RustyNumber wrote: Is there a size comparison anywhere for the new mediaeval foot knights against... Popular generic fantasy foot knights?
I imagine they'll be in scale with the rest of the range https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/barons-war. So too small if you want to fit them in with GWAOS / Fantasy stuff, but good if you have other historicals or LotR.
RustyNumber wrote: Is there a size comparison anywhere for the new mediaeval foot knights against... Popular generic fantasy foot knights?
I imagine they'll be in scale with the rest of the range https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/barons-war. So too small if you want to fit them in with GWAOS / Fantasy stuff, but good if you have other historicals or LotR.
Dang, thought they might be competing with GW for Bretonnians...
RustyNumber wrote: Is there a size comparison anywhere for the new mediaeval foot knights against... Popular generic fantasy foot knights?
I imagine they'll be in scale with the rest of the range https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/barons-war. So too small if you want to fit them in with GWAOS / Fantasy stuff, but good if you have other historicals or LotR.
Dang, thought they might be competing with GW for Bretonnians...
Yeah, despite the fact that fantasy is very frequently just a historical setting (in terms of technology, armaments, etc.), miniature companies have decided that never shall the twain meet.
My conclusion is that the historical market must be so large that it makes more sense to produce kits already produced in metal and plastic by other historical companies rather than produce something in a scale where they would be compatible with fantasy miniatures.
WGA could literally produce knights at half the cost of the plastic fantasy competition, but it just must not be worth it.
Thankfully there are a bunch of indie 3d mini sculptors who compete directly with GW for fantasy figures and getting them printed from Etsy shops is usually like 60-70% the cost of buying discounted GW.
RustyNumber wrote: Is there a size comparison anywhere for the new mediaeval foot knights against... Popular generic fantasy foot knights?
I imagine they'll be in scale with the rest of the range https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/barons-war. So too small if you want to fit them in with GWAOS / Fantasy stuff, but good if you have other historicals or LotR.
Our Knights are in scale with our other historicals like the Conquistadors, Late Romans, and Goths all of which are used by lots of people for fantasy. Here's the Conquistadors someone built alongside some WFB:
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RustyNumber wrote: Is there a size comparison anywhere for the new mediaeval foot knights against... Popular generic fantasy foot knights?
I imagine they'll be in scale with the rest of the range https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/barons-war. So too small if you want to fit them in with GWAOS / Fantasy stuff, but good if you have other historicals or LotR.
Our Knights are in scale with our other historicals like the Conquistadors, Late Romans, and Goths all of which are used by lots of people for fantasy. Here's the Conquistadors someone built alongside some WFB:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Keep in mind that Warhammer Fantasy tend to be 28mm heroic which just means they are the same height as regular 28mm figures but with more grotesque proportions (short and squat)
I'd point out those GW models are from the start of 6th Edition so 24 years ago, and GW models have largely grown since. But then the models GW is selling for the Old World are from that era, so I guess it balances out. Haha.
Graham from Grey For Now Games talks to us about the amazing new terrain for Guards Of Traitor’s Toll coming from Sarissa Precision for this new game. This is the first time that this terrain has been seen here at Salute 2024! It looks ace AND the miniatures from Wargames Atlantic.
looks like those those guards and city folk will be a must buy (hopefully i can blend in the Archon Woodhaven minis too)
I remember you saying Wargames Atlantic were making plastics for another company’s game, but that you couldn’t say anything about who. Dropfleet Commander just revealed some new plastic ship sprues coming out later this year—are they made by you?
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I remember you saying Wargames Atlantic were making plastics for another company’s game, but that you couldn’t say anything about who. Dropfleet Commander just revealed some new plastic ship sprues coming out later this year—are they made by you?
Yea those 100% look like the most recent WGA sprues, I have WW1 british in my hands right now. Same injection port, same channels, same part number panels
Woo hoo! People have been crying out for civilians of all sorts and these guys can work for all sorts of genres and settings from ancients to the grim darkness of the far future.
Eilif wrote: I'll be voting for walkers. This is essentially an imperial guard army kickstarter and if the vehicle (which I was never impressed by) is not to be, then a not-Sentinel is the most sensible choice.
Why would something that already has acceptable quality kits on the market (granted, overpriced and no longer consistent with the Damned's aesthetic) be the most sensible choice over a not-Chimera, not-Aurox, or not-Taurox transport (none of which has a good-looking plastic kit) or a not-Leman-Russ (barely acceptable plastic kit) or not-Carnodon (resin only) tank? I think WA would really struggle to make a walker look better for the Damned than the old sentinels, while there is massive scope for improvement in transports and tanks.
The only real argument I can see for a walker is that as a smaller vehicle it might be possible to squeeze in onto one sprue.
The Roman civilians aren't what I think of when I think of civilians. They're more of a rabble / peasants-with-pitchforks style mob.
Since they're practically non-existent, I guess the consensus is that plastic unarmed civilians wouldn't sell, and perhaps that's true - I have no business sense about these things. I can find some metal unarmed sci-fi civilians who are basically strolling about conducting their business. It still strikes me as a bit odd that unarmed civvies panicking and running in terror seem not to exist at all.
Is that because they would come too close to showing the real horrors and costs of war? I'm just talking about functionaries running away with terrified expressions, not families being blown apart.
Speaking of which, I used to use this heroclix mini (minus the #15 post) in Mars Attacks games whenever a soldier got blasted by a Martian ray gun, substituting it for the slain soldier figure for about a turn before removing it:
It added a thematically apt cinematic flair to the game. It's also about as far as I'd want to take a literal depiction of violence on the tabletop, but in the tongue-in-cheek context of Mars Attacks, where Martian laser weapons instantly and bloodlessly reduce people to cartoony skeletons, it was fun.
(The actual figure is supposed to depict the moment Dr. Manhattan got atomized in an experiment, after which he reassembled his atoms and gained godlike powers. It's a pretty unusual subject for a heroclix figure, but I guess it was included in their Watchmen releases because it's an iconic moment in the original comics.)
Is that because they would come too close to showing the real horrors and costs of war? I'm just talking about functionaries running away with terrified expressions, not families being blown apart.
I'm pretty sure there just isn't much of a market, they don't really have much place in a war game, unless it'ssome sort of theme scenarioinvolving a seige or something. So you are looking at diorama makers and rpg players, who would need a box at most. That said, Archon have a city folk pack with a bunch of medieval style civvies, and reaper has some in Bones as well. The Perrys (amongst others) also do civilians. But all of the above are more stolling about, not running in panic.
Dawnbringer wrote: . I'm pretty sure there just isn't much of a market, they don't really have much place in a war game, unless it'ssome sort of theme scenarioinvolving a seige or something. So you are looking at diorama makers and rpg players, who would need a box at most. That said, Archon have a city folk pack with a bunch of medieval style civvies, and reaper has some in Bones as well. The Perrys (amongst others) also do civilians. But all of the above are more stolling about, not running in panic.
I primarily collect sci-fi miniatures, Dawnbringer, so I wasn't aware of these civilian options for fantasy. It's still interesting to me that fleeing civilians seem not to be a thing, regardless of genre. It's not hard to imagine scenarios where protecting them / guiding them to safety could be primary or secondary mission objectives, or where their presence as an unpredictable A.I. faction could complicate things. There are plenty of minor civilian characters who desperately navigate battlefields in 40K fiction, after all.
I'm not arguing that terrified civvies should be present in every battle, or even in most battles. But they're not even present as an occasional element.
Mostly they appeal to me as dioramic hints at a larger, more complex universe than the immediate Us / Them conflict of the battlefield.
Talking Banana wrote: The Roman civilians aren't what I think of when I think of civilians. They're more of a rabble / peasants-with-pitchforks style mob.
I'm guessing they've been mainly been produced to go with Footsore's Gangs of Rome, hence being armed.
Caballero/Reconquer miniatures have a “fleeing villagers” set, which is medieval. It’s only 6 minis, which I have, but they’re only available through Etsy/home printing? I could be wrong.
Talking Banana wrote: The Roman civilians aren't what I think of when I think of civilians. They're more of a rabble / peasants-with-pitchforks style mob
I'm guessing they've been mainly been produced to go with Footsore's Gangs of Rome, hence being armed.
Yes, that's right. They were sculpted for Gangs of Rome, but Wargames Atlantic could not sell them separately until the Gangs of Rome kickstarter was fulfilled. It's similar to how WGA sculpted the WWII German sentries and British WWII SAS & Commandos for the 02 Hundred Hours Starter and expansion boxes, and now sell said figures separately.
We've also had Rob Macfarlane go back to the drawing board for The Damned vehicle. This is what he's been pulling together:The basic footprint of the vehicle matches closely to a Games Workshop Warhammer 40,000 Chimera to give you an idea of the size. Let us know in the poll how you like this and of course feel free to leave comments below.
Rob showed these as silhouettes because he didn't want to distract with an unfinished look as the detail and gribbles haven't been added yet but the basic vehicle is roughed out and he has a basic plan for breaking out the parts on the frames.
Once we have a sense of what you think of this we will be able to give a better answer to the ship date. 11 sets all at once is a massive undertaking (we don't know if anyone has ever done this many hard plastic sets in one release?) and we're trying to "eat the elephant" one bite at a time while making sure each and every Damned set is fabulous. Sorry it's taking longer than we estimated! We're focused on getting through the rest of the to do list as quickly as possible.
That's pretty neat. My only comment would be to make the Technical platform higher or the top of the Mortis slightly lower so that the barrel of the turret can clear the roof/angle down and shot what is in front of the vehicle. The current image appears to show the turret below the roofline.
Noting this is only from the outline so the final product might look much better or worse when we see it - I feel this is a big improvement on the original vehicle design so far. My main comment would be that it looks a bit front heavy, especially on the open backed variants. It might be worthwhile to move up the front wheels a bit, or make it an 8 wheeler, or perhaps move all 6 wheels forwards a bit since the rear wheels are basically at the very edge of the design.
ScarletRose wrote: It looks good so far, I'm a little sorry I didn't pick one up with the infantry pledge. I'll have to wait for retail.
You can still add to your pledge. Not saying you should. but you can if you do want one and dont want to wait for retail. You can even adjust what you have currently bought and change something to the vehicle if you wanted to.
It looks more like the lovechild of a hilux technical and a Fuchs to me
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPz_Fuchs
It's kinda difficult to judge just with the silhouette but there is something a bit off, particularly with the two open-top versions as Kurhanik said - either adjusting the wheel position or going for 8 wheels (more like a BTR?) might help.
Edit: just reflecting on it and thinking about the Stalwart vs Fuchs, if it's supposed to be chimera sized I think it probably just needs bigger wheels mounted slightly differently. Currently it probably is closer to the Stalwart but I think it would work better if the wheel layout was more like the Fuchs. Hope that makes sense.
The silhouette is looking promising. The open-top versions feel a little front heavy. I'd be inclined to shuffle the wheels forward a little on the chassis.
The weapons platform is fine for an anti-air role. An option to instead mount the weapon as a turret on the closed hull version would be cool.
Any of those silhouettes look better to me than the half track. I thought I didn't need any vehicles, but a not-Chimera is actually quite intriguing and perhaps could also be a civilian vehicle. Looking forward to more details.
With the change in design of the vehicle, do we know what the new release date of the 'Damned' will be?
I assume it is no longer May 2024, as scheduled.
Is it being pushed out by 2-3 Months or more?
modelhunter wrote: With the change in design of the vehicle, do we know what the new release date of the 'Damned' will be?
I assume it is no longer May 2024, as scheduled.
Is it being pushed out by 2-3 Months or more?
Nothing has been formally said yet, except that re-doing the vehicle designs would require more time
I don't recall an exact timeline for the medieval sets, but it's great to see this second kit a nice way into development already. Don't think I'll buy any until all/most kits are released for full kitbashing potential, but will certainly buy a bunch when they are!
Hadn't considered melee weapons for these, but they'd actually make nice bandits too with those (maybe some clubs alongside the axe).
If these are the Levy for the Barons War game I think the scale will be quite different. Fireforge are what I consider heroic scale whereas the plastics they are producing for the Barons War range have been scaled to fit the existing metals which are more realistically proportioned in comparison.
RedRowan wrote: If these are the Levy for the Barons War game I think the scale will be quite different. Fireforge are what I consider heroic scale whereas the plastics they are producing for the Barons War range have been scaled to fit the existing metals which are more realistically proportioned in comparison.
Steve
FF Northmen peasants are about half head taller than usual Frostgrave models (which I think are what Baron's ones size is), and I had no problems using Frostgrave arms on them. With FF Northmen soldiers it would be not possible as they are a head taller than Frostgrave ones.
Found two size comparison, one showing GW new zombies and FF zombies, and other showing FF zombies and peasants together with Frostgrave wizard and old FF historical (their new historicals are same scale as fantasy).
Definitely in for that. More revolting peasants the better.
I wonder if the Fireforge peasant arms will work with them? Or vice-versa, just so one has more improvised weapon peasants as opposed to (kinda) properly equipped levy troops.
EDIT: Should have finished reading the thread before posting. The FF & Frostgrave comparison is useful, thanks. Any currently available Baron's War minis in a comparison shot?
In a very short while a lot of folks will be receiving their Foot Knights and you'll be able to see some proper size comparisons. These were sculpted by our own Rob Macfarlane (who also did the Dark Age Irish, Conquistadors, German Sentries, SAS, BEF, Goths, and Romans) and they should be all fairly compatible.
We're now getting the Sergeants and Levy into file prep/layout so they should be along fairly soon.
Mounted Knights and Mounted Sergeants are going through some last design work.
Conquistador Cavalry is in file prep to see what will fit on the layout.
Sneakfeet, Werewolves, and two super secret sets are in tooling along with a few other things.
Btw, I don't remember: which sprue includes the free Les Grognards Command + heavy weapons on the Damned crowdfunding? Im considering changing to one for the aditional standards
I don't remember any of them including an Les Grogs command sprue, but i think it was available as one of your picks for the free sprues that were unlocked from the stretch goals (just checked and it is there to pick)
you should just be able to manage your pledge and switch one (or more) of the sprues you've currently chosen for the Les Grogs one
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I don't remember any of them including an Les Grogs command sprue, but i think it was available as one of your picks for the free sprues that were unlocked from the stretch goals (just checked and it is there to pick)
you should just be able to manage your pledge and switch one (or more) of the sprues you've currently chosen for the Les Grogs one
Yeah, I know. Was asking because that kit has two radically diferent sprues, and what you get may vary a lot depending on which one is the free adition refering to.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I don't remember any of them including an Les Grogs command sprue, but i think it was available as one of your picks for the free sprues that were unlocked from the stretch goals (just checked and it is there to pick)
you should just be able to manage your pledge and switch one (or more) of the sprues you've currently chosen for the Les Grogs one
Yeah, I know. Was asking because that kit has two radically diferent sprues, and what you get may vary a lot depending on which one is the free adition refering to.
Not sure what you mean, Grognards have 3 sprues: Infantry, Command+Heavy, and Heads. Each can be chosen individually under the Damned free sprue options.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I don't remember any of them including an Les Grogs command sprue, but i think it was available as one of your picks for the free sprues that were unlocked from the stretch goals (just checked and it is there to pick)
you should just be able to manage your pledge and switch one (or more) of the sprues you've currently chosen for the Les Grogs one
Yeah, I know. Was asking because that kit has two radically diferent sprues, and what you get may vary a lot depending on which one is the free adition refering to.
Not sure what you mean, Grognards have 3 sprues: Infantry, Command+Heavy, and Heads. Each can be chosen individually under the Damned free sprue options.
Yes, but what do you get with the Command+Heavy option? Im asking cos that kit actually has 2 diferent sprues, not 2 identical ones.
Garrac wrote: Yes, but what do you get with the Command+Heavy option? Im asking cos that kit actually has 2 diferent sprues, not 2 identical ones.
The kit has 3 Command+Heavy sprues and 2 Head sprues, so it's pretty clear which you get if you pick Command+Heavy and which you get if you pick Heads in your reward options.
New tiers are now live, providing options for pledging towards what you want. We are Also increasing the number of sets released per month to 19, up from 11 (12 after the introduction of Age of Chivalry)
There is also a new Centurion tier which will get you all 19 file sets per month.
Also:
Heraldic shields have been released alongside further previews for May Tribes members.
Sneak peak seems to be sci-fi ninja, assuming everything is from the same kit. Possibly sci-fi samurai, sci-fi Okinawan street-gang, or whatever, of course.
I would quite like some sci-fi ninja, but I'm not a fan of what we see in the preview. Generic sci-fi panel lines are bland and should be avoided, especially on costume. Weapons look too primitive for the figure; I feel that ninja should adapt to the times, they aren't meant to be tradition-bound types. If it's actually a cyberpunky street-gang, then that's a bit different. Some cruder weapons would work well then.
I suspect that sci-fi ninja will sell best if they come with power-swords, arm-blades, crystal pistols, combination SMGs, claws, anti-materiel rifles, and skull masks as options.
We got stiuplated dates on the Damned stuff for fulfillment before the end of the year, but I'll wait if WGA itself wants to report it with mroe detail here.
These are 28mm, not 25mm. They are just more realistically proportioned in comparison to other ranges. Have to remember these have been specifically designed to fit in with the existing Barons War metal range which I think they do very well.
RedRowan wrote: These are 28mm, not 25mm. They are just more realistically proportioned in comparison to other ranges. Have to remember these have been specifically designed to fit in with the existing Barons War metal range which I think they do very well.
Steve
I think they are just tall 25's
Whatever height they are, they are clearly smaller than even well established medieval ranges like the Perry's. Call them whatever you want, doesn't change the unfortunate truth that they will not scale well with anything outside of whatever little metals range they are apparently meant to compliment.
They're 28mm to the eyes like the rest of our historicals. Sometimes comparing unpainted plastic to painted models can throw it off a bit.
Here's a comparison shot with Perry - Foot Knight - Oathmark - and our Conquistadors
@WGA - having that size comparison made me think about your incoming werewolves - are they bigger than conquistadors (hopefully) to make them hulking beasts like ones from Underworlds movie?
Wargames Atlantic wrote: They're 28mm to the eyes like the rest of our historicals. Sometimes comparing unpainted plastic to painted models can throw it off a bit.
Sorry about that; I thought I was helping (not hindering)
Wargames Atlantic wrote: They're 28mm to the eyes like the rest of our historicals. Sometimes comparing unpainted plastic to painted models can throw it off a bit.
Here's a comparison shot with Perry - Foot Knight - Oathmark - and our Conquistadors
Wargames Atlantic wrote: They're 28mm to the eyes like the rest of our historicals. Sometimes comparing unpainted plastic to painted models can throw it off a bit.
Sorry about that; I thought I was helping (not hindering)
Appreciate your pictures. They look great. I only ordered a sprue of foot knights but seeing your pics makes me want more
Wargames Atlantic wrote: They're 28mm to the eyes like the rest of our historicals. Sometimes comparing unpainted plastic to painted models can throw it off a bit.
Sorry about that; I thought I was helping (not hindering)
Ha no worries! They're great pics. I just think people jumped to the wrong conclusions.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: They're 28mm to the eyes like the rest of our historicals. Sometimes comparing unpainted plastic to painted models can throw it off a bit.
Sorry about that; I thought I was helping (not hindering)
Ha no worries! They're great pics. I just think people jumped to the wrong conclusions.
I love that the image of the guy from Office Space who created the "Jump to Conclusions" game was removed because:
Sorry, this image has been deleted or removed for the following reason: Image is not related to wargaming
Got some sprues in today from Mcdougals... The Romans, the knights and the quar amongst some others. I got a couple chariots and light horses... so made a chariot that is not skeletal. A goth and a fire forge ALMUGHAVAR for crew...
I'm still having fun with the Foot Knight box. Looks like I've already got a new Big Fantasy Epic character in mind
Yes, the horns are inspired by Marvel's Daredevil
I'm still figuring out what to do with the shield, as I'm not 100% confident I can paint a matching coat of arms more than once. I'll likely sculpt one and do a push mold. Especially since I'm considering a third pose for him.
Guys, can you get WGA textured bases in your countries? I ask because for some reason every latest WGA release is available in my country's retail but those bases.
I just read the updated schedule on the Damned crowd funding. No complaints on the dates but the text on the schedule was really difficult to read on mobile. Just an FYI. I just wish life would calm down and let me buy some kits.
Shadow Walker wrote: Guys, can you get WGA textured bases in your countries? I ask because for some reason every latest WGA release is available in my country's retail but those bases.
I don't think they're available yet as they were part of the kickstarter.
Shadow Walker wrote: Guys, can you get WGA textured bases in your countries? I ask because for some reason every latest WGA release is available in my country's retail but those bases.
I don't think they're available yet as they were part of the kickstarter.
lord_blackfang wrote: Have you tried asking the shops? Wargamer.pl is pretty responsive on facebook.
I did ask one that I usually buy from, and which has all WGA products but to my surprise they said that they have no plans for textured bases. I will email Wargamer and see what they answer is, thanks
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I'd guess they already have other (GW?) textured bases and may anticipate a better return on them, so why stock another very similar products
You might be right, although textured ones they stock are resin. Also they have WGA dual use bases (intended for puddle bases models) so textured ones are the only WGA product they do not stock.
Easy E wrote: @Smokestack- That sounds like a good plan. I might need to do that to finally make my Persian Scythed Chariots.
The Chariots are pretty nice. They dont have reins like the victrix one I got does... but then again I never actually assembled that one...
I bought 2 sprues from McDougals... I assembled the 2nd one today... I think I am gonna put together an Irish/Goth fantasy barbarian group for use in RPGs...
Anyone else messing with the Quar stuff? I'm excited to see what's next, got one side of the plastics build. They're great little kits. I also got the specialists and they are my first Siocast minis... that stuff sucks total ass, huh? I went to the Zombiesmith site and grabbed a handful of the metal figures, any idea when we'll see more rules or releases?
I still want to see how the plastic Quar look with Kroot heads, but my hobby budget currently won't allow for it. Plus I still have a ton of stuff to paint.
This got us thinking...let's make TWO plastic sets!
So here's the plan. We'll take the doggos, the unarmored bodies, the unarmored arms, and open-faced helms and create a true Conquistador Cavalry set. BUT...we will take the armored bodies, armored arms, full helmets, and the armored horse parts to create more traditional European cavalry of the period.
We'll give pre-production order folks the option for which they'd like to receive and produce both sets at once.
Aww man, I was counting on using the more traditional conquistador parts with the armored bodies. Like I did with my sprue of the infantry version. I want dogs, too but I want the armor.
Anyone any idea what Wargames Atlantic are doing for The Last War? I'm 50/50 on getting a WA Great War box or two or hanging tight if they're doing a box with extra gubbins.
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Ancient Otter wrote: Anyone any idea what Wargames Atlantic are doing for The Last War? I'm 50/50 on getting a WA Great War box or two or hanging tight if they're doing a box with extra gubbins.
Gah, if I used a search I would found the answer from Wargames Atlantic themselves:
"Next up will be The Last War in partnership with Will Rahman Daultrey which will feature his highly popular Forbidden Psalm: The Last War rules and our plastic WW1 figures along with all the things you need to play the game including dice and tokens. We plan to release the game for Salute in April"
Ancient Otter wrote: Anyone any idea what Wargames Atlantic are doing for The Last War? I'm 50/50 on getting a WA Great War box or two or hanging tight if they're doing a box with extra gubbins.
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Ancient Otter wrote: Anyone any idea what Wargames Atlantic are doing for The Last War? I'm 50/50 on getting a WA Great War box or two or hanging tight if they're doing a box with extra gubbins.
Gah, if I used a search I would found the answer from Wargames Atlantic themselves:
"Next up will be The Last War in partnership with Will Rahman Daultrey which will feature his highly popular Forbidden Psalm: The Last War rules and our plastic WW1 figures along with all the things you need to play the game including dice and tokens. We plan to release the game for Salute in April"
Scratch that release date I guess.
Delayed because we're adding a unique frame of parts to this as well!
Wargames Atlantic wrote: They're 28mm to the eyes like the rest of our historicals. Sometimes comparing unpainted plastic to painted models can throw it off a bit.
Here's a comparison shot with Perry - Foot Knight - Oathmark - and our Conquistadors
That's actually a darn good size. Halfway between Perry and Oathmark for the knights is a nice sweet spot.
The Conquistadores are a bit chunkier than any of those, but do appear to be very well suited for Empire or Mordheim use and it's not as though they're going to be mixed in the same unit with Medieval foot knights.
I'm really curious about the werewolves. If I knew they were this close to being released, I would have held back the werewolf reveal in my project and used these instead of Reaper
KidCthulhu wrote: I'm really curious about the werewolves. If I knew they were this close to being released, I would have held back the werewolf reveal in my project and used these instead of Reaper
I like the werewolves but wish they were larger. I will get a box because hard plastic werewolves are awesome, but I have a ton of Wrath of kings and confrontation wolfen. Plus etsy and reaper and Cadwallon. Also Mantic and some Russian ones from a company like tehnolog but wasnt...
I wish these would have been the size of their ogres which would have still been on the smaller side but would have matched up better.
The halfling snipers look cool, but not a set I need or want. Would like Halfling cavalry or female halflings though.
Shadow Walker wrote: I would like to see size comparison of werewolves with other WGA models because so far they seem to be not much larger than those ratlings.
Agreed that was my thoughts too. I know these are in a more crouched stance but they look only slightly taller that the halfling bodies on the ratling sprue.
Shadow Walker wrote: I would like to see size comparison of werewolves with other WGA models because so far they seem to be not much larger than those ratlings.
Agreed that was my thoughts too. I know these are in a more crouched stance but they look only slightly taller that the halfling bodies on the ratling sprue.
So now we need to hope that those ratllings are really big, otherwise werewolves would be Frostgrave sized at best. I hope that my eyes are cheating me though.
Shadow Walker wrote: I would like to see size comparison of werewolves with other WGA models because so far they seem to be not much larger than those ratlings.
Agreed that was my thoughts too. I know these are in a more crouched stance but they look only slightly taller that the halfling bodies on the ratling sprue.
So now we need to hope that those ratllings are really big, otherwise werewolves would be Frostgrave sized at best. I hope that my eyes are cheating me though.
I don't have a dog in the fight, but I also agree that barely-man-sized werewolves would have little interest to me. That said, I have some confrontation Werewolves and I wouldn't want them to be that large either. Will be interested to see how they size up.
I actually like more human sized werewolves. I've never got on with the idea that when lycanthropes change they suddenly become 8 feet tall and double in mass. By keeping them in scale with the other WA ranges it makes it easier to kitbash if you want armed werewolves as well.
I think the sneakfeet look pretty chonky - perhaps a bit bigger than the WA fantasy halflings, more in line with citadel ratlings, and that's making the werewolves seem smaller than they are.
pgmason wrote: I actually like more human sized werewolves. I've never got on with the idea that when lycanthropes change they suddenly become 8 feet tall and double in mass. By keeping them in scale with the other WA ranges it makes it easier to kitbash if you want armed werewolves as well.
I think the sneakfeet look pretty chonky - perhaps a bit bigger than the WA fantasy halflings, more in line with citadel ratlings, and that's making the werewolves seem smaller than they are.
For me, this is a result of Werewolf the Apocalypse. Which was my first and favorite gaming experience with were-wolves. In that the werewolves are depicted as the 9' tall killing machines and though I dont think there is anything official in the books, the internet has it at a 50% size increase when in Crinos form. So a 6' man would be a 9' tall Hybrid man-wolf.
We are actually playing a mixed OWoD game right now... (with a mage, a vampire, a promethean a Corax and my Black Fury). So to me I always have werewolves in that size mentally. In d&d 3.5 the werewolves were man-sized but there was a were-wolf lord... (not a guy who rules over were-wolves but more a "dire-wolf, were-wolf" that is large or ogre sized.
My ideal werewolves are ones from the Underworld series. Here is a pic from the third movie when Lucian meets original werewolves. Actor's height is supposed to be 178cm.
Smokestack wrote: For me, this is a result of Werewolf the Apocalypse. Which was my first and favorite gaming experience with were-wolves. In that the werewolves are depicted as the 9' tall killing machines and though I dont think there is anything official in the books, the internet has it at a 50% size increase when in Crinos form. So a 6' man would be a 9' tall Hybrid man-wolf.
Same; I have a 25mm scale 1990's Ral Partha werewolf from the official licensed line and she towers over many GW miniatures. At the time, she was twice as a tall as a regular human mini from that range.
Then Dog Soldiers and Confrontation Wolfen entered the zeitgeist. So people expect gigantic werewolves now, I guess?
I really want to get a closer look at these upcoming werewolves as even at that size, I can happily find uses for them.
I'm happy with wolf-men that have around the same mass as in human / wolf form (a large wolf is about the same weight as an average person, 70 kg or so). I would have preferred it if they were a bit more lean and 'stretched out', and if at least some of them were more horizontal (running ape posture rather than crouching humanoid), but I think I'm going to be getting some.
However, I rather question how many people want twenty (or however many come in a box) man-sized werewolves. I would suspect that a smaller number of larger ones would sell better, or a mixture of humanoid ones and full-wolf (or at least close to wolf) form.
However, I rather question how many people want twenty (or however many come in a box) man-sized werewolves. I would suspect that a smaller number of larger ones would sell better, or a mixture of humanoid ones and full-wolf (or at least close to wolf) form.
Well, I did suggest here (a year ago?) to WGA a box that would allow for both normal wolves and werewolves to be built. That way it could be useful also for those that want normal sized wolves in multiples.
However, I rather question how many people want twenty (or however many come in a box) man-sized werewolves. I would suspect that a smaller number of larger ones would sell better, or a mixture of humanoid ones and full-wolf (or at least close to wolf) form.
Both of these kits are also in danger of being underwhelming in the amount of options, each only gets half a sprue so you're gonna get a box of 6 or 8 copies of one half sized sprue, that's not great in this day and age.
KidCthulhu wrote: Could this be the start of occasional smaller, more niche unit boxes for WGA with less models and a smaller price point?
Like two sprues per box = 8 models (using those two shown sprues example)? Could be a nice surprise for those that want some for skirmish games instead rank&file.
The original halflings were on the half sprue and came 40 to a box. They had a good amount of options. I think the afghans are half sprues too.
Edit: looking at the sprues at Mcdougals. The skeletons, grognards, raumjagers and space dwarves are half sprues too. I didn’t go past page 1 so I am sure there are more. I don’t mind the half sprues especially if we get 2 kits (like the werewolves and ratlings ) released at the same time.
The other issue with the small werewolves is that with normal fantasy figures (the majority of which are 32mm to the eyes), they will look even smaller since they appear to be 28mm to the eyes scale.
Werewolves should be monstrous..A typical way to convey the horror of a werewolf is through making it appear larger and stronger than an average human.
But whatever, it is their money on the line. They can make undersized wolves if they want.
Gallahad wrote: The other issue with the small werewolves is that with normal fantasy figures (the majority of which are 32mm to the eyes), they will look even smaller since they appear to be 28mm to the eyes scale.
Werewolves should be monstrous..A typical way to convey the horror of a werewolf is through making it appear larger and stronger than an average human.
But whatever, it is their money on the line. They can make undersized wolves if they want.
Yeah, as much as I wanted them, if they really are as small as they appear to my eyes then there is no point of buying them, when even my zombies and peasants (Fireforge ones) will tower over them.
Gallahad wrote: The other issue with the small werewolves is that with normal fantasy figures (the majority of which are 32mm to the eyes), they will look even smaller since they appear to be 28mm to the eyes scale.
Werewolves should be monstrous..A typical way to convey the horror of a werewolf is through making it appear larger and stronger than an average human.
But whatever, it is their money on the line. They can make undersized wolves if they want.
Yeah, as much as I wanted them, if they really are as small as they appear to my eyes then there is no point of buying them, when even my zombies and peasants (Fireforge ones) will tower over them.
I'm in the same boat. Was going to buy them, but they've moved off the list.
Maybe they would be useful as feral Skaven, or Wererats or something with a head swap?
I still have a few dozen Confrontation Wolfen, Hordes Tharn and Skinwalkers and Wrath of Kings not-Wolfen, having man-sized werewolves fills a better void in my collection than larger monstrous werewolves would have. Reaper and Mantic also have ogre sized werewolves. I'm not sure if larger werewolves would have sold better for WGA, but I feel like there's plenty of ogre-sized models out there already and I like finally having a smaller option.
Seems like a good opportunity for having a monstrous Alpha werewolf as the Big Bad (pun intended) and his village of turned lesser werewolves for our plucky heroes to fight against.
Kalamadea wrote: Seems like a good opportunity for having a monstrous Alpha werewolf as the Big Bad (pun intended) and his village of turned lesser werewolves for our plucky heroes to fight against.
Kalamadea wrote: Reaper and Mantic also have ogre sized werewolves.
They are not hard plastic. Also we are not talking about ogre sized creatures, which usually are at least 2,5 - 3 metres tall. Bigger than avarage man means for me 190 - 210 cm max. Main problem is that they will be tiny unless your collection is Frostgrave/most historicals sized.
Well, personally I would prefer the ogre-sized. But larger than man-sized would be good too.
I have some rebased hero clix. And there was a Warcraft board game that had some man-sized werewolves. Here are a couple pics. There is also the Raging heroes femme werewolves (there are 4 varieties) and the prepainted plastic confrontation ones.. and the Tehnolog (not tehnolog but cant remember the company) werewolf (army man plastic)
Smokestack wrote: Well, personally I would prefer the ogre-sized. But larger than man-sized would be good too.
I have some rebased hero clix. And there was a Warcraft board game that had some man-sized werewolves. Here are a couple pics. There is also the Raging heroes femme werewolves (there are 4 varieties) and the prepainted plastic confrontation ones.. and the Tehnolog (not tehnolog but cant remember the company) werewolf (army man plastic)
Thanks for that comparison shot. Very useful information. You're correct that Tehnolog is the company for the guy at the far right.
I think that the Confrontation size is kind of my ideal. I've got a unit of 6 of the pre-painted ones that I slightly touched up the paint on, dipped and put on 40mm squares. They've been great fillers for several fantasy armies over the years and my only regret is that I had 12 and sold 6 of them.
That said, for a smaller skirmish game, I can see the value of something in between 28mm and 40mm. I think the disconnect is that I (and other folks I imagine) think of werewolves as being larger creatures than the Gnolls and Ratmen that are often closer to man-height.
I think the disconnect is that I (and other folks I imagine) think of werewolves as being larger creatures than the Gnolls and Ratmen that are often closer to man-height.
Aren't gnolls described as 2 metres tall? I may be wrong about that but I think I read it somewhere.
I think the disconnect is that I (and other folks I imagine) think of werewolves as being larger creatures than the Gnolls and Ratmen that are often closer to man-height.
Aren't gnolls described as 2 metres tall? I may be wrong about that but I think I read it somewhere.
Google says "In Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition, the average gnoll is between 7'0" and 7'6" (2.1–2.3 m) tall." "In Pathfinder 2e, gnolls are typically between 6 and 7 feet tall, but women are usually a head taller than men and are also stronger."
@Eilif I bought a ton of the confrontation prepaints when miniature market kept having them on sale. So have maybe 50? Same with the Wrath of Kings Skorza so have a ton of those as well. The female confrontation prepaints dont look as good but I have a bunch too.
I think the disconnect is that I (and other folks I imagine) think of werewolves as being larger creatures than the Gnolls and Ratmen that are often closer to man-height.
Aren't gnolls described as 2 metres tall? I may be wrong about that but I think I read it somewhere.
Google says "In Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition, the average gnoll is between 7'0" and 7'6" (2.1–2.3 m) tall." "In Pathfinder 2e, gnolls are typically between 6 and 7 feet tall, but women are usually a head taller than men and are also stronger."
@Eilif I bought a ton of the confrontation prepaints when miniature market kept having them on sale. So have maybe 50? Same with the Wrath of Kings Skorza so have a ton of those as well. The female confrontation prepaints dont look as good but I have a bunch too.
I think you're right about Gnolls. I can accept them being man height, but ideally they're at least somewhat taller. In my head they're just one of many 6-8 foot monsters that an adventuring warband might encounter. Gnolls, Orcs, Small Ogres, werewolves, etc, etc....
Great score with the pre-paints! I got a few from the MM sale but should have bought a few more. What are the Female Confrontation prepaints?
As it happens I was just rebase/repainting one of those starter set hills/altar pieces this weekend along with some other pieces.
I’m hoping the plastic werewolves will be at least a bit bulkier than the average WA historical or Death Fields mini, but if not I will still use them as alien mercenaries or something.
At the very least I hope they look capable of holding off a German Shepherd for a good minute or two.
This pic is from google but there was 2 or 3 different sets... Which were the same sculpts but different paint schemes. I never liked the bikini outfits on them.
Oh gawd, those. I bought some because I wanted to have all the werewolf types, but they’re called Vestals and obviously sculpted for maximum yiff, so I was always too embarrassed to play with them.
Scaled the werewolf sprue exactly to a WGA ww2 german sprue (because who else are you gonna compare werewolves to) by matching outer frame size
It's not bad, looks like a good match for classic movie werewolves to me. Y'know, back when they were dudes in costume, not CGI.
Thanks for that. Not as bad as it could be, but as it's shown with a historical, it's going to seem even smaller than pictured placed next to their fantasy and sci Fi figures.
Still, if you need some werewolves these will be cheap and you could always base them taller (on a rock maybe...) to make them seem more intimidating.
It's WG's loss. Vote-schmote, the mutation sprue (better yet, two or more completely different ones) would sell. Fan votes are just polls, often not very accurate ones. They can still do a mutation sprue anytime they please. And with both human damned and beastman troops coming out, there would be plenty of immediate use for them, not to mention kitbashing with other companies' stuff.
I think the success of getting a lot of kits funded has worked against things like the mutation sprue. As they seem to be a bit overwhelmed with the number and with things like the vehicle. Had only a couple kits been funded I bet slipping in the mutation sprue would have been easy and they would have done it as a bonus.
I personally hope that the campaign is a big success for them as I hope they do a fantasy gamefound at some point. My dream campaign? A full halfling army. Artillery, cavalry, heroes, monstrous beasts, etc etc.
Yeah. I have their desert elves. They are nice, but resin. A full hard plastic army would definitely be preferable. And TT Combat's haflings are cute but more comical than WA's..
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I'd vote for a mutation sprue. I could have sworn it was unlocked with the Darned, hopefully it will come.
update # 25
We have a winner for the $250K unlock!
With over 1300 of you voting, we have a very clear winner: The Damned Heavy Infantry!
This will be six figures/frame with four in the box for 24. Lots more options to come on top of what's been shown so far.
And also - with a strong showing at #2 the Gene-Edited Beasty Warriors will be unlocked at $270K! Just a couple days left - let's get to those unlocks!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mutation sprue came in last in one of the last polls before the campaign ended.
As a bit of feedback: we have a lot of cancelled units and ideas on the Damned project. Mutants, armoured troops, vehicle variants, 5th command squad model... I think it would be cool to at least get some of these as free stl archives. Also, still can't like the damned one-handed pistols for the love of my life XD
Regarding mutant bits, last year Lord Blackfang posted a WGA image for a kickstarter they were assisting with. If that sprue came to fruition it would provide some horns for kitbashing mutants.
The next two release after this will be two sets that we have never previewed or discussed. Truly secret. One T1 is finished, the other will be done tomorrow.
Getting an oddly Lovecraft-ghouls vibe from the box-art werewolves. We could really do with some Cthulhu mythos monsters making it into hard plastic some time. It's a very popular setting for RPGs and boardgames, so there should be a market, and it's most public domain so no worries about licensing / copyright.
Getting an oddly Lovecraft-ghouls vibe from the box-art werewolves. We could really do with some Cthulhu mythos monsters making it into hard plastic some time. It's a very popular setting for RPGs and boardgames, so there should be a market, and it's most public domain so no worries about licensing / copyright.
Good idea to use them as Lovecraftian Ghouls. I think even a basic head swap would go a long way.
Tamereth wrote: yep need those werewolves, of to find a UK stockist.
We have a Nottingham warehouse and ship directly to customers in the UK!
We have three warehouses - UK, US, and Australia so that everyone is somewhat a "local" delivery. EU customers with orders under 150 Euros get their's shipped with IOSS.
I ordered my Sneak feet as well as some 25mm textured bases, I'm really excited!
I want to build some for 40k of course, but I'm also planning to use them as new 5 Parsecs from home crew and enemies. They really fit that vibe.
The SP bits look really cool, hopefully it's a plastic kit. These look great for Necromunda conversations and some 5PfH civilians as well
Those city civilians, guard, and whatever else will be revealed have potential to be a hit like Frostgrave ones but better. Hopefully they are properly scaled.
Shadow Walker wrote: Those city civilians, guard, and whatever else will be revealed have potential to be a hit like Frostgrave ones but better. Hopefully they are properly scaled.
So far they look to be really nice. I signed up for the Guards of Traitor's Toll Facebook page. I dont know if I will play the game, but that terrain looks great and more multipart minis are always great. Especially as the theme coincides with the RPGs I play.
Shadow Walker wrote: Those city civilians, guard, and whatever else will be revealed have potential to be a hit like Frostgrave ones but better. Hopefully they are properly scaled.
So far they look to be really nice. I signed up for the Guards of Traitor's Toll Facebook page. I dont know if I will play the game, but that terrain looks great and more multipart minis are always great. Especially as the theme coincides with the RPGs I play.
In that video above there was a talk about wizards and ogres and more coming so it may be a great source of minis for all fantasy needs if they turn to be properly scaled, and without puddle bases (as it looks so far).
lord_blackfang wrote: It may end up being one of those things where the model line sells way better than the ruleset.
Yeah, even if the rules are good or even great, the theme of the game is a niche in a niche in a niche...but miniatures for that niche are a really different matter.
I mean, for myself, I am a huge fan of co-op and solo skirmish games like this. I am thrilled for the miniatures, but the concept for the game is just as exciting to me. Kind of like Deth Wizards, I'd pick this up even for just the rules.
but you can if you do want one and dont want to wait for retail. You can even adjust what you have currently bought and change something to the vehicle if you wanted to.
