new custodes box seems really solid. i already have two blade champions, so i doubt i need a third, but more guard is never a bad thing, plus the wardens and custodians, so i might get my hands on it at some point. not sure if this one is as good as the old one, but it's still plenty good imo
The Custodes battleforce has 6 jetbikes, which kind of no-sells it for me in spite of the new SC. The Combat Patrol, on the other hand, has exactly the mix of models I want (I need literally everything in that box, I might even buy 2).
CMLR wrote: Is Custodes CP better now that it has 0 girls allowed?
It will depend on how much things change in the new codex, and if they're supported by the rules or just left as their own thing with just baseline units.
These two boxes look like a real good way to start the army, and the old CP didn't really. Having the brain fart of 'Oh, the combat patrol starter rules don't have to use everything in the box' seems like a massive revelation for GW.
Matrindur wrote: Prices for this week:
170€ for both battleforces which is actually 10€ less than the christmas battleforces and 5€ less than the last two army sets
What's "Chikoz Pizoteadorez"? My translate app doesn't recognise it, and Google keeps telling me I'm a robot for searching it
Matrindur wrote: Prices for this week:
170€ for both battleforces which is actually 10€ less than the christmas battleforces and 5€ less than the last two army sets
Spoiler:
What's "Chikoz Pizoteadorez"? My translate app doesn't recognise it, and Google keeps telling me I'm a robot for searching it
I was just getting back to painting my Orks and struggling for motivation. This arrived just in time.
Excited about the codex but I don't really need either of the box sets. Might pick up the CP as Beast Snaggaz are a gap in my collection right now, but I want to get what I've got painted done first and defintiely see what the codex brings before making a bunch of purchases.
So no new tankbustas... What a sad state of affair to be stuck
with this crappy finething resin kit, and
the even crappier rules they have urged on them
for 10th...
Domandi wrote: What makes you think there will be no new tankbusters? There very well could be a new kit they just haven't shown yet.
They're not coming with this codex. However given the rate they've been churning through deleting or replacing finecast stuff I wouldn't be surprised to see them replaced before the end of 10th.
We're on schedule for another Apocalypse update next year...
Domandi wrote: What makes you think there will be no new tankbusters? There very well could be a new kit they just haven't shown yet.
They're not coming with this codex. However given the rate they've been churning through deleting or replacing finecast stuff I wouldn't be surprised to see them replaced before the end of 10th.
We're on schedule for another Apocalypse update next year...
mortar_crew wrote: So no new tankbustas... What a sad state of affair to be stuck
with this crappy finething resin kit, and
the even crappier rules they have urged on them
for 10th...
Orks currently have 55 Datasheets, and the new deck of cards with the codex contains 51 datasheets - so you might not be left with the resin kit and poor rules being an issue.
Gain the new big mek, lose the bosshead bunka and the mekshop? There's still three things left on the chopping block - Waaagh banner disappearing (or being folded into nobs if we're lucky), KKF mek without mega armour perhaps. Zagstrukk, Mad Doc Grotsnik I think would be more likely than the standard Wyrdboy (though the Beastsnagga one could be rolled into being the standard plastic character on foot rather than a separate type).
I think:
Tank Bustas
Wierdboy
Waagh banner
Zagstrukk
Mad Doc
Kaptain Badrukk
Orks currently have 55 Datasheets, and the new deck of cards with the codex contains 51 datasheets - so you might not be left with the resin kit and poor rules being an issue.
Gain the new big mek, lose the bosshead bunka and the mekshop? There's still three things left on the chopping block - Waaagh banner disappearing (or being folded into nobs if we're lucky), KKF mek without mega armour perhaps. Zagstrukk, Mad Doc Grotsnik I think would be more likely than the standard Wyrdboy (though the Beastsnagga one could be rolled into being the standard plastic character on foot rather than a separate type).
I think:
Tank Bustas
Wierdboy
Waagh banner
Zagstrukk
Mad Doc
are the last fine cast? Is there anything else?
The lost units have already leaked, its Boss Zagstrukk, Kaptin Badrukk, Mad Dok Grotsnik, Nob with Banner, Mek with Force-Field and the Mekshop going away. The Nob on Smasha squig seems to be being folded into the Squighog boyz as well.
Orks currently have 55 Datasheets, and the new deck of cards with the codex contains 51 datasheets - so you might not be left with the resin kit and poor rules being an issue.
Gain the new big mek, lose the bosshead bunka and the mekshop? There's still three things left on the chopping block - Waaagh banner disappearing (or being folded into nobs if we're lucky), KKF mek without mega armour perhaps. Zagstrukk, Mad Doc Grotsnik I think would be more likely than the standard Wyrdboy (though the Beastsnagga one could be rolled into being the standard plastic character on foot rather than a separate type).
I think:
Tank Bustas
Wierdboy
Waagh banner
Zagstrukk
Mad Doc
are the last fine cast? Is there anything else?
The lost units have already leaked, its Boss Zagstrukk, Kaptin Badrukk, Mad Dok Grotsnik, Nob with Banner, Mek with Force-Field and the Mekshop going away. The Nob on Smasha squig seems to be being folded into the Squighog boyz as well.
Yeah you can make out the contents in the video from Sunday.
Just.
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Dysartes wrote: Good to see GW's proofreaders are working to full ability, going by the "Try Dat Button" stratagem.
Never said it broke anything, merely that it should have been caught by a proofreader - given it is a correct word, it wouldn't get caught by a computer running a spell-checker, after all.
...I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to prove there, JNA. Look at the first line of the final paragrah.
CMLR wrote: like 3 maniakz will get their Stompa Battleforce.
Or maybe more if they want to use it as terrain.
I'm yet to see a single soul that uses a Stompa on anything.
I'd absolutely get and run a stompa with my walkerz if it wasn't for the rest of the cost of this box being wasted. I have zero need for more boyz, lootas, or another trukk.
If the stompa wasn't there I might buy a box or two. I already have a stompa, unless gw gives them a 300+ pt price cut I have no need for another. I am tempted to buy it and try to flip the stompa to get back some cost, but I'm not sure anyone would even buy it.
What's "Chikoz Pizoteadorez"? My translate app doesn't recognise it, and Google keeps telling me I'm a robot for searching it
Change the zeds to s and it's Chicos Pizoteadores or trample boys.
*Pisoteadores, or well, specifically for greenskins in spanish, Pizoteadores, following usual (irregular) spanish Warhammer lexicanum. I don't know when you use "stample" over "stomping" in english specifically but they are both the same word in spanish.
chaos0xomega wrote: If the stompa wasn't there I might buy a box or two. I already have a stompa, unless gw gives them a 300+ pt price cut I have no need for another. I am tempted to buy it and try to flip the stompa to get back some cost, but I'm not sure anyone would even buy it.
I love the Stompa - it's time it was a practical inclusion in Ork armies and not just something that gathers dust on the shelf. My issue with this boxed set is those crappy old Lootas. They weren't particularly good when they came out - the sculpting was pretty rubbish, as if someone had tried to copy the style of the Brian Nelson Boyz using plasticine. They now look really terrible next to modern kits like the Kommandos. The release of a new codex should be supported by more than just a single new character figure.
And it looks as though my KFF Big Mek and Waaagh Banna Nob are joining the Stompa on the shelf. At least for this edition.
chaos0xomega wrote: I like the loota/burna kit personally, that a d the truck are the main selling point for me, after the character lol
I think the Lootas are still reasonably well regarded - I just never thought they were good enough. They date back to a time when GW was switching to digital sculpting, so some of the Ork models (like the Painboy) had sharp but somewhat unnatural details, while others (like the Lootas) had 'soft' details. You can see that some of the components are actually re-cast versions of the Brian Nelson originals. Their weapons are really crude compared to more recent models. The problem with the Ork range is that it consists of models from very different eras, so it isn't consistent. What we need is for the basic Boyz, Nobz, Lootas and Tankbustas to be re-done in the same style as the Kommandos, but I'm not going to hold my breath...
chaos0xomega wrote: I like the loota/burna kit personally, that a d the truck are the main selling point for me, after the character lol
Lootas/burnas could use a new kit, maybe even split the two. Lootas as a 10 boy unit with modular weapons like the flash gits got, then burna Boyz with flame and add melta weapons. Or flamers/tox Boyz who use squig gas weapons.
Snord wrote: What we need is for the basic Boyz, Nobz, Lootas and Tankbustas to be re-done in the same style as the Kommandos, but I'm not going to hold my breath...
Basic Boyz have already been redone - and after the side effects of using the monkey's paw to make that happen, people still wish for other kits to be redone?
Yeah, please leave the lootas alone, they're miles above the new boyz kit. Them using parts from the old boyz Was a missed opportunity, but at lest they're fully compatible.
Btw the nobz might be the best kit GW currently sells, so leave them alone as well.
Boyz haven't really been re-done though, the old multipart kit remains on sale in parallel and hasn't been replaced. The last combat patrol is a bunch of pushfit Ork models typically designed for edition starter boxes; I really wonder if Orks were originally going to be the opposing faction for 9E or 10E, before plans changed and they decided on the other xenos factions instead.
Given the heavy focus on replacing finecast and 20+ year old plastic troop kits in recent years, it'll be interesting to see how much longer the 1999 Boyz will last before something actually replaces them and if that involves scrapping the new kit too.
The "new boyz" is a vanity release, pretty much tabletop decoration and waste of time + money to produce. The old boyz is still the only way to build a proper full slugga/shoota boy. (with lots of extra gubbin on top)
What's "Chikoz Pizoteadorez"? My translate app doesn't recognise it, and Google keeps telling me I'm a robot for searching it
Change the zeds to s and it's Chicos Pizoteadores or trample boys.
*Pisoteadores, or well, specifically for greenskins in spanish, Pizoteadores, following usual (irregular) spanish Warhammer lexicanum. I don't know when you use "stample" over "stomping" in english specifically but they are both the same word in spanish.
Last night I had a very random dream that I'd received (or ordered? or something?) an unknown GW kit, and the only information I had to go on for determining what army it came from was its non-English translation as "Boogistrafiers"
I think by the end of the dream I was leaning towards them being Pteraxii Sterylizors.
Whitefang over on TGA (Best leaker we have, never been wrong) said this in answer to another post a week ago:
Post: after the Kislev/Cathay cancellation
Whitefang: Nah it's just they aren't able to release them at the moment.
So while this would fit what this 4Chan rumour says about about Kislev with how they are just delayed it directly contradicts the same about Cathay, which as far as I understand, Whitefang also says are just delayed but are coming.
The very first line about ending resin production is laughable when they are still happily releasing new resin miniatures for Horus Heresy and The Old World.
It's also pretty laughable in the part where it says that games that are constantly sold out are underperforming. Like, can you perform any better than selling out?
lord_blackfang wrote: It's also pretty laughable in the part where it says that games that are constantly sold out are underperforming. Like, can you perform any better than selling out?
I can't entirely rule out the idea that GW's warehouses could somehow contain negative quantities of LI models
lord_blackfang wrote: It's also pretty laughable in the part where it says that games that are constantly sold out are underperforming. Like, can you perform any better than selling out?
lord_blackfang wrote: It's also pretty laughable in the part where it says that games that are constantly sold out are underperforming. Like, can you perform any better than selling out?
I can't entirely rule out the idea that GW's warehouses could somehow contain negative quantities of LI models
they are sorted there under Epic: Horus Heresy and not selling at all while the robot reports that there are no LI items in the warehouse
Dudeface wrote: Spied this over on B&C which got some chatter, usual 4chan trash post salt applies, but if it is true then it worries me:
Spoiler:
Lots of educated guesses and made up BS. Don't take it seriously. GW leaking their own products is a myth, it's against anything their marketing believes in.
Legions Imperialis….”massively underperformed”. Yet stock consistently sells out. And thus far, barely anything has been released.
A game that’s incredibly new (not even out six months, if memory more or less serves?) and no bugger can keep in stock? “MaSsIvElY uNdErPeRfOrMeD”
TOW also apparently underperformed. Yet..
Warhammer Community article, 18 March 2024 wrote: Danny: The game has been incredibly well received, and it’s great that there’s so much passion – the scope of the project has grown, so please bear with us.
JTY: We aim to do this forever. We have planned books for the next [redacted] years – we have all these miniatures planned and clear ideas of what we’re working towards, but we have to get there! We’re reintroducing the world and the setting over the course of nine Arcane Journals. Once that’s done… who knows?
You know, as someone whose profession involves a fair amount of “spot the liar”, you’d think I’d appreciate it when they make it this easy.
But I don’t. It’s just insulting folk’s intelligence.
Honestly, I can see all of that being true. Even if its not "reality" the corporate "perceived reality" can read things how they want. Sold out and "underperforming" can coexist if the gains don't outweight the risks in someone's mind.
LunarSol wrote: Honestly, I can see all of that being true. Even if its not "reality" the corporate "perceived reality" can read things how they want. Sold out and "underperforming" can coexist if the gains don't outweight the risks in someone's mind.
This was my stance, I imagined it was made up but some of the undertones and the like rang true of a potential future. Sent it to my buddies on WhatsApp and immediately one of them thought it all sounded great, so who knows any more.
Warhammer Community article, 18 March 2024 wrote: Danny: The game has been incredibly well received, and it’s great that there’s so much passion – the scope of the project has grown, so please bear with us.
JTY: We aim to do this forever. We have planned books for the next [redacted] years – we have all these miniatures planned and clear ideas of what we’re working towards, but we have to get there! We’re reintroducing the world and the setting over the course of nine Arcane Journals. Once that’s done… who knows?
You know, as someone whose profession involves a fair amount of “spot the liar”, you’d think I’d appreciate it when they make it this easy.
But I don’t. It’s just insulting folk’s intelligence.
and here I am not sure of you mean the 4chan text or the GW marketing article
as using an advertising quote to proof that a leak is wrong..... (in that case I believe neither)
Thing is, there’s laws about publishing false information when you’re a business.
If GW made out The Old World is a hit, and is expanding capacity? That statement can influence a would-be investor. So if it’s wrong, that’s, y’know. Illegal.
But who to believe. Some random liar on 4chan, the land of make believe, or GW, who don’t exist in a consequence free environment.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Thing is, there’s laws about publishing false information when you’re a business.
If GW made out The Old World is a hit, and is expanding capacity? That statement can influence a would-be investor. So if it’s wrong, that’s, y’know. Illegal.
But who to believe. Some random liar on 4chan, the land of make believe, or GW, who don’t exist in a consequence free environment.
I think there's a bit of a gap here. Publishing say false financial information via RNS is a crime.
Marketing going "our products are great and everything is going really well" is just marketing. You don't have to say "our product sucks and no one is buying it", even if it is, for fear of misleading shareholders.
On the whole GW seem to be selling just about everything they can make. Logistics issues might be preventing them making even more money - but I can't really see why they'd be disappointed.
I said already on the last page that the 4chan post is made up, but it looks like people like to talk about made up stuff
yet for those quotes "product is well received" says nothing about performance or anything you can call GW out if you made an investment based on it
"technically correct" as anything that comes via WarCom
the product was well received, means nothing as it just says that there are less people complaining about it than there are people liking it and it can still underperform or not selling at all
if one takes marketing speech as anything else or base an investment on it because of what they think it means and not what is written there, it is their fault and not an illegal act by the company
kodos wrote: I said already on the last page that the 4chan post is made up, but it looks like people like to talk about made up stuff
yet for those quotes "product is well received" says nothing about performance or anything you can call GW out if you made an investment based on it
"technically correct" as anything that comes via WarCom
the product was well received, means nothing as it just says that there are less people complaining about it than there are people liking it and it can still underperform or not selling at all
if one takes marketing speech as anything else or base an investment on it because of what they think it means and not what is written there, it is their fault and not an illegal act by the company
Out of curiosity do you have a link to the post where they say it was made up?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Thing is, there’s laws about publishing false information when you’re a business.
If GW made out The Old World is a hit, and is expanding capacity? That statement can influence a would-be investor. So if it’s wrong, that’s, y’know. Illegal.
But who to believe. Some random liar on 4chan, the land of make believe, or GW, who don’t exist in a consequence free environment.
I think there's a bit of a gap here. Publishing say false financial information via RNS is a crime.
Marketing going "our products are great and everything is going really well" is just marketing. You don't have to say "our product sucks and no one is buying it", even if it is, for fear of misleading shareholders.
On the whole GW seem to be selling just about everything they can make. Logistics issues might be preventing them making even more money - but I can't really see why they'd be disappointed.
Key phrase for me is “the scope of the project has grown”. That’s demonstrating a clear commitment, typically a sign that things are going well sales wise.
You can check it's veracity from the first line. GW phasing out resins to comply with UK recycling policy.
The closest policies I can find are the phasing out of non-recycleable single use plastics (miniatures aren't single use), and the phasing out of non- recyclable packaging (miniatures aren't packaging).
Unless there's another policy I don't know, it implies the posts are rubbish.
(Also, GW are still regularly releasing resin miniatures, so y'know.)
Leggy wrote: You can check it's veracity from the first line. GW phasing out resins to comply with UK recycling policy.
The closest policies I can find are the phasing out of non-recycleable single use plastics (miniatures aren't single use), and the phasing out of non- recyclable packaging (miniatures aren't packaging).
Unless there's another policy I don't know, it implies the posts are rubbish.
(Also, GW are still regularly releasing resin miniatures, so y'know.)
Yeah, to comply with the policy GW strictly only needs to get rid of the shrink-wrap on the boxes and the little baggies full of bases. Also the stupid clamshell character packs should go too, and frankly good riddance to them.
I was kinda-of hoping (praying) that GW would loosen up on its "no models, no rules" policy by releasing MORE clampacks. Basically do for all the factions what they do for special -flavor marine armies and have upgrade sprues with various weapons and wargear. That way you don't sergeants with the loan option of " do you want a CCW or chainsword?"
cuda1179 wrote: I was kinda-of hoping (praying) that GW would loosen up on its "no models, no rules" policy by releasing MORE clampacks. Basically do for all the factions what they do for special -flavor marine armies and have upgrade sprues with various weapons and wargear. That way you don't sergeants with the loan option of " do you want a CCW or chainsword?"
By clam packs I mean specifically the obnoxious sealed plastic container that can’t be opened without tools and is instantly discarded, with reference to plastic waste laws. Not the idea of small sprues for characters and accessories.
cuda1179 wrote: I was kinda-of hoping (praying) that GW would loosen up on its "no models, no rules" policy by releasing MORE clampacks. Basically do for all the factions what they do for special -flavor marine armies and have upgrade sprues with various weapons and wargear. That way you don't sergeants with the loan option of " do you want a CCW or chainsword?"
By clam packs I mean specifically the obnoxious sealed plastic container that can’t be opened without tools and is instantly discarded, with reference to plastic waste laws. Not the idea of small sprues for characters and accessories.
That's how those upgrades are packed though. I guess that they could pack them differently.
cuda1179 wrote: I was kinda-of hoping (praying) that GW would loosen up on its "no models, no rules" policy by releasing MORE clampacks. Basically do for all the factions what they do for special -flavor marine armies and have upgrade sprues with various weapons and wargear. That way you don't sergeants with the loan option of " do you want a CCW or chainsword?"
By clam packs I mean specifically the obnoxious sealed plastic container that can’t be opened without tools and is instantly discarded, with reference to plastic waste laws. Not the idea of small sprues for characters and accessories.
That's how those upgrades are packed though. I guess that they could pack them differently.
The Black Templar ones (and I assume the new Dark Angel upgrades) are boxed because they have too many sprues for GWs regular clampacks, same with the Horus Heresy upgrades.
Apparently female Custodes are confirmed in the new codex. Good! 👍
I don't get the obsession with this, or any gender based anything, in 40k/Gaming.
As a person that was there day 1 of 40k, who cares? Why? What's the big deal?
They're toys, your toys, play with them the way you want. Screw everyone else's opinion.
That is a good attitude to have.
There’s a good chunk of people who feel like their way has to be the only way, though. It’s not just “My army is all guys,” for them, it’s “ALL the armies have to be guys.”
JNAProductions wrote: That is a good attitude to have.
There’s a good chunk of people who feel like their way has to be the only way, though. It’s not just “My army is all guys,” for them, it’s “ALL the armies have to be guys.”
To me, either side is just as bad as the other. People screaming "yas queen!" are just as bad as "no boobs on my dudes" are.
Didn't GW just finish releasing a hundred and seventeen Horus Heresy books with zero mentions of even the possibility of female Custodes existing? Did they only start making them after they made sure the Emperor won't notice, or what?
His Master's Voice wrote: Didn't GW just finish releasing a hundred and seventeen Horus Heresy books with zero mentions of even the possibility of female Custodes existing? Did they only start making them after they made sure the Emperor won't notice, or what?
It makes me wonder if this is just GW navigating their way out of the quagmire on Sisters of Silence. It would be easy to just say that they're Custodes (subcategory Sisters of Silence), maybe roll out a few more sculpts and make the Custodes a more unified force.
cuda1179 wrote: Now if they'll just cave and give us male Sisters of Battle.
You can already run a Sisters force with something like one woman and dozens of dudes.
I mean that's the same argument for Custodes being run with SoS not counting towards what people wanted for them up until now, we demand misters of battle!
His Master's Voice wrote: Didn't GW just finish releasing a hundred and seventeen Horus Heresy books with zero mentions of even the possibility of female Custodes existing? Did they only start making them after they made sure the Emperor won't notice, or what?
they start making them after realising that making money is much more important than consistency in background (and if you can reset the game every 3 years to make more money, you can also change the background every 3 years to increase sales)
not the first time GW alters the background to account for new models or to sell something
His Master's Voice wrote:Didn't GW just finish releasing a hundred and seventeen Horus Heresy books with zero mentions of even the possibility of female Custodes existing? Did they only start making them after they made sure the Emperor won't notice, or what?
Did anything in those explicitly state there coudn't be female Custodes?
Equally, I do wish they'd just acknowledged this as a possibility in the first Custodes 'dex, given that was when they were describing the faction in depth for the first time.
CMLR wrote:This was a divertion, a smoke screen to not talk about how this is the worst Codex in 4 editions or so :tinfoil_hat:
I'll be impressed if it is worse than the Ad Mech one, by all accounts.
lord_blackfang wrote: It's also pretty laughable in the part where it says that games that are constantly sold out are underperforming. Like, can you perform any better than selling out?
When you have logistical issues...
GW has logistical issues.
So it's possible.
If I had to guess...
Bean counters say you need to sell 100k units to make a profit
Factory says, best we can do is 50k units what with the logistics and the Red Sea and wotnot
GW sells 50k units.
It underperformed!
His Master's Voice wrote: Didn't GW just finish releasing a hundred and seventeen Horus Heresy books with zero mentions of even the possibility of female Custodes existing? Did they only start making them after they made sure the Emperor won't notice, or what?
they start making them after realising that making money is much more important than consistency in background (and if you can reset the game every 3 years to make more money, you can also change the background every 3 years to increase sales)
not the first time GW alters the background to account for new models or to sell something
GW never was consistent with their background. They didnt realise fans would have religious reading of every silly snippet of info in every publication 40 years later.
I like to read it as Imperial PR and censorship that need to clean up their reputation now and again. Some poor clerk gets turned in to a sevitor and a senior scribe have to retcon the annuals And thats very much in line with the setting. Most stuff is unknown and based on dubious records.
His Master's Voice wrote: Didn't GW just finish releasing a hundred and seventeen Horus Heresy books with zero mentions of even the possibility of female Custodes existing? Did they only start making them after they made sure the Emperor won't notice, or what?
There have been subtle mentions in the past. One of the HH novels has a flashback to Sanguinius meeting the Emperor escorted by "men and women" guardians in gold plate armour.
Readers at the time may well assume SoS, but in retrospect it definitely works for Custodes too.
His Master's Voice wrote:Didn't GW just finish releasing a hundred and seventeen Horus Heresy books with zero mentions of even the possibility of female Custodes existing? Did they only start making them after they made sure the Emperor won't notice, or what?
Did anything in those explicitly state there coudn't be female Custodes?
Equally, I do wish they'd just acknowledged this as a possibility in the first Custodes 'dex, given that was when they were describing the faction in depth for the first time.
CMLR wrote:This was a divertion, a smoke screen to not talk about how this is the worst Codex in 4 editions or so :tinfoil_hat:
I'll be impressed if it is worse than the Ad Mech one, by all accounts.
the biggest issue with the admech codex is being flavorless, which from what i've seen isn't an issue for custodes, but with only having four detachments, there's going to be a lot less variety, and since a lot of them focus on gimmicks, i'm not sure if we're going to have an option that is mechanically viable
While that is true, SM are a different matter entirely. They basically carry the entire company on their shoulders so they will be treated a lot more carefully.
ImAGeek wrote: Tbf they don’t sell female Custodes at the moment.
But AFAIK the way we know about this is through a leak, not an announcement? And I would be entirely unsurprised if we do see female Custodes (or a character, etc.) in the months following the release; I assumed that's why they would make such a change.
CMLR wrote: Help me, aren't SM indoctrinated child soldiers with implants and Custodes bassically tube grown indoctrinated child soldiers? Or am I wrong?
Custodes start out as natural-born human children, given to the Custodian Programme as infants. They then get a full genetic resequencing, maybe, that allows them to grow into a Custodian. Then there’s the conditioning and training etc. on top.
We are also told that for every hundred children given to the Programme, maybe five Custodians are created. It is implied that the balance all fail in some way; either the gene therapy fails outright or they exhibit some kind of defect and never reach full Custodian status. We are not outright told this however, so there is much speculation about the exact process and its results.
Like, I personally prefer the idea that instead of killing so many the process actually merges several into a single being, similar to how the Emperor himself was originally created, which explains their extraordinary mental fortitude amongst other things.
Custodes are custom geneupgraded creations, that IIRC never had mention of being gender locked like the geneseed process.
Malcadors joke to Dornabout making the primarchs daughters instead of sons does imply that females were a viable option to gene enhance, and Custodes make sense for where that process was utilized.
Maybe they will adjust the fluff later, like say plastic kits for venturi jump squad to be female since their lighter build makes them more agile and suited for the role.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Custodes are custom geneupgraded creations, that IIRC never had mention of being gender locked like the geneseed process.
I did a little research on this today and found that there was a recon, but not with this new book.
The first Custodes codex in 8th went through the lore & creation process with consistent use of gender, referring to them as 'sons of the emperor' and 'a brotherhood'. "It is known that all Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of Terra.".
Then the following codex for 9th edition clearly intentionally rewrote all of that. Any male pronouns mentioned in the creation process were replaced with they/them, and now noble sons are just one of the possible ways they find inductees with other sources also mentioned.
Effectively what GW did to alter was a couple pages from their first dedicated book on Custodes lore. It's not all that different to how the first editions of published space marine fluff named specific Primarchs as simply commanders, generals, or heroes; before the latter versions added their full lore.
Compatibility with the primarchs' geneseed is supposedly one reason for marines all being male, and Custodes don't have any such geneseed implantation, do they? Being individually custom-made, any suitably promising applicant can get modded up to standard. It's similar to the stuff assassins go through, right? And they can be of any sex.
It's all made up nonsense that wouldn't pass muster in Bio 101 anyway, it can be anything they claim it is. It didn't used to be some things, but they can pretend it is now.
The only bad feeling I get from this is the abominations that will come from Wargames Exclusive now, although it seems the fetish they have for cheesecake Tau and Kroot has taken over for now.
Shakalooloo wrote: Compatibility with the primarchs' geneseed is supposedly one reason for marines all being male, and Custodes don't have any such geneseed implantation, do they? Being individually custom-made, any suitably promising applicant can get modded up to standard. It's similar to the stuff assassins go through, right? And they can be of any sex.
Custards seem to fall somewhere between an Astartes and a Primarch in terms of, well, design complexity, I guess.
Custodes, like Marines, start from a baseline smelly Hooman. Primarchs are lifeforms seemingly designed from the ground up, apparently not an enhancement to an existing human.
Custodes, like Primarchs, are described as strictly customer jobs. There they differ from Marines, who are essentially mass produced factory jobs, using standardised gubbins.
Marines are a legacy of the Primarch Project not being fully completed due to the abduction, and the need for loads and loads and loads of them for the Crusade era. This could be the same reason we didn’t get female Primarchs or Marines. Less “that technology is entirely beyond The Emperor”, and more “given the unique pressures, it would’ve taken too long to adapt it to female candidates as well, and time is the one thing The Emperor was entirely out of when the Warp Storms cleared” And only could. I present it as a potential talking point, not a claim.
Custodes have always been Made To Order, with whatever the process actually is and involves being tailored and tweaked to the individual subject. Now that may involve some kind of geneseed, at least to produce the organs and stuff that make them what they are. But…that doesn’t mean the resultant organs and that can’t be further refined for a given individual for peak performance and no tissue rejection.
Finally confirmation that EC are getting the world eaters treatment with a temporary index, likely until at least next year.
The Index will be released for free on Warhammer Community, so if you’re a fan of pink armour and noise complaints, look for it when Codex: Chaos Space Marines hits the shelves.
You might think that this heralds the imminent announcement of a new Codex, perhaps one bound in human skin and painted in garish colours – but if so, it’s too distant for even Warhammer Community’s astropathic choir to detect any signals, and we got a stern talking to from the Inquisitors for even trying. We can only assume we’re safe for the foreseeable future, but if that changes then we’ll let you know.
impression i get from this is that it'll just be the lucius and noise marine rules that already exist, but in an index of their own to preserve their rules until the codex comes out. some extra rules, but i'm not expecting a lot here
time to start watching rumor engines for anything particularly noisy, i guess
I think the only thing that surprises me that they aren't getting a codex of their own sooner. Then again it might mean that GW are doing more for them and that this year is already chock full of big new htings and they just don't have capacity to do the big update until later.
At the very least this is helping establish them as a fully separate subgroup that's going to get attention in the future
Custodes don't have "geneseed" or Primarchs. They have literal genetic implantation of the Emperor. Much like the GK have of Malcador. There is no reason the Custodes can't be women. No obscure paragraph from a magazine 20 years ago.
Also, the ration for applicants to complete custodes is WAAAAY worse than 100-5. It's like 50k to 1. The process of making a Custodian is not like the process of making a space Marine. They aren't "churning out new ones" every day. One of the youngest custodians (by his own admission) is still over several hundred years old.
Just saying, there is literally zero fluff or reason to say why custodes can't be women. or vice versa. They have the perfect genes of the Emperor inside them. There is literally no room for improvment on their human form. So their gender is entirely irrelevant.
We recently announced the imminent arrival of Chaos hordes mighty enough to darken the galaxy forever. There are two new Chaos Lords coming to ply their malevolent trade alongside a host of returning villains, but what you won’t find in the new Codex are a certain body-snatching duellist and his ear-splitting bandmates.
Lucius the Eternal and Noise Marine squads are both absent from Codex: Chaos Space Marines, and while none can say why they chose not to show up for the next big Chaos shindig, they aren’t going without rules. In fact, these devotees of the Dark Prince are getting their own Index, with updated datasheets to ensure you can field them alongside all the new Detachments.
While any Chaos Space Marine warband can still recruit Noise Marines of their own, the Index also includes a guide to fielding a true Emperor’s Children army, fixing up your keywords so they’ll feel properly luxurious on the battlefield.
They still have the Dark Pacts army rule you know and love, and besides needing to pick the SLAANESH keyword for anything that gets the choice – like Daemon Princes – you’re free to use whatever you like from the big buffet of units and Detachments that is Codex: Chaos Space Marines. You’ll also need to put Lucius in the WARLORD’s chair – prideful fellow that he is – but let’s be honest, you were probably going to do that anyway.
The Index will be released for free on Warhammer Community, so if you’re a fan of pink armour and noise complaints, look for it when Codex: Chaos Space Marines hits the shelves.
You might think that this heralds the imminent announcement of a new Codex, perhaps one bound in human skin and painted in garish colours – but if so, it’s too distant for even Warhammer Community’s astropathic choir to detect any signals, and we got a stern talking to from the Inquisitors for even trying. We can only assume we’re safe for the foreseeable future, but if that changes then we’ll let you know.
What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.
Dudeface wrote: What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.
i think it's because if they didn't, the only other option would be for these units to go into legends for a year or so. they don't want them in the main book anymore, since they're going to have their own book. it's just a bit of "get you by" rules until we get the real thing
Dudeface wrote: What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.
They're not denying it, they're saying that it's not close enough to release for WarCom to announce. If anything the article is confirming that a codex is coming... eventually.
Chikout wrote: This means that an Emperor's Children codex is definitely on the way. How long was it between the world Eaters rules and their codex?
About nine months, but as that was the tail end of that edition this time it may be longer.
Overread wrote: I think the only thing that surprises me that they aren't getting a codex of their own sooner. Then again it might mean that GW are doing more for them and that this year is already chock full of big new htings and they just don't have capacity to do the big update until later.
At the very least this is helping establish them as a fully separate subgroup that's going to get attention in the future
I suspect that they'll be released at the back end of 10e, just like the World Eaters were with 9e. Plus they need to sufficiently space out plastic Fulgrim from the resin monster they released last year.
As for the Custodes nonsense, I hate how both parties are using it as part of a culture war. You can dislike the change to Custodes while being all for female representation in 40k and there already is a lot of that via the Sisters, Inquisitorial factions, Imperial Guard, Assassins, Eldar, Drukhari etc without having to change Custodes. It's why I'm fully against the constant attempts of some online people to make female space marines, you already have them, they're called Sisters of Battle, the lore has been firm on this position for decades - Custodes are generally newer and less set in stone personally speaking I don't even like them being a 40k faction.
I'm just generally against retconning anything in the background when it has no discernable benefit other than making some people on Twitter happy. Retconning Necrons/Drukhari/Votann to make them more fleshed out and fit into the universe? Great (although I still prefer my Oldcrons), retconning something just so someone on Twitter can make their fanfic 'yas queen' dreams come true? Meh.
Dudeface wrote: What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.
i think it's because if they didn't, the only other option would be for these units to go into legends for a year or so. they don't want them in the main book anymore, since they're going to have their own book. it's just a bit of "get you by" rules until we get the real thing
Sure. Its really the only functional way of doing it without taking a subfaction out of play (well, other than doing EC first and the updated general codex after, but that ship has sailed)
Its the 'we don't know when this will happen' part that's puzzling. They can just say 'later this year' or 'early next year' or whatever
Naw GW's marketing only talks in 3 month soundbites. If its outside of a 3 month window and its not an exception - then the community team "knows nothing" about it. They might even know nothing; even if they can guess it they wouldn't likely be given marketing information further than they need it.
Dudeface wrote: What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.
They're not denying it, they're saying that it's not close enough to release for WarCom to announce. If anything the article is confirming that a codex is coming... eventually.
You might think that this heralds the imminent announcement of a new Codex, perhaps one bound in human skin and painted in garish colours – but if so, it’s too distant for even Warhammer Community’s astropathic choir to detect any signals, and we got a stern talking to from the Inquisitors for even trying. We can only assume we’re safe for the foreseeable future, but if that changes then we’ll let you know
The language used is intentionally "we have no knowledge of an upcoming codex" which is tantamount to a denial at this stage. Logical conclusion confirms it, but even they if they just said "look out for Codex: Emperors Children later this edition" that would be better.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: There is no reason the Custodes can't be women. No obscure paragraph from a magazine 20 years ago.
Just saying, there is literally zero fluff or reason to say why custodes can't be women. or vice versa.
Wrong, there is previous lore from rogue trader stating they were only men, 30k quote from the Emperor referring to the 10,000 as men and the 8th edition codex states directly that all Custodes are men.
Urgh it sounds like they're pulling the "tie the ability to use a subfaction to taking a named character" thing again. It was stupid with Belakor, it's stupid with Lucius, it's stupid with every faction. Lucius is not running around leading every EC in every skirmish.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's nice to see the EC getting a little attention, anyway.
Charax wrote: Urgh it sounds like they're pulling the "tie the ability to use a subfaction to taking a named character" thing again. It was stupid with Belakor, it's stupid with Lucius, it's stupid with every faction. Lucius is not running around leading every EC in every skirmish.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's nice to see the EC getting a little attention, anyway.
I don't even mind this anymore.
I'm just happy that there is even an EC index coming.
When the full EC Codex comes out, I'm sure there will be other HQ models that can be the WL.
Charax wrote: Urgh it sounds like they're pulling the "tie the ability to use a subfaction to taking a named character" thing again. It was stupid with Belakor, it's stupid with Lucius, it's stupid with every faction. Lucius is not running around leading every EC in every skirmish.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's nice to see the EC getting a little attention, anyway.
I don't even mind this anymore.
I'm just happy that there is even an EC index coming.
When the full EC Codex comes out, I'm sure there will be other HQ models that can be the WL.
The one downside to this approach is it encourages people to use stuff in the general chaos marine codex, but given the other three dedicated legions, they'll lose access to the vast majority of it when the EC codex does come. Beyond rhinos and helbrutes (and who knows if there will be an EC specific version of the latter) its basically unsafe to expand or finish an EC force.
I'd need to double-check, but I think Land Raiders should be fairly safe too - I agree with the general point, though, and wonder how this monkey's paw will play out in the long run.
Would be nice to see Doomrider return when the 'dex does appear, though.
The one downside to this approach is it encourages people to use stuff in the general chaos marine codex, but given the other three dedicated legions, they'll lose access to the vast majority of it when the EC codex does come. Beyond rhinos and helbrutes (and who knows if there will be an EC specific version of the latter) its basically unsafe to expand or finish an EC force.
I'd say it's safer than it would have been ages ago? The index likely will not have anything intended for the codex.
I assume the same as the other 3. If you buy in now, it'll be disastrous. If you have an existing collection, it'll effectively be a new army for everyone anyway and your existing stuff will mostly be generic CSM army. In a few years it'll be a unique and popular force that pulls in a lot of players.
(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)
The Warhammer 'squadron'? WTF if that about?
And from the article "one of it's most popular tabletop battalions"? I always thought Custodes players were a pretty minor segment of the player base.
Ah. Your mistake was expecting any kind of journalistic effort from the Daily Mail. Think something akin to a written version of Fox News with a British flavour.
Heck if I ever collected marines I'd get them - again they are an elite army which makes them a bit cheaper on the volume of models you need. Plus their HH connections also gives them some cool looking models.
Overread wrote: I think the only thing that surprises me that they aren't getting a codex of their own sooner. Then again it might mean that GW are doing more for them and that this year is already chock full of big new htings and they just don't have capacity to do the big update until later.
At the very least this is helping establish them as a fully separate subgroup that's going to get attention in the future
I suspect that they'll be released at the back end of 10e, just like the World Eaters were with 9e. Plus they need to sufficiently space out plastic Fulgrim from the resin monster they released last year.
I can imagine the design write up on this: Daemon Primarch Fulgrim looks like this resin model, yet does not look like a plastic version of this resin model. Have fun.
(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)
The Warhammer 'squadron'? WTF if that about?
And from the article "one of it's most popular tabletop battalions"? I always thought Custodes players were a pretty minor segment of the player base.
Ah. Your mistake was expecting any kind of journalistic effort from the Daily Mail. Think something akin to a written version of Fox News with a British flavour.
I don't expect journalistic integrity from anyone anymore. When multi-billion dollar news agencies say they can't be expected to fact-check something in a month that random internet users debunked within literally hours you know mainstream media has no scruples.
Overread wrote: Heck if I ever collected marines I'd get them - again they are an elite army which makes them a bit cheaper on the volume of models you need. Plus their HH connections also gives them some cool looking models.
Sorry - what do Marines have with collecting Custodes?
Overread wrote: Heck if I ever collected marines I'd get them - again they are an elite army which makes them a bit cheaper on the volume of models you need. Plus their HH connections also gives them some cool looking models.
Sorry - what do Marines have with collecting Custodes?
They have almost identical aesthetics for infantry design, use the same Rhino and Landraider models. Sure their 30K tanks are different and their dreadnought designs are different; but they are super similar and are basically "elite marines" in concept.
So yeah if I wanted a "marines" style army I'm more likely to get Custodes.
Or Sisters of Battle, who again share that same rhino but take everything way more gothic and ornate.
(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)
Wow. Warhammer is so popular now that mainstream news has taken to reporting on all it's recons. Looking forward to seeing their opinion on fluff pieces from all supplements going forward (because that's obviously why they're reporting it and not to try and cause more culture war bull).
Overread wrote: I think the only thing that surprises me that they aren't getting a codex of their own sooner. Then again it might mean that GW are doing more for them and that this year is already chock full of big new htings and they just don't have capacity to do the big update until later.
At the very least this is helping establish them as a fully separate subgroup that's going to get attention in the future
I suspect that they'll be released at the back end of 10e, just like the World Eaters were with 9e. Plus they need to sufficiently space out plastic Fulgrim from the resin monster they released last year.
I can imagine the design write up on this: Daemon Primarch Fulgrim looks like this resin model, yet does not look like a plastic version of this resin model. Have fun.
Yeah for all that Forge World miniature is beautiful, it was certainly a decision releasing him in HH at the time they did, when practically everyone knows EC were coming in 10th.
Souleater wrote: @ScarletRoss at the moment I would say that a good third of 40K players at our club have at least purchased a Custodes army.
They are £££ cheap, super quick to paint and previous had a strong codex. Being usable in HH is a minor benefit, too.
I'd echo this.
I suspect Marines still won out - but when it was felt they were having a wobble in 9th, Custodes seemed to be the go-to starting force. Relatively cheap, kind of easy to paint (to a tabletop standard anyway) and transport (which I think is something that can be overlooked).
Not sure how that's played out in 10th, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were still doing relatively well.
At one point this edition 40k tournament stats were showing over 10% of games played with Custodes, so there's certainly more than a few people keeping the army on hand for when it's needed.
I'd also suspect that Henry Cavill being a Custodes fan helped a lot with visibility of the faction.
Fulgrim coming out from FW feels a bit like a turf war move, since they are doing the Heresy Era and thus primarchs, and wanted to get at least one daemon primarch out before gw made a resin version. It also made sense that 3 of the 4 gods had their daemon primarchs out, while slaanesh and emperors children are likely still a year to two out.
chaos0xomega wrote: Huh, Lucius and Noise Marines, but what about Fabius Bile?
He's been doing his own thing for a while now, and isn't part of EC anymore. Most likely his datasheet will remain with CSM.
Is that not technically also true of Kharn and Ahriman though? And Typhus to a lesser extent?
Those three still seem to work alongside legionaries, if not so much their old primarchs, while Bill isn't a warleader for emperors children or slaaneshi bands but a wandering mad scientist
StudentOfEtherium wrote: 1. the models still exist and are playable
2. if you don't play/care about 40k, why are you commenting in the 40k news thread?
1: True.
2: I'm bored.
And Edit: If they ever fixed this mess, I'd quite like to play 40k again.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Hmmm.......and the last of the Cult Marines are removed from the CSM codex. First daemons, now this. Quite glad that I left this mess for 30k.
CSM armies can still take Rubric Marines, Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Noise Marines.
Basically its a little like the Demons in AoS. GW fragmented what was one army into 4 and steadily updated each one with a lot more options and models. You can still take another demonic force as allies; but a full combined arms is mostly off the table.
The result is you do lose the old demon army style; but the bonus is that each force now has a much greater roster of models. Because now you aren't tripping over other demonic forces doing the same thing with model roles.
Honestly I view it as a positive overall change because its basically increased the model diversity without bloating a single army into confusion (which oftne then results in things being removed or simply being no good to take on the battlefield)
The way that the first year of 10th has focused so heavily on Imperium & xenos codexes makes me curious. We still know nothing on all but one of the chaos factions: CK, Daemons, and (now four) legion codexes.
I wonder if they're planning some kind of general chaos shakeup or restructure that is being kept under wraps until closer to the EC release. For example, AOS-style god-specific codexes that include daemons alongside legion units, or even just putting all the legions into a single book.
The options are not that great if we take khore.
What do we have: greater demon, demonprince,
demons with big swords and demon with big swords in chariot
The tricky thing is that the individual Chaos forces in 40K still use a good number of neutral core models that they share between them and for some reason GW is loath to give the same model different stats in different books (Though I think they've started breaking down on this with genestealers between tyranids and cults).
The AoS armies are 100% fully separate.
That said, honestly, I'd welcome if they did splinter all four chaos gods into their own force. GW could even do a 5th with demon engines if they wished
skeleton wrote: The options are not that great if we take khore.
What do we have: greater demon, demonprince,
demons with big swords and demon with big swords in chariot
i think they could do a chaos undivided CSM book (plus belakor hanging around), and then individual god books. the inclusion of demons alongside existing cult armies would help patch the gaps that develop from them not having access to the full CSM codex, in theory at least
common stuff like land raiders or rhinos can be duplicated between armies, but each of the three already have their own terminator equivalents, for example, so they could work as four distinct standalone armies
xttz wrote: The way that the first year of 10th has focused so heavily on Imperium & xenos codexes makes me curious. We still know nothing on all but one of the chaos factions: CK, Daemons, and (now four) legion codexes.
I wonder if they're planning some kind of general chaos shakeup or restructure that is being kept under wraps until closer to the EC release. For example, AOS-style god-specific codexes that include daemons alongside legion units, or even just putting all the legions into a single book.
I've been thinking this since they showed off the roadmap, with EC likely being a 10th ed release it seemed the perfect time to start the process.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Hmmm.......and the last of the Cult Marines are removed from the CSM codex. First daemons, now this. Quite glad that I left this mess for 30k.
CSM armies can still take Rubric Marines, Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Noise Marines.
Sure. You just have to buy another codex for a single unit. Once the codex is released and the index is invalidated, of course.
Once Emperors Children come out, it would make sense for GW to finish the realignment of chaos that they seem to be doing since 5th ed 40k and AoS. Chaos used to be lumped into one boox- CSM before Daemons got split into their own Codex, and I think the same with Chaos warriors. Daemons got split out which made a mess of things, but then GW started shifting from dividing the faction csm/mortals/daemons to focus more on the gods with the daemonkin supplements and Thousand sons then Deathguard books, while AoS had the Disciples of Tzeentch, Maggotkin, and Bladebound.
Once EC comes out for 40k the split will be complete- with a base CSM codex for the unaligned/multialigned cam and renegades and cultists, then a book for each God aligned faction, probably merging in daemons and with detachments to focus on the legion part, daemon part, or mixed forces.
Gadzilla666 wrote: Hmmm.......and the last of the Cult Marines are removed from the CSM codex. First daemons, now this. Quite glad that I left this mess for 30k.
CSM armies can still take Rubric Marines, Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Noise Marines.
Sure. You just have to buy another codex for a single unit. Once the codex is released and the index is invalidated, of course.
To be fair, you just need the datasheet for each unit (army and detachment rules don't matter and the points are online). Either they provide it in the download section or you use image search.
And I play 30k too. It's no stranger to spread rules all over several expensive books.
Not to beat the dead horse, but if there have to be Chickstodes, I seriously hope they are reallistic rather than romanticed Wonder Women in golden armor: big slabs of meat with minimal distinction from their brothers, so more pecs then boobs. If I want metal corsettes, I already have SoB.
In 1988, at the beginning of the Rogue Trader Era, Games Workshop posted this ad in White Dwarf 99, offering two of these female minis for 5£.
The female space Marines were by Bob Naismith, Trish, Aly Morrison, and Mark Copplestone, these figures helped spearhead the Rogue Trader revolution, which eventually became the Warhammer 40k game we know today.
As you can see, Jayne and Gabs debuted here as “female warriors.” At this point, GW didn’t even know what a Space Marine was, so it’s hard to say if they are female Space Marines, but this is the closest you can get officially from GW!
woah! i tried looking for the female space marine models people had been talking about, but couldn't find anything, but this is really cool to see. janky proportions and all, that's as much a space marine as any of them were back then!
StudentOfEtherium wrote: they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter
I mean I hope so, like they do with my T'au and now Votann, and again, for impractical armour we have SoB. For once having practicallity on an Imperial army won't kill anyone.
Eldar are kind of an exception because their armour are bodysuits.
StudentOfEtherium wrote: they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter
I mean I hope so, like they do with my T'au and now Votann, and again, for impractical armour we have SoB. For once having practicallity on an Imperial army won't kill anyone.
Eldar are kind of an exception because their armour are bodysuits.
also, eldar are like elves, relatively androgynous. They have very similar frames regardless of sex. the boob plate is pretty much the only difference. I would also argue that as a constructed warrior race they wouldn't have any sexual dimorphism and no strength differences would exist. only those aspects necessary for reproduction. Just look at the lelith model, she is as jacked as any male eldar model.
StudentOfEtherium wrote: they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter
while thats true in plastic, it can be cringe on tv. do i really want to hear a deep female voice through the helmet and imagine her in the armor?
Grzzldgamerps5 wrote: In 1988, at the beginning of the Rogue Trader Era, Games Workshop posted this ad in White Dwarf 99, offering two of these female minis for 5£.
The female space Marines were by Bob Naismith, Trish, Aly Morrison, and Mark Copplestone, these figures helped spearhead the Rogue Trader revolution, which eventually became the Warhammer 40k game we know today.
As you can see, Jayne and Gabs debuted here as “female warriors.” At this point, GW didn’t even know what a Space Marine was, so it’s hard to say if they are female Space Marines, but this is the closest you can get officially from GW!
I think it is noticeable that the first Imperial Army troopers from the same time also included some female soldiers.
Is any of that news or rumours though? (unless ime suddenly living in the 90s again). I'm pretty sure the discussion of female Custodes et al was to have been moved to a discussion thread in the 40k forum.
StudentOfEtherium wrote: they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter
while thats true in plastic, it can be cringe on tv. do i really want to hear a deep female voice through the helmet and imagine her in the armor?
I'm confused... are you saying there shouldn't be female Custodes because you're afraid of what you might imagine in some hypothetical TV show?
If so, it's not the female Custodes that are the issue, here.
Grzzldgamerps5 wrote: In 1988, at the beginning of the Rogue Trader Era, Games Workshop posted this ad in White Dwarf 99, offering two of these female minis for 5£.
The female space Marines were by Bob Naismith, Trish, Aly Morrison, and Mark Copplestone, these figures helped spearhead the Rogue Trader revolution, which eventually became the Warhammer 40k game we know today.
As you can see, Jayne and Gabs debuted here as “female warriors.” At this point, GW didn’t even know what a Space Marine was, so it’s hard to say if they are female Space Marines, but this is the closest you can get officially from GW!
I think it is noticeable that the first Imperial Army troopers from the same time also included some female soldiers.
Unfortunately, they felt the need to call them out as 'female troopers' instead of just 'troopers' like the men.
StudentOfEtherium wrote: they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter
while thats true in plastic, it can be cringe on tv. do i really want to hear a deep female voice through the helmet and imagine her in the armor?
Yes? What's wrong with it? I don't know who this character is but looks like a space marine.
StudentOfEtherium wrote: they all wear the same massive and bulky armor either way, so unless they take the helmet off, the difference wouldn't really matter
while thats true in plastic, it can be cringe on tv. do i really want to hear a deep female voice through the helmet and imagine her in the armor?
What is wrong with hearing a deep female voice? What's wrong with muscular women?
Funny, I posted the same thing asking people to take the female custodes discussion to the thread that was made for it and my posts got nuked from orbit. Granted I was in a bit of a bad mood when I posted and it showed a little...
For the record I have no strong opinion on the matter either way, hence why I was tired of hearing about it. Everyone making mountains out of molehills for sure, on all sides of the argument.
How is that overpriced? They're selling 2x as many models for less than 2x the price of what it cost 10 years ago. The prices basically have never been lower once you account for inflation and everything.
chaos0xomega wrote: How is that overpriced? They're selling 2x as many models for less than 2x the price of what it cost 10 years ago. The prices basically have never been lower once you account for inflation and everything.
55 euros for a single model is still 55 euros for a single model, and how much are in the troop boxes? How much do you need? If you need 2 to make a proper regiment, like you would often need to do in WHFB 8th ed, then they haven't learned anything as you still need to drop 124 euros on a single regiment.
chaos0xomega wrote: How is that overpriced? They're selling 2x as many models for less than 2x the price of what it cost 10 years ago. The prices basically have never been lower once you account for inflation and everything.
55 euros for a single model is still 55 euros for a single model, and how much are in the troop boxes? How much do you need? If you need 2 to make a proper regiment, like you would often need to do in WHFB 8th ed, then they haven't learned anything as you still need to drop 124 euros on a single regiment.
TOW is running closer to 6th ed Unit sizes than 8th Unit sizes.
I think the fact that they released Orks and Custodes at the same time did neither faction any justice. Neither got an army box w/ a codex and there was no battle box like they used to do with two factions.
I was completely underwhelmed by the whole thing, and Orks are my jam.
chaos0xomega wrote: How is that overpriced? They're selling 2x as many models for less than 2x the price of what it cost 10 years ago. The prices basically have never been lower once you account for inflation and everything.
55 euros for a single model is still 55 euros for a single model, and how much are in the troop boxes? How much do you need? If you need 2 to make a proper regiment, like you would often need to do in WHFB 8th ed, then they haven't learned anything as you still need to drop 124 euros on a single regiment.
TOW is running closer to 6th ed Unit sizes than 8th Unit sizes.
Then it might be bearable. The old orc sets were something like 16-20 models a box, right?
Still, 55 for a single lord is a bit. How big it is anyway?
angel of death 007 wrote: I think the fact that they released Orks and Custodes at the same time did neither faction any justice. Neither got an army box w/ a codex and there was no battle box like they used to do with two factions.
I was completely underwhelmed by the whole thing, and Orks are my jam.
armies only get army boxes if they're getting a substantial number of new models (ie, T'au), and they seem to have retired battle boxes in favor of battleforces as a vehicle for releasing single models
and this is more than they did for necrons and admech
Battle boxes have been pretty much scrapped now because GW finally realised that they don't actually get most players to start collecting that second faction, it just meant people just left the overpriced box on the shelf.
Even though I didn't buy one, I'd much rather have the single-faction stompa box as an option over some Orks with a Custodes model tax attached.
I would have grabbed a stompa box myself but the FLGS ran out of their allocation.
Honestly it would have been nice to have full army boxes with new models and codices for both custodes and orks, but the question would be what would be included.
Maybe orks could have had a new sprue for the stompa to give options, new tankbustas, and 20-30 new grots to go with the big mek?
Custodes with 6-10 plastic Venetari, a Venatari Shield captain, a Calladius tank and a Pallas fast attack?
MajorWesJanson wrote: I would have grabbed a stompa box myself but the FLGS ran out of their allocation.
Honestly it would have been nice to have full army boxes with new models and codices for both custodes and orks, but the question would be what would be included.
Maybe orks could have had a new sprue for the stompa to give options, new tankbustas, and 20-30 new grots to go with the big mek?
Custodes with 6-10 plastic Venetari, a Venatari Shield captain, a Calladius tank and a Pallas fast attack?
issue there is, GW can only make so many new models, and these codexes came out right between the t'au and darkoath boxes. it would be really nice to get the fw custodes range in plastic, but instead they put custodes (and orks) in the "just a new character" slot
Just a small info from Valraks newest video The Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Emperors Children rumours he has been talking about all came from the same rumour source and that source also told him about the Dark Tide boardgame that was revealed yesterday months ago. So since that turned out true, the other three refreshes are also confirmed for him. Of course if you don't trust Valrak himself that doesn't really help you since he didn't say anything about the DarkTide game until now (unless I missed it) but as long as you trust him enough that he isn't just inventing that now, you can be pretty sure everything else he said about the other three will turn out true. (If you didn't already expect it to be true anyway due to his track record)
chaos0xomega wrote: How is that overpriced? They're selling 2x as many models for less than 2x the price of what it cost 10 years ago. The prices basically have never been lower once you account for inflation and everything.
55 euros for a single model is still 55 euros for a single model, and how much are in the troop boxes? How much do you need? If you need 2 to make a proper regiment, like you would often need to do in WHFB 8th ed, then they haven't learned anything as you still need to drop 124 euros on a single regiment.
TOW is running closer to 6th ed Unit sizes than 8th Unit sizes.
Then it might be bearable. The old orc sets were something like 16-20 models a box, right?
Still, 55 for a single lord is a bit. How big it is anyway?
Chaps, please take your Old World discussion to the Old World thread, or continue through PM's, cheers.
Matrindur wrote: Just a small info from Valraks newest video The Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Emperors Children rumours he has been talking about all came from the same rumour source and that source also told him about the Dark Tide boardgame that was revealed yesterday months ago. So since that turned out true, the other three refreshes are also confirmed for him.
Of course if you don't trust Valrak himself that doesn't really help you since he didn't say anything about the DarkTide game until now (unless I missed it) but as long as you trust him enough that he isn't just inventing that now, you can be pretty sure everything else he said about the other three will turn out true. (If you didn't already expect it to be true anyway due to his track record)
He mentioned the Darktide game on the live streams a few times, but obviously that can't be cited.
I think he did say that it would get new models tbh, which was wrong, but I couldn't swear to that and there's no way to find out for sure.
The Phazer wrote: He mentioned the Darktide game on the live streams a few times, but obviously that can't be cited.
I think he did say that it would get new models tbh, which was wrong, but I couldn't swear to that and there's no way to find out for sure.
Aren't the live streams under his channel just like everything else? I mean, I'm not looking through them to check, but someone could if they cared to.
angel of death 007 wrote: I think the fact that they released Orks and Custodes at the same time did neither faction any justice. Neither got an army box w/ a codex and there was no battle box like they used to do with two factions.
I was completely underwhelmed by the whole thing, and Orks are my jam.
The last thing I'd want is a codex in a box set right now. Having to wait a couple months to actually use the rules and models seems miserable.
I assume there's a missing "in tournaments" from that statement, LunarSol, as there doesn't seem to be anything stopping them being used outside of such things.
Matrindur wrote: Just a small info from Valraks newest video The Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Emperors Children rumours he has been talking about all came from the same rumour source and that source also told him about the Dark Tide boardgame that was revealed yesterday months ago. So since that turned out true, the other three refreshes are also confirmed for him.
Of course if you don't trust Valrak himself that doesn't really help you since he didn't say anything about the DarkTide game until now (unless I missed it) but as long as you trust him enough that he isn't just inventing that now, you can be pretty sure everything else he said about the other three will turn out true. (If you didn't already expect it to be true anyway due to his track record)
What did he say about blood angels, space wolves and emperors children?
kodos wrote: you mean except that you cannot buy the book and therefore also cannot use it
Well, if you buy the box you can - and given the reference to not using the models, that would imply someone who did manage to acquire such a box.
The main issue is just that the points in the books have largely been nonsense. Many times not even attractive to use at the points listed and for the full codexes the existing units generally have Index points that aren't very compelling to use either. You certainly can play that way; its just not very appealing.
Matrindur wrote: Just a small info from Valraks newest video The Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Emperors Children rumours he has been talking about all came from the same rumour source and that source also told him about the Dark Tide boardgame that was revealed yesterday months ago. So since that turned out true, the other three refreshes are also confirmed for him.
Of course if you don't trust Valrak himself that doesn't really help you since he didn't say anything about the DarkTide game until now (unless I missed it) but as long as you trust him enough that he isn't just inventing that now, you can be pretty sure everything else he said about the other three will turn out true. (If you didn't already expect it to be true anyway due to his track record)
What did he say about blood angels, space wolves and emperors children?
I think k it's that blood angels are getting a battleforce launch box w new primaris sanguinary guard + sanguinor, and Emperors children are within the next year or so w new Fulgrim and Noise Marines (which is kinda obvious so not sure what the value of that one is).
Be nice if people would summarize that stuff instead of assuming we are all up to date w his rumors.
I think k it's that blood angels are getting a battleforce launch box w new primaris sanguinary guard + sanguinor, and Emperors children are within the next year or so w new Fulgrim and Noise Marines (which is kinda obvious so not sure what the value of that one is).
Be nice if people would summarize that stuff instead of assuming we are all up to date w his rumors.
Blood Angels:
Boxset with their codex, Death Company themed box - New Upgrade Sprue - Jump Assault Intercessors (Not sure how many) - Brutalis Dreadnought - New Lemartes Model also new Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Astorath, new Sanguinor
Space Wolves:
Apparently SW vs Orks focus in 11th edition, Nothing concrete yet but will also get a big refresh like DA and BA. Leman Russ should be coming first at the end of this edition like the Lion in 9th, maybe together with EC?
Emperors Children:
No concrete models but will get their own codex like TS, DG, WE. Will be at the back end of the edition
Also Genestealers:
Genestealers getting a single psyker character that looks similar to the necromunda Delaque Psyker Also getting a boxset with 2x Goliath Rockgrinders and an unspecified number of Neophytes and "Hulking Brutes" which he probably meant the Aberrants with. No specific information if the new HQ is in here but its very likely looking at every other box.
Sisters of battle:
Sister of Battle get a new Canoness with Jump Pack and the boxset will have Seraphim/Zephyrim and two tanks but no info which tank.
Grey Knights:
Getting a vehicle - heard it could be an upgraded baby carrier (please no) Also Kaldor Draigo
Aeldari:
Asurman, Baharroth, Fuegan, new Warp Spiders lord Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders
Astra Militarum:
big Krieg refresh
I'm sure I missed something but this should be the most important things for 40k
kodos wrote: you mean except that you cannot buy the book and therefore also cannot use it
Well, if you buy the box you can - and given the reference to not using the models, that would imply someone who did manage to acquire such a box.
if you want to play your existing army from the beginning, needing to buy more models you don't want/need in addition to not being able to wait for reviews because it is limited stock is not just a simple "you can"
if you cannot buy the book for several months a "technically if you pay 200€ instead of 40€ you can" is not really a good argument here
Boxset with their codex, Death Company themed box
- New Upgrade Sprue
- Jump Assault Intercessors (Not sure how many)
- Brutalis Dreadnought
- New Lemartes Model
also new Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Astorath, new Sanguinor
Space Wolves:
Apparently SW vs Orks focus in 11th edition, Nothing concrete yet but will also get a big refresh like DA and BA.
Leman Russ should be coming first at the end of this edition like the Lion in 9th, maybe together with EC?
Emperors Children:
No concrete models but will get their own codex like TS, DG, WE. Will be at the back end of the edition
Also Genestealers:
Genestealers getting a single psyker character that looks similar to the necromunda Delaque Psyker
Also getting a boxset with 2x Goliath Rockgrinders and an unspecified number of Neophytes and "Hulking Brutes" which he probably meant the Aberrants with. No specific information if the new HQ is in here but its very likely looking at every other box.
Sisters of battle:
Sister of Battle get a new Canoness with Jump Pack and the boxset will have Seraphim/Zephyrim and two tanks but no info which tank.
Grey Knights:
Getting a vehicle - heard it could be an upgraded baby carrier (please no)
Also Kaldor Draigo
Aeldari:
Asurman, Baharroth, Fuegan, new Warp Spiders lord
Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders
Astra Militarum:
big Krieg refresh
I'm sure I missed something but this should be the most important things for 40k
Thanks Matrindur, greatly appreciated!
Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?
New Warp Spiders how can this be? How can anyone improve upon the perfection of the 1994 Warp Spiders? Why would anyone try!
Plastic Krieg? But we've only waited 20 years for that, surely new Warp Spiders are the priority here!
More seriously it would be nice to have some kind of Vet guardsmen unit back for the Kill Team Krieg set and then just a cheap and easy to build rifleman squad. My main objection to current GW kits (OK besides prices) is how the common rifleman suddenly needs 8-12 parts, multiply that by 10, 20, 50, 100 models and you go insane. So yeah, rules for a Krieg vet squad/engineers, cheap and easy riflemen, heavy weapons and command. Do I ask for too much?
Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?
from what we know the process for new plastics takes 2-3 years (design start to release) so yes GW would already have started working on the 11th Edi Marine release and the army that goes with it in the starter set
might also just be speculation as with Russ coming end of 10th that SW get a focus in 11th and must be against Orks because of the last Ragnar story
Valrak has also said that the Imperial Agents book will include three box sets - one for each Inquisition ordos, but nothing about contents as far as I know.
The Phazer wrote: Valrak has also said that the Imperial Agents book will include three box sets - one for each Inquisition ordos, but nothing about contents as far as I know.
I was going to say I'll believe this when I see it, but I could see them release a box with Greyfax, the new kill team acolyte sprue, and a squad of Sisters; Draxus, the new acolyte sprue, and a squad of Deathwatch; and a new Malleus Inquisitor, the new acolyte sprue, and a squad of Grey Knights.
That requires a just a single new model we haven't seen (unless they reused the limited Malleus Inquisitor model) and feels like the amount of effort GW could bring themselves to muster for Agents.
Hah, I got excited about the MTO for Orks, but I have all of those models already! My Kommandos have always been those original metals, and my Deff Dreads are also the 3e metals. And of course, the metal nobs were the only way to get a Waagh banner for ages.
might also just be speculation as with Russ coming end of 10th that SW get a focus in 11th and must be against Orks because of the last Ragnar story
Just to temper expectations the SW vs Orks focus doesn't necessarily need to be the big launch box focus. It would actually make more sense if its more of a lore focus that comes after whatever is the big one for the launch.
Since Orks already got a big refresh last edition they wouldn't really need another big one from a launch set, at least other factions would need it more. And while there will of course be Space Marines in the launch set its unlikely to be SW as they always did vanilla marines for launch sets since 8th. Something like Dark Angels this edition where Leman Russ appears at the end of 10th and then a refresh wave as one of the early codexes makes more sense. And the "vs Orks" part could just be lore or a vs-boxset
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?
Not even a year, right?
still only ten months in (which is why i find all the fatalism about the edition being unsalvageable a bit shortsighted)
If the issues that mean the edition is viewed as "unsalvageable" are core elements of the edition, then they're unlikely to be changed without an edition change.
Codex or datasheet issues might be looked at before then, but something like "No, upgrades don't cost points" or "No, you can't buy additional models individually" is very unlikely to be changed outside of an edition change.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?
Not even a year, right?
still only ten months in (which is why i find all the fatalism about the edition being unsalvageable a bit shortsighted)
If the issues that mean the edition is viewed as "unsalvageable" are core elements of the edition, then they're unlikely to be changed without an edition change.
Codex or datasheet issues might be looked at before then, but something like "No, upgrades don't cost points" or "No, you can't buy additional models individually" is very unlikely to be changed outside of an edition change.
Different people are going to view different things as having differing levels of importance/impact.
Those two were ones I picked as examples of elements that would be very unlikely to be changed/fixed without an edition change, that's all. If you've been having such conversations about the edition being unsalvagable, I'm sure you've got other examples.
For me, the two examples were stupid changes. You, for some reason, think they were good changes. I'm not going to claim to know what proportion of the community would lean either way.
Dysartes wrote: Different people are going to view different things as having differing levels of importance/impact.
Those two were ones I picked as examples of elements that would be very unlikely to be changed/fixed without an edition change, that's all. If you've been having such conversations about the edition being unsalvagable, I'm sure you've got other examples.
For me, the two examples were stupid changes. You, for some reason, think they were good changes. I'm not going to claim to know what proportion of the community would lean either way.
codex and datasheet issues, as you said. i think codexes are the biggest issue with this edition (particularly, the struggle to make them feel meaningful), so if they can figure out, the edition can come back to being fine
I think k it's that blood angels are getting a battleforce launch box w new primaris sanguinary guard + sanguinor, and Emperors children are within the next year or so w new Fulgrim and Noise Marines (which is kinda obvious so not sure what the value of that one is).
Be nice if people would summarize that stuff instead of assuming we are all up to date w his rumors.
Blood Angels:
Boxset with their codex, Death Company themed box
- New Upgrade Sprue
- Jump Assault Intercessors (Not sure how many)
- Brutalis Dreadnought
- New Lemartes Model
also new Sanguinary Guard, new Sanguinary Priest, new Astorath, new Sanguinor
Space Wolves:
Apparently SW vs Orks focus in 11th edition, Nothing concrete yet but will also get a big refresh like DA and BA.
Leman Russ should be coming first at the end of this edition like the Lion in 9th, maybe together with EC?
Emperors Children:
No concrete models but will get their own codex like TS, DG, WE. Will be at the back end of the edition
Also Genestealers:
Genestealers getting a single psyker character that looks similar to the necromunda Delaque Psyker
Also getting a boxset with 2x Goliath Rockgrinders and an unspecified number of Neophytes and "Hulking Brutes" which he probably meant the Aberrants with. No specific information if the new HQ is in here but its very likely looking at every other box.
Sisters of battle:
Sister of Battle get a new Canoness with Jump Pack and the boxset will have Seraphim/Zephyrim and two tanks but no info which tank.
Grey Knights:
Getting a vehicle - heard it could be an upgraded baby carrier (please no)
Also Kaldor Draigo
Aeldari:
Asurman, Baharroth, Fuegan, new Warp Spiders lord
Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders
Astra Militarum:
big Krieg refresh
I'm sure I missed something but this should be the most important things for 40k
No rumours about World Eaters? Their half an army surely needs a ton of support.
might also just be speculation as with Russ coming end of 10th that SW get a focus in 11th and must be against Orks because of the last Ragnar story
Just to temper expectations the SW vs Orks focus doesn't necessarily need to be the big launch box focus. It would actually make more sense if its more of a lore focus that comes after whatever is the big one for the launch.
Since Orks already got a big refresh last edition they wouldn't really need another big one from a launch set, at least other factions would need it more. And while there will of course be Space Marines in the launch set its unlikely to be SW as they always did vanilla marines for launch sets since 8th. Something like Dark Angels this edition where Leman Russ appears at the end of 10th and then a refresh wave as one of the early codexes makes more sense. And the "vs Orks" part could just be lore or a vs-boxset
I don't think any faction after 10th will be leaning too heavily on old minis at that point, I think it'll leave drukhari with the oldest active range tied with grey knights and chunks of daemons, but as we know grey knights won't get in a launch box....
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Interesting that he's already hearing rumors about 11th (!!) edition. Where are we with 10th? 1 year in? Year and half?
Not even a year, right?
still only ten months in (which is why i find all the fatalism about the edition being unsalvageable a bit shortsighted)
If the issues that mean the edition is viewed as "unsalvageable" are core elements of the edition, then they're unlikely to be changed without an edition change.
Codex or datasheet issues might be looked at before then, but something like "No, upgrades don't cost points" or "No, you can't buy additional models individually" is very unlikely to be changed outside of an edition change.
shrug. i still think those were good changes
Strong disagree.
When points AND power coexisted, it wasn't a big deal. If you prefer power levels, use them. If you prefer points, use them.
But restricting it to just power really grates on me.
If 11th edition is slated for 2026 in GW's current "three year cycle," I wonder what the big summer push will be in 2025?
The Old World got a softer launch than many expected in terms of hype and starter support. I expect it would be Horus Heresy, but they do so many launch boxes that it takes a bit of the punch out of the hype – replacing the Age of Darkness box would make sense, but are there enough players to warrant a rules rewrite so soon?
The Specialist Games Studio titles have never got new editions every three years so I doubt that will happen, they will probably just aim to do bunch of big army launches. Maybe some boxed games - Space Hulk is bound to come back at some point and is basically free money for GW, and they are probably at a place now they can finally sell you expensive plastic corridors to play it on and we will buy those (and I would). Battlefleet Gothic keeps knocking around as a rumour etc.
If GW were really hard pushing Old World they could do that with a soft launch. A 0.5 edition perhaps shifting into Battletomes per army. But that would only be if they've got all the currently scheduled armies out and that's still a tall order for only a year and a half or so of release windows.
They've still got Kisleve and Cathay in the main book so there's every chances they could be some end-of-season big final release after all the older armies are done.
kodos wrote: as if GW ever cared what faction needs a refresh to decide which one gets new stuff
Except they do, as I say there's only 3 armies running off majority 5th ed kits or older now.
really?
how to they manage to have 20 year old kits in the line when the decision on updates is based on something like that
lets ignore Space Marines for now, but how is it possible to have 3 armies running on pre-6th Edition kits when armies running on post 6th Edi kits got their models already updated?
the decision is more based on what ranges are selling and which moulds are "end of life" rather than how old the models are or of the range itself needs an update
if the newer Ork moulds are worn out and the army being popular enough that GW expect more sales, they will get new models, if GW does not expect any sales and still has stock, another faction will get the production slot
age or design is not a factor on decisions just because there are 3 armies left with old kits does not mean any of that must get an update
kodos wrote: as if GW ever cared what faction needs a refresh to decide which one gets new stuff
Except they do, as I say there's only 3 armies running off majority 5th ed kits or older now.
really?
how to they manage to have 20 year old kits in the line when the decision on updates is based on something like that
lets ignore Space Marines for now, but how is it possible to have 3 armies running on pre-6th Edition kits when armies running on post 6th Edi kits got their models already updated?
the decision is more based on what ranges are selling and which moulds are "end of life" rather than how old the models are or of the range itself needs an update
if the newer Ork moulds are worn out and the army being popular enough that GW expect more sales, they will get new models, if GW does not expect any sales and still has stock, another faction will get the production slot
age or design is not a factor on decisions just because there are 3 armies left with old kits does not mean any of that must get an update
Which 6th ed+ kits have had a refresh? I can only think of chaos terminators off the top of my head.
Otherwise we'll have to agree to disagree, sales will be a factor but they're also responsive to people wanting updated minis and languishing ranges getting updates (see targeted refresh of older kits for sisters, crons, tyranids, guard, eldar, tau and chaos marines), or do you suppose it was chance the old core infantry keep getting revisited?
If Russ is coming back from the eye of terror, and end up fighting greenskins, someone need to write down the pompous prophecies about him returning for the great endtimes (sorry, Wolftime).
Would be a funny retcon though, "Oh, Russ have been here for a while now, its just that the orks know him as the savage ogre king that have inspiered the beast snaggas".
Apocalypse has been done every six years in 2007, 2013, 2019... so 2025?
Would be a good excuse to drop a bunch of expensive plastic centrepiece models again
I still believe in the plastic Thunderhawk. I've only waited for 17 years, what's a few more? :-P
Thunderhawk would be a massive investment in resources, but could probably carry a Marine wave on its own (or maybe a couple characters alongside) Plus later upgrade kits for chaos marines and subfactions, grey knights, and legion upgrades for Horus Heresy since it is iconic enough that it can play double duty across the two systems, even if GW is trying to distinguish them.
Or a Warhound titan, with a points drop in 40K to make it runnable, and rules adjustments in HH to make it actually shooty.
Alas, for all of its iconic status in many stories and descriptions, the Thunderhawk isn't that practical in game. The needs of gamers might be better served if they were to give us a plastic Mastodon or Astraeus instead, or a smaller flyer like a Fire Raptor (bonus points if they could redesign the Storm Raven while they were at it).
Or a Caestus. That's still one of my favorite Forge World designs.
Agamemnon2 wrote: Alas, for all of its iconic status in many stories and descriptions, the Thunderhawk isn't that practical in game. The needs of gamers might be better served if they were to give us a plastic Mastodon or Astraeus instead, or a smaller flyer like a Fire Raptor (bonus points if they could redesign the Storm Raven while they were at it).
Or a Caestus. That's still one of my favorite Forge World designs.
Storm Eagle/ Fire Raptor would be a nice HH kit once they get around to doing fliers for it. I can't see the Mastadon coming before the Felblade/Glaive though for HH, and the Astraeus is okish, but would take up nearly as much resources as a thunderhawk while being less iconic and having a lot less cross sales potential. And especially collectors.
If the storm raven gets redesigned/ replaced, can we trade out the dumb razor/sun shark fir a proper tau barracuda kit?
kodos wrote: as if GW ever cared what faction needs a refresh to decide which one gets new stuff
Except they do, as I say there's only 3 armies running off majority 5th ed kits or older now.
really?
how to they manage to have 20 year old kits in the line when the decision on updates is based on something like that
lets ignore Space Marines for now, but how is it possible to have 3 armies running on pre-6th Edition kits when armies running on post 6th Edi kits got their models already updated?
the decision is more based on what ranges are selling and which moulds are "end of life" rather than how old the models are or of the range itself needs an update
if the newer Ork moulds are worn out and the army being popular enough that GW expect more sales, they will get new models, if GW does not expect any sales and still has stock, another faction will get the production slot
age or design is not a factor on decisions just because there are 3 armies left with old kits does not mean any of that must get an update
Which 6th ed+ kits have had a refresh? I can only think of chaos terminators off the top of my head.
Otherwise we'll have to agree to disagree, sales will be a factor but they're also responsive to people wanting updated minis and languishing ranges getting updates (see targeted refresh of older kits for sisters, crons, tyranids, guard, eldar, tau and chaos marines), or do you suppose it was chance the old core infantry keep getting revisited?
Chaos Terminators were earlier than 6th, more like 4th or 5th editions. 6th edition brought Dinobots, Heldrake, Cultists and raptors.
Some of the failcast that got replaced might have been from 6th edition, like the Warpsmith.
I don’t think outside of Space Marines there have been renewels of plastic kits from 6th edition, yet. Edit: well, Cultists have, but they were ETB starter set models. (And got replaced by other ETB starter kit models ).
Fayric wrote: If Russ is coming back from the eye of terror, and end up fighting greenskins, someone need to write down the pompous prophecies about him returning for the great endtimes (sorry, Wolftime).
Would be a funny retcon though, "Oh, Russ have been here for a while now, its just that the orks know him as the savage ogre king that have inspiered the beast snaggas".
Automatically Appended Next Post: not super in love with what my armies got. genestealer goliaths going down a lot is nice because i use a lot of those which means i have an extra 100 or so points to fill up on, but custodes got barely any changes (despite it all being marked as such). blade champions down 10 and contemptors down 15 are the only ones i noticed
warcom wrote:Points costs across the Adeptus Mechanicus have dropped – but the Warhammer Studio are also testing a selection of rules changes to launch with the next Balance Dataslate that should tune up the Machine Cult’s legions and give them a shot in the cybernetic arm.
this stood out to me. really wonder what these rules updates are going to be, and if it can be enough to save admech
Would be a funny retcon though, "Oh, Russ have been here for a while now, its just that the orks know him as the savage ogre king that have inspiered the beast snaggas".
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