The Guild Ball guy didn’t just copy your power, due to be a captain and the way his melee results were set up, he tended to use your power Better than you could. When they put that same copy ability on another grunt player later, it wasn’t Nearly as good due to the lack of force multiplication from not being a captain.
More over, Task Master doesn’t copy Powers, he copies Fighting Styles. He’s essentially a normal unpowered dude, but is one of the single most skilled combat fighters that he’ll beat you down regardless. How That gets translated to the game is even harder than simply copying other characters powers.
AduroT wrote: The Guild Ball guy didn’t just copy your power, due to be a captain and the way his melee results were set up, he tended to use your power Better than you could. When they put that same copy ability on another grunt player later, it wasn’t Nearly as good due to the lack of force multiplication from not being a captain.
More over, Task Master doesn’t copy Powers, he copies Fighting Styles. He’s essentially a normal unpowered dude, but is one of the single most skilled combat fighters that he’ll beat you down regardless. How That gets translated to the game is even harder than simply copying other characters powers.
The issue is universal when you take a mechanism that is balanced holistically within a faction and/or unit and then give another unit or faction access to that same mechanism. It might not break the game immediately, but it will always be a potential time bomb that will potentially interfere with future development. To extend the GB comparison, it is precisely why The Union were phased out as mercenary units for other factions.
Taskmaster may copy "fighting styles" but that is his application of his powers, not the powers themselves. Game wise, a character's attacks and superpowers are the way a character's fighting style are reproduced, so if he was going to copy a character's style, mechanically that would likely be some form of rule duplication.
Daredevil is maybe my favorite Marvel character of all time. I'm obviously going to put him in a lot of lists and hope that he gets a good affiliation.
But, that Bullseye is the best of the recent models.
Kingpin is too heavy, DD is going to lose his batons, Punisher is uninspired.
Turnip Jedi wrote: Go get em Matt (the Affleck DD film is a guilty pleasure)
I'm assuming you means the actually alright Directors Cut? Which for me solved a lot of the issues I had with the cinematic release.
I thinking Taskmaster might get a hefty bonus att/def dice against anyone thats attacked him making him rather risky to try and solo
That would be a nice way to implement it, I declare this to be correct.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I also like all three, but I think Matt, being a constant candidate for my favourite super, might be one of my favourites so far. Really digging Wilson too. Bullseye was never a particular hit for me, but I think the sculpt is a good representation.
Bullseye looks particularly boring to me, HE will likely be a hero i just pick up for the fact the DD is in thee same box and kinda just ignore him sadly.
Im gonna get Fisk day 1 and likley paint him up fast.
The GenCon subpage on the official website now shows the full contents of the Construction Site terrain. Quite disappointed the size and shape of the new terrain is very similar to that of the existing terrain, would have liked to have seen some more variety.
drazz wrote: I could be wrong, but I think Defenders was listed as Strange, Wong, Spider-Man, Hulk and Ghost Rider.
If that's true, I don't see DD and Punisher in that affiliation. That is more the mystical Defenders, not the Netflix Defenders.
Spiderman and Ghost Rider are part of the mystical defenders? The classical lineup had Silver Surfer and Namor, although might be hard making it work in a game when the 4 members are absolute heavyweights.
I think it's almost going to be worth thinking of Strange and Wong as one 7 point character, given Wong's ability to keep Strange alive, top up his Power and Strange helping to keep him around.
All that "stance dancing" looks like it could be extremely fun. I'm not sure he's an amazing character, but he looks like a wonderfully designed depiction of how he should play. Really think it captures silly, fun, distracting, etc...
All that "stance dancing" looks like it could be extremely fun. I'm not sure he's an amazing character, but he looks like a wonderfully designed depiction of how he should play. Really think it captures silly, fun, distracting, etc...
He can move REALLY far it turns out.
Someone got Strange and Ghost Rider early and both have some incredibly interesting Tactics cards. Ghost Rider has one where he can can revive himself when he dies by sacrificing one of your other characters. Strange also has some really interesting spells, including the ring portals which will have some interesting applications.
Usually Team Covenant doesn't bill until their product is in-house, and they sent my receipt for Strange/Wong, GR, and Ant-Man/Wasp, yesterday... meaning they seem on schedule.
It amazes me that this is the only Asmodee game to avoid most of their shipping/supply/distribution hell. Marvel must keep them contractually on a very short leash, as even Star Wars is treated like a trash fire comparatively.
UK stores have been having some stock issues with them receiving a lot less then they requested. This has led to some store now only taking preorders the week once they have had final numbers on what they will actually receive confirmed. Not as bad as SOIAF though!
LOL... no game in the entire industry is as bad as ASoIaF(distribution-wise, I LOVE the game itself)! I'll never forget the misery-porn that is trying to keep up with new releases.
As an extraordinary assassin, Bullseye’s rules are geared towards one thing: damaging his opponents. He has an impressive array of attacks and powers to that end, from something basic like his Throwing Knife attack up to his signature power, I Never Miss.
Pin Cushion is a special attack Bullseye can perform, as he grabs a handful of whatever objects are handy and hurls them at his target. This pocket debris and subway tokens turn into a lethal Strength 5 barrage. Pin Cushion ignores any cover the target might have and imposes the Bleed special condition, and after he makes the attack, Bullseye follows up with another Pin Cushion attack thanks to the Rapid Fire special rule. Not a bad way to spend 4 Power!
Always hitting what he aims at is pretty much Bullseye’s whole deal. Thanks to the I Never Miss reactive power, it’s true on the tabletop as well! After making an attack that deals no damage to his target, Bullseye can spend 1 Power to use I Never Miss, which automatically deals 1 damage to his target. I Never Miss is a great way to chip damage on a target that’s about to become Dazed and pairs well with Bullseye’s Knife Throw attack, which costs no power to use.
Of course, Bullseye isn’t the only person out there able to perform ranged attacks. If someone is brave enough to take a shot at him, Bullseye has another trick up his sleeve with Parting Shot. This reactive power costs 2 Power to use after an attack targeting Bullseye is resolved. The attacker immediately suffers 1 damage (perhaps as Bullseye throws their own bullet or arrow back at them) and makes a Short advance away from the attacker… hopefully into cover.
Enchantress will be very disruptive in scenario-centric teams, and Angela might be the new-hotness beatstick!
FYI, there was some kind of mixup at the distributor level and this pack went out before it was supposed to. These two won't be readily available until next year:
Angela is cool, but doesn't hit quite as hard as other 5 costers. She's a super exciting addition to the Guardians though and between her and Enchantress, just what the Asgardians needed to feel like a fleshed out team with some varied options.
Looks like mine just missed the cut off and went out in the post this afternoon. I think this week was the original release date before they were pushed back due to Covid-19. I wonder why they don’t want to just release them know unless they only have enough stock for certain regions.
Pacing releases most likely. Sept was a heavy month already with 3 boxes and next month has 3 more with a terrain pack and event kit. They said they shifted releases around so the X-Men could launch this year, which likely just means they pushed back this box and a few others to fill the gap left by bringing the X-Men up to Nov/Dec.
Waging a years-long war on crime requires a particular set of skills, and Frank Castle has them in spades. His training as a Marine sniper has made the Punisher a crack shot, able to snap off quick hip shots at his targets. The Hip Fire attack represents one of these rapid, shorter range attacks, allowing the Punisher to make a followup attack against his target. The Range 5 Aimed Shot is where his sniper talents really show, however. This Strength 7 Physical attack costs 3 Power to use, but benefits from the Pierce special rule, which allows Castle to modify one of his target’s defense dice. Anyone he tags with an Aimed Shot also suffers both the Stun and Slow special conditions.
The Punisher doesn’t mete out justice at random. He picks his targets carefully and punishes them for their actions. In-game, this is represented by his Active power No More Second Chances. With it, the Punisher issues uncompromising vengeance against a target for their actions. This power allows the Punisher to discard between one and three Punishment Tokens, adding that number of dice to an attack roll. With it, he can deliver a heavy one-two punch with Hip Fire, or go all-in on a 10 dice Aimed Shot attack.
How do you get these tokens? Through one of Castle’s other powers, The Fallen. Working with Frank Castle is a dangerous business: his friends, family, and allies often find themselves in the crosshairs of those who seek to do the Punisher harm. The Fallen is an innate power that represents the burning rage within the Punisher. With it, any time a friendly character is dazed or KO’d, he gains a Punishment token to use against his foes. The Fallen doesn’t require the Punisher to be nearby an ally either, so he can comfortably sit in the back lines and gather tokens to use on his longer-range attacks.
If an enemy does get close to the Punisher, they’ll soon regret it. Wherever he fights, Frank Castle is careful to set up improvised booby traps, turning the landscape into a war zone. His (appropriately named) War Zone power reflects this. After spending 3 Power, the Punisher chooses a terrain feature within Range 4. The blocks of explosives he’s packed inside go up with the touch of a button, detonating to hit nearby opponents for 2 damage and destroying the terrain, leaving them out of cover and vulnerable to his next shot.
I know it isn't in the cards, but i'd love for some "pet classes" that get generic cronies. Kingpin feels weird as he is portrayed here, and I feel like some models are just begging for minions, Doombots, etc...
I agree; Daredevil is a bit disappointing. I like his area of effect attack but at only two strength for five power it's a bit underwhelming. I suppose it pops off pretty effectively though if you're contesting objectives, giving you four or six die there. I think it would also benefit from the Defenders team ability, given that until recently most characters have pretty low mystical defense. He's a bit fragile at 3 defense each but counting blanks is a pretty good buff.
I'll still pick up the kit; Bullseye looks like a really good bruiser for three points, he's got a good niche as a support ranged character.
Edit: Also I'll pick it up cuz I'm a huge fan of both characters. I even have an original copy of Daredevil #131!
Daredevil would be fine at 3. He's wrong at 4. There's almost no reason to use his AEO unless there are at least 3 models in the area, even with the Defender Leadership (which also costs power). And while he's a long mover, he does not have any other movement skill, which seems like such a miss for him.
Bullseye looks solid. He can grab a spot and hold it simply by discouraging others to come near him. He seems to be a better Defender than Daredevil as he could use the change in damage type. Or even a Web Warrior to get him just a touch more defense.
drazz wrote: Daredevil would be fine at 3. He's wrong at 4. There's almost no reason to use his AEO unless there are at least 3 models in the area, even with the Defender Leadership (which also costs power). And while he's a long mover, he does not have any other movement skill, which seems like such a miss for him.
Bullseye looks solid. He can grab a spot and hold it simply by discouraging others to come near him. He seems to be a better Defender than Daredevil as he could use the change in damage type. Or even a Web Warrior to get him just a touch more defense.
All good points. I think he'll be really valuable for Crime Syndicate too, faster characters can dump off objective tokens onto him while he keeps his distance.
Don Qui Hotep wrote: I agree; Daredevil is a bit disappointing. I like his area of effect attack but at only two strength for five power it's a bit underwhelming. I suppose it pops off pretty effectively though if you're contesting objectives, giving you four or six die there.
It's never 2 dice. You get 2 base, +2 for each target. That includes the first. 4 dice against one target, 6 dice against 2 targets, 8 dice against 3 targets.
Don Qui Hotep wrote: I agree; Daredevil is a bit disappointing. I like his area of effect attack but at only two strength for five power it's a bit underwhelming. I suppose it pops off pretty effectively though if you're contesting objectives, giving you four or six die there.
It's never 2 dice. You get 2 base, +2 for each target. That includes the first. 4 dice against one target, 6 dice against 2 targets, 8 dice against 3 targets.
Oh, that's right; so if injured, you could hook once as an action, hook again using the 2 power, and then use AoE for at least +4 die. Still - a bit underwhelming. Not a lot of maneuverability either.
LunarSol wrote: What do you mean by maneuverability? He’s a long move with wall crawler.
Additional skills that grant movement, is presumably what was meant. Ghost Rider, for example isn't particularly fast at a glance, until you account for skills.
LunarSol wrote: What do you mean by maneuverability? He’s a long move with wall crawler.
Additional skills that grant movement, is presumably what was meant. Ghost Rider, for example isn't particularly fast at a glance, until you account for skills.
Fair enough, though in GRs case, a large base moving M is almost as fast as a small base moving L.
LunarSol wrote: What do you mean by maneuverability? He’s a long move with wall crawler.
Additional skills that grant movement, is presumably what was meant. Ghost Rider, for example isn't particularly fast at a glance, until you account for skills.
Yup, that's what I meant! Esp. b/c you're going to want to use Baton Hook as much as possible (up to twice for one action with Devil of Hell's Kitchen), if there was a non-action power that would let him move into position without wasting actions for attacks that would be appreciated.
He's not bad by any means. In fact I'm glad that these new releases haven't lead to insane power creep.
This game generally has been good at avoiding power-creep, but a few models are definitely still at the edges of usability for their points. I think we all know Crossbones is as close to a dud as this game has, but Daredevil and Peter Parker are definitely flirting with being too costly to ever take.
Luckily, the disparity in this game is nothing compared to say 40k, so going full thematic always leaves you able to field models you like AND still win games.
Punisher looks like a very solid backline sniper. Does he replace Hawkeye, Suri, Ironman in anyone's lists?
Taskmaster I want to work, but I'm not feeling anything special. Can he replace Zemo, SHIELD Widow, or Valkerie as a character assassin in anyone's lists?
Fair enough. It's very easy to get spoiled by charge. At least in DDs case spending a move to reposition can improve the one attack he gets. Still not supremely impressive though.
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: This game generally has been good at avoiding power-creep, but a few models are definitely still at the edges of usability for their points. I think we all know Crossbones is as close to a dud as this game has, but Daredevil and Peter Parker are definitely flirting with being too costly to ever take.
Luckily, the disparity in this game is nothing compared to say 40k, so going full thematic always leaves you able to field models you like AND still win games.
Peter is quite good now that he has 2 affiliations where he specializes as a control piece. I'm less sold on DD, though its worth noting that he takes Strange's shield spell extremely well with Radar sense and the whole affiliation likes Gamma/Demons so his ability to punish clumping might be worth at least a roster slot as a tech piece.
I really don't hate Crossbones. I think he mostly struggles because Cabal is defined so strongly by how oppressive MODOK is (I think he's the game's one real mistake at this point), but I honestly prefer him to Zemo in centerline scenarios where he can pretty effectively hold a flank for minimal cost.
Punisher looks like a very solid backline sniper. Does he replace Hawkeye, Suri, Ironman in anyone's lists?
Taskmaster I want to work, but I'm not feeling anything special. Can he replace Zemo, SHIELD Widow, or Valkerie as a character assassin in anyone's lists?
Punisher's range 3 means he's got to be a lot closer than Hawkeye to build the power for his sniper. He's closer to Widow2 in that regard. Spec Ops training is probably the most interesting thing about him and has a lot of potential to make him really interesting. I don't think he can replace anything those other 3 do personally, but I think he's going to be an interesting midfield piece.
Taskmaster seems cool. A little jack of all trades. Not sure if he'll be super popular but I think he's a little more useful than Bucky.
Playing the last few days with the banned/restricted list, and it has already improved tactic-card diversity, as expected.
Personally the game is in an absolutely excellent place right now, barring the really tiny list of outliers. Cabal Modok is still a little disgusting though. ;-)
I know there's a guy on the TTS league running 7 model Guardians of the Galaxy at 17 points. Not sure if that's what NewTruthNeomaxim is talking about.
I think the list is something like:
Star Lord 3
Rocket 2
Drax 3
Nebula 2
Valkyrie 3
Okoye 2
Black Widow 2
Not to get into this debate too much, but there are definitely a variety of ways to build in this game, making it a great system. Three point character spam is an option, but I really see more lists with at least 1 bruiser than I see spam. Sooner is a good example of the spam list. That said a great 3 point character is always a boon.
Magneto is strong. I don't know if I love the leadership, but everything else is solid.
Just remember that he is not starting with any constructs on the board. So, power gen is still going to be a bit slow.
drazz wrote: Not to get into this debate too much, but there are definitely a variety of ways to build in this game, making it a great system. Three point character spam is an option, but I really see more lists with at least 1 bruiser than I see spam. Sooner is a good example of the spam list. That said a great 3 point character is always a boon.
Magneto is strong. I don't know if I love the leadership, but everything else is solid.
Just remember that he is not starting with any constructs on the board. So, power gen is still going to be a bit slow.
+5 by turn 2 is quite good and he's got a fantastic builder. His leadership can pump out a ton of power with and against the right team, though so far it looks like he'll need to find some out of affiliation ways to destroy more terrain than he's capable of on his own. Against a throw happy team he can generate quite a lot though.
I would not have guessed Inhumans to be the next round. I might skip, never knew much about them. My guess is that they will be like Wakanda for a bit, just two box sets and like a 4 character affiliation for a bit. Still waiting for Mbaku for Wakanda.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Kamala Khan is another i dont know much about TBH.
She seems cool though.
I just want Angel :( he is on the card Art.
She’s an Inhuman, a random kid who got caught when the cloud that activates Inhuman powers was randomly floating around the world a while back. Idolizes Ms/Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers, so adopted that name. Her power set is basically Mr Fantastic plus Ant/Giant Man, with a bit of a healing factor thrown in. She doesn’t do any one of those as well as the characters who only do that, but it’s a nice collection. She’s a second generation Pakistani immigrant Muslim, so a lot of people hated her initially as she came out in that crop of not-white-dudes who were subbing in for various well known heroes. She also tended to get hated on for her tendency to be a kid and reference various memes, not like constantly, but enough that you notice. Personally I found the memeing realistic, and the heritage well done as they managed to make it an important aspect of her character without making her story about her heritage.
The main group of Inhumans know about her, and they Have interacted, most noticeably when they initially sent Lockjaw to keep tabs on her for a bit. She’s not really affiliated with the Inhumans though. If she shows up I’d imagine it would be part of a Champions release, which I’d be down for. We already have Miles. Actually, you could proxy most of a Champions team with Miles, Hulk, Vision, are X Men giving us Cyclopes? Hmmmm...
YEah her and the inhumans might just be one i skip. Doesnt really interest me. Depends on the sculpts.
They are kinda starting to get into territory I as a non-comic reader dont know much about lol.
The options on Deadpool are great. I'm not much of a Cable fan but that sculpt is actually worth it. Glad to finally have QS and SW. Basically down to needing Falcon and Warmachine to finish up the MCU. (Yondu/Mantis and some villains otherwise).
QS and SW early next year also makes sense with WandaVision beginning in January. They are also confirmed as Brotherhood. I wonder if they will be Avengers too?
drazz wrote: QS and SW early next year also makes sense with WandaVision beginning in January. They are also confirmed as Brotherhood. I wonder if they will be Avengers too?
They will absolutely be Avengers. Zero question there. AMG has been really loosening up the Affiliation restrictions lately, but these guys were always going to be in both, IMO.
Curious that their box is CP63 though. They came from WAY down the pipeline.
My X-men arrived today... I've got to say, I winced REALLY badly at the receipt, realising that back, YEARS ago when I played 40k, I could get half an army for the price of 8 miniatures...
Haven't played a game yet, of course, I only really started getting it from when lockdown started.
It looks like I'll be happy to skip out on the Inhumans, but seeing all those new X-Force releases in the video, really made me go, "oh no... I want them all."
I assume a decent amount of that is the IP tax, I remember in the early 2000s when all the LotR miniatures were marked up compared to the generic GW ones. But overall I find the quality of the sculpts (some mold lines aside) are very high, and the game goes fast, so your $ per hour ends up being lower overall. At least my experience, I'm sure a competitive/tournament player has a better rate of return.
There's like 18 models in the game that are officially on A-Force and another 2-4 that could make the cut if they go the "Female Avengers" route. They have a lot to pick from, but She-Hulk, Cap Marvel, Medusa are the sure bets.
Moon Knight hired Blade to help him get his money back I see.
The new Spidey comes with Black Cat. I also assume Captain America will be Sam Wilson along with Warmachine.
Automatically Appended Next Post: FWIW, this fills in most of the mysteries in the release schedule. The only two announced characters that don't have a CP are Juggernaut and Jean Grey. They could be the missing CP44. CP36 is also unknown but likely something like a terrain pack.
There's also a huge gap between the Sentinel Raid(!!!?!) and the announced Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver. CP51 to CP63. Surprised those two were pushed that far out.
As someone who really fell in love with wargaming from the 2001 Lord of the Rings narrative scenarios this could be everything.
You should give the ultimate encounters a try. Ultron, Hulk, Thanos all have pretty cool scenarios. I've heard good things about the Killmonger pack as well but haven't gotten to play it or the Magneto encounter.
Mr. Sinister: faction? Ultimate encounter (or waiting until Apocolypse)?
Blade and Moon Knight as Defenders?
She-Hulk does not look like she's bringing any new A-Force models
Dormammu might be Unaffiliated along with Punisher. He COULD be jammed in elsewhere but I struggle to put him anywhere.
In the Deadpool trailer they imply Mr. Sinister is Brotherhood. Given how much overlap there is between Brotherhood and Marauders, they could be doing something like a third leadership or something?
Blade and Moon Knight are interesting, particularly released alongside Luke and Danny. I could see them doing a Luke Heroes for Hire leadership with a section of Defenders but I can also see them doing Midnight Sons with Blade. Maybe both? They've gotten a lot happier with significant overlap lately, so I can see either way.
There's a pretty big cut of A-Force members in the game already. I actually guessed this one back during the Gencon reveals specifically because I couldn't think of anywhere she'd fit and figured it might be easier to make her a leader instead.
He's in two affiliations. Spider Foes (Green Goblin) or Criminal Syndicate (Kingpin) which are two affiliations with a lot of overlap anyway given that these three characters are all in both.
He will be like he is in the spiderman video game,
One punch and mysterio is down.
ITs also kinda funny how they are putting these characters i absolutly know, with ones i do not. I did not know task master or moon knight at all.
hotsauceman1 wrote: He will be like he is in the spiderman video game,
One punch and mysterio is down.
ITs also kinda funny how they are putting these characters i absolutly know, with ones i do not. I did not know task master or moon knight at all.
Got a thing against pointed hood cloaks?
Taskmaster is just a great character. He doesn't get a lot of publicity because he's villain middle management and rarely one to have any sort of real scheme.
Moon Knight is weird. He's a lot like Hawkman in the sense that authors are constantly trying to reinvent him into something iconic, but it just never quite sticks. He's a really cool character though so they keep trying and his backstory gets more convoluted. The hyper violent nature and raw insanity also makes it hard to fit in with other heroes which is largely why he's probably currently most well known for meme fodder.
I thought his whole motivation was getting money back? If i wanted to know more, any books. All this stuff is starting to get to the point where i dont exactly know them. Alot of my comic knowledge is movies and Marvel Ultimate alliance.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I thought his whole motivation was getting money back?
If i wanted to know more, any books.
All this stuff is starting to get to the point where i dont exactly know them.
Alot of my comic knowledge is movies and Marvel Ultimate alliance.
Sadly, all the "Dracula owes me money" stuff is an internet prank. None of those lines are from the comics.
His actual backstory is that he was a mercenary who was betrayed and killed on a mission only to be resurrected by an Egyptian god of vengeance in order to punish the wicked. At which point he returns home and uses his vast fortune to Batman/Green Arrow it up and go out at night to beat up/cripple/murder bad guys. That's the VERY streamlined version of his reinventions that have been explained away as multiple personality disorder to the point where the Egyptian god might just be a voice in his mentally ill head telling him to kill people because he's crazy? Moon Knight has many things. Consistency is not one of them.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I thought his whole motivation was getting money back?
If i wanted to know more, any books.
All this stuff is starting to get to the point where i dont exactly know them.
Alot of my comic knowledge is movies and Marvel Ultimate alliance.
Sadly, all the "Dracula owes me money" stuff is an internet prank. None of those lines are from the comics.
His actual backstory is that he was a mercenary who was betrayed and killed on a mission only to be resurrected by an Egyptian god of vengeance in order to punish the wicked. At which point he returns home and uses his vast fortune to Batman/Green Arrow it up and go out at night to beat up/cripple/murder bad guys. That's the VERY streamlined version of his reinventions that have been explained away as multiple personality disorder to the point where the Egyptian god might just be a voice in his mentally ill head telling him to kill people because he's crazy? Moon Knight has many things. Consistency is not one of them.
Panel to play for Black Bolt. Looks like the Inhuman faction leadership will be an every turn Recalibration Matrix, Inhumans will have a built-in 1-die reroll for attack and defense.
Also, seems to fit Inhumans to be released in February.
drazz wrote: Looks like the Inhuman faction leadership will be an every turn Recalibration Matrix
? It says it lets you transfer power from one character to another.
The reroll is tied to the Inhumans themselves similar to the way Asgardians generate an extra power. It also only allows you to reroll one die not the entire roll like Recalibration.
Medusa is up. Looks like a tanky-beater. Strength 5 (with a push?) Flurry basic strike and the Inhuman ability to re-roll a die on attack.
Defensively, she has Angela's Ribbons which denies moving over her. And she denies attack rerolls against her (and again the Inhuman reroll of 1 die on defense).
The P2Ps haven't had quite as much to talk about this time around. I think there's a lot of wait and see the card. Also, lets be clear, the next one is the only one that really matters.... lets hear about the bestest boy.
Well here is hoping for a WCA character models. Get Wonderman, Tigra, Mockingbird, I guess even Moon Knight and Thing. We already have (Real) Hawkeye, and Warmachine in the way, I think as well Scarlet Witch. Vision already has a model.
BlackoCatto wrote: Well here is hoping for a WCA character models. Get Wonderman, Tigra, Mockingbird, I guess even Moon Knight and Thing. We already have (Real) Hawkeye, and Warmachine in the way, I think as well Scarlet Witch. Vision already has a model.
The way things are going, Expect the big names first, then they will shore up the others as they develop them.
Shang Chi, Power Man and Iron Fist, Kingpin's crew, etc.
Now that your seeing X Men, Expect X men villians.
You have to remember, these guys are clipping along in this COVID zone, so expect some more delays as they push forward.
If I were a betting man though, With She Hulk? I'd Expect to see Fantastic Four sometime in the near future.
BlackoCatto wrote: Well here is hoping for a WCA character models. Get Wonderman, Tigra, Mockingbird, I guess even Moon Knight and Thing. We already have (Real) Hawkeye, and Warmachine in the way, I think as well Scarlet Witch. Vision already has a model.
The way things are going, Expect the big names first, then they will shore up the others as they develop them.
Shang Chi, Power Man and Iron Fist, Kingpin's crew, etc.
Now that your seeing X Men, Expect X men villians.
You have to remember, these guys are clipping along in this COVID zone, so expect some more delays as they push forward.
If I were a betting man though, With She Hulk? I'd Expect to see Fantastic Four sometime in the near future.
Dr Doom, etc...
I wouldn't call some models currently big names but eh, probs what Marvel want to push. Ill take a FF model line.
BlackoCatto wrote: Well here is hoping for a WCA character models. Get Wonderman, Tigra, Mockingbird, I guess even Moon Knight and Thing. We already have (Real) Hawkeye, and Warmachine in the way, I think as well Scarlet Witch. Vision already has a model.
There was a leak a while back of some upcoming character packs that thus far appears to be legitimate:
CP33 - Dormammu
CP37 - Black Cat and Amazing Spider-Man
CP48 - Moon Knight and Blade
CP51 - Sentinels Raid?
These were also on the list and have been officially teased in some way:
CP38 - Captain America (Sam) and War Machine
CP45 - Deadpool and Bob, Agent of Hydra
CP46 - Mister Sinister
CP47 - Cable and Domino
CP49 - Luke Cage and Iron Fist
CP50 - Mysterio and Carnage
CP63 - Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver
Also, we don't have any real previews, but Jean Grey and Juggernaut were both listed as members of their respective mutant teams, so they're probably on the list somewhere.
As a whole, Inhumans look like an aggressive team, focusing on taking the fight to the enemy team.
Medusa herself looks like a front-line beater. I can see her making her way into a number of rosters with her defense, rerolls, and movement from a throw and a basic attack that grants pushes.
Medusa is very middle of the pack in terms of power, but her ability to move models is one of those things that someone is going to unlock and run with. She's easy to overlook, but I wager we'll see some serious turn 1 plays involving her.
I think Medusa is the Inhuman battery. remember with a free reroll on attacks and defense, she is essentially 4 defense on everything and her base attack is effectively a strength 6 at range 3 and flurry. There's good possibility for 4 attacks with pushes in a round.
All that possibly generates enough for a Hair Flip through and a Royal Decree move (So she does not have to use a movement and allow more attacks) and still have enough to pawn off a power to another Inhuman.
drazz wrote: I think Medusa is the Inhuman battery. remember with a free reroll on attacks and defense, she is essentially 4 defense on everything and her base attack is effectively a strength 6 at range 3 and flurry. There's good possibility for 4 attacks with pushes in a round.
All that possibly generates enough for a Hair Flip through and a Royal Decree move (So she does not have to use a movement and allow more attacks) and still have enough to pawn off a power to another Inhuman.
Geeze, I wasn't even thinking that her builder has flurry and a reroll. That's a lot of potential power generation to either use or move around. I could see her even having a place in Cabal where you do a Braid Bash with Flurry, move two range 3 enemies into range two and if you have 9 power at that point throw another range 3 enemy into a range 2 enemy and then attack all three with Split Ends and end your activation with another 3 power.
Really tough calls. My gut reaction is that the second one is Psylocke. Not sure though; it looks like a pistol in her left hand but it could be a second katana at a funny angle.
The first one is really hard. Sin is a decent guess following the legacy of evil comment. What we can see from the silhouette fits her costume to a T as well. My long odds guess would be Lady Mastermind, if for some reason the first one was actually Psylocke and they were in a pack together.
I don’t see Psylocke at all. Model looks like it has a gun, and that’s not her bag.
Plus, we know a few of the upcoming X Men, and she’s not oh the list. Not that it’s impossible, but I think this is a Hydra double pack, Sin and Madame Hydra or Viper.
She doesn't immediately wow me. A lot of unreliable attacks at only Str4 and needing wilds to trigger conditions. She builds power slowly (but reliably) though she only needs to be shared one power to start a chain as long as she's stationary.
As far as a conditions team, Hawkeye is probably the go to choice. He's Crystals biggest competition by far in that arena. Defenders in general can put out a lot of hex to stack up conditions, though her slow combines nicely with All Webbed Up.
Instant Avenger? He can teleport two characters a turn as long as he can activate Who's a Good Boy" (allied character within range 2) and uses the Avenger leadership to reduce power cost.
Dang. I was trying to figure out the hype until I got to "Who's a Good Boy" - what a fun support character. I might run him in Defenders, I like using Pentagrams to get a tank like Ghost Rider up midfield first turn, having a character that could do that every turn (!) is pretty great. He should still be able to teleport twice anyway - one power in the power phase, plus three for Good Boy, leaves you with enough for two teleport actions.
I'm a fan of Bloodhound actually, it doesn't have a max range and it would fit with Defender's power boosting.
Instant Avenger? He can teleport two characters a turn as long as he can activate Who's a Good Boy" (allied character within range 2) and uses the Avenger leadership to reduce power cost.
He can do that in any affiliation. He gets 3 from Good Boy and 1 power normally at the start of the round for the 4 total required. In avengers he can Bloodhound and Teleport though, which is likely also very powerful.
I thought he was absolutely terrible until I reached the bottom of the card. That power gain is crazy and gives him a ton of options. If nothing else, he's a great battery for the Inhuman leadership.
He's probably a little better on paper than in practice though. He would probably be a good backline camper but he doesn't really have any use for his actions in that role and someone else needs to be with him anyway. He's likely going to have to activate, Teleport someone, then run into danger to avoid getting caught without a charger. Really cool overall though, probably the best all around Inhuman.
Panel to play for Deadpool. Not much new here other than confirmation that he will be healing 2 a round and therefore another target for Exceptional Healing.
drazz wrote: Isn't Agents of SHIELD over now? That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
MCU Fury's an Avenger in all but name to most people and still showing up in just about every film and Sharon Carter's going to be a major character the Falcon/WS show most likely. I don't think the MCU has much relevance to their releases, since the Daredevil lot (and Punisher) came out recently despite their shows being cancelled a few years ago.
Fury and Daisy both have artwork on cards already. Black Widow's already got a S.H.I.E.L.D. alt-version. That's why the delay is so surprising to me.
I think it has some relevance, not much but some.
I mean, why else would Shuri and Okoye be among the first releases. And the guardians where popular too so those guys came out fast. Along with Valkyrie and Hela.
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LunarSol wrote: Looks like we're getting Hydra soon with Viper and Sin.
I am surprised we haven't seen Daisy and Nick Jr. yet.
Supposedly Sin comes with a second Cabal leadership.
It seems like Cabal might just be their Hydra affiliation.
They also posted up Cable and Domino in the new release batch. I'm sure those two are supposed to launch with DP and Bob.
I've been rather impressed with the durability of the plastic. My cat sent Ghost Rider flying off the table. He came loose from the base and had to be glued on but the chain didn't break or anything.
yeah
I had a really bad accident involving my entire MCP deisplay box just falling. Storm, Ghost Rider and all the small bad plastic people thought would break didnt. Only one model lost a piece i could not recover, Toads Tongue.
Really liked the X-Men sculpts but subsequent stuff has been really weird. Luke Cage and Iron Fist has bizzaro poses. The former is about a boring as possible while the latter may be the goofiest one yet, and there is a lot of competition for that title.
Manchu wrote: Really liked the X-Men sculpts but subsequent stuff has been really weird. Luke Cage and Iron Fist has bizzaro poses. The former is about a boring as possible while the latter may be the goofiest one yet, and there is a lot of competition for that title.
I think Luke Cage's pose suits him. No-nonsense, just a big tough guy. Iron Fist's pose looks weird from the angle we've seen it so far, I'm hoping it looks better in person, but yes, it looks like a miss so far. But at least it's unique and dynamic; there's something to be said for that.
Go watch the stream of both of them getting painted. Luke has great detail in a static pose, which is pretty uncommon in the game. And Danny looks more complete when you see the whole thing, though I’m still not thrilled by the pose. It feels like an effort to see how far they could push the CAD modeling, over a realistic pose. I feel the same about Angela.
AduroT wrote: My only problem with Iron Fist is the dragon’s trail doesn’t really make sense. Like is that the actual path his fist took?
I was thinking the same thing. Like, I guess with enough kung fu flips its possible, but dragging your fist across the ground seems unwise.
I will say, it looks much better in the 360 in their gallery. I think it would look a bit better tilted down a bit and higher up, but turned a bit you can better see how the legs look and makes him look a lot less awkward.
Luke also has MUCH better angles. His sculpt is quickly becoming a favorite. I do wish he was crushing something a little more subtle, but I love the sense that he's just this solid, won't be moved pose with the only show of power being under his boot.
LunarSol wrote: Luke also has MUCH better angles. His sculpt is quickly becoming a favorite. I do wish he was crushing something a little more subtle, but I love the sense that he's just this solid, won't be moved pose with the only show of power being under his boot.
I totally agree, I've been a Luke Cage fan for a long time and I think his sculpt captures his character perfectly. There are a few sculpts that really demonstrate character, not just action - Luke Cage, Kingpin, and Bullseye are all great examples (and I suppose Deadpool as well!).
The beam is probably a bigger issue. Sounds like its B5, which is really powerful, but you often only get to use once to max effect because of positioning. Getting essentially 3 could definitely be a problem.
He's really really solid, but almost entirely a damage piece. The lack of board manipulation will make him less powerful as like... Valkyrie.
Being immune to things like Amora and Mystique or Strange and MODOK is big and his rerolls bump his stats significantly. Healing factor giving him access to X-ceptional Healing is also just really strong.
Being healthy when injured also gives him a lot of super interesting interactions. He'll fit in a lot of places for sure, but he's probably not in the tippy top list of characters.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I wasn't liking his pose TBH until I saw him with that head.
I will have to find something suitable to out him on other than the rocket.
I'm planning to put the FWOOSH on the ground and have him leaping off of just that.
I am a fan of Domino but neutral on Cable, so this box was never an auto-buy for me. From the description it looks like Domino is good, though power-hungry. Things Tend to go My Way is an awesome innate power though. I'll have to wait for the final reveal, I don't really need more three-threat characters.
Funny enough, I DESPISE Cable as a character, but between really liking the sculpt and generally liking the way all the X-Force characters seem to be designed, I feel like he might be one of my most played characters overall.
Cable's rules got spoiled today. Really solid, but I'm not quite sure he's on par with other 5 threats. Looks like he's going to be power starved unless that gun gets some good rolls.
Hell yeah. Really hoping for a Sinister Six faction (in fact I was shocked that Goblin's leadership wasn't Sinister Six!). These will be the first boxes I pre-order, I think. I love The Lizard's base.
I agree 100% about Spidey and Black Cat, though. Spidey's base is way too busy and Black Cat looks painful. Ow, my back!
Yeah, the Black Cat pose is really not great. I can accept that the Spider Man exploding base won’t be to everyone’s taste, but I think it works nicely for what I have planned, plus that’s way easier to change than Black Cat’s... entire body. Still may have to add those two to my collection of unbuilt Web Warriors.
Cat is in her "leap off the building" pose. Kind of odd but I bet it would rotate well if you anchor her off a lamp post or stoplight or something. Spidey Foes looks great. I think they went with that name just so Norman and the Symbiotes don't get left out. Also REALLY hard to get a 6 man team in the game in general, so the name would be a bit odd. Sinister Six proper would need a new Ock to be the leader anyway.
Well, those look pretty cool. I'm not really interested in the game because the rules don't sound good, but this may be the thing that gets me to buy some of the models.
Albino Squirrel wrote: Well, those look pretty cool. I'm not really interested in the game because the rules don't sound good, but this may be the thing that gets me to buy some of the models.
The rules are fantastic. Probably my all around favorite system at the moment. What doesn't sound good?
I started collecting the game during lockdown, but the thing that's immediately a problem for me and is something I'm super wary of collecting for more than the models is the tiny point ranges.
It seems ridiculously apparent, even without playing the game, that all the point values need to be tripled, then individual characters be shifted up and down either 1 or 2 points.
Only thing annoying me about the trailer...well...things...
First, Venom and Carnage on the same 'side'? Nope. Never going to happen. Both utterly hate eachother to the point that Venom teams up with Spidey, not the other way round. (Which I suppose is why Venom's rules are so flexible and let him be fielded as a hero as well).
Second - damn shame Carnage and the Lizard are stuck in boxes with Mysterio and Kraven. Damn shame.
The poses...eh, I don't mind. Explosion spidey seems a bit off but the worse is straight up Black Cat. The paintjob on her face that makes her look like a dead fish isn't helping either. It's just such an off pose - we get it, you want her to be acrobatic...ok then, have her the other way round like a cat, not a Black Cat lovedoll that's gotten caught in Spidey's explosive flatulence blastwave and is being blown back from it...
DarkStarSabre wrote: Only thing annoying me about the trailer...well...things...
First, Venom and Carnage on the same 'side'? Nope. Never going to happen. Both utterly hate eachother to the point that Venom teams up with Spidey, not the other way round. (Which I suppose is why Venom's rules are so flexible and let him be fielded as a hero as well).
They've teamed up before in the comics in order to fight another Symbiote that spawned, Toxin if I remember right. So it's not entirely out of the question.
Compel wrote: I started collecting the game during lockdown, but the thing that's immediately a problem for me and is something I'm super wary of collecting for more than the models is the tiny point ranges.
It seems ridiculously apparent, even without playing the game, that all the point values need to be tripled, then individual characters be shifted up and down either 1 or 2 points.
The game isn't really balanced that way. You don't have a static lists but a roster of 10 that you build to different point totals based on the scenario. Having more granular points would make it a lot harder to swap characters in and out, as it would become more about what "fits" than what skills best fit the needs of the scenario.
There's definitely some stars and duds in the lineup, but nothing that would be improved with more granularity. Honestly, I think it would make it harder for a lot of models to see the table than anything. For the most part though, the requirements the leadership requirements have done a pretty great job of giving a lot of characters a spot in the game. At this point I own everything and despite there being a huge roster, there's only a few characters I see as really not having a place. Unfortunately, a few of them are big names like Iron Man, but on the whole, I find there's a lot more options than in games where points are used as the primary form of balance.
Albino Squirrel wrote: Well, those look pretty cool. I'm not really interested in the game because the rules don't sound good, but this may be the thing that gets me to buy some of the models.
The rules are fantastic. Probably my all around favorite system at the moment. What doesn't sound good?
I played two games and i was floored by how fun the system is, how characters can do so much per round, attack, throw, move even more super powers.
It is so fun,
Compel wrote: I started collecting the game during lockdown, but the thing that's immediately a problem for me and is something I'm super wary of collecting for more than the models is the tiny point ranges.
It seems ridiculously apparent, even without playing the game, that all the point values need to be tripled, then individual characters be shifted up and down either 1 or 2 points.
The game isn't really balanced that way. You don't have a static lists but a roster of 10 that you build to different point totals based on the scenario. Having more granular points would make it a lot harder to swap characters in and out, as it would become more about what "fits" than what skills best fit the needs of the scenario.
There's definitely some stars and duds in the lineup, but nothing that would be improved with more granularity. Honestly, I think it would make it harder for a lot of models to see the table than anything. For the most part though, the requirements the leadership requirements have done a pretty great job of giving a lot of characters a spot in the game. At this point I own everything and despite there being a huge roster, there's only a few characters I see as really not having a place. Unfortunately, a few of them are big names like Iron Man, but on the whole, I find there's a lot more options than in games where points are used as the primary form of balance.
Yup, the threat teirs are pretty good. you got yous various threats that do well in that slot, but do not inherantly means other of the same threat are bad
They've teamed up before in the comics in order to fight another Symbiote that spawned, Toxin if I remember right. So it's not entirely out of the question.
That entire mini series is actually criticised a lot in the fandom because it has a huge number of glaring issues with it - mainly, Venom's chumming up with Carnage but also Black Cat acting like she had never seen a Symbiote before (completely ignoring, well, everything since the 80s).
It's one of those series/events that basically got swept quickly under the rug due to the inconsistencies - it went the same dead end speak not of it resting place as the plot line with Mary Jane dying of cancer due to Peter's radioactive Spider goo.
They've teamed up before in the comics in order to fight another Symbiote that spawned, Toxin if I remember right. So it's not entirely out of the question.
That entire mini series is actually criticised a lot in the fandom because it has a huge number of glaring issues with it - mainly, Venom's chumming up with Carnage but also Black Cat acting like she had never seen a Symbiote before (completely ignoring, well, everything since the 80s).
It's one of those series/events that basically got swept quickly under the rug due to the inconsistencies - it went the same dead end speak not of it resting place as the plot line with Mary Jane dying of cancer due to Peter's radioactive Spider goo.
Minor annoyance but still.
Ugh that second one is certainly a plot I remember that quickly got swept away. Nobody wanted that sort of drama in the Spider-man series, nobody. The first I didn't remember much from the community about since it was.. well such a minor comic in the long run that I had to strain to remember it.
I mean... sooner or later? Probably? She's been getting more attention in the comics lately than she normally has; its just a question of how long until they get through some of the big names like Gambit, Rogue, Archangel, Psylocke, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Dazzler, etc.
Compel wrote: I started collecting the game during lockdown, but the thing that's immediately a problem for me and is something I'm super wary of collecting for more than the models is the tiny point ranges.
It seems ridiculously apparent, even without playing the game, that all the point values need to be tripled, then individual characters be shifted up and down either 1 or 2 points.
The missions outside the starter kit have a lot more variation in threat level, so what seems like a lack of granularity in the starter set (which is really a one-person starter, not a two-person starter) works quite well when you're trying to balance your roster. And they've done a great job (so far) maintaining character balance. My Defender's roster is full of expensive elites, for example, who punch above their weight but take up valuable space in the roster.
DarkStarSabre wrote: Only thing annoying me about the trailer...well...things...
First, Venom and Carnage on the same 'side'? Nope. Never going to happen. Both utterly hate eachother to the point that Venom teams up with Spidey, not the other way round. (Which I suppose is why Venom's rules are so flexible and let him be fielded as a hero as well).
Second - damn shame Carnage and the Lizard are stuck in boxes with Mysterio and Kraven. Damn shame.
The poses...eh, I don't mind. Explosion spidey seems a bit off but the worse is straight up Black Cat. The paintjob on her face that makes her look like a dead fish isn't helping either. It's just such an off pose - we get it, you want her to be acrobatic...ok then, have her the other way round like a cat, not a Black Cat lovedoll that's gotten caught in Spidey's explosive flatulence blastwave and is being blown back from it...
You never see Tzeentch and Nurgle cooperating, but that didn't stop people from running Mortarion and Magnus all through 8th.
So,
There are currently 3 out of the 6 miniatures shown off for MCP for ministravaganza
I assume the next will will be Spiderman, that leaves 2.
Apartment terrain and another?
Or Warmachine and Falcon Captain America
So as predicted unless you really want to, new spiderman will pretty much replace old one in roster building.
He just hits better, has a great leadership ability, his spidersense is even better under miles.
He loses control and impact webbing however
hotsauceman1 wrote: So as predicted unless you really want to, new spiderman will pretty much replace old one in roster building.
He just hits better, has a great leadership ability, his spidersense is even better under miles.
He loses control and impact webbing however
It depends on your gameplan. If you're playing the control game regular Spidey is better. New Spidey doesn't have a way to move enemies outside of niche applications of his leadership. He's also 5 threat which is a pretty precious slot in roster building.
hotsauceman1 wrote: So as predicted unless you really want to, new spiderman will pretty much replace old one in roster building.
He just hits better, has a great leadership ability, his spidersense is even better under miles.
He loses control and impact webbing however
It depends on your gameplan. If you're playing the control game regular Spidey is better. New Spidey doesn't have a way to move enemies outside of niche applications of his leadership. He's also 5 threat which is a pretty precious slot in roster building.
This is true, but to me who plays webwarriors, its the extra Leadership ability that closes the deal for me.
hotsauceman1 wrote: So as predicted unless you really want to, new spiderman will pretty much replace old one in roster building.
He just hits better, has a great leadership ability, his spidersense is even better under miles.
He loses control and impact webbing however
It depends on your gameplan. If you're playing the control game regular Spidey is better. New Spidey doesn't have a way to move enemies outside of niche applications of his leadership. He's also 5 threat which is a pretty precious slot in roster building.
This is true, but to me who plays webwarriors, its the extra Leadership ability that closes the deal for me.
Yeah, not being able to take both in the roster is a weird limitation. I think he's far more interesting as a swappable option.
Luke Cage is up! Been waiting for him for a while, not disappointed. I just ran Okoye for the first time and having a 3 point alternative for larger games that also puts out a ton of hurt is awesome. Immunity to Bleed is also a nice touch, it might be because I only have one regular opponent but it seems like lots of builders have bleeds on wilds.
I am also expecting her to come with another version (perhaps a giant form with elongated fist).
I missed it when it was posted but Atomic Mass showed off the sprues for the Apartment terrain last month. It's all double sided so offers a lot of variety and different heights of buildings are also possible. Some nice customisation bits as well.
Really static. It's pretty true to a lot of her cover art though. I think if she was blowing a bubble of gum it wouldn't feel nearly as plain. Hoping we see a second form for sure.
Unsure if it’s just the paint job, but the arms look oddly thin to me.
Also not a fan of the weird little square she’s standing on with her right leg. Odd tactical rock when they could have modelled it as part of the curb/street.
The second form seems to be the consensus desire/speculation. If so, we'll get our first Transform: Large model, opening the way to many others.
If not, who would go in the box as the second model? I would assume another Inhuman, but one of the new generation. Quake is the only one that seems popular enough.
drazz wrote: The second form seems to be the consensus desire/speculation. If so, we'll get our first Transform: Large model, opening the way to many others.
If not, who would go in the box as the second model? I would assume another Inhuman, but one of the new generation. Quake is the only one that seems popular enough.
Quake/Fury seems like the more obvious pack. She's technically an Inhuman but she has not real ties to the Inhumans as a brand. She just happened to have been created in that gap of time where Marvel thought they could replace the X-Men.
I'd WAY more expect her to be packed with someone from Champions or something similar. Nova (Sam) seems likely. I could also see them going with Squirrel Girl.
50/ 50 on Omega Red. Putting Miss Marvel in here is like watching Great White Sharks inviting Seals to dinner...
Her weaksauce powers won't be much use on a serious team. Balloon Hands have never much been something anyone ever thought of as a Superpower, along with the infamous Fanfic and Cell Phone Tweets that don't do you much use against a combined attack from Hulk and Spiderman smash team up.
MARVEL is doing exactly what we expected they would do by interjecting these fake agenda characters in when they have no use. I can only guess on Squirrel Girl, who was a joke character in the first place...
You'll be paying 35 bucks for her and a giant squirrel/ squirrel swarm base more then likely.
Better to see more X men, seeing as they already started with them... We need some good sculpts of Nightcrawler, Gambit, and Rogue.
There are people who are excited about Ms. Marvel being released, so there's an audience/market for her.
If Squirrel Girl was released I might be able to get my daughter to play. I wouldn't be opposed to that.
That being said, as a Marvel Comics fan for 30+ years, sure, I'd rather see Nightcrawler, Colossus, or THE FANTASTIC FOUR, but people are allowed to like things I may not be interested in.
I suspect they may have to wait until the movie before they can release the Fantastic Four.
I am not surprised about Ms Marvel. She is a popular character, was the focus of the recent Avengers video game, will have a live action TV series set in the MCU released later this year and is appearing in the Captain Marvel sequel.
Aeneades wrote: I suspect they may have to wait until the movie before they can release the Fantastic Four.
I am not surprised about Ms Marvel. She is a popular character, was the focus of the recent Avengers video game, will have a live action TV series set in the MCU released later this year and is appearing in the Captain Marvel sequel.
And she's a terrific new character. Marvel's "All New, All Different" phase generally flopped but several characters like Miles and Kamala were genuinely wonderful and deserve their spots. Comics are for everyone, not just grognards of a certain age and salt level. :-p
Kamala predates that line anyway. She's a unique, inspired character and to a degree, the problem with the line associated with her is simply that a lot of the characters were uninspired attempts to copy that same lightning in a bottle. Given time to breathe, a lot of them have evolved into much stronger characters.
Ac4155 wrote: Unsure if it’s just the paint job, but the arms look oddly thin to me.
Also not a fan of the weird little square she’s standing on with her right leg. Odd tactical rock when they could have modelled it as part of the curb/street.
In most cases, the tac rock is the same height as one of the curbs on a base. I have Okoye stepping down off a ledge, and it really changes the feel of the figure.
This sculpt is just all around terrible and bland though. First run of Reaper Bones bad. Having a second figure of her in Embiggened mode wont fix it. Hopefully she comes with some alt arms or something. I guess they aent too hard to sculpt if she doesnt.
Squirrel Girl or America Chavez seem the most obvious pairings. I can't think of an iconic Ms. Marvel villain.
I mean... they could pack her with a new Captain Marvel since Carol's current card is aggressively bad? Ms. Marvel does idolize her, even taking her OG appearance when the powers first manifest.
Is it not a good model, no. So static, skinny arms, and a pointless tactical rock. Should be easy to convert and fix that given her power set. I’m hoping they pack her with another of the Champions.
Seconding the guess she'll have a bigger, Stretch Armstrong form by way of companion model - probably with a more dynamic pose to contrast the uninspiring one the pose shown has.
Quake/Fury combination makes sense and they've got art already, that or maybe Mockingbird or Agent 13.
Grot 6 wrote: 50/ 50 on Omega Red. Putting Miss Marvel in here is like watching Great White Sharks inviting Seals to dinner...
Her weaksauce powers won't be much use on a serious team. Balloon Hands have never much been something anyone ever thought of as a Superpower, along with the infamous Fanfic and Cell Phone Tweets that don't do you much use against a combined attack from Hulk and Spiderman smash team up.
MARVEL is doing exactly what we expected they would do by interjecting these fake agenda characters in when they have no use. I can only guess on Squirrel Girl, who was a joke character in the first place...
You'll be paying 35 bucks for her and a giant squirrel/ squirrel swarm base more then likely.
Better to see more X men, seeing as they already started with them... We need some good sculpts of Nightcrawler, Gambit, and Rogue.
Damn dude, you act as if Ms. Marvel is taking the place of someone else "more deserving". Everyone can have their cake and eat it too, homie. Just pass on the purchase like a normal person and wait for your next dose of Mutant fun.
I for one am excited to get Kamala in this game. She's one of the few characters in the newer age of heroes that has been done correctly and is almost universally praised as such.
This game is gonna be going for a LONG time, we'll get more and more as the years go on. You got some fun, let others have some too.
Something tells me that you haven't played this game yet...
And as much as you opened yourself up for it, I am going to pass. This game is awesome, and even if you want to REEEE about something that won't be of much use in it, you are partially right.
Go on ahead and bring her to the table.
You'll use her ... maybe once, before you figure out what type of a game this one is.
Thanks though...
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Aeneades wrote: I could see them pairing Ms Marvel with Miss America.
More like "Champions". Such as RiRi, Miles, Nova, or one of those other ones that pass for the "Nu Metal" brand of Marvel.
You have a couple already, so I'd expect to hear more "Champions" talk in the next couple of months along with a few more X Men.
Asmodee has Cable, Domino, and Deadpool and Bob ... Then Mr Sinister, Luke Cage/ Iron Fist,. Sin/ Viper, and Scarlett Witch, up in preorder... So who knows. I'm really liking the speed and style of the releases... A little bit of everything, spread out across the brand is always a good thing.
One thing that can be given Kudos, The games releases... They really are stepping up and getting figures out in a reasonable time to get work put in to finish them, as you get them. (Of course there is still that issue of the overcomplicated sculpts, but hey. 2 out of 3 ain't bad)
(You are going to want to pin that Omega Red, BTW.)
http://www.mcpdb.com/ except crisis cards, MCP reveals everything online for characters before they are released so there are less qualms about this.
Also, Ms. Marvel i do not know alot aboutl but i do like her powers as a concept.
But I do hope she gets an embiggened version to maybe hulk size.
She is also somewhat tied to inhumans from what i remember, Lockjaw is her pet!!!
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Grot 6 wrote: Something tells me that you haven't played this game yet...
And as much as you opened yourself up for it, I am going to pass. This game is awesome, and even if you want to REEEE about something that won't be of much use in it, you are partially right.
Go on ahead and bring her to the table.
You'll use her ... maybe once, before you figure out what type of a game this one is.
Thanks though...
Dude.
this game is full of unpowered characters going toe to toe with gods and coming out on top.
She will be good lol. There are like maybe, 3-4 bad characters in the game. Even the much maligned crossbones is used pretty often
Sadly one of those 3-4 bad characters is Hulk. Makes me wish they would do errata or fixes sometimes. He just doesn't really feel like a 6 threat character no matter what team he's on, especially after the release of all the other 6 threats that show how good they can properly be.
But yeah. Most characters end up useful one way or another.
If i was to say the real bad characters are
Hulk
Bullseye
Gamora
Ultron.
The rest can be played is varying degrees, but those just dont work as intended
IF you want to play hulk, use She hulk instead in a friendly game
Grot 6 wrote: Something tells me that you haven't played this game yet...
And as much as you opened yourself up for it, I am going to pass. This game is awesome, and even if you want to REEEE about something that won't be of much use in it, you are partially right.
Go on ahead and bring her to the table.
You'll use her ... maybe once, before you figure out what type of a game this one is.
Thanks though...
I've played this game quite a bit. I have every character purchased, All assembled, half of those painted, and have done my best to keep up with the releases and learning the characters as they continue to drop.
It's fairly interesting to me that you seem to know next to nothing about game design but tout yourself as knowing exactly how a character you don't like will play on the board before she's even been previewed.
Just tell us the truth, you don't want these "fake agenda" characters in the game because it harms your view that everything should be about you.
It's not even going to be an issue of "I told you so" when she drops because you'll just hide behind a new strawman defense. Just take your ball and go home man, no one wants to deal with closet racist morons on the boards.
She is also somewhat tied to inhumans from what i remember, Lockjaw is her pet!!!
Only very slightly really. She’s only briefly interacted with them, and Lockjaw was only “her pet” for a short while near the beginning, having been sent by Medusa to check out the new inhuman making waves and report back. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if she does not have the inhuman affiliation in the game.
Otherwise her powers are a fairly simple shape changing, getting bigger or smaller. It Looks like stretching but she’s actually adding mass so the bigger fist does add weight to her hits, her arm doesn’t stretch, it gets longer, ect. However when she’s small, she’s small, none of Ant Man’s super dense strength stuff. Going small is generally used to dodge and sneak away. Also has a minor healing factor, but it tends to be less about recovering during a fight and more recovering quicker for the next one. Primary weakness is electricity and that has been known to temporarily make her lose her powers.
Alpharius wrote: Are the rules/cards/etc for this game freely available?
I'd like to:
1) Try it out first and
2) possibly use other minis in games of Crisis Protocol as well
EDIT:
Found the rules - is there a good source for the cards?
There is a very active Table Top Simulator community for the game with regular leagues. The final for the first invitational league was a few days ago.
hotsauceman1 wrote: http://www.mcpdb.com/
except crisis cards, MCP reveals everything online for characters before they are released so there are less qualms about this.
I don't think that site is being update anymore. It's been moved here:
I honestly bought into MCP for the X-Men (and to a lesser extent, the Black Order), but that might be the model that makes me looking more closely at the Avengers.
Pretty cool pose honestly.
I'm hoping he has a more sgressive style of play for avengers
Now THAT is a badass sculpt! Poor Ms. Marvel looks like a magazine promo in comparison lol.
Hope Warmachine turns out well. I may end up getting a 2nd to convert into a better Iron Man, as I'm underwhelmed by the core box version.
I'd wait, as I have heard a new Iron-Man isn't terribly far out. I have heard conflicting rumors that it'll be either Hulkbuster, or just a different Mk. called "Invincible Ironman" akin to the upcoming 2nd Peter Parker.
Actually, with that Cap and Ms Marvel, maybe they’ll two pack them for All New All Different Avengers. Get Lady Thor and the Young Nova and youd be good to go. Then add Brawn and Viv for Champions.
Wow that Ms.Marvel looks bad, but then again that is in form with the character. Surprised to see them before others but then again Editorial has been pushing characters like her to death even though All New All Different flopped.
With a power set like Ms. Marvel has, they sure phoned it in on that sculpt. With how dynamic and weird (lookin at you Iron Fist) poses some models have for the range, her pose looks so blah.
The proportions are off too with those skinny arms and ultra tiny hands.
Falcon Capt. America on the other hand? Awesome pose.
That Ms. Marvel pose is so disappointing for one of the characters I was waiting for most since the announcement. I'm torn between hoping she has a better second pose to represent a different form, or that she comes with any of the Champions (of the lot, I'd most like Cho Hulk, but mainly because I'd like to see an older Nova first) or Squirrel Girl.
Compel wrote: I honestly bought into MCP for the X-Men (and to a lesser extent, the Black Order), but that might be the model that makes me looking more closely at the Avengers.
Avengers and Cabal are soo good because they have so many in their affiliation, you can put any model in there to fill a niche you need.
Xmen and Brotherhood will also eventually get there, but it will be awhile
The post I was quoting has now been removed so this doesn't make much sense but was about what powers Ms Marvel has in the comics.
Was this the question about her powers? That was answered for you on the last page. It’s fine for you not to like the character but you don’t need to attack those who do. She is a popular character who is about to get her own tv series and co-star in a movie next year so she is going to be getting a lot of attention. If you don’t enjoy her then just avoid her comics and don’t pick up her model.
I have copied her full list of powers from the Marvel wiki below (they are useful and interesting than Mr Fantastics powers from a game play point of view) -
Powers
Morphogenetics: Kamala's cells manifest mutable properties due to the fact that she is able to share her mass through time with different versions of herself. On a molecular level, Ms. Marvel time-travels whenever she uses her powers. Kamala can stretch, deform, expand, or compress her entire body or parts thereof into any contiguous shape she can imagine for a variety of uses:
Elongation: Kamala can extend her limbs, torso, or neck to great distances.
Size Alteration: Kamala can adjust her height and stature adding upon her already impressive physical abilities, from shrinking to the size of an action figure, to grow as tall as a building structure. With this ability she has also made her body as thin as paper.
Accelerated Healing Factor: Kamala is capable of rapidly healing from injuries such as bullet wounds; however, use of her other powers interrupts the healing process, requiring Kamala to maintain her normal appearance while recovering. Extensive healing also leaves Kamala heavily-fatigued and hungry; although, it appears the more she utilizes her healing ability, the less malleable her cells become, which prevents her from utilizing the full range of her morphogenic abilities.
Appearance Alteration: Kamala possesses the power to alter her physical appearance including her hair and clothing, and could even alter her appearance enough to mimic inanimate objects. Ms. Marvel feared she had lost this ability due to her healing factor reducing the elasticity of her cells, but this power is still present and is used on rare occasions, such as when she impersonated James Rhodes during a conversation with Tony Stark.
Aw, that's too bad. But understandable given everything. I haven't played MCP in person anyway since before the first round of mutants, between winter and then the second+ waves of the pandemic in my area.
May:
Mr. Sinister
Sin and Viper
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver
Currently delayed and expected in June:
Cable and Domino
Deadpool, Bob, Taco Truck
Luke Cage and Iron Fist
On deck for Summer?:
Captain America and War Machine
Lizard and Kraven
Mysterio and Carnage
Amazing Spider-Man and Black Cat
Ms. Marvel (and...)
I think that takes us through the "known" models that have been shown to this point. There are a few that are confirmed, but with no (or incomplete) images:
Blade
Omega Red
Jean Grey and Cassandra Nova
Colossus
May:
Mr. Sinister
Sin and Viper
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver
Currently delayed and expected in June:
Cable and Domino
Deadpool, Bob, Taco Truck
Luke Cage and Iron Fist
On deck for Summer?:
Captain America and War Machine
Lizard and Kraven
Mysterio and Carnage
Amazing Spider-Man and Black Cat
Ms. Marvel (and...)
I think that takes us through the "known" models that have been shown to this point. There are a few that are confirmed, but with no (or incomplete) images:
Blade
Omega Red
Jean Grey and Cassandra Nova
Colossus
Dont forget blade is meant to be with Moon Knight.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I wish they had just done falcon instead of the lame falcon cosplaying as Captain America.
Well, I'm waiting for Captain Britain, Death's Head and Dazzler (70's roller-disco version). But I guess that wishlist is waaaaaaay at the back of the queue... somewhere just before Rom: Spaceknight or the Micronauts.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I wish they had just done falcon instead of the lame falcon cosplaying as Captain America.
Well, I'm waiting for Captain Britain, Death's Head and Dazzler (70's roller-disco version). But I guess that wishlist is waaaaaaay at the back of the queue... somewhere just before Rom: Spaceknight or the Micronauts.
For me this game won't be complete till I have my NFL Superpro mini.
Well the spider wave is up too.
All around 40$ so not bad.
The terrain can be found on Asmodees website for 85 and the description implies it will have facings for a bar or law office bottom floor.
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