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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Second season was improved, but the first was just too much “we’re swearing and bonking because than am matyoor show.

**AduroT**

Interesting premise for ep4, but not so interesting for its runtime. And then just stopped without really answering a single question. Also the ending breaks established rules of time travel and paradoxes. I’m finding I like this Doctor and Companion, but most of the stories they’re being put into are mid.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I don’t think we’re entirely done with the plot threads from Ep4 though. I’m hopeful we’ll get some further perspective in future.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Dot and Bubble

OK, so kind of going for the feel of the first Weeping Angels episode, without just going for Weeping Angels. And some royalties for one Timmy Mallet! Also a slight feel of Day of the Triffids. And a dash of Knightmare and all.

Oh wow. And a pretty brutal murder! A surprisingly dark episode overall.

Doctor is in fine form.

**MarkNorfolk**

A very good episode, that flipped in couple of heartbeats.

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Yup.

The flip could’ve gone horribly wrong, but I think they pulled it off nicely.

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**aku-chan**

Enjoyed that one.

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**AduroT**

aku-chan wrote:
Enjoyed that one.

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They absolutely fooled me with Ricky September, was totally expecting him to be the main villain, but nope, not only was he a good guy, he was probably the only good guy.

Hadn’t even considered it might be him. My prediction was

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**aku-chan**

AduroT wrote:
aku-chan wrote:
Enjoyed that one.

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They absolutely fooled me with Ricky September, was totally expecting him to be the main villain, but nope, not only was he a good guy, he was probably the only good guy.

Hadn’t even considered it might be him. My prediction was

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that the humans were a herd being kept by the slugs specifically as a food source and they dots came from them to keep everyone calm and peaceful.

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Definitely a surprisingly well written episode. Because I’m not gonna lie, the trailer made it look crap.

Yet, here we are. Having enjoyed probably one of the finer Dr Who stories in recent years, and which in time may be seen as a genuine classic.

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**MarkNorfolk**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely a surprisingly well written episode. Because I’m not gonna lie, the trailer made it look crap.

Yet, here we are. Having enjoyed probably one of the finer Dr Who stories in recent years, and which in time may be seen as a genuine classic.

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Also shame on me for missing the racial allegory here. The Doctor is the only non-white cast member in this episode. And he’s treated pretty dismissively by those he’s trying to save. It is subtle, but it is there. Which again is arguably to the script’s favour.

Could’ve been darker though. Consider if the slug things were sent in by the parents, a way to quietly get rid of their most vacuous children.

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

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My fear is that someone might’ve kicked off watching Space Babies, called it a day there (and understandably so!). Because they’d be missing out on solid fare for the most part.

**Skinnereal**

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely a surprisingly well written episode. Because I’m not gonna lie, the trailer made it look crap.

Yet, here we are. Having enjoyed probably one of the finer Dr Who stories in recent years, and which in time may be seen as a genuine classic.

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Also shame on me for missing the racial allegory here. The Doctor is the only non-white cast member in this episode. And he’s treated pretty dismissively by those he’s trying to save. It is subtle, but it is there. Which again is arguably to the script’s favour.

Could’ve been darker though. Consider if the slug things were sent in by the parents, a way to quietly get rid of their most vacuous children.

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That might still be the case. A more gruesome 'Golgafrinchan B Ark' scenario. I first thought the bigotry might be colour, but they didn't say to Ruby "you're OK" so it might they are strangers/off-worlders/not from Homeworld. It might be deliberately left to the interpretation of the viewer.

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Rogue

Pretty average RTD fare. Acting is pretty decent, even the monster make up is uneven. And what feels like a pretty blatant “here, have a new Jack”.

Also, not sure that “I can’t allow you to kill them” and “I’ll send them into an empty dimension” are morally all that different. Sure, you’re not actively taking their lives, but you are consigning them to no food or water…

**AduroT**

Yeah, Rogue was a little too Jack for me, I kept waiting for a reveal that he Was Jack, and I had a similar thought about the empty dimension. It didn’t get better when he made the comment about wanting them to just suffer for six hundred years. Otherwise I thought the premise was pretty good.

**MarkNorfolk**

Yeah, an 'all right, I guess' episode.

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5 out of 10. Back to UNIT next week.

**aku-chan**

The latest one was okay, had some interesting ideas, but they were trying too hard to make Rouge a tone-downed Jack.

Plus I'm always going to be a little weirded out by the Doctor being openly attracted to someone (My only real complaint about Fifteen so far is that he's just too dang flirty!).

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Definitely one of my least favoured elements of New Who.

I prefer my avuncular Doctor. But, this is modern times, and for most? The modern Doctor is what they know.

**Skinnereal**

The music being played in the ballroom was odd. I am sure they were playing 'Bad Guy' the first time the Doctor was on the balcony

[Yep, IMDB thinks so: When the Doctor is talking with Rogue on the balcony about brooding, the orchestra is playing an arrangement of "Bad Guy" by Billie Eilish.].

**MarkNorfolk**

Skinnereal wrote:
The music being played in the ballroom was odd. I am sure they were playing 'Bad Guy' the first time the Doctor was on the balcony

[Yep, IMDB thinks so: When the Doctor is talking with Rogue on the balcony about brooding, the orchestra is playing an arrangement of "Bad Guy" by Billie Eilish.].

When Ruby and Emily were'fighting' in the library it was a string ensemble version of 'Poker Face'.