mega_bassist wrote: Go to Wal Mart and pick up a Mossberg 500. Boom! Trap gun
I swear that every country has more interesting super markets than Australia. In the UK (and maybe the US? Dunno, never been) You can just buy booze off the shelf at your local Tesco's it seems. And in the US you can buy guns. What do you get in Australia? Bread. Booooring.
Ruberu wrote: Not anymore in my area. Wal-Mart used to be the perfect one stop shop fo all ATF (alcohol tabacoo and firearms) needs, but now they don't sell guns.
yeah, they dont sell smokes up here either,
Id say they sell ammo, but I swear the SAME 10 boxes of wildcat hunting ammo has been on the shelf for a year now... no .22 or common calibers in sight other then the odd box of 30-06.
Now I feel like all that wal mart is good for is taking pictures of walmartians
I've got a breach loading double barrelled shotgun at home in Ireland, although it's registered to my uncle these days. Used to use it for shooting pheasants and ducks mostly!
Nice gun, nice short stock and I found it easy to bring to bear on any birds we scared up.
I own a Lemat revolver. I am a Civil War reeinactor, and it's use? Simply to be able to have a 9-shot 44 .cal revolver that also has an 8", 20 ga. shotgun barrel as a cylinder pin. If it was good enough for Jayne in Firefly, it's good enough for me!
Though I normally use a Stainless steel 1858 Remington 44cal. for target shooting. The stainless gives it the ease of cleaning up the black powder, and '58 Remingtons have nifty swap-out cylinders so I can have three of them loaded, and can exchange them in about twice the time it takes to use a modern speedloader, which was positively futuristic for back then.
I have thought about getting a Kirst Converter, which would enable me to use brass cowboy loads (thereby keeping it loaded without the damaging effects of raw black powder, and can be reloaded as fast as you would manually reload any modern revolver). A 38 special might be good for home defense, but so is a giant silver revolver that puts huge 44cal. holes in things, while emitting clouds of smoke and flame.
I had no idea there was a revolver that held 9 rounds, let alone one that... shoots buckshot?
Sometimes I think all the best innovations in killing people with flying pieces of metal are behind us. That's a sad thought.
The shot barrel is smoothbore, so I guess you could also fire a single supremely inaccurate solid ball round. Hell, you could even go whole hog and go buck-and-ball..........
Blame a French guy.
It's fun to shoot, just not to load, lol. Also it is one heavy chunk of steel. About 4 pounds, and the single-action hammer is kinda wierd to cock, as the mainspring is actually too strong for my thumb and the hammer is huge, so I have to kind of tilt the gun up and into my hand and use the meat/web of my thumb to draw the hammer back. So you can't really keep it on-target when you cock it. But pretty innovative because the front half of the hammer actually levers down to hit the cap for the shotgun barrel, which it otherwise rides over the top of when striking the ones on the revolver.
On the other hand, I absolutely love my Remington. It's been far too long since I fired it out at my parent's property.
You can't imagine how geeked I was when I realized Jayne used a Lemat prop, merely from seeing the scene where he was breaking it down for cleaning.
I haven't had a good chance to fire the shotgun barrel live(lots of specialty stuff needed for just a single use-item when I don't own any other blackpowder shotguns), but I can't imagine it would be any worse than a large-bore single-shot flintlock/caplock pistol. Some of those are 50-55 cal., and a 20ga. barrel will fit a 58cal. ball. Definitely a good time to use both hands, though.
But at the same time flintlock pistols were designed with the intentions that you've got a massive charge in the barrel, and they are quite hefty too which would help with the recoil. Most designs of shotgun enabled pistols have always seemed unbalanced for having such a large charge in the barrel. More of a "because I can" instead of "because its totally practical and won't injure my wrist"
The pistol likely wasn't designed from the ground up to handle the recoil of a shotgun. So yeah, definitely a good idea to use both hands.
Of course, "because I can" is a perfectly valid reason
I could Google it but I not. So how much my memory can remember. Wasn't the lemut intended for Confederate Cavalry? Only like 100 pistols made and issued? The "shotgun" blast was intended for the extra "UMPTH" in a Cav attack.
They were indeed sold to the Confederacy after being made in Europe. There were actually quite a few made (still small compared to other makes and models of revolver) but only a couple thousand made it through the Northern naval blockade to actually get into Confederate hands.
I'll have to try firing the secondary barrel sometime. It shouldn't be too bad considering the gun weighs a little over four pounds. Can't be any worse than a Colt Walker. Those were a pre-Civil War revolver that could hold a powder charge in each cylinder so big that they were considered the most powerful revolver all the way up until the first "Magnums" were invented in this century. Almost as many grains as some rifles.
I really wish the scrolling + engraving, and the over the top art that went into historical arms had more of a showing now a days.
Im shocked at how MUCH old stuff has all the fancy stuff done to it, but today, there wont even be mass produced etching/engraving/ect avaiable out side of custom work,
perhaps that has something to do with it ALL being custom work back then,
But I cannot be the only one who misses that extra aesthetic "style" the older guns have.
I dont miss them functionally of course, but I would buy in a second a modern semi auto that had been embelished/engraved/art-ified up into a functional work of art.
GOOD FIREFLY REFERENCE!
lots of good civil war references in that show too... oh god, now I have to forget it happened so I dont fall into pining for a 2nd season.
easysauce wrote: I really wish the scrolling + engraving, and the over the top art that went into historical arms had more of a showing now a days.
Im shocked at how MUCH old stuff has all the fancy stuff done to it, but today, there wont even be mass produced etching/engraving/ect avaiable out side of custom work,
perhaps that has something to do with it ALL being custom work back then,
But I cannot be the only one who misses that extra aesthetic "style" the older guns have.
I dont miss them functionally of course, but I would buy in a second a modern semi auto that had been embelished/engraved/art-ified up into a functional work of art.
When they do this kind of things to Glocks, I can't help but think it looks like something you would confiscate from a Mexican drug dealer.
well... that would be nice on a 1911, or a S&W, but glocks are just ugly...
nothing you do to a glock makes it look better, in fact, you can only make them uglier...
Glock is the most overated gun IMO... horrible grip aesthetics, horrible trigger... but enough people like em so, hey, less people to compete with me for all the stuff I like right!?
easysauce wrote: I really wish the scrolling + engraving, and the over the top art that went into historical arms had more of a showing now a days.
Im shocked at how MUCH old stuff has all the fancy stuff done to it, but today, there wont even be mass produced etching/engraving/ect avaiable out side of custom work,
perhaps that has something to do with it ALL being custom work back then,
But I cannot be the only one who misses that extra aesthetic "style" the older guns have.
I dont miss them functionally of course, but I would buy in a second a modern semi auto that had been embelished/engraved/art-ified up into a functional work of art.
When they do this kind of things to Glocks, I can't help but think it looks like something you would confiscate from a Mexican drug dealer.
Pretty sure that one WAS confiscated from a drug dealer...
Ended up buying a S&W SD9 VE today. I've played around with it a couple of times and I've enjoyed shooting it. Been meaning to pick up a 9mm carry gun and the reviews I've looked at seem to think that it is a good balance between economy and quality.
About an inch longer, ~0.3 inches wider, ~4 oz heavier (without ammo, so the greater capacity will make an impact there). It's definitely an IWB or OWB carry gun IMO. I don't know that I would try to pocket carry that thing, but that's what I have the LCP for.
I think the price difference is around $100-150 depending on where you look. The Shield is pretty nice, and down the line I'll probably pick up something in that size to bridge the gap between the LCP and the SD9 VE
d-usa wrote: Ended up buying a S&W SD9 VE today. I've played around with it a couple of times and I've enjoyed shooting it. Been meaning to pick up a 9mm carry gun and the reviews I've looked at seem to think that it is a good balance between economy and quality.
Those are very nice, extremely reliable pistols, Ive sold quite a few. Trigger isnt for me though.
The trigger is the only, through frequent, complaints I have really heard about with this gun. I haven't had any issues with it though. I think there were similar complaints about a hard/long pull with the trigger of the LCP, and I've never replaced that trigger either. So I'm probably just used to triggers like that.
I with you on this one D-usa, S&W quality is still top notch, I really cant think of another company that has put out such highe quality so consitently.
Makes me a bit jelly I cant buy anything with less then a 4.5" barrel :(
The SD9 VE is 4 inches, I don't know how I would comfortable carry something with 4.5. That would suck.
I'm sitting around the house OCing for a couple of days to get used to the new holster and weight of this thing, it's certainly a step up from a pocket gun.
CptJake wrote: I always found the M9 about the easiest weapon to shoot expert with on the qualification popup range.
In a shoulder rig over your nomex tanker suit is one thing, but it is way too big for a civilian carry piece.
Genghis Connie loves hers (mine until it was cruelly appropriated by the gyno gifted members of the family). Once she killed a whole passel of pumpkins with one just to watch them die.
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d-usa wrote: The SD9 VE is 4 inches, I don't know how I would comfortable carry something with 4.5. That would suck.
I'm sitting around the house OCing for a couple of days to get used to the new holster and weight of this thing, it's certainly a step up from a pocket gun.
4inches? Interesting. The M&Pc is 3.8inches and I occasionally take that to competition.
SDs get complaints about the trigger in a big way but if you're fine with it then there's nothing wrong with that piece. Remember you need a quality belt to dsitrubte the weight. A REAL gunbelt not something crappo. I'd suggest Beltmen's, Galco, and CompTac as three options just off the top of my head.
May 24th Texas State IDPA! Its in injun country (Dallas) this year.
d-usa wrote: The trigger is the only, through frequent, complaints I have really heard about with this gun. I haven't had any issues with it though. I think there were similar complaints about a hard/long pull with the trigger of the LCP, and I've never replaced that trigger either. So I'm probably just used to triggers like that.
1911s have spoiled me on its triggers. The LCP is a mouse gun, meant more for arms length range. I dont mind a trigger like that on a small pistol as Im not looking to shoot it for distance.
SDs get complaints about the trigger in a big way but if you're fine with it then there's nothing wrong with that piece.
It would probably bother me more if I were had to switch between different guns more often.
Remember you need a quality belt to dsitrubte the weight. A REAL gunbelt not something crappo. I'd suggest Beltmen's, Galco, and CompTac as three options just off the top of my head.
I'll have to look into those. I've been using my old duty belt from the fire department and it has served me pretty well. It was made to carry tools and such, so it works well for a holster.
d-usa wrote: The trigger is the only, through frequent, complaints I have really heard about with this gun. I haven't had any issues with it though. I think there were similar complaints about a hard/long pull with the trigger of the LCP, and I've never replaced that trigger either. So I'm probably just used to triggers like that.
1911s have spoiled me on its triggers. The LCP is a mouse gun, meant more for arms length range. I dont mind a trigger like that on a small pistol as Im not looking to shoot it for distance.
You have to watch those 1911 triggers. I knew one fellow had a 1911 tuned down to about five ounces. Thats not a great deal more than the weight of your finger on the trigger.
d-usa wrote: 5 oz is pretty flimsy, I would have to have something like that on a Safe Action trigger
I kept my M&Pc at 6lb for that. In his defense this was purely a competition piece. I don't see how he shoots a pistol like that. I was putting rounds into the dirt for a two weeks before I could get zeroed in on my 3 lb trigger, now the 6lb feels like I'm trying to squeeze steel.
d-usa wrote: The SD9 VE is 4 inches, I don't know how I would comfortable carry something with 4.5. That would suck.
I'm sitting around the house OCing for a couple of days to get used to the new holster and weight of this thing, it's certainly a step up from a pocket gun.
Im able to comfortably carry a full size 1911 in an IWB holster, but you have to have the body shape/height for it. Those with a bit more girth seem to have issues in comfortably CC a full size pistol. OWB doesnt present much issue though. A good stiff gunbelt is required either way. Crossbreed makes some nice belts. I use a custom made belt from a local Amish family my inlaws are friendly/distantly related to.
d-usa wrote: The trigger is the only, through frequent, complaints I have really heard about with this gun. I haven't had any issues with it though. I think there were similar complaints about a hard/long pull with the trigger of the LCP, and I've never replaced that trigger either. So I'm probably just used to triggers like that.
1911s have spoiled me on its triggers. The LCP is a mouse gun, meant more for arms length range. I dont mind a trigger like that on a small pistol as Im not looking to shoot it for distance.
You have to watch those 1911 triggers. I knew one fellow had a 1911 tuned down to about five ounces. Thats not a great deal more than the weight of your finger on the trigger.
Four pounds is the lightest Id want to go with a defensive weapon. My hunting rifles and race guns are lower, but not my defensive pistols or ARs: I dont want something to go off if im jostling around much.
d-usa wrote: The SD9 VE is 4 inches, I don't know how I would comfortable carry something with 4.5. That would suck.
I'm sitting around the house OCing for a couple of days to get used to the new holster and weight of this thing, it's certainly a step up from a pocket gun.
Im able to comfortably carry a full size 1911 in an IWB holster, but you have to have the body shape/height for it. Those with a bit more girth seem to have issues in comfortably CC a full size pistol. OWB doesnt present much issue though. A good stiff gunbelt is required either way. Crossbreed makes some nice belts. I use a custom made belt from a local Amish family my inlaws are friendly/distantly related to.
I'm lucky that my gut all extends to the front, and I don't have the Dunlap going on the sides
d-usa wrote: I did get the spring kit to take the trigger down to 5 lbs, but I'm not sure I want to to that route...
I would highly recommend a 5 lb pull. I've found 5 lb pulls to be optimum for a practical pistol trigger pull in the real world (TM).
The kit was pretty cheap, only around $25 or so. I don't have the tools to mess with it though, so it would probably be another small expense to have a gun-smith install them. It I do that it would probably just have them adjust the sights and everything else while they are at it.
d-usa wrote: The SD9 VE is 4 inches, I don't know how I would comfortable carry something with 4.5. That would suck.
I'm sitting around the house OCing for a couple of days to get used to the new holster and weight of this thing, it's certainly a step up from a pocket gun.
Im able to comfortably carry a full size 1911 in an IWB holster, but you have to have the body shape/height for it. Those with a bit more girth seem to have issues in comfortably CC a full size pistol. OWB doesnt present much issue though. A good stiff gunbelt is required either way. Crossbreed makes some nice belts. I use a custom made belt from a local Amish family my inlaws are friendly/distantly related to.
I'm lucky that my gut all extends to the front, and I don't have the Dunlap going on the sides
Yeah, no, I dont have a gut LOL. But Im not as fast as I used to be, age is wearing out the joints.
It doesn't look like it would be that hard to change everything out, but just like the brakes on my car there are some things that I like to leave to the specialists
Did you guys know it was unlawful to carry a firearm into a post office, even with a CCW? I did not. (there wasn't an incident, just randomly came across it).
d-usa wrote: It has a mini-rail, can I just get a tacticool laser?
I wish mine did, I would have liked to add a light to it.
Ouze wrote: Did you guys know it was unlawful to carry a firearm into a post office, even with a CCW? I did not. (there wasn't an incident, just randomly came across it).
d-usa wrote: It has a mini-rail, can I just get a tacticool laser?
I wish mine did, I would have liked to add a light to it.
Ouze wrote: Did you guys know it was unlawful to carry a firearm into a post office, even with a CCW? I did not. (there wasn't an incident, just randomly came across it).
d-usa wrote: It has a mini-rail, can I just get a tacticool laser?
I wish mine did, I would have liked to add a light to it.
Falls under "federal facility" doesn't it?
Yep, annoys the snot out of me when I have to run and mail something. It is either risk a federal weapon violation or deal with unholstering in the vehicle and stuffing it under the seat.
And of course, if I'm on my bike, option 2 disappears.
Ouze wrote: Did you guys know it was unlawful to carry a firearm into a post office, even with a CCW? I did not. (there wasn't an incident, just randomly came across it).
Ouze wrote: Did you guys know it was unlawful to carry a firearm into a post office, even with a CCW? I did not. (there wasn't an incident, just randomly came across it).
d-usa wrote: It has a mini-rail, can I just get a tacticool laser?
I wish mine did, I would have liked to add a light to it.
Falls under "federal facility" doesn't it?
Yep, annoys the snot out of me when I have to run and mail something. It is either risk a federal weapon violation or deal with unholstering in the vehicle and stuffing it under the seat.
And of course, if I'm on my bike, option 2 disappears.
Have them come pick it up for you. USPS will pick up shipments from your home now. We do it on maybe half of the stuff we mail out.
Until they see a turtle in your yard. Then they will federalize your porch and take your dogs!
Decided to go ahead and get the trigger modified and took it to the gun smith at my local range. 30 minutes later and now it has a pretty nice trigger pull.
Shot 100 rounds through the gun after I had it adjusted without any failures. Consistently missed low and left, but was able to correct that by working on my trigger pull with the new setup. I'm guessing a couple more trips to the range and I should have it dialed in.
Ruger 10/22. First gun I bought, and the last one I will ever get rid of. It's simple, dependable, and cheap. And most models (if not all) come with a weaver rail on top for optics if you ever felt the need to shoot the wings off a fly at 80 yards
Shes seen and held it, and loves the rainbow pattern, but isnt a fan of the "bland" grips. All attempts to convince her I can replace them have failed. But she may just get one anyway due to the fact that our local gun shop has 3 of them in stock.
Shes seen and held it, and loves the rainbow pattern, but isnt a fan of the "bland" grips. All attempts to convince her I can replace them have failed. But she may just get one anyway due to the fact that our local gun shop has 3 of them in stock.
So, this is sort of within the bounds of this thread (if not, I politely withdraw to ask elsewhere).
How much am I looking at to get started with reloading? I'm not looking for the absolute cheapest, just a round figure of what tools I need presuming I am going to buy quality. Lets say just 45 ACP for now. I know very little about it, other than I need power, bullets, primers, brass, a tumbler to clean the brass, and... some kind of dies.... or something? What's it cost to get the foot in the door?
My father just started. He bought a machine that does all pistol calibers, and some very limited rifle. He figured the math, and I think it was around the 1,000 round mark, it paid itself off. May have been more, just spitballing. But if you're a heavy shooter, it's worth the money. If your not throwing several hundred rounds a week, it might not be worth your effort.
The machine and equipment though, probably $500 or so to get it all rolling.
I got set up in 3 diff calibers for about 100 bucks with the lee basic reloader set, about 25-30$ per kit, each kit supports one caliber.
I still use my lee loader for stuff like 30-06 where I only need a few rounds every so often, its perfectly accurate and very adjustable, just slower. again, super cheap.
bonus pts because you get to freak people out when you use a hammer to reload!
my advice, is if you actually want to shoot a lot, dont get a stand alone single stage press.
yes, its sort of "easier" to learn on, and yes, its cheaper, but its sooooo slooooooooooowwwwww... and after the first 10 bullets, you will be wishing you had something faster that you dont always have to change the set up on for each stage of reloading. so not only is the progressive faster, it tends to be more accurate as less chance for stuff to wiggle around between stages.
from personal experience, dont waste money on a single stage, just watch you tube vids and skip to a progressive press, manual index, so that you dont waste $ and time on a single stage that doesnt really do the job as well.
getting a manual indexing 4 stage press will crank out lots of rounds per hour, only set you back about 600$ or so with one set of dies (they are ~80-100$ per die set, you need one die per caliber, it can do pretty much every caliber ever)
It comes with the powder thrower(measurer) which is a must have IMO
dillon is the best brand of manual indexer IMO.
basic lee loader here,
I can get ~60 rounds and hour on it
dillon
I can get about 1500 rounds an hour on this if I have everything prepped and ready to go.
dillon is also awesome, lifetime warranty, simple to use, great customer support.
Ouze wrote: Thanks guys. Food for thought. I don't think I shoot enough to justify it immediately, but long term... probably.
I certainly don't, yet. So I just leech off my father for now. He's going to bring me about 400 rounds of 9mm next time he visits and that should last me a while. Being stationed with the Army now, I'm going to be shooting my service weapons a lot more, so should fill me "need" to make things go bang pretty well.
The pistol, a .22, is a Chinese manufactured copy of the official Olympic shooting pistol. It's strictly for target shooting, which I did competitively when I was a kid.
The three rifles are:
Ruger Model 10/22. A nice .22 carbine with telescopic scope. Good for shooting squirrels, target shooting, that sort of thing.
Remington Model 03-A3 .30-06. Good, solid hunting rifle. Bolt action.
M1-Garand .30-06. The rifle that defeated the Nazis. This one was carried in Normandy by my grandfather. Still has the original bayonet, and fires like a charm.
The pistol, a .22, is a Chinese manufactured copy of the official Olympic shooting pistol. It's strictly for target shooting, which I did competitively when I was a kid.
Ouze wrote: Thanks guys. Food for thought. I don't think I shoot enough to justify it immediately, but long term... probably.
I certainly don't, yet. So I just leech off my father for now. He's going to bring me about 400 rounds of 9mm next time he visits and that should last me a while. Being stationed with the Army now, I'm going to be shooting my service weapons a lot more, so should fill me "need" to make things go bang pretty well.
It's also about quality though. If you're reloading blasting ammo it probably isn't worth the time investment. But if you want to crank out match ammo for your bolt action, the cost savings are huge, and you can develop a load that is designed specifically for your rifle.
TBH I didn't get into reloading until I started shooting bolt action. The thought of reloading pistol ammo makes me cringe.
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djones520 wrote: Ok, so the Army absolutely sold me on Red Dots. Anyone know some good but cheap ones that I could purchase?
Primary Arms seems to be the best cheapie red dot.
djones520 wrote: Ok, so the Army absolutely sold me on Red Dots. Anyone know some good but cheap ones that I could purchase?
Check along 41A, I think Tennessee Gun Country, Allen's or Kentucky Gun/Knife may be able to help... Beyond that, the Franklin Gun shop down by Nashville or Whittaker Guns up in Owensboro, KY are sure bets to get decent priced red dots. (both Franklin and Whittaker guns are fething MAASSSSSSIIVE, if you can put up with the drive)
djones520 wrote: Ok, so the Army absolutely sold me on Red Dots. Anyone know some good but cheap ones that I could purchase?
good but cheap?
if you like red dots, youll love holographic red dots... finer dot, and you can look through the glass at any angle and your point of impact lines up with the dot no matter what.
I have had one last me almost 5 years now, excellent durability and accuracy, cheap as heck.
comes with built in irons on top too, so no messing around with a 2nd set that costs 70+$, and no co witnessing BS
it has a great small dot and enough variability on the settings that its not useless past 250 like most red dots are, and I find the T mark with the dot inside is great for hold overs and windage.
I can keep both eyes fully open, and the holo red dot stays in focus, its the absolute bees knees for CQB type stuff,
I have had ncstar and primary arms red dots break after a few shots, I honestly dont think they are worth the $ IMO
Also you have to buy an adapter to get those to the height you need on an AR to properly account for the parralax effect, with the bushnell I linked its already at the correct height, so might actually be cheaper then the others+ adapter
M1-Garand .30-06. The rifle that defeated the Nazis. This one was carried in Normandy by my grandfather. Still has the original bayonet, and fires like a charm.
my goodness... I am extremely jelly... garands are awesome, and canadian! but to have one your grand pappy actually carried with him is a treasure, never EVER sell that! not that you would OFC, but dont!
The pistol, a .22, is a Chinese manufactured copy of the official Olympic shooting pistol. It's strictly for target shooting, which I did competitively when I was a kid.
That seems like a fun deal, was it?
Yeah, it was. I started when I moved down to New Mexico to live with my dad when I was about 8 and did it til I was 12 and moved back to Seattle, where gun culture is pretty nonexistent. Won a few ribbons and a trophy or two. That's actually how I got into warhammer. Needed a new hobby. I'm still a pretty decent shot and can embarrass most of my friends when we go to the range. I just moved back to a rural area after twenty years of living in the city, so I'm really hoping to get back into shooting. I just need to figure out where people around here go to shoot without paying range fees.
So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.
Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.
Project 2: RIA+ Program - Not a full project so to speak, I have a couple hundred hours of gunsmithing (approximately 100 guns worth) of "actual" gunsmithing to do before I can start my final project weapon, I can however work on my own weapons which will include taking my RIA 1911A1 and upgrading it with some VERY sexy parts from Wilson Combat to include a WC Match trigger, combat extended safety, skeletonized hammer, match grade barrel AND most importantly dovetail high vis sights to replace the old school blade sights my baby has on there now.
Project 3: This is my final project and I have plenty of freedom in how it gets done. To that end it's going to be a Cooper style scout rifle in .308 based on the Rem 700 short action with a timany trigger (assuming I can find one), a mod so I can feed my .308 magazines, iron sights with a relief scope mounted forward of the action, and a wooden stock I'm going to carve in the Dragunov style. Action will be pillared and glass bedded. If I do it right the rifle will be less than 1 meter in length, and less than 3 kilograms in weight. That restriction may make me switch to a "plastic" stock, but I think the wood cutouts for the Dragunov style stock should save enough weight in theory.
Ouze wrote: So, this is sort of within the bounds of this thread (if not, I politely withdraw to ask elsewhere).
How much am I looking at to get started with reloading? I'm not looking for the absolute cheapest, just a round figure of what tools I need presuming I am going to buy quality. Lets say just 45 ACP for now. I know very little about it, other than I need power, bullets, primers, brass, a tumbler to clean the brass, and... some kind of dies.... or something? What's it cost to get the foot in the door?
Yeah, if I do go in to it that would be where I'm going. That video that Easysauce linked (thanks btw) has me sold. I don't think I have the startup capital at this moment but it's definitely on the list.
Ouze wrote: Yeah, if I do go in to it that would be where I'm going. That video that Easysauce linked (thanks btw) has me sold. I don't think I have the startup capital at this moment but it's definitely on the list.
my pleasure!
The dillon 550 manual index 4 stage is what I have right now, and I canot say enough good things about it.
my only other advice is to start hoarding brass and such now, and maybe find sources of primers and powder as primers seem to be ok to find, but I havnt been able to pick up a new keg of bullseye powder for over a year now... severe shortage of powder up here :(
also, cleaning wise, stainless steel tumblers are the way to go if I was starting over, buy the pins once and done, and it gets things sooooo much cleaner then tumbling in corck/shellse/whatever as well as reducing the chance that some of your tubling medium will get stuck in the case.
my cost saveings went from ~40-50 cents a shot for .45acp to ~8cents a shot, so its paid for its self after only a year of steel challenges and 3gun.
How hard is it to get to say Federal Gold Dot kind of accurate (aka FBI rated defensive rounds). A big factor for me is accuracy. I want more accurate rounds. Becuase clearly its my crappy ammo and not my inherent John Wayne like accuracy that is making me miss.
Just finished filling out the paperwork to get a permit to purchase a handgun... In 3 to 6 months I'll actually be able to buy one... I'm thinking about purchasing a 1911, and recommended brans?
Catyrpelius wrote: Just finished filling out the paperwork to get a permit to purchase a handgun... In 3 to 6 months I'll actually be able to buy one... I'm thinking about purchasing a 1911, and recommended brans?
I like in New Jersey in a town that doesn't have it's own police force. This meens that I need to go through the State Police for permits and things... They take forever...
I've already got a firearms ID card, which lets me buy long guns in the state but ever time I buy a pistol I need to apply for a new pistol permit...
I own alot of long guns but I looking to pickup my first (non- .22 revolver) pistol and I've got no real idea what I want.
How hard is it to get to say Federal Gold Dot kind of accurate (aka FBI rated defensive rounds). A big factor for me is accuracy. I want more accurate rounds. Becuase clearly its my crappy ammo and not my inherent John Wayne like accuracy that is making me miss.
took me about 4 "tries" to fine tune my stuff,
Its much, MUCH more accurate then things like UMC brand, and still more accurate then gold dot.
If I put my 45 in a rest at about 5 meters, and each hole isnt inside the first one, or at least mostly touching/overlapping (barring wind OFC) I would be dissapointed.
Depending on how much fine tuning you do, and how anal you are about things, your reloads have the potential to be on par or better then the best factory made match ammo.
For matches, Ill even separate cases, bullets, so that each component is exactly the same size/weight as the others, then load it all, then check weight and size again, and separate out again.
match ammo is great, but its still generic, there are a lot of things you can do to specifically tailor your ammo to your particular gun, for instance, I seat the bullet at a different setting on my M&P then I do the 1911, and the difference is "noticable" to a super anal reloader like me.
you also wont get the variations between batches like you will buying match ammo from different production times.
The fact that i only blow a couple bucks a clip instead of 5$ a clip also improves my accuracy, because Im more relaxed about it too!
My plan is the same powder, same primers (CCI), Starline brass, and work up the optimum bullet/powder combo (probably bayou bullets buy local!), both for my M&P but a consistent general round as the the family shoots 9mm and we have some family friends who want rounds.
djones520 wrote: Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.
Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store
Illinois just has that 3 day waiting period, that is really a 4 day period. Which was still annoying as hell. I love it here in Tennessee/Kentucky. I go right to the Post Exchange, hand them cash, and they hand me a gun. Just like back home in Michigan.
djones520 wrote: Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.
Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store
If you live in a town that has it's own police force it's not that bad, their pretty quick and if you catch someone on a good day you can get the permit almost right away. The real problems start when you need to go through the state police.
I like in New Jersey in a town that doesn't have it's own police force. This meens that I need to go through the State Police for permits and things... They take forever...
I've already got a firearms ID card, which lets me buy long guns in the state but ever time I buy a pistol I need to apply for a new pistol permit...
I own alot of long guns but I looking to pickup my first (non- .22 revolver) pistol and I've got no real idea what I want.
Wow thats crazy. Christie is off my list for potential candidates.
To the topic: what is the use for? DO you have a local range that rents guns? If not can you go to a civilized state like Virginia and rent some pistols to try out?
This will save you much pain and effort.
Have you shot pistol before?
djones520 wrote: Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.
Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store
If you live in a town that has it's own police force it's not that bad, their pretty quick and if you catch someone on a good day you can get the permit almost right away. The real problems start when you need to go through the state police.
I like in New Jersey in a town that doesn't have it's own police force. This meens that I need to go through the State Police for permits and things... They take forever...
I've already got a firearms ID card, which lets me buy long guns in the state but ever time I buy a pistol I need to apply for a new pistol permit...
I own alot of long guns but I looking to pickup my first (non- .22 revolver) pistol and I've got no real idea what I want.
Wow thats crazy. Christie is off my list for potential candidates.
To the topic: what is the use for? DO you have a local range that rents guns? If not can you go to a civilized state like Virginia and rent some pistols to try out?
This will save you much pain and effort.
Have you shot pistol before?
Gun laws in NJ have been screwy long before Christie came to be... He's actually been pretty good about threatening to veto new gun laws that cross his desk.
I'm just looking for something thats fun to shoot. I've shot guns since I was a little little kid but it's pretty much been limited to long guns and black powder pistols. I was given a .22 cal pistol that I shoot at my house and I shot my dads Glock that fired 357 SIG.
There are ranges around me that rent guns but I'm not really a big fan. I've tried them before and the stuff they rent is crap.
djones520 wrote: Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.
Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store
If you live in a town that has it's own police force it's not that bad, their pretty quick and if you catch someone on a good day you can get the permit almost right away. The real problems start when you need to go through the state police.
Why not your county sheriff?
County Sherrif isn't the one that handels that around me. In NJ the Sherrif deals with the courts, everything else falls to either local police or the state police.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.
Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.
Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?
Also Caty is from a state that literally sounds like a living hell to me. I can't wait to get away from the East Coast again >.>;
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.
Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.
Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?
Also Caty is from a state that literally sounds like a living hell to me. I can't wait to get away from the East Coast again >.>;
I make alot more money here then I would anywhere else in the country...
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.
Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.
Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?
A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.
Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.
Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?
A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.
Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.
Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?
A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.
Dragons mate.
If your not planning on using it for actual hunting purposes, have at it. There is nothing in N. America I'd use that bullet on though. Only a few things in Africa that I would.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.
Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.
Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?
A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.
Dragons mate.
There's a man who took that whole Tremors movie to heart.
djones520 wrote: Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.
Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store
Illinois just has that 3 day waiting period, that is really a 4 day period. Which was still annoying as hell. I love it here in Tennessee/Kentucky. I go right to the Post Exchange, hand them cash, and they hand me a gun. Just like back home in Michigan.
Yeah, it's a 3-day wait after you buy it. I meant getting the FOID card itself takes forever.
Took me 6 months to get mine. I legally didn't need it to have my firearms since I am still a Michigan resident, but unless I wanted to drive to Missouri to buy ammo, I had to get it.
Nothing I enjoy more then waiting 6 months for a state to tell me I can bear arms. *rolls eyes*
djones520 wrote: Ok... good info. New Jersey is now off my list of states to ever live in.
Much truth. Hell, even Illinois isn't that bad. Albeit, it took me 3-4 months to get my FOID before I could even handle a firearm in a store
Illinois just has that 3 day waiting period, that is really a 4 day period. Which was still annoying as hell. I love it here in Tennessee/Kentucky. I go right to the Post Exchange, hand them cash, and they hand me a gun. Just like back home in Michigan.
around here,
You need not only your wifes permission to apply for the license,
you need your EX wifes permission, and two or three other referances
then 3-6 months later you might get your license, if you pass the BG check, and the fed police interview.
then when you do get your license, youll wait 1-2 weeks for them to approve the transfer, then maybe a week for them to mail you the registration.
theres also a hotline you can call, report any icensed gun owner by name, and have the cops inspect their home warrant free...
oh and the license costs about 70 bucks, the courses about 300 each (need two for pistols and AR's)
djones520 wrote: Canada amazes me. You guys have mooses and grizzly bears all over the damn place up there, and it's probably easier to win the lottery then get a gun.
yeah... luckily I had authorization for top secret stuff on my permanent record, my application went fairly smoothly,
its freaking stupid though, we cant carry AR's or pistols in the bush to hunt with , or for animal defence,
despite all that, ~20,000 peoples lifes are still saved from animals each year...
a fact that routinely gets ignored by anti gun types who refuse to acknowledge any benifit to having people own guns :(
a fact that routinely gets ignored by anti gun types who refuse to acknowledge any benifit to having people own guns :(
I would almost call it a fact that all anti-gun types are what we'd call "city slickers", the suburban soccer mom type who's most fierce danger is backing out of her parking space at the grocery store with 3 kids in the back seat... As such, most people who have never, or will never live and contend with the natural forces that people who do have to deal with them don't understand the concept. It's so foreign to them, that it is not a legitimate defense.
Catyrpelius wrote: Just finished filling out the paperwork to get a permit to purchase a handgun... In 3 to 6 months I'll actually be able to buy one... I'm thinking about purchasing a 1911, and recommended brans?
People seem to really like the Rock Island models a lot and they seem to deliver a lot of value for the money for a entry level 1911.
That being said, you have to go to a range that rents and try out a few. I had a list of things I wanted to buy, starting with 4 or 5 guns in .40, then a couple of different 1911s, and eventually I wound up getting a Taurus 1911 which was not on the list, which I had not considered just because it felt much more natural and comfortable in my hand then the others I had shot, barring a nice Les Baer that was far outside of my price range. The RIA just didn't feel quite right to me, but they seem to be good guns.
Note I'm not recommending Taurus. I have one, I like it a lot, and I've never really had a problem, but you either seem to get a great one or a lousy one, and their customer service is pretty poor if it's the latter... they're very inconsistent.
I'm finding these waiting periods really amusing, by the way. In Iowa if you plan things carefully, you can go from start to legal pistol in hand with concealed carry permit in about 2 or 3 hours, depending on driving time.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So I've been planning out my three big projects for gunsmithing school.
Project rifle 1: .456 Win Mag, Mauser Action, heavy barrel, wood stock, iron sights, tapped and drilled to take a scope. Internal magazine... probably will get three or four rounds in there if I'm lucky. This is set up as a dangerous game rifle. .456 Win Mag means I can take game just about any where in the world, and the Mauser action is a great one as a bolt gun for fast follow up shots and clearing malfunctions. I chose this as my first project rifle because it MUST be a traditional American bolt gun, and a big game rifle is not something I would purchase of my own accord.
Any feedback on this? I've never really done dangerous game or large game, so am I off base here?
A .456? Unless your planning on hunting Elephant, your talking overkill. I'd stick to the .300 calibers myself.
Dragons mate.
There's a man who took that whole Tremors movie to heart.
I fething love those movies. No shame.
and I'd totally use this rifle for one round put downs on Kodiaks, Alaskan Grizz and Moose. I don't feth around with moose, them fethers are scary when they're pissed.
In other news I will personally vouch for the RIA 1911 family, I trust one with my life every day and will continue to do so. Easily the best $350 I've ever spent, It's held up to torture tests using the nastiest soviet steel core ammo I could find and has chewed through it like a champ without a gripe. In my several thousand rounds fired I have had ONE failure and that was a stove pipe. I'll happily blame the ammo on that one. it was gakky ruskie steel case after all.
a fact that routinely gets ignored by anti gun types who refuse to acknowledge any benifit to having people own guns :(
I would almost call it a fact that all anti-gun types are what we'd call "city slickers", the suburban soccer mom type who's most fierce danger is backing out of her parking space at the grocery store with 3 kids in the back seat... As such, most people who have never, or will never live and contend with the natural forces that people who do have to deal with them don't understand the concept. It's so foreign to them, that it is not a legitimate defense.
Like Shannon Watts. It's funny how most of these sorts of activists only care when the middle class or middle-America suffers, damn the rest of the population
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: Also Caty is from a state that literally sounds like a living hell to me. I can't wait to get away from the East Coast again >.>;
California and New Jersey (with Connecticut coming a close third) are places that I hope never to set foot in
I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.
Ouze wrote: I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.
Well, one of the worse off states as far as gun control and being an unholy gak hole is Maryland... Damn near the only thing that could get me in there is Baltimore, and only because I want to do the Baseball Pilgrimage before I die... But Camden Yards is in Baltimore, a city where it would be all to easy to be caught DWW, and they have slowed gun laws, so I would be able to do nothing about it.
Ouze wrote: I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.
There is a difference between "can't set foot in", and hoping not to set foot in. Conflating the too is a little overdramatic.
My reasons for not wanting to visit California are many. The majority of my personal encounters with people from that State have turned me off it
Ouze wrote: I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.
Ouze wrote: I think it's a little overdramatic to decide you can't set foot in a state because of their gun laws. I've been to states with tight gun laws that were pretty awesome, and at least one state with some of the loosest gun laws in the country that completely sucked ass in nearly every imaginable respect. I can understand not wanting to live someplace with onerous regulation, but, I mean, unless you're, like, on the run from the mafia, it's more than a little weird to make that the deciding factor for even visiting.
Its the accent. It literally goes up my spine and makes me want to march of Washington or fire on a fort or something.
But hey I grew up when "damnyankee" was the official term for Northerners. It doesn't help that you have no concept of barbeque of quality Mexican food. How the hell does one live without Mexican food. Its...inhuman.
I was spending memorial day with my dad and family in Indiana and had a good time doing some shooting. As we were heading out my dad gave me a little going away present:
A little Herbert Schmidt Ostheim Model 21S, for both .22LR and .22M.
Nothing fancy, but he said it was the first gun he ever purchased for himself and he got it the year that I was born.
I scored a brick of .22LRs yesterday at Academy. I was there in search of pepper spray and somehow wandered into the guns section. Asked the gun dude on a lark if he had any and up he pops with a brick. I almost did my happy dance in the middle of the store.
Frazzled wrote: I scored a brick of .22LRs yesterday at Academy. I was there in search of pepper spray and somehow wandered into the guns section. Asked the gun dude on a lark if he had any and up he pops with a brick. I almost did my happy dance in the middle of the store.
Is .22LR hard to come by? I was at the somewhat local to me Cabelas last week and they had cases of the stuff.
Frazzled wrote: I scored a brick of .22LRs yesterday at Academy. I was there in search of pepper spray and somehow wandered into the guns section. Asked the gun dude on a lark if he had any and up he pops with a brick. I almost did my happy dance in the middle of the store.
Is .22LR hard to come by? I was at the somewhat local to me Cabelas last week and they had cases of the stuff.
Are you sure it was .22LR? Maybe the New Jersey mob is taking all the ammo and reselling it on Gunbroker? That would explain much.
While most ammo has returned to availability .22LR remains the mythic beast in retail stores.
easysauce wrote: LOL40k is cheap... guns are cheap too... its the ammo that does you in... imagine if every D6 you rolled cost you 25-50cents....
You're giving GM ideas
*strokes beard* brilliant... one shot dice. Hmmm that's just all about marketing. Single use dice.... Oh yes. I have an idea~! Quickly! To the Dynamic Investment Portfolio cave!
Frazzled wrote: I scored a brick of .22LRs yesterday at Academy. I was there in search of pepper spray and somehow wandered into the guns section. Asked the gun dude on a lark if he had any and up he pops with a brick. I almost did my happy dance in the middle of the store.
Is .22LR hard to come by? I was at the somewhat local to me Cabelas last week and they had cases of the stuff.
Are you sure it was .22LR? Maybe the New Jersey mob is taking all the ammo and reselling it on Gunbroker? That would explain much.
While most ammo has returned to availability .22LR remains the mythic beast in retail stores.
I'm sure it was. I even stopped at several local sporting gods stores around me, and both of them had plenty of Remington and Federal in stock for RRP.
Sounds like I need to rent a U-Haul, load it up and go for alittle road trip...
I did get to read some interesting articles and some odd conspiracty theorys though, made for an interesting time.
Frazzled wrote: I scored a brick of .22LRs yesterday at Academy. I was there in search of pepper spray and somehow wandered into the guns section. Asked the gun dude on a lark if he had any and up he pops with a brick. I almost did my happy dance in the middle of the store.
Is .22LR hard to come by? I was at the somewhat local to me Cabelas last week and they had cases of the stuff.
With the exception of one very small gun shop with a few boxes, I haven't seen .22LR in stores in Ohio since December 2012, and I was looking for it pretty regularly. I haven't been to any place that sells ammo in a few months though, so things might have changed recently.
easysauce wrote: LOL40k is cheap... guns are cheap too... its the ammo that does you in... imagine if every D6 you rolled cost you 25-50cents....
You're giving GM ideas
*strokes beard* brilliant... one shot dice. Hmmm that's just all about marketing. Single use dice.... Oh yes. I have an idea~! Quickly! To the Dynamic Investment Portfolio cave!
OT: I think the WWPD folks did a FoW tournament and fundraiser for wounded warriors: rerolls for sale at $1 each, benefits going to Wounded Warriors. I'm sure people were making it rain in there.
easysauce wrote: LOL40k is cheap... guns are cheap too... its the ammo that does you in... imagine if every D6 you rolled cost you 25-50cents....
You're giving GM ideas
*strokes beard* brilliant... one shot dice. Hmmm that's just all about marketing. Single use dice.... Oh yes. I have an idea~! Quickly! To the Dynamic Investment Portfolio cave!
OT: I think the WWPD folks did a FoW tournament and fundraiser for wounded warriors: rerolls for sale at $1 each, benefits going to Wounded Warriors. I'm sure people were making it rain in there.
...I am writing that down. That's freaking brilliant.
Finally getting my finger out and actually getting my license. Does anyone have experience with SMLE .303 rifles? I've found a couple for sale that really appeal to me, a large part because of the rifles' history, but I wanted to know a few things about them, and figured this might be an alright place to ask.
Heavy. Good action if the rifle's condition is decent. Go BOOM in really manly fashion. You may have the suddent desire to wade through some surf onto a French beach.
easysauce wrote: LOL40k is cheap... guns are cheap too... its the ammo that does you in... imagine if every D6 you rolled cost you 25-50cents....
You're giving GM ideas
*strokes beard* brilliant... one shot dice. Hmmm that's just all about marketing. Single use dice.... Oh yes. I have an idea~! Quickly! To the Dynamic Investment Portfolio cave!
OT: I think the WWPD folks did a FoW tournament and fundraiser for wounded warriors: rerolls for sale at $1 each, benefits going to Wounded Warriors. I'm sure people were making it rain in there.
For your consideration U.S. Congressman Charlie Wilson's Russian AKM rifle brought back to U.S. soil by Wilson himself after one of his numerous visits during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. At some point the weapons were officially acquired by the U.S. Government and placed on a Form 10 then becoming property of the United States Government government. Every weapon in the Wilson collection was a gift from someone of historical significance, signifying a specific historical event. This weapon is no exception and the brass plaque mounted on the buttstock is engraved memorializing the event.
This rifle could serve as the centerpiece in a museum of world history and artifacts as well satisfy the most avid collector. Directly connected with the secret war waged by the U.S. assisting the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to defeat the invading Russian's. Historically significant, coveted and appreciated are the weapons in the Wilson collection.
This particular weapon can be seen in the extra's section of the motion picture "Charlie Wilson's War" hanging in a glass display case behind Wilson in his office as he conducts official business along with some of the other weapons in his extensive "bring back" "battlefield pickup" "war relic" "war trophy" collection! After Wilson's retirement the weapons were acquired by a Texas museum where they resided until the passing of Wilson at which time it was decided they were no longer politically correct.
motyak wrote: Finally getting my finger out and actually getting my license. Does anyone have experience with SMLE .303 rifles? I've found a couple for sale that really appeal to me, a large part because of the rifles' history, but I wanted to know a few things about them, and figured this might be an alright place to ask.
Fired one a few times - but I'm a lefty and it gave me a few issues. It put pigs down pretty well, though. As you would expect. Turns rabbits inside out, though.
(I didn't go rabbitting with a .303 - we had .22s for that, but we spooked a pig on the way home. 22s would have just annoyed it).
Yeah I heard about Rolling Stone and hoped it was satire
The Rolling Stone "article" is an absurd embarrassment to journalism everywhere. It's always been waaaaaay too left leaning for me, but they at least used to pretend to be actual journalists.
So the top five most dangerous firearms in the US are (all) ruifles, pistols, shotguns, and derringers? I like how they talk about Glock part are showing a completely separate pistol.
Last I saw neither rifles nor Derringers were particularly dangerous.
mega_bassist wrote: Wow, that Stones article....was interesting. And to be totally honest, I don't know a single person (personally) who owns a Derringer.
The only people I've ever known who had, or knew someone (reliably... not just one of those "friend of a friend" type deals) who had a Derringer, it was seriously a collector or mantle piece type of item. Basically, they didn't own them as a "firing" weapon.
easysauce wrote: cheaper then dirt is a douche company dont buy from them, they gouge, have horrible service... I cant say enough bad stuff about them...
brownells usually has the same stuff but at a cheaper price and the service is actually good.
I hope ammo comes down a lot, but I wouldnt hold your breath.
22lr is still like frikkin hens teeth around here.
9mms are back to pre Obama pricing in many areas.
.22s are still strangely absent, but I foresee that changing soon. ON Gunbroker at least, there are few bids for over $40 now.
easysauce wrote: cheaper then dirt is a douche company dont buy from them, they gouge, have horrible service... I cant say enough bad stuff about them...
brownells usually has the same stuff but at a cheaper price and the service is actually good.
I hope ammo comes down a lot, but I wouldnt hold your breath.
22lr is still like frikkin hens teeth around here.
9mms are back to pre Obama pricing in many areas.
.22s are still strangely absent, but I foresee that changing soon. ON Gunbroker at least, there are few bids for over $40 now.
22lr is still like frikkin hens teeth around here.
It's just started to become available around here again. One of the biggest local shops still has a 2 box per person limit.
And that Rolling Stone article. Holy Frag. I like some stuff Rolling Stone does, but seriously? Pistols, revolvers, rifles, shotguns, derringers? So the five most dangerous guns in the US are basically the five most common types of guns that a civilian can legally own without an FFL? I notice they listed basically everything except muzzle loaders and fully automatic weapons. Nice.
Oh, and what is a semi-automatic, rapid fire weapon? Is that different than regular semi-automatic weapons? Or are there some alternate semi-automatic, slow fire weapons I just haven't heard about?
its scare tactics... same reason why every rifle is "high powered"
its just more of the same dishonest fear mongering tactics that the uninformed gobble up and gnash teeth over.
all rifles are assault and high powered, all pistols are high caliber/powered and easily concealed and glock go through airport scanners... just more BS piled on the old BS that no anti gunner fact checks, nor do they care that they are being deliberatly mis informed/used as usuful fools to further the anti gun agenda.
Comprehensive list of what I own, in order of purchase:
1. Rider BB gun. Trained on it as a kid. On occasion still use it for target practice and scaring deer out of my back yard (don't worry it doesn't even brake the skin at range)
2. Ruger 10-22 .22 carbine with scope. Got this for Christmas as a kid. Great rifle for the price. Use it for rabbit, pigeon, target practice. If I were to have only one rifle, this is it.
3. Winchester 1300 pump 12 gauge. Christmas present when I was 16. Great weapon. I use this for pheasant, duck, trap shooting, and Deer (No deer hunting with rifles in Iowa).
4. Ruger 10-22 stainless barrel with scope.
5. Ruger MkIII competition .22 pistol, stainless with 6.8 inch barrel. Most accurate pistol I own. Almost as accurate as my Ruger 10-22 carbine. Target shooting and rabbits, squirrel.
6. Taurus judge .410 shotgun/ .45 Long Colt pistol. 3 inch chamber, 6 inch barrel, stainless. Range gun, limited home defense, with birdshot makes an okay varmint gun
7. Springfield XDM .40. This is my winter-carry gun when I have a coat. Several 16-round mags and one 24 round expanded mag.
8. Taurus 709 slim 9mm. Summer carry gun when no coat. Pocket holster allows me to carry in my pocket while looking like a wallet bulge.
9 USFA Zip .22 pistol. Only gun I regret buying. HORRIBLE reliability, but shoots very accurately when it does work. I like that it can use Ruger 10-22 mags. Only cost $170, so no heartbreak. Range gun and toy.
10. Marlin 336 with scope. Although illegal to hunt deer in Iowa with a rifle, coyote is just fine to shoot with one.
11. Ruger Mini 30 Stainless, 7.62x39mm. Restocked with Pistol Grip, Forward pistol grip, Muzzle brake, Accu-strut, 1-6 power scope. Coyote, wild boar, rabbits.
12. Mosin Nagant 91-30. 7.62x54R. My most modified gun. Re-stocked with pistol grip, detachable box magazines, free floated barrel, muzzle brake, Durracoat finnish, Timney trigger, Rock solid scope mount, 6-24 power scope. This is my sniper rifle. To say it is accurate is an understatement. Not used for hunting yet, but plan on it.
13. Kel Tec PLR-16 5.56 Pistol. AFG2 Foregrip, barrel shroud, muzzle brake, aluminum trigger. This is a bug-out-bag, home defense, range gun.
14. Mossberg 500 cruiser. 20 inch barrel, 8 round capacity, gooseneck pistol grip. Home defense, range gun. If I put the shoulder stock on it I'd use it for pheasant or boar.
15. MPA30sst, Mac-11. 9mm pistol. muzzle brake and several 35 round mags. This is mostly just a fun-gun, but I am thinking of converting it into a rifle.
Frazzled wrote: Wo wo wo what did you do to that Nagant? How are you going to storm Berlin and defeat the Hitlerites with such a capitalist weapon?
I almost felt bad about defiling a war relic (Manufacured in 1944). However, it is not a rare model, and was in VERY good condition, so I am willing to bet it didn't see much if any action before being stored.
Oh mosin nagants, so awesome, yet so horrible at the same time.
little humour for you all.
AR-15 v.s. AK-47 v.s. Mosin-Nagant spoilered for length
Spoiler:
A very long internet classic:
AR15: You can pick off prairie dogs at 300 meters all day long
AK47: You can pick off a deer pretty easy at 300 meters
Mosin-Nagant: You get out of your truck, see an elk on top of a hill, and realize you really can use iron sights that far.
AR15: You measure your misses by sub MOA measurements
AK47: You miss and, and aim a bit lower this time.
Mosin-Nagant: Even if you miss the shockwave of the bullet will kill the animal.
AR15: You are careful to keep in clean in the field.
AK47: You don’t worry so much about some dirt getting in it.
Mosin-Nagant: It still has gritty grease inside it from when the Finnish army put it into storage.
AR15: Your bayonet will do an alright job of butchering your kill if needed.
AK47: The bayonet doubles as a decent hunting knife.
Mosin-Nagant: Your bayonet can be used to spit roast an entire pig.
AR15: Nice and light for carrying over obstructions.
AK47: Handy package for carrying over obstructions.
Mosin-Nagant: You can pole vault over obstructions.
AR15: Can’t run dry or you get seizure.
AK47: Can run dry, but may cause laquered ammo to stick in chamber.
Mosin-Nagant: Just handling the bolt gives it enough oil to operate smoothly.
Lots more after the break!
What your wife does after she finds out you spent the tax refund / stimulus payment on a -
AR15: She yells at you for spending the whole thing on a plastic varmint rifle.
AK47: She is disappointed at what an ugly rifle you spent half of it on.
Mosin-Nagant: She doesn’t even notice the Mosin-Nagant because of the diamond ring you got her with all the left over cash.
AR15: Melts IN the fire
AK47: Starts ON fire
Mosin-Nagant: Starts THE fire
AR15: With a custom barrel, Varmint Scope, and gunsmith trigger job, you can vaporize prairie dogs at 600 yards.
AK47: With a good rain, you can wait hidden in the mud at the side of a watering hole and wait for the game to come to you for a shot within 10 yards.
Mosin-Nagant: With a solid shooting position, you can hit that deer on the other side of the valley… and recover the bullet in the tree it was standing in front of.
AR15: You can buy 100 round magazines that require dry-carbon lubricant.
AK47: You can do push-ups on your 30 round steel mag (Saw this in a SPETSNATZ documentary).
Mosin-Nagant: You can use the buttstock to pound in a tent stake and if you don’t have tent stakes, the bayonet will work as one.
AR-15: Carried by elite special forces and highly-trained American soldiers
AK-47: Carried by illiterate peons and unwilling conscripts.
Mosin-Nagant-Nagant: Carried by Vassily Zaitsev.
AR15: Might just stop that charging terrorist with a three round burst
AK47: Would stop the terrorist in his tracks
Mosin-Nagant: Would stop the charging terrorist, his three buddies, and blow up the IED in the next block from the shockwave of the bullet…
AR15: Shoots a .22.
AK47: Shoots a carbine round.
Mosin-Nagant: Shoots a cannonball.
AR15: Shot by the free world
AK47: Shot at the free world
Mosin-Nagant: Almost free to shoot
AR15: Shoot it in the air it goes a mile
AK47: Shoot it in the air it goes 1/2 a mile
Mosin-Nagant: Shoot it in the air and someone in Berlin gets hit by a bullet.
AR15: Made out of used cars and recycled milk jugs
AK47: Made out of oil rigs and packing crates
Mosin-Nagant: Made out of old water pipe and goat carts
AR15: Sounds like a pop gun
AK47: Sounds like a machine gun
Mosin-Nagant: Sounds like the Trinity Atomic Blast
AR15: Sometimes mistaken for a toy
AK47: Sometimes mistaken for random parts
Mosin-Nagant: Sometimes mistaken for an artillery piece, or an anti-aircraft gun
AR15: Pray (it works) and spray
AK47: Spray and pray(you hit something)
Mosin-Nagant: The hammer of God
AR15: Makes grown men laugh.
AK47: Makes grown men cry.
Mosin-Nagant: Makes grown men incontinent.
AR15: Finicky when dirty.
AK47: Still works when dirty.
Mosin-Nagant: Arrives Dirty from the Distributor.
AR15: Don’t run over it…it will Break
AK47: Run over it, it still shoots.
Mosin-Nagant: Run over it and it will flatten your Tires!
AR15: Makes a Pop when fired
AK47: Makes a Boom when fired
Mosin-Nagant: What the hell was that ???
AR15: Ok, I got One!
AK47: Ok, I have 3 different ones.
Mosin-Nagant: Ok, I have Mosin-itis and have 14 and looking for More….
AR15: Makes a small hole in a tree
AK47: Makes a medium sized hole in a tree
Mosin-Nagant: Blows tree in half making firewood available.
AR15: Kills rabbits and coyotes
AK47: Kills pigs and small deer
Mosin-Nagant: If you can’t kill it with a Mosin-Nagant, it can’t be killed
AR15: Safe to stow in poly bags
AK47: Safe to stow in a rice paddy
Mosin-Nagant: Safe to stow in a landfill
AR15: 100 round beta c drum mags you can load with a speed loader
AK47: 75 round drum magazine you have to reload individually by pressing a lever
Mosin-Nagant: You can store 20 of them in a drum with about 1000 rounds on stripper clips
AR15: Has a nice Airsoft copy
AK47: Has a nice Airsoft copy
Mosin-Nagant: Who needs Airsoft when you can fire blanks.
AR15: Makes a nice paperweight
AK47: Makes a nice doorstop
Mosin-Nagant: Makes a nice baseball bat and way cheaper then aluminum
AR15: Loyal following of people that have more money than sense.
AK47: Loyal following of people that have a longer police record than the range of the rifle.
Mosin-Nagant: Loyal following of people that have more rounds of ammo than they got hairs on all family members’ heads combined.
AR-15: Your enemies will giggle
AK-47: Your enemies will take cover and swear as they ready their weapons
Mosin-Nagant: Your enemies will flatten themselves to the ground and offer up prayers of salvation to whatever god they believe in…then they will die.
AR-15: Drop it from ten feet and it shatters.
AK-47: Drop it from ten feet and it still works.
Mosin-Nagant: Drop it from ten feet and it’s more lethal than a lawn dart.
AR-15: You can melt it with a magnifying glass.
AK-47: Under a magnifying glass, you can see the ingrained dirt.
Mosin-Nagant: Under a magnifying glass, you can see the soaked-in BLOOD.
AR-15: When you run out of ammo, duck for cover and spend 15 minutes cleaning and reloading
AK-47: You could probably rig it up to fire chain-linked ammo
Mosin-Nagant: When you run out of ammo (never) you can shoot chaff and langrage from it (wikipedia that)
AR-15: My daddy bought me this weapon for my birthday
AK-47: I saved two weeks’ paychecks to buy this.
Mosin-Nagant: I think it was free…
AR-15: My rifle floated away in the flood
AK-47: My rifle was submerged for three weeks by the flood and still works
Mosin-Nagant: I fired my rifle and the flood waters parted…
AR15: You keep your bayonet in the kitchen because it is a good steak knife
AK47: You keep your bayonet in your toolbox because it is a good wire cutter
Mosin-Nagant: You no longer fix your bayonet in the house because the last time you did you poked a hole in the ceiling when you stood up
AR15: For $1000 you can get one
AK47: For $1000 you can get two and 300 rounds of ammo
Mosin-Nagant: For $1000 you can get 16 of them plus a Bulgarian armory’s worth of surplus ammo
AR15: Can start brush fires with incendiary ammunition.
AK47: Can start brush fires by dropping it after the handguard catches fire.
Mosin-Nagant: Can start brush fires by firing from anything lower than a kneeling position.
AR15: Built with custom parts, nice trigger, all the bells and whistles $1500+
AK47: Modified with aftermarket and 1,000 rounds of ammo not even $1500
Mosin-Nagant: Stock, with 1,000 rounds maybe $300, meaning you get $1200 to spend on more beer
AR15: Takes a few men out in a sweeper movement
AK47: Takes most men out in a sweeper movement
Mosin-Nagant: Shoot one the sonic boom will handle the rest
AR15: Used in negotiations
AK47: Reason for negotiations
Mosin-Nagant: Negotiator
AR15: I think I felt it kick
AK47: Kinda like a 20 guage
Mosin-Nagant: Dislocation
Mosin-Nagant with heavy ball: Where’s my freaking shoulder
AR15: Takes 3 rounds to take out your enemy
AK47: takes 30 rounds sprayed and hopefully you hit your target
Mosin-Nagant: 1 shot, 50 kills
AR15: More options than a custom Rolls-Royce. No two guns are alike.
AK47: Same number of options as a Toyota Corolla. Most guns look alike.
Mosin-Nagant: Options: You want a bayonet with that?
The limits of customizing a-
AR15: How much $ you got.
AK47: What you can find in the Tapco catalog.
Mosin-Nagant: How much duct tape Bubba’s got.
AR15: Such light recoil, you could put on over your balls and fire.
AK47: Recoil manageable enough for anyone to use it.
Mosin-Nagant: Recoil that registers as small tremors in the earth itself.
AR15: Bullet starts tumbling the moment it meets sufficient resistance, like paper
AK47: Bullet will continue trajectory until it hits something solid, like a deer
Mosin-Nagant: It keeps going and going and going….
AR15: You probably drive a Lexus
AK47: If you’re lucky to possess a vehicle, it’s referred to as a “Technical”
Mosin-Nagant: You hang truck-balls off your trailer hitch, and you’re proud of them.
AR15: Lots of fancy optics available
AK47: You can bolt some stuff to the side
Mosin-Nagant: Who cares about optics when the barrel is long enough to smack the enemy over the head without even leaving your foxhole.
AR15: Used by special forces to kill terrorists
AK47: Used by revolutionaries and any two bit nation’s illiterate conscripts to kill each other
Mosin-Nagant: Used by Simo Häyhä to kill Russian conscripts
AR15: Requires over 1000 rounds to break in
AK47: May need some breaking in
Mosin-Nagant: The stripper clips require more breaking in
AR15: Can take down smaller sized game.
AK47: Can take down average sized game.
Mosin-Nagant: Can take down satellites.
AR15: Invented 50 years ago by a consummate engineer
AK47: Invented 60 years ago by wounded tank sergeant
Mosin-Nagant: Invented 117 years ago by two drunks on a budget.
AR15: Star wars
AK47: Holy wars
Mosin-Nagant: Class wars
AR15: Makes small holes
AK47: Makes big holes
Mosin-Nagant: Makes black holes
AR15: Nice lightweight ammo can be carried in quantity.
AK47: You can carry a chest pouch with lots of mags with no problem.
Mosin-Nagant: Ammo is also used in tanks, and larger artillery pieces.
Domestic uses of the bayonet:
AR15: You affix it to your rifle and use it as a dibble to plant tulip bulbs in the garden.
AK47: You affix it to your rifle and use it to trim low-hanging tree branches.
Mosin-Nagant: You affix it to your rifle, accidentally stab it into the ceiling and bring down a square foot of plaster, and spend the next week sleeping on the couch because your wife is pissed off at you.
AR15: Comes in Pink Hello Kitty and Barbie
AK47: Comes in Pink Hello Kitty
Mosin-Nagant: What’s pink?
AR15: Iran-Contra was a cover-up
AK47: Afghanistan (1980) was a cover-up
Mosin-Nagant: Chernobyll was a cover-up
You call the thing with the ammo in it a “clip” and…
AR15: Your buddies glare at you and don’t speak to you for a month.
AK47: Your buddies smile at you with their gold teeth and “blast another cap.”
Mosin-Nagant: Your buddies smile at you because it’s one of the few times you all get to call something a “clip”… and be right.
AR15: Clean with fancy lubes and solvents with special tools.
AK47: Clean? In Soviet Russia AK clean you!
Mosin-Nagant: Squirt some Windex down the bore. Ready for another 500 rounds tomorrow!
AR15: You can be an expert with this rifle after basic training
AK47: You can be an expert with this rifle after a seminar at the Holiday Inn on AKs
Mosin-Nagant: You can be an expert with this rifle after spending 30 minutes on the internet reading forums, and watching youtube videos
AR15: Can shoot a squirrel and have a great meal
AK47: Can shoot a squirrel and have some meat left to eat.
Mosin-Nagant: There is a tail left around here somewhere.
AR15: Puts some countries air force to shame
AK47: Used by countries who can’t afford an air force
Mosin-Nagant: Could be used to take down an air force
AR15: Shoot one and you’ll be owning one soon!
AK47: Shoot one and you will buy some high capacity magazines and 1000 rounds of ammo
Mosin-Nagant: Shoot one and you will own 15 and want another!
AR15: Makes a tiny hole with no fragmentation or undue extra injury, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
AK47: Makes a big hole and sometimes flings severed body parts around, not in accordance with the Geneva Convention
Mosin-Nagant: One of the reasons the Geneva Convention was written
AR15: Can shoot it off your head and it won’t kill you
AK47: Shoot it off your head and you die
Mosin-Nagant: Shoot if from your shoulder and you need it popped back into place
AR15: Used to kill Enemies of the State.
AK47: Used by Enemies of the State.
Mosin-Nagant: Enemy at the Gates.
AR15: Good for shooting poodles.
AK47: Good for shooting enemies of the state
Mosin-Nagant: Good for shooting light armored vehicles
AR15: Keeps gunsmiths in business
AK47: Keeps drug dealers and terrorists in business
Mosin-Nagant: Keeps Chiropractors in business
AR15: Built like a Toy.
AK47: Built like a Sewing Machine.
Mosin-Nagant: Built like a Tank!
AR15: Too much Plastic.
AK47: Too Much Sheet metal.
Mosin-Nagant: Too much of everything!
AR15: stays in the Vault.
AK47: not allowed in the vault.
Mosin-Nagant: Can be used to Pole Vault!
AR15: In your Heart you think it’s ugly.
AR15: In your Heart you know it’s ugly.
Mosin-Nagant: You’re afraid to call it ugly!
AR15: It doesn’t go anywhere near <shudder> water… Unless you’re drinking Evian
AK47: If water touches it, it would mistake it for a cleaning solvent and fall apart
Mosin-Nagant: Row-row-row your boat, gently down the Volga…
AR15: If it gets in the Mekong river, you need to clean it before firing.
AK47: If it gets in the Mekong river, shake the water out before firing.
Mosin-Nagant: Used as an oar to paddle up and down the Mekong river
AR15: Used to attack soldiers building a bridge across the Mekong
AK47: Used to protect soldiers building a bridge across the Mekong
Mosin-Nagant: Used to actually build the bridge across the Mekong.
AR15: Plastics make it possible
AK47: Sheet metal make it possible
Mosin-Nagant: Driftwood make it possible
AR15: Nice useful little round.
AK47: Very functional round.
Mosin-Nagant: Anti Tank Round
AR15: Useful against unarmored foe
AK47: Useful against armored foe
Mosin-Nagant: Useful against foe on the other side of the battlefield!
AR15: Useful for hosing down forward edge of the battle area…
AK47: Useful for hosing down sky over forward edge of the battle area…
Mosin-Nagant: Useful for hosing down rear of the battle area, enemy reserves and basic training camps at home…
AR15: Thousands of moving parts, held together by hundreds of bolts, screws, and precision welds.
AK47: Several dozen moving parts, held together by a few screws and some drunken Ivan’s light-sabering with an acetylene torch.
Mosin-Nagant: TWO MOVING PARTS. TWO SCREWS. .
AR15: Owner votes for John McCain
AK47: Owner prays for Barack Hussein Osama
Mosin-Nagant: Owner can overthrow the government no matter who becomes president.
AR15: One tenth the firepower at 10 times the price
AK47: Half the Firepower at twice the price
Mosin-Nagant: 10 times the firepower at one tenth the price
AR15: Turns little rocks into pebbles
AK47: Turns big rocks into little rocks
Mosin-Nagant: Makes molehills out of mountains
AR15: One inch groups at 100 yards.
AK47: Five to six inch groups at 100 yards.
Mosin-Nagant: Muzzle is one inch from target at 100 yards.
AR15: Designs drawn on blueprint paper by stoner and a team of experts in a R&D facility
AK47: Designs drawn on notebook paper by Kalashnikov in a Soviet hospital
Mosin-Nagant: Designs drawn on cocktail napkins by a drunken Sergei Mosin-Nagant in a bar
AR15: Clean with a bunch of cloths, patches, picks, brushes and don’t loose the small parts. Clean every 100 rounds.
AK47: Run a patch down the barrel, wipe out the chamber every few months.
Mosin-Nagant: Throw it in the dishwasher every couple years.
AR15: New shooters love it because of good ergonomics and light recoil.
AK47: New shooters love it because of light recoil.
Mosin-Nagant: New shooters required to sign a waiver-absolving owner of physical damage incurred from recoil
AR15: Usually equipped with flash hider to reduce muzzle flash.
AK47: Can be equipped with flash hider to reduce muzzle flash.
Mosin-Nagant: Muzzle flash can be used to summon the mother ship.
AR15: Can be used to defend home against crooks
AK47: Can be used to defend Oil Tanker against Pirates
Mosin-Nagant: Can Replace one of the Deck Guns on the Kirov Class Battle cruiser
AR15: High cost, high maintenance.
AK47: Low cost, low maintenance.
Mosin-Nagant: What are these cost and maintenance things you speak of?
AR15: Your rifle takes a few hours to sight in, starting at 50 yard and moving up to 200, making minute adjustments with a small screwdriver.
AK47: You slide your rear sight around until you hit the target.
Mosin-Nagant: You hit your rifle with a hammer to sight it.
AR15: Arm of the free world
AK47: Arm of everybody else
Mosin-Nagant: Arm of Chuck Norris
AR15: Politicians fear it.
AK47: Media fears it.
Mosin-Nagant: Zombies fear it!
At an indoor range.
AR15: Gets people’s attention because of it’s wonderful accuracy.
AK47: Gets people’s attention because of it’s rugged reliability.
Mosin-Nagant: Gets people’s attention because muzzle flash sets off sprinkler system!
As for accurizing.
AR15: You buy match grade components installed by professional gunsmith and spend thousands of dollars.
AK47: You buy GOOD ammo and optics and spend hundreds of dollars.
Mosin-Nagant: You use an empty soda can, some sand paper and spend seven bucks!
AR15: You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
AK47: You can put a .30″ hole through 12″ of oak, if you can hit it.
Mosin-Nagant: You can knock down everyone else’s target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.
AR15: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great whiffle bat.
AK47: When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
Mosin-Nagant: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.
AR15: What’s recoil?
AK47: Recoil is manageable, even fun.
Mosin-Nagant: Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.
AR15: Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
AK47: Your sight adjustment goes to “10″, and you’ve never bothered moving it.
Mosin-Nagant: Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you’ve actually tried it.
AR15: After a day at the range, you detail strip your rifle and thoroughly clean and lubricate it with only the best products.
AK47: After a day of shooting out back you run a quick patch through the bore and throw your rifle in the back of your truck.
Mosin-Nagant: Cleaning….and maintenance?
AR15: Millennium Falcon
AK47: Star Destroyer
Mosin-Nagant: The Death Star
As for accessories.
AR15: You have a never ending list of high dollar tacticool accessories.
AK47: You have a never ending list of Chinese made tacticool accessories.
Mosin-Nagant: You have carry strap and ammo what more you need comrade?
AR15: Cost a lot of money
AK47: Cost some money
Mosin-Nagant: free with purchase of bayonet
AR15: Backordered.
AK47: Backordered.
Mosin-Nagant: Mail ordered.
AR15: When out of ammo you would rather die than risk damaging your $1200 rifle buy using it as a club.
AK47: When out of ammo your rifle makes a nice club.
Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle is a club that can shoot people.
AR15: When on patrol in Vietnam ammo is so light you can carry around 900 rounds of ammo with you.
AK47: When patrolling your warlord’s territory, you carry all the ammo you need in the back of a technical.
Mosin-Nagant: When sent to battle at Stalingrad you are only issued a stripper clip of ammunition and told that you would find your rifle laying on the ground.
AR15: Got it by joining army
AK47: Got it with one paycheck
Mosin-Nagant: Got it by saving beer cans
On prairie dogs:
AR15: You sit back with your buddies poopin them all day long 651hits 3 misses.
AK47: You and another person go to a dog-town fire 4,000 rounds and each get one be cause they were 8 feet away and deaf.
Mosin-Nagant: You go with 3 other people get the first shot at the first P-dog you see and wipe out the entire colony, leaving a crater that the people who find it claim was a meteor impact.
Regarding muzzle blast:
AR15: Makes a popping sound that is hardly noticed at a public range.
AK47: Makes a hearty boom that usually gets noticed at a public range.
Mosin-Nagant: Makes the Earth tremble and two guys in Bavaria look at each other and ask “vat da hell vas dat?!”
AR15: Looks like a toy
AK47: Looks cobbled together from spare parts
Mosin-Nagant: Looks like a Kentucky Musket of DOOM!
AR15: Sworn at by three generations of American soldiers and Marines
AK47: Brought back as a proof of kill by Carlos Hathcock
Mosin-Nagant: Carried by Samo Hayho, Vasili Ziatsev and feared on both sides of the battle line in the hands of snipers.
AR15: Flash suppressed, super stealthy
AK47: Why worry about stealth when you and your comrades can pour a wall of lead onto the enemy?
Mosin-Nagant: Blinds anybody within 150 meters who’s not wearing welding goggles.
AR15: Can use the bayonet to whittle
AK47: Can use the bayonet to kill an enemy or butcher food
Mosin-Nagant: Bayonet used to cut the sheet metal parts they use to make AR’s and AK’s
AR15: Underslung grenade launcher can take out a dug-in enemy at 300 meters
AK47: Underslung grenade launcher makes a lot of noise and a huge dirt crater
Mosin-Nagant: Who needs grenades when your bullets are so big they can kill tanks?
AR15: Inspired by science fiction
AK47: Inspired by a need for a reliable, selectable-fire weapon
Mosin-Nagant: Inspired by men with balls. Men with HUGE, HAIRY BALLS
AR15: Comprised of several hundred moving parts, usually falls victim to Murphy’s law
AK47: Comprised of as few moving parts as possible, almost impossible to break unless something goes REALLY REALLY WRONG (which might IMPROVE the accuracy)
Mosin-Nagant: Has only one moving part, is held together by only two screws, and damned well outshoots both of the above.
AR15: Rust is your mortal enemy, you clean your gun five times a day.
AK47: Rust might become a problem in a few years, you clean your gun once a month.
Mosin-Nagant: Rust makes your rifle look more authentic.
AR15: You clean your rifle with molecularly engineered precision $1000-ounce synthetic lubricant
AK47: WD-40 is acceptable
Mosin-Nagant: If everything else runs out you can clean your rifle with your own piss
With regard to sound volume:
AR15: Suitable for use with a sound suppressor because its tiny bullet is already quiet.
AK47: No need for a sound suppressor because the enemy will be flat on the ground with their hands over their ears, hiding from the sheer volume of fire.
Mosin-Nagant: You don’t need a sound suppressor, because after the first shot the enemy will be totally deaf anyway.
How long does it take to learn to care for your rifle?
AR15: It will take a drill sergeant about a week to teach you what you need to know about how to disassemble, reassemble and maintain your rifle.
AK47: A good gunnery sergeant can teach you how to care for one in about 4 hours.
Mosin-Nagant: You can learn how to take it apart and put it back together in about 15 minutes with the manual and a couple of YouTube videos in front of you.
AR15: Must be carefully cleaned every 100 rounds or so.
AK47: Only have to worry about cleaning if using Wolf ammo
Mosin-Nagant: Cleaning? Consists of getting liquored up on vodka and peeing down the barrel to get rid of corrosive salts from milsurp primers.
AR15: Opened by pushing 2 pins
AK47: Opened with a swift kick
Mosin-Nagant: Opened with a 2X4 and a ball peen hammer
AR15: Mostly made out of expensive polymers
AK47: Mostly made out of cheap stamped metal and particle board
Mosin-Nagant: Mostly made out of “whatever the f*ck the comrades could find lying around the People’s Factory”
AR15: can probably put together a nice one, due to the popularity of ownership, for under $1,000
AK47: Can probably get a decent one, or refurbished one, for under $500.
Mosin-Nagant: Can probably buy rifle, 440 rounds of ammo, and a case of Windex for under $200.
AR15: Won’t work unless you clean it every day
AK47: Should be cleaned at least once a year
Mosin-Nagant: Was last cleaned by a Russian conscript in Berlin in 1945
AR15: If the firing pin breaks you send it to the factory for repairs
AK47: If the firing pin breaks you buy a new one
Mosin-Nagant: If the firing pin breaks you just screw it deeper into the bolt
AR15: Your accessories cost more than the rifle
AK47: All your accessories cost around $300
Mosin-Nagant: All your accessories come free with the rifle
AR15: Accountant’s Rifle
AK47: Factory Worker’s Rifle
Mosin-Nagant: If you can fill out an application, you can probably already afford it
AR15: Tax return will get it
AK47: Tax return will get you 2 plus mags
Mosin-Nagant: Tax Return will get you a case plus enough ammo to last you till doomsday
AR15: Made when jet passenger flight was fairly regular
AK47: Made when knowing how to fly could make you an officer
Mosin-Nagant: Made when hot air balloons were considered the ultimate flight technology
AR15: Buttstock is collapsible, only used to aid in shooting the rifle
AK47: Buttstock is also good for knocking some oppressor’s teeth out
Mosin-Nagant: Buttstock is good for use as a sledgehammer, crutch, club, or boat oar
I was sad to hear about the Saiga ban, I had wanted one (the shotguns).
You know they're going to ban imports of Russian ammo next, right? No more Tulammo, Brown Bear, Wolf, etc etc....
I didn't see anything wrong with the Rolling Stone article, except for a typo on page 7, and I wouldn't agree with how they defined "assault weapons". They might have more accurately titled it "the five most dangerous gun types in America" since their currently title implies specific models, but the calls for fainting couches over this assault on journalism are a wee bit overblown.
They might have more accurately titled it "the five most dangerous gun types in America" since their currently title implies specific models
except that there are basically only 4 types of firearms (and really 3, if you want to be technical) available to Most people: Shotguns/smoothbore, rifles, pistols (it's 3 if we count revolvers here, but 4 if you count them separate).... The only other types beyond this are Machine Guns, and possibly explosives launchers.
Perhaps a better article would be, the five deadliest guns in america, with actual models of guns that are most likely to be used in shooting deaths. Which, I am guessing, if you count what police usually carry, would be the Glock 17.
Perhaps a better article would be, the five deadliest guns in america, with actual models of guns that are most likely to be used in shooting deaths. Which, I am guessing, if you count what police usually carry, would be the Glock 17.
Actually, no. It tends to be Saturday Night Special gak like Hi-Points or Jimenez Arms pieces.
I didn't see anything wrong with the Rolling Stone article, except for a typo on page 7, and I wouldn't agree with how they defined "assault weapons". They might have more accurately titled it "the five most dangerous gun types in America" since their currently title implies specific models, but the calls for fainting couches over this assault on journalism are a wee bit overblown.
Considering you're about 4x more likely to be beaten to death with someone's bare fists vs. being shot with a rifle or shotgun.... I dunno I think the "shoddy reporting" rubber stamp applies just fine here.
Perhaps a better article would be, the five deadliest guns in america, with actual models of guns that are most likely to be used in shooting deaths. Which, I am guessing, if you count what police usually carry, would be the Glock 17.
As of 1994, 10 most frequently traced guns. The garbage is all at the top. There's probably more recent data out there but a 1 minute Google search wasn't sufficient to find it.
Trace is not synonymous with committed crimes however, and for roughly that same time period, a DOJ study concluded that while stuff like P25's were the most commonly traced, most criminals preferred revolvers of larger caliber than the "saturday night specials".
Not yet....... Although I might be able to wedge a knife into my cross bow.
Well, now you got my attention!
But in seriousness, cool collection. And is than an SKS that's been super hot-rod'd?
If you are talking about the black stock/stainless steel barrel one, no. That is a modified Ruger Mini 30. Although I like the SKS, I went with the Mini 30 for better accuracy, and the option of a stainless barrel so it could stand up to the possible corrosiveness of some 7.62x39 rounds. Plus, since it would need frequent cleaning, stainless is easier to clean.
cuda1179 wrote: Took me a while to drag them out, but here we go:
WTH? No golfbag to lug all that?
Honestly, my first idea was to take a picture with all that stuff strapped to my body with countless holsters, slings, bandoliers, and scabbards (shotgun scabbards over the shoulder are so awesome), but honestly, it weighs so dang much I couldn't support it all.
cincydooley wrote: Okay y'all. I'm going to be hunting in my state that doesn't allow rifles and I need to buy a slug gun. Does anyone have any recommendations?
I live in Iowa, so hunting without a rifle is my specialty. There are two things that I need to know: What exactly are you hunting, and what kind of terrain are you hunting in? I'm going to guess, and say deer (although this also works for boar, coyote, fox, or other mid-sized animals). I live in an area with some rolling hills and moderate brush. In a case like that, I would stay with a smoothbore shotgun shooting 3 inch 000 Buckshot with a full choke.
If you look at my picture above, my Winchester 1300 pump shotgun has never let me down. They don't make it any more, so I'd look for a Remington, or maybe a Mossberg.
Hunting with a rifle and with a shotgun are two totally different experiences, have fun with the learning curve.
cincydooley wrote: Okay y'all. I'm going to be hunting in my state that doesn't allow rifles and I need to buy a slug gun. Does anyone have any recommendations?
As a fellow Ohioan, I would recommend a Remington 870 or Remington 1100 if you can find one. Pump action and semi-automatic, respectively.
But there aren't nearly enough Warhammer posters on your wall, young man!
In my defense I'm in the middle of moving, so my entire hobby corner is packed up right now.
cincydooley wrote: Okay y'all. I'm going to be hunting in my state that doesn't allow rifles and I need to buy a slug gun. Does anyone have any recommendations?
Rem 870 Pump, go with the classic. Buy the "normal" straight tube with a short barrel for the house, and buy a long rifled barrel for hunting. It's an easy swap out and adds to your versatility for cheap.
cincydooley wrote: Okay y'all. I'm going to be hunting in my state that doesn't allow rifles and I need to buy a slug gun. Does anyone have any recommendations?
As a fellow Ohioan, I would recommend a Remington 870 or Remington 1100 if you can find one. Pump action and semi-automatic, respectively.
This is where I was leaning.
I'd heard good things about the Mossberg Slugster, too.
Need to go try both and out and see which 'fits' me better.
cincydooley wrote: Okay y'all. I'm going to be hunting in my state that doesn't allow rifles and I need to buy a slug gun. Does anyone have any recommendations?
As a fellow Ohioan, I would recommend a Remington 870 or Remington 1100 if you can find one. Pump action and semi-automatic, respectively.
This is where I was leaning.
I'd heard good things about the Mossberg Slugster, too.
Need to go try both and out and see which 'fits' me better.
My wife got me one for Christmas a few years back, excellent shotgun. Its under license by its parent company Remington to produce 870 clones. Works great too.
easysauce wrote: one thing for smoothbore hunting too, get the ammo with the insert that spins the slug, seems to help out a bit for me at longer shots
Huh?
A smooth bore cant spin a slug because it lacks rifling. Now, if you add a rifled choke tube to one, and fire a sabot slug, then you can add spin to the slug. What's the ammo you're talking about? Id really like to look into it.
easysauce wrote: one thing for smoothbore hunting too, get the ammo with the insert that spins the slug, seems to help out a bit for me at longer shots
Huh?
A smooth bore cant spin a slug because it lacks rifling. Now, if you add a rifled choke tube to one, and fire a sabot slug, then you can add spin to the slug. What's the ammo you're talking about? Id really like to look into it.
you are correct, smooth bores cannot spin the ammo,
hence why I suggested rifled slugs
rifled slug ammo is specifically designed to impart spin onto the slug when using smooth bore shot guns, despite the lack of rifling in the barrel itself,
dont use it in a rifled shotgun though, wont blow up or anything, but most of the time the two sets of "rifling" grooves wont line up and it will throw you off target.
not sure about the state side hunting laws, but IIRC isnt a barrel extension with rifling a no go for smooth bore only hunting? not 100% sure on that.
box of truth is talking about sabots for the most part, only one of the bits on that test is actually dealing with rifled slugs down a smooth bore, which is what I am talking about.
not sure why, but lots of people seem to use the term sabot-ed rifled slug, and rifled slug, interchangeably, so its confusing as they are not exactly the same.
when he actually puts the "rifled slugs" downrange with the smooth bore shotty, he says this:
"Let’s compare that result to standard rifled slugs from this smooth bore.
46-16
We will first use the 11-87 with the smooth bore barrel.
The group was about a 5 inch group, and would have been a 2 to 3 inch group without the flier.
That’s pretty amazing in my opinion."
he does seem to get better performance out of rifled slugs and rifled barrel then I would think, cool to see
Having been inspired by a recent post elsewhere, I think I have concluded my firearms plans, upon the completion of my current project (a slowly pieced together AR15) for the foreseeable future, I'm thinking over 2015 and 2016. It's something I would do this year but for lack of funds, though I may start with something on the cheap end if possible.
With the 100th anniversary of the start of first world war this week, I believe I will make it my goal to obtain the service rifle of each of the major WW1 powers.
This will include:
A: Gewehr 98 (not K98) [German]
B: Mosin Nagant M91 (I don't know if these are obtainable or if it's only 91/30's that are around) [Russian]
C: Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 (in 8x50R Mannlicher) [Austro-Hungarian]
D: 1886 Lebel [French]
E: SMLE Mk.III [British]
F: 1903 Springfield [U.S.]
I'm not sure if this will be a realisitc goal, I have a feeling the WW1 versions of some of these that were also used in WW2 may prove frustratingly difficult to find, the only ones I think that will be readily available are the SMLE MkIII and Springfield, though it may make getting a C&R FFL license worth it. I think the only other thing I may try to mix in there may be a Cx4 Carbine (to go with the Px4 pistol I've already got) or possibly a cheaper wood-furniture AK (as both of my current ones are synthetic stock models, but with people's insanity about Russian specific AK's I'm not sure what that will do to the market for Romanian/Yugo/Bulgarian/etc AK's), but we'll see how this starts to go.
Ultimately I may just have to knock it down to two or three and call it good.
Just found an all matching 1941 Mosin at my local Cabela's in the "bargain rack" stock's a bit oily, no cosmoline clean up required and they gave me FOUR bayonets to go with her in case I got bored...
Vaktathi wrote: Having been inspired by a recent post elsewhere, I think I have concluded my firearms plans, upon the completion of my current project (a slowly pieced together AR15) for the foreseeable future, I'm thinking over 2015 and 2016. It's something I would do this year but for lack of funds, though I may start with something on the cheap end if possible.
With the 100th anniversary of the start of first world war this week, I believe I will make it my goal to obtain the service rifle of each of the major WW1 powers.
This will include:
A: Gewehr 98 (not K98) [German]
B: Mosin Nagant M91 (I don't know if these are obtainable or if it's only 91/30's that are around) [Russian]
C: Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 (in 8x50R Mannlicher) [Austro-Hungarian]
D: 1886 Lebel [French]
E: SMLE Mk.III [British]
F: 1903 Springfield [U.S.]
I'm not sure if this will be a realisitc goal, I have a feeling the WW1 versions of some of these that were also used in WW2 may prove frustratingly difficult to find, the only ones I think that will be readily available are the SMLE MkIII and Springfield, though it may make getting a C&R FFL license worth it. I think the only other thing I may try to mix in there may be a Cx4 Carbine (to go with the Px4 pistol I've already got) or possibly a cheaper wood-furniture AK (as both of my current ones are synthetic stock models, but with people's insanity about Russian specific AK's I'm not sure what that will do to the market for Romanian/Yugo/Bulgarian/etc AK's), but we'll see how this starts to go.
Ultimately I may just have to knock it down to two or three and call it good.
Nagants kick and are often difficult to open but the urge to invade Berlin will be strong.
1903's are sweet. Hyper accurate with a good barrel and action.
Enfields are awesome.
Nagants kick and are often difficult to open but the urge to invade Berlin will be strong.
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Confirmed. Brought my Nagant home Tuesday night and immediately dug trenches in the yard and raised the Red Banner in defiance of the fascist oppressors. Also Nagants don't kick. They test your courage for the Motherland!
With the 100th anniversary of the start of first world war this week, I believe I will make it my goal to obtain the service rifle of each of the major WW1 powers.
This will include:
A: Gewehr 98 (not K98) [German]
B: Mosin Nagant M91 (I don't know if these are obtainable or if it's only 91/30's that are around) [Russian]
C: Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 (in 8x50R Mannlicher) [Austro-Hungarian]
D: 1886 Lebel [French]
E: SMLE Mk.III [British]
F: 1903 Springfield [U.S.]
Easier to get the K98 these days but the prices on both the Gew and the Kar have gone up. Still they are affordable and there is a nice 1898 on gun joker for $300, Kars are about the same price.
The Lebel will be interesting to find and will cost some dough, but the Springfield will probably be the most expensive.
The smile rifle will be pretty easy aswell, I just got a mk.III built in 1915 a couple months ago. It joined my other three Enfields in the safe.
As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Nagants kick and are often difficult to open but the urge to invade Berlin will be strong.
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Confirmed. Brought my Nagant home Tuesday night and immediately dug trenches in the yard and raised the Red Banner in defiance of the fascist oppressors. Also Nagants don't kick. They test your courage for the Motherland!
They also don't go BOOM, they just raise their voice to sing praise to the motherland and to support every other Nagant in the neighboring counties...
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
Add me to the jealous list also. I plan on getting one some point in the future.
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
Add me to the jealous list also. I plan on getting one some point in the future.
you can go ahead and add me to the jelly list :(
those steyr augs are evil prohibited baby killing guns up here... which is sad because bull puls are just so damn awesome, but any bulpup kit is banned, and outside of the t97, the tavor, and maybe one or two others there isnt really any legal bullpups up here.
Hordini wrote: So you can have a Tavor in Canada but not an AUG? What's up with that?
same reason why they tried to ban AR_15s,
same reason why some .22lrs are banned because they look SLIGHTLY like an AK47..
yet things like the valmut (ak clone) are legal because some native bands had a decent # of them,
same reason why more then half of all pistols are banned (4.5"+ barrel = good, anything shorter = dead babies)
the anti gunners were trusted by the firarms community in good faith to only implement "common sense gun control" that increased public safety,
guess how that went :(
basically we have to fill out the equivelent to the forms you need in the states for class 3 weapons (i think thats the term) like silencers, SBR's, and full autos,
for all pistols and basically anything more then a standard hunting rifle/shotgun, but even some of those we have to go the extra mile to get, if we can get them at all.
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
Add me to the jealous list also. I plan on getting one some point in the future.
you can go ahead and add me to the jelly list :(
And one more. I've always loved bullpups. My dream is to have an FS2000 eventually....Maybe I can trade my girlfriend for one....
I dunno man. I coveted one right up until I had the money for one; and then I did some more research. It's good some pretty poor reviews for accuracy - it seems it has a bad trigger, so bad that it throws the aim off a bit. Still more than accurate enough for what it's made for - CQB - and if I was actually a kicking-in-doors type, it would be at the top of my list, but as a plinking\screwing around rifle? You can get AK accuracy for $500... just my 2 cents.
Nagants kick and are often difficult to open but the urge to invade Berlin will be strong.
1903's are sweet. Hyper accurate with a good barrel and action.
Enfields are awesome.
DOn't know about the other ones.
If you are going to get a Mosin Nagant (mine is a 91/30 model) I HIGHLY suggest getting a muzzle brake. Look into them though, there are some crap ones that will come loose and be hit by the next round fired, hurting the gun, and more importantly you.
These things WORK. They are high quality and easy to install. This, combined with a decent butt-pad or restocking will make any Mosin Nagant more than tame. Mine barely kicks at all. I'd say it's only about 30% as bad as before the brake/restocking.
I dunno man. I coveted one right up until I had the money for one; and then I did some more research. It's good some pretty poor reviews for accuracy - it seems it has a bad trigger, so bad that it throws the aim off a bit. Still more than accurate enough for what it's made for - CQB - and if I was actually a kicking-in-doors type, it would be at the top of my list, but as a plinking\screwing around rifle? You can get AK accuracy for $500... just my 2 cents.
My only experience is IDF friends who've used the military variant, and they get M16 accuracy out of their rifles. MAC is also a big fan of it, and they usually don't endorse anything unless it's solid.
I think you're agreeing with me by by saying professional door-kickers like it
Well, I have to imagine at some point there's gonna be an aftermarket trigger anyway at which point I will reconsider. Even as-is I think it might be pretty solid for home defense if you have limited room for a longer rifle, and don't feel confident in a handgun.
I dunno man. I coveted one right up until I had the money for one; and then I did some more research. It's good some pretty poor reviews for accuracy - it seems it has a bad trigger, so bad that it throws the aim off a bit. Still more than accurate enough for what it's made for - CQB - and if I was actually a kicking-in-doors type, it would be at the top of my list, but as a plinking\screwing around rifle? You can get AK accuracy for $500... just my 2 cents.
KingCracker posted this in another thread but it's relevant to your point so I'm reposting it here.
I dunno man. I coveted one right up until I had the money for one; and then I did some more research. It's good some pretty poor reviews for accuracy - it seems it has a bad trigger, so bad that it throws the aim off a bit. Still more than accurate enough for what it's made for - CQB - and if I was actually a kicking-in-doors type, it would be at the top of my list, but as a plinking\screwing around rifle? You can get AK accuracy for $500... just my 2 cents.
Trigger pull is like 12 lb out of the box. I believe Yimmey has or is making a kit for it. You can cut the springs to get it to 5lb as well, but if I'm paying an ungodly amount of money on a stock rifle I don't want to have to with it just to get it to shoot.
the heavy tavor trigger is actually fairly normal as the MIL LEO stuff lately has been encouraging heavier trigger pulls to reduce accidental shooting or unintended slap fires I think.
All my LEO/MIL stuff has heavy triggers, my M&P came out the box at about 9.5ilbs,
but some polish and spring adjustment will easily bring any gun down a few, I tend to do that to most triggers even if its just polish to smoothen out the trigger action more then make it lighter.
easysauce wrote: the heavy tavor trigger is actually fairly normal as the MIL LEO stuff lately has been encouraging heavier trigger pulls to reduce accidental shooting or unintended slap fires I think.
So. Going back to the Tavor for a moment here. Sorry it's kept cropping up so much over the last 2 pages.
I didn't understand what Easy meant by "slap fire", so I googled it. It seems to be more commonly called "slam fire", at least I've heard that phrase (although I wasn't 100% sure what it meant then, either, until today's googling). It looks like rifles with a free floating firing pin can sometimes, when the chambering a round, have the pin strike the primer, and sometimes do so hard enough to fire and cycle a round even without the trigger being actuated when using more sensitive ammo produced for the civilian market. The SKS seems to be well known for this, especially when dirty, and there is an aftermarket kit to add a spring to the firing pin to prevent this.
The Tavor also can do this. Now I'm wondering - is the secondary spring, the one one Breotan's video says can be removed, is it to prevent this from happening? Or would the spring need to actually be attached to the firing pin? Or is the sole purpose of the secondary spring to intentionally increase the trigger pull weight for the reasons Easy described?
I imagine that slap/slam fire is less of an issue for the IDF as, if I recall, they typically carry their firearms without a round in the chamber. When they were first establishing Israel they did not have a standard weapon and as they each operated differently the SOP was to carry with a loaded magazine and no round in the chamber. This lead to what is called the Israeli or Mossad draw
Ive never owned a firearm being based in the UK. I have fired a few during my short time in the Army Cadets though. Fired a L98A1 Cadet Rifle and another single shot no magazine weapon that I cant remember the name of. Might have been this though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No.8_rifle
I enjoyed what little shooting I did and if I lived in a country with firearms I would probably shoot recreationally at the a gun range. Much like I plan to do with archery once I can which was also fun and much easier to find in the UK.
With proper training, as long as you have a modern firearm and a holster that completely covers the trigger, condition one is the way to go as far as I'm concerned. Israeli carry just gives you more opportunity to make a mistake in a situation where you can't afford to make mistakes.
Ouze wrote: I don't trust (myself in) condition 1 at all, personally. I myself go 3.
It's a personal thing. Condition 3 is better than no weapon at all. If I was going to carry condition 3 I'd definitely make a point to practice drawing and racking the slide a lot though.
Yeah, I've done that. I know the 1911 is designed to be carried by that but it just feels so... I dunno, I just don't trust myself. I suppose if I had been in the military or in law enforcement and had spent a long time carrying, it would be different.
I don't use the safety at all; either it's not shooting time or it is, and I don't chamber a round until it's the latter, or (I expect it to imminently be so).
Ouze wrote: Yeah, I've done that. I know the 1911 is designed to be carried by that but it just feels so... I dunno, I just don't trust myself. I suppose if I had been in the military or in law enforcement and had spent a long time carrying, it would be different.
I don't use the safety at all; either it's not shooting time or it is, and I don't chamber a round until it's the latter, or (I expect it to imminently be so).
Well, to be fair, I don't think that I would carry a 1911 in condition one either. The single action trigger is a bit too much for me to be comfortable with. Anything that I would carry condition one is double action or at least DA/SA.
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
I have an Aimpoint micro on it right now. I am going to get a small riser and co-witness with some Troy iron sights. I might get an Aimpoint magnifier but we'll see. I am getting the Rat Worx charging handle and trigger. The trigger is the worst I've ever felt on a rifle lol. Only other thing I might do is add the brass deflector for left hand shooting. Its so cheap and I would not like to take brass to the jaw if I needed to shoot it from the other side.
@easysauce, its a shame they won't let you own bullpups there, They are awesome little rifles. Mine has a 20" barrel and is still shorter than my 16" ar.
My Aug was at the store for about 6 months before I bought it. I would come in and hold it everytime I was there. This was one of those "give it time" cases. It did not move and they needed to clear out space.
AUGs are not on my list of gak to have in stock first thing once I get my store open. They're cool, and you want one or two "cool" rifles on hand, so I might grab a civie SCAR, a Tavor, and one or two "cool" ones like that, but honestly it's best to focus your milsup on AR-15s of various flavors, standard issue AKs and some classic items for flavor.
d-usa wrote: Bullpup rifles just always seem kinda....weird...to me. I've never shot one, but they just look off to me.
I think that it's because they are such a departure from how traditional rifles look.
Could I get some thoughts and opinions from those with more knowledge than I on shotguns, specifically traditional stocks v adjustable stocks with pistol grips.
I'm not an expert, but in my anecdotal experience, traditional stocks work best for shotguns in most scenarios. I'd really only like the pistol grip if storage space was at a premium, or if I expect to be going around really tight corners (which I don't, not being a soldier or a swat team member). I've found the advantages of the pistol grip are a slightly more natural feeling grip, but it's way offset by the additional perceived recoil. I've felt like I'm significantly more accurate with a traditional stock, although in a home defense scenario, it's probably not significant, it being a shotgun.
If you get a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870, get the traditional stock - the pistol grip is only like $30 so you can have them both and decide what you like better. The combinbed shoulder stock + pistol grip might be a nice middle ground for $100 or so.
Ouze wrote: I'm not an expert, but in my anecdotal experience, traditional stocks work best for shotguns in most scenarios. I'd really only like the pistol grip if storage space was at a premium, or if I expect to be going around really tight corners (which I don't, not being a soldier or a swat team member). I've found the advantages of the pistol grip are a slightly more natural feeling grip, but it's way offset by the additional perceived recoil. I've felt like I'm significantly more accurate with a traditional stock, although in a home defense scenario, it's probably not significant, it being a shotgun.
If you get a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870, get the traditional stock - the pistol grip is only like $30 so you can have them both and decide what you like better. The combinbed shoulder stock + pistol grip might be a nice middle ground for $100 or so.
Id gotten a Mossy 500 Cruiser with a near useless J.I.C. II 5.11 bag. Id agree about a stock. Right now cant decide which to get, a foldover or a collapsible stock. The stockless 500 recoils quite a bit to maintain a good enough grouping for followup shots, but damn if it isnt compact enough for close quarters with that 18.5 inch barrel.
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d-usa wrote: Bullpup rifles just always seem kinda....weird...to me. I've never shot one, but they just look off to me.
Changing the mag takes some getting used to, especially if youre used to an AR, POA is a lil different, but a red dot fixes that. It is way more compact than an AR, especially with a pinned 16 inch barrel, perfect for indoors or from a vehicle. First thing to replace on them is that nasty gubmint trigger though, much like an AR. Many police departments are phasing them in to replace ARs as a patrol rifle.
Ouze wrote: I'm not an expert, but in my anecdotal experience, traditional stocks work best for shotguns in most scenarios. I'd really only like the pistol grip if storage space was at a premium, or if I expect to be going around really tight corners (which I don't, not being a soldier or a swat team member). I've found the advantages of the pistol grip are a slightly more natural feeling grip, but it's way offset by the additional perceived recoil. I've felt like I'm significantly more accurate with a traditional stock, although in a home defense scenario, it's probably not significant, it being a shotgun.
If you get a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870, get the traditional stock - the pistol grip is only like $30 so you can have them both and decide what you like better. The combinbed shoulder stock + pistol grip might be a nice middle ground for $100 or so.
A shotgun with a pistol grip and no stock is legally defined as a pistol in Indiana (where we live)
KalashnikovMarine wrote: AUGs are not on my list of gak to have in stock first thing once I get my store open. They're cool, and you want one or two "cool" rifles on hand, so I might grab a civie SCAR, a Tavor, and one or two "cool" ones like that, but honestly it's best to focus your milsup on AR-15s of various flavors, standard issue AKs and some classic items for flavor.
And a barrel of Mosin Nagants by the door.
I would not blame you for not having a Steyr Aug in your store. They are hard to move, expensive and don't come with any sights. People are all over the "new" cool ones like the listed Tavor and Scars, not a 36 year old Austrian bullpup that (at one time) did not take Nato standard magazines.
On the other hand I would blame you for not having a barrel of Mosin Nagants by the door!
and rent some pistols to try out?
man that Stones article was full of derp.
'Murica! 
with it just to get it to shoot.
