I would presume the "X" is for the 10th legion. He's got a lot of X's on him. That or he's straight edge...
I would guess that we'll have this pointed out to us every new page - but still...?!?
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BrotherVord wrote: I love th way the two models fit together, it's a really cool touch. Maybe we'll get the same thing for some of the other primarchs, one can hope.
We'll see. Sanguinius-Horus-Emperor-three-way-set
Still, at the current pace, it'll be a while
Games Day 2012 - Angron
Inbetween GDs - Fulgrim
Games Day 2013 - Ferrus Manus
Inbetween GDs - Corax
Games Day 2014 - Night Haunter
Inbetween GDs - Vulkan
Games Day 2015 - Magnus
Inbetween GDs - Leman Russ
Games Day 2016 - Lorgar
Inbetween GDs - Guilliman
Games Day 2017 - Mortarion
Inbetween GDs - Khan
Games Day 2018 - Rogal Dorn
Inbetween GDs - Perturabo
Games Day 2019 - The Lion
Inbetween GDs - Alpharius
Games Day 2020 - Sanguinius
Inbetween GDs - Horus
Games Day 2021 - The Emperor
I certainly hope that's not the pace, but, hard to argue with the facts to date!
Hulksmash wrote: Naming conventions don't put me off amazing models. And this model is definitely my favorite primarch so far. I'm also now super excited for Perturabo when he eventually gets released. The Primarchs have been going from strength to strength.
And I'll second that adding Manus to Fulgrim in a diorama makes Fulgrim even better.
I'd disagree with that somewhat. Adding Manus to the diorama just shows how derpy the Fulgrim model when compared directly with one so well sculpted. Fulgrim looks like a bad space version of a wood elf wardancer circa 1998.
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Ratius wrote: Ferrus is the first Primarch model from FW Im disappointed with. His head/face is so ordinary, looks like any old generic Sergent to me. And the paint job, a sort of tan effect on him? isnt he from Medusa a world perpetually gloomy where the sun rarely breaks through? Is he holidaying in Florida?
I suppose he could have headbutted the Great Silver Worm to death in magma instead to get a more memorable face but then we'd all be complaining how he was just ripping off Destro in GI JOE.
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spiralingcadaver wrote: Either way, that guy's epic, though, and I might still paint one up.
If I ever got back into building a 40k army (like with a true scale skirmish scale force for another ruleset), that would be a fig I'd desperately want for a techmarine/captain.
Sounds quite cool, kind of similar to Khan (or should I say KHHHHAAAAAAAN?) until you realise......
The word Kharn means "betrayer" in Arabic. Yes, his name is in fact, Betrayer the Betrayer. But back onto the topic, I think the model looks really badass. I do however, wish the Primarch's came with helmet options.
Sounds quite cool, kind of similar to Khan (or should I say KHHHHAAAAAAAN?) until you realise......
The word Kharn means "betrayer" in Arabic. Yes, his name is in fact, Betrayer the Betrayer. But back onto the topic, I think the model looks really badass. I do however, wish the Primarch's came with helmet options.
But Kharn isn't the Primarch of his rather angry Legion.
I think Deliverance Lost officially established him to have the full Latin name for the Raven, but maybe it's just propaganda from the Alpha Legion.
One of the biggest 'revelations' from DELIVERANCE LOST is the fact that they've completely done away with what we 'knew' about the Raven Guard and their past, and why Corax went on his walkabout into the Eye.
Completely changed it!
I wonder what else will now change in their background because of this!
I think Deliverance Lost officially established him to have the full Latin name for the Raven, but maybe it's just propaganda from the Alpha Legion.
One of the biggest 'revelations' from DELIVERANCE LOST is the fact that they've completely done away with what we 'knew' about the Raven Guard and their past, and why Corax went on his walkabout into the Eye.
Completely changed it!
I wonder what else will now change in their background because of this!
Deliverance Lost is a disaster of a novel. Turned a tragic story into a other Alpha Legion Mary Sue story. Boring and pointless.
I think Deliverance Lost officially established him to have the full Latin name for the Raven, but maybe it's just propaganda from the Alpha Legion.
One of the biggest 'revelations' from DELIVERANCE LOST is the fact that they've completely done away with what we 'knew' about the Raven Guard and their past, and why Corax went on his walkabout into the Eye.
Completely changed it!
I wonder what else will now change in their background because of this!
Deliverance Lost is a disaster of a novel. Turned a tragic story into a other Alpha Legion Mary Sue story. Boring and pointless.
I liked deliverance lost, I thought that it was a solid, it not average story.
I think Deliverance Lost officially established him to have the full Latin name for the Raven, but maybe it's just propaganda from the Alpha Legion.
One of the biggest 'revelations' from DELIVERANCE LOST is the fact that they've completely done away with what we 'knew' about the Raven Guard and their past, and why Corax went on his walkabout into the Eye.
Completely changed it!
I wonder what else will now change in their background because of this!
Deliverance Lost is a disaster of a novel. Turned a tragic story into a other Alpha Legion Mary Sue story. Boring and pointless.
No kidding?
And it removes all of the blame from Corax and places it on the XX Legion of Mustache Twirlers.
I still liked it enough, but, I wish they'd only let Abnett write about the Alpha Legion.
Pretty good model, however, (and I'll confess to not knowing an awful lot about Manus when saying this) the bare arms look jarring on such a heavily armoured figure a, with the paint job not helping at all, and the servo harness is too busy.
I remember Manus fighting with an oversized wrench against Fulgrim on the cover of an HH book. It seemed like a unique weapon. Shame they just gave him a hammer.
sockwithaticket wrote: Pretty good model, however, (and I'll confess to not knowing an awful lot about Manus when saying this) the bare arms look jarring on such a heavily armoured figure a, with the paint job not helping at all, and the servo harness is too busy.
The bare arms are Ferrus's thing... Before he found civilization he was in a back and forth fight with a giant silver worm (Necron Tomb Stalker I believe). When Ferrus finally beat it into submission, he took it in a choke hold and submerged it in lava. When he pulled his hands out, they were that silvery color, coating with that material. Ferrus's hands can craft anything as well as as Vulkan could with a hammer.
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Harriticus wrote: I remember Manus fighting with an oversized wrench against Fulgrim on the cover of an HH book. It seemed like a unique weapon. Shame they just gave him a hammer.
The wrench was on the cover of Fulgrim...
The Hammer is Forgebreaker, a hammer forged by Fulgrim when the two met. In the climactic battle between Fulgrim and Ferrus, Ferrus fought with Forgebreaker, and Fulgrim fought with the silver handled Laer sword that was tainted with Slaanesh's 'influence'.
It should also be noted that Perturabo might also be armed with Forgebreaker considering Fulgrim gave it to him after Ferrus's death.
sockwithaticket wrote: Pretty good model, however, (and I'll confess to not knowing an awful lot about Manus when saying this) the bare arms look jarring on such a heavily armoured figure a, with the paint job not helping at all, and the servo harness is too busy.
The bare arms are Ferrus's thing... Before he found civilization he was in a back and forth fight with a giant silver worm (Necron Tomb Stalker I believe). When Ferrus finally beat it into submission, he took it in a choke hold and submerged it in lava. When he pulled his hands out, they were that silvery color, coating with that material. Ferrus's hands can craft anything as well as as Vulkan could with a hammer.
Fair enough, I thought it'd be part of his character design, though I don't see how that incident means he can't armour up?
sockwithaticket wrote: Pretty good model, however, (and I'll confess to not knowing an awful lot about Manus when saying this) the bare arms look jarring on such a heavily armoured figure
Be that as they may, they are his constitutionally protected right under the second amendment. I don't normally bare arms but I like knowing I could if I chose to, with proper licensing.
I really like this model so no real complaints. But after reading Fulgrim I was left with the impression Ferrus was taller than Fulgrim and just bigger in general. In the model Fulgrim is clearly standing on higher ground so it's hard to tell but it seems like they are pretty close to the same size?
sockwithaticket wrote: Pretty good model, however, (and I'll confess to not knowing an awful lot about Manus when saying this) the bare arms look jarring on such a heavily armoured figure a, with the paint job not helping at all, and the servo harness is too busy.
The bare arms are Ferrus's thing... Before he found civilization he was in a back and forth fight with a giant silver worm (Necron Tomb Stalker I believe). When Ferrus finally beat it into submission, he took it in a choke hold and submerged it in lava. When he pulled his hands out, they were that silvery color, coating with that material. Ferrus's hands can craft anything as well as as Vulkan could with a hammer.
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Harriticus wrote: I remember Manus fighting with an oversized wrench against Fulgrim on the cover of an HH book. It seemed like a unique weapon. Shame they just gave him a hammer.
The wrench was on the cover of Fulgrim...
The Hammer is Forgebreaker, a hammer forged by Fulgrim when the two met. In the climactic battle between Fulgrim and Ferrus, Ferrus fought with Forgebreaker, and Fulgrim fought with the silver handled Laer sword that was tainted with Slaanesh's 'influence'.
It should also be noted that Perturabo might also be armed with Forgebreaker considering Fulgrim gave it to him after Ferrus's death.
Actully in Angel Exterminatus it's established that Hours took forgebreaker and turned into into a Deamon weapon that he gifted to Perturabo.
What "quality control issues" would they be ?
I have been buying FW for years and apart from some old kits that did not fit very well, most of it has been bang on.
While I haven't had an issue with my last two purchased models, I've had issues with pretty most others before that echoed the issues others raised. I once got a icon kit that looked similar to this (but was GK) where the flash was as thick as the icons. Even if the QA person was legally blind, just holding it showed how bad the mold gap was and it never should have made it into a zip lock bag as acceptable. My Inquisitor Rex also had multiple important issues.
Fair enough, I have done over 50 FW kits and only had three miscasts. The biggest problems I have encountered are poor packers giving me the wrong stuff a couple of times and also I have had a few kits missing pieces.
I still would not say they have "quality control issues" myself, as they have thousands of orders each day there will be some mistakes, not that I am sticking up for them, but I can also see your side of the coin too !
Compel wrote: I quite like the model but I'm also someone who imagined Ferrus bald for some reason...
Actually, you've got a point there; I've always imagined Ferrus as bald, and I think he's bald on the cover of 'Fulgrim' (although he's also wielding a Power Wrench so go figure). I guess it could be to help distinguish him from Perturabo?
Yes I had imagined Ferrus as being bald, with his body and shoulders being very heavily armoured. Although, guess that's always the way when you have been reading a book for years and a film (in this case miniature) comes along.. at least it's not Tom Cruise for Jack Reacher level
sockwithaticket wrote:Fair enough, I thought it'd be part of his character design, though I don't see how that incident means he can't armour up?
I think he's still okay considering that his bare hands literally melted a sword. But then he got the gak kicked out of him by Pretty Pretty Princess Fulgrim.
Lockark wrote:Actully in Angel Exterminatus it's established that Hours took forgebreaker and turned into into a Deamon weapon that he gifted to Perturabo.
Sorry, you are correct. The reason why I thought it was Fulgrim that gave it to him was because Fulgrim was one of the other central characters in Angel Exterminatus.
Love this model, return to form after the very disappointing Kor Phaeron and Erebus. The paint job doesn't do it justice at all, I actually prefer the unpainted pictures.
One problem I have with the diorama is that they are so far apart. Both having a swing and a miss takes away from the drama for me.
Maybe I missed it in the discussion but wasn't Ferrus wielding a custom made sword and Fulgrim the hammer during the duel (until the last blow by Fulgrim with the daemon weapon)?
Yes this is their battle on Istevan v and explains the marines on the base. Their first battle was on the iron hands vessel and they were the only two in the room. And Fulgrim wielded the hammer.
I'll have to reread it--but if memory serves, after their confrontation on Ferrus's ship--Fulgrim took the hammer after Ferrus destroyed his (non Laer) sword. Then when they met on Isstvan, Fulgrim pulled out the hammer he had originally made for Ferrus (and subsequently) stole--while Ferrus pulled out a sword he made after their initial battle.
Ferrus made fireblade (the sword) and fulgrim made breaker (tha hammer)
They then gifted eachother the weapons they had made.
When ferrus attacked fulgrim on the IH ship, fulgrim knocked him unconscious and swapped the weapons back to remind him of the way the friendship had ended.
So in theory, the models are wrong Ferrus should have had the fireblade and fulgrim should have breaker and his laer blade.
Still though, being an IH player this model is simply amazing.
Trying to create a large and imposing model that looks dynamic is not easy, but they did it.
Other thing was giving him bare arms that didnt look goofy.
Again, they have done it.
This will be an auto-buy the second im able to order it
I just checked "Fulgrim" again and Jackal and Ageofegos are correct. All of that changing of weapons is quite confusing lol I still would have thought Ferrus would have been bigger.
Gentlemen, I'd suggest you take a look at the FW items you were planning on purchasing; there has been a slight price rise on most products.
Infantry squads went up on average by 1 pound, low-value items .5 or 1 pound, and the various super-heavies and big ticket items up by more, between 3 and 7 pounds.
MajorStoffer wrote: Gentlemen, I'd suggest you take a look at the FW items you were planning on purchasing; there has been a slight price rise on most products.
Infantry squads went up on average by 1 pound, low-value items .5 or 1 pound, and the various super-heavies and big ticket items up by more, between 3 and 7 pounds.
Not much of a surprise there. FW prices haven't even been keeping up with inflation, so the only question was when we'd finally see a price increase.
MajorStoffer wrote: Gentlemen, I'd suggest you take a look at the FW items you were planning on purchasing; there has been a slight price rise on most products.
Infantry squads went up on average by 1 pound, low-value items .5 or 1 pound, and the various super-heavies and big ticket items up by more, between 3 and 7 pounds.
Not much of a surprise there. FW prices haven't even been keeping up with inflation, so the only question was when we'd finally see a price increase.
Makes complete sense, unlike GW price changes, but it remains news nonetheless.
Based of this Ferrus model, I'm pretty sure Vulcan will be the best of all of them. I mean, his armor is going to have a dragon theme, no other primarch has anything that cool.
MajorStoffer wrote: Gentlemen, I'd suggest you take a look at the FW items you were planning on purchasing; there has been a slight price rise on most products.
Infantry squads went up on average by 1 pound, low-value items .5 or 1 pound, and the various super-heavies and big ticket items up by more, between 3 and 7 pounds.
Not much of a surprise there. FW prices haven't even been keeping up with inflation, so the only question was when we'd finally see a price increase.
LOL... More like FW prices have not been keeping up with GW prices.
As someone who has poured resin for a living, it looks to me like Forge World's pricing model goes somewhat like this: Figure out a reasonable retail price based on production costs, and then double that number (at the minimum) to get the Forge World price. Inflation is irrelevant to the way FW prices its pieces.
MajorStoffer wrote: Gentlemen, I'd suggest you take a look at the FW items you were planning on purchasing; there has been a slight price rise on most products.
Infantry squads went up on average by 1 pound, low-value items .5 or 1 pound, and the various super-heavies and big ticket items up by more, between 3 and 7 pounds.
Not much of a surprise there. FW prices haven't even been keeping up with inflation, so the only question was when we'd finally see a price increase.
LOL... More like FW prices have not been keeping up with GW prices.
As someone who has poured resin for a living, it looks to me like Forge World's pricing model goes somewhat like this: Figure out a reasonable retail price based on production costs, and then double that number (at the minimum) to get the Forge World price. Inflation is irrelevant to the way FW prices its pieces.
Tim
Probably neither.
Pricing will be based on (estimated) demand for a given supply. If demand picks up, increase prices (or supply, but that usually takes longer). If demand for GW plastic rises faster than for FW resin, their prices will rise faster. Makes sense, no?
Zweischneid wrote: .
Pricing will be based on (estimated) demand for a given supply. If demand picks up, increase prices (or supply, but that usually takes longer). If demand for GW plastic rises faster than for FW resin, their prices will rise faster. Makes sense, no?
Might make sense if demand for GW plastic was rising, but demand is actually dropping, especially in the UK and Europe as shown by the lower 2012/2013 sales figures for these regions.
It has been argued that GW plastic price increases are a direct result of dropping sales.
I have Angron (I dare not attempt to paint him) and I have the Loken / Abaddon (I have done a poor job on Mr Abaddon since the GW one sucks) but i love this new model!
I am not really down with Ferrus as a character so far but what a great model!
I just wish they'd get a shift on. Yeah we get it they are special but they could pump them out a little faster. After all FW or GW aren't going to run out of models to make are they! I really want Rogal Dorn & Sigismund (and Russ & Sanguinius)!
Also will they be making 2 Horus's? (Perhaps 2 Fulgrim's also). They both go through a lot of changes during the war.
BTW anyone else get that problem - buying these special one-off pieces and they being afraif to ruin it with your crappy paint skills?
Jackal wrote: Ferrus made fireblade (the sword) and fulgrim made breaker (tha hammer)
They then gifted eachother the weapons they had made.
When ferrus attacked fulgrim on the IH ship, fulgrim knocked him unconscious and swapped the weapons back to remind him of the way the friendship had ended.
So in theory, the models are wrong Ferrus should have had the fireblade and fulgrim should have breaker and his laer blade.
That's BL fluff and FW doesn't have to care about it if they don't want to. GW fluff is full of contradictions, it's part of its charm.
The Primarch of the Iron Hands Legion was a figure of legend amongst the peoples of his home world of Medusa, named by them ‘the Gorgon’ after the most ancient of mythic creatures. Ferrus was amongst the strongest of the Primarchs, reflected in this giant figure, dwarfing many of his brother Primarchs.
Forge World will be attending UK Games Day, held on Sunday 29th September at the NIA in Birmingham, and Ferrus Manus, the latest model in our Horus Heresy Character series, will be available to purchase on the day. As part of our Games Day UK previews, we have a feature on the Forge World Visual Feed about the Primarch of the Iron Hands Legion. In our latest video, designer Simon Egan talks about how he created the model of the Gorgon and how it can be incorporated with Fulgrim to form a stunning diorama.
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The gangs of Cthonia, from which the Sons of Horus recruited many of its warriors, had a profound influence not only on the Legion’s character but also its appearance. In battle its wargear would often be adorned with spikes, Cthonian glyphs and additional armour plates, leaving those it unleashed war upon in no doubt of its savage ferocity.
The warriors of the Legiones Astartes are the Imperium’s elite, and their officers are commonly equipped with the finest wargear imaginable. In the 41st Millennium, the Armouriums of the great Space Marine Chapters contain many war-relics, ancient weapons with histories as noble and storied as the battle-brothers that have borne them into combat.
The Mk II and Mk III power weapon sets, designed by Will Hayes contain a huge variety of weapons and equipment. The kits comprise of ten melta-bombs, five pairs of arms, three Phobos-pattern bolt pistols, three power fists, two lightning claws, two power axes, two power swords, two power gladius, one sheathed gladius, two chainswords, two hand-flamers, two plasma pistols, two Volkite Serpentas, a thunder hammer, a power maul and a heavy chainsword. This cornucopia of wargear is perfect for use with our range of resin Space Marine Infantry, and is also fully compatible with Games Workshop’s plastic kits. These models are available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Monday 30th September.
The new power weapons look great, but I can't see what the diffrence is between the MkII and MkIII sets...
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Oh. the only difference is with the arms and heavy chainsword. Otherwise all the power weapons and pistols are exactly the same... Seems like wasted opportunity to add more weapon variations to the range.
Jackal wrote: Ferrus made fireblade (the sword) and fulgrim made breaker (tha hammer)
They then gifted eachother the weapons they had made.
When ferrus attacked fulgrim on the IH ship, fulgrim knocked him unconscious and swapped the weapons back to remind him of the way the friendship had ended.
So in theory, the models are wrong Ferrus should have had the fireblade and fulgrim should have breaker and his laer blade.
That's BL fluff and FW doesn't have to care about it if they don't want to. GW fluff is full of contradictions, it's part of its charm.
It's not just that, the book may well describe the fight exactly as BL did, but regardless of the whole diorama aspect they have going on, people have to be able to use these models individually in games, which for a lot of Tenth Legion fans is going to mean pre-Isstvan V when Ferrus still used the hammer.
SOH torsos are awesome, may make a squad for my chapter with some fluff about being especially brutal close quarter fighters to justify them. The power weapon packs are frusrating. Giant chainsword (yes!), phobos pistols, chainswords, and poseable Mk. 3 arms all work for me, but a lot of those power weapons and extra pistols look pretty naff to me. The Mk.IV hand flamers, for example, look far superior to those offered here and those axes in particular look like they belong in fantasy rather than 30k.
sockwithaticket wrote: SOH torsos are awesome, may make a squad for my chapter with some fluff about being especially brutal close quarter fighters to justify them. The power weapon packs are frusrating. Giant chainsword (yes!), phobos pistols, chainswords, and poseable Mk. 3 arms all work for me, but a lot of those power weapons and extra pistols look pretty naff to me. The Mk.IV hand flamers, for example, look far superior to those offered here and those axes in particular look like they belong in fantasy rather than 30k.
funny, the first second that i saw the Power Axes, i thought of Space Wolves...
they look perfect for the Puppies, especially with the heavy MkIII arm guards...
never did like the old style Hand Flamers, though...
the new BA style is much cooler...
I prefer the MkII/III power axes to the MkIV ones- much more brutal looking, and have more of a boarding axe feel to them which fits with the CQB aspect of MkIII armour much better than the other power axes made by FW. The power gladii are great too!
Serving alongside the Destroyers of the Word Bearers Legion, the Ashen Circle was a unique formation created for a unique purpose; the destruction of culture, learning and faith. These Space Marines were iconoclasts, charged beyond the battlefield with hunting down works of false doctrine and those who purveyed it, consigning both to destruction and eradicating flame.
Designed by Steve Whitehead, the Ashen Circle will be available as a pre-release at Games Day UK in limited quantities.
One of the first malignant tools made manifest in the Emperor's Children Legion after the Heresy were the strange and experimental psycho-sonic weapons that would come to be known as the Cacophony or ‘Kakophoni’ in the ancient form. They were savagely powerful but also dangerously unpredictable in their first incarnations.
Designed by Steve Whitehead, the Kakophoni will be available as a pre-release at Games Day UK in limited quantities.
Games Day UK Forge World will be attending UK Games Day, held on Sunday 29th September at the NIA in Birmingham. The head of Forge World Tony Cottrell and writer Alan Bligh will be holding two seminars during the day. Games Day attendees can pick up free tickets for these seminars at the Forge World Designers stand on the day. The first Seminar begins at 11:30am and the second seminar is at 2:15pm – both seminars will contain the same presentation.
Ferrus Manus, the latest model in our Horus Heresy Character series, will be available to purchase on the day, along with The Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre, Erebus and Kor Phaeron, and the Tau XV107 R'varna Battlesuit. There will be a limited quantity of these pre-release products available at Games Day UK, so we suggest that you turn up early at our Sales stand to avoid disappointment.
Hulksmash wrote: My god....When the BA codex gets redone (and maybe assault mariens sucks less) I can easily see building an army out of the Ashen Circle....
I love them. I like the Noise Marines but I LOVE the Ashen Circle.
When OUR BA codex gets redone hopefully there will HHBA MK III suits!
Wow, the kakophony look fantastic. The word bearers have a lot of good details, but kinda' derpy poses.and helmets. Also, I feel like the old jump packs ride a little too high.
Of all the recent releases those Kakophoni marines look absolutely fantastic. Been holding off starting a HH army but i think those have finally tipped me over the edge
I was thinking more along the lines of gratuitous butt shot. Hey, if female minis get it done all the time, why not do it for astartes once in a while as well?
regarding the ashen circle - although its put in finer words under their description, the back of the hand weapons are designed for hooking books off the liberatee's library shelves and then flamed to burn all false belief.
When i saw the mock up pics at the HH weekend i thought they would have been terminators :(
They anticipate having a provisional date released for next years HH weekender out in October for those of us who have to book our lives that far in advance
The noise marines look great, and cool weapons too. It looks like much of Forgeworld's "sculpting left arms for holding heavy weapons" budget went there too, no dumb "holding tiny bolter on top of autocannon" sculpting nonsense.
Lovely models, don't even compare to the laughably awful centurion models GW released this month. It's as if marines turned from brutal soldier in 30k to my big fat gipsy wedding tryout girls by 40k.
On the one hand, I sort of want the Fire Raptor more than any other Forgeworld model ever.
On the other hand, I saw that Storm Eagle build walkthrough on here. I can't do what he did, not at all. I can't come close. And I don't have $152 to spend on a model that is going to look like garbage after I assemble it.
On the one hand, I sort of want the Fire Raptor more than any other Forgeworld model ever.
On the other hand, I saw that Storm Eagle build walkthrough on here. I can't do what he did, not at all. I can't come close. And I don't have $152 to spend on a model that is going to look like garbage after I assemble it.
welp that post just completely turned me off from ever buying a storm eagle
That Fire Raptor looks like it'd be an awesome stand in for anything, "Stormraven"... Damn you forgeworld! Why you gotta go and improve greatly upon utter crap!
Alfndrate wrote: That Fire Raptor looks like it'd be an awesome stand in for anything, "Stormraven"... Damn you forgeworld! Why you gotta go and improve greatly upon utter crap!
i'm so hoping that mechanicum get some decent AA capabilities now as that looks like a lot of twin linked fun pew pewing my robots :(
I can imagine that fire raptor having a whole squad of night lords latched onto the outside as it comes in low and they jump off and flay the skin off anything. looking at this makes me think what they will do when they start on the stormbird - bigger and more baddass is going to be more difficult now
On the one hand, I sort of want the Fire Raptor more than any other Forgeworld model ever.
On the other hand, I saw that Storm Eagle build walkthrough on here. I can't do what he did, not at all. I can't come close. And I don't have $152 to spend on a model that is going to look like garbage after I assemble it.
welp that post just completely turned me off from ever buying a storm eagle
I'm sorry about that, but it's probably better you know the truth while your credit card is safely in your wallet. The regret you feel, I know that feeling intimately as my heart sank, reading post after post.
Fire Raptor looks brilliant, the already mentioned storm eagle build thread has put me off anything extremely complex made by FW though. The Vindicator looks awesome, like a baby Typhon, will be getting one of those I reckon for Christmas.
On the one hand, I sort of want the Fire Raptor more than any other Forgeworld model ever.
On the other hand, I saw that Storm Eagle build walkthrough on here. I can't do what he did, not at all. I can't come close. And I don't have $152 to spend on a model that is going to look like garbage after I assemble it.
welp that post just completely turned me off from ever buying a storm eagle
I'm sorry about that, but it's probably better you know the truth while your credit card is safely in your wallet. The regret you feel, I know that feeling intimately as my heart sank, reading post after post.
yeah that entire thread is just nuts, I'm more then happy to pay forgeworld pricing for a sexy model, but I shouldnt need to have a personal forge in my house to put the damn thing together, to date I've avoided ordering large models from forgeworld as I've always been scared that it would be just like that guy lays it out. I'm more then able to deal with some problems on the smaller models but I'm not interested in having to go nuts to get a tank sized kit together.
While you don't need the "personal forge" that he used in that thread, I will admit the Storm Eagle was one of the hardest to put together Kits from FW I've ever assembled, much more so than my titans or my Assault Ram. With all that being said, though, it wasn't THAT hard to build with some patience and a second set of hands.
cincydooley wrote: While you don't need the "personal forge" that he used in that thread, I will admit the Storm Eagle was one of the hardest to put together Kits from FW I've ever assembled, much more so than my titans or my Assault Ram. With all that being said, though, it wasn't THAT hard to build with some patience and a second set of hands.
I'll grant you the 'patience' thing, but a second set of hands?
FW stuff really shouldn't really ever be sent out as badly warped as it often is.
On the one hand, I sort of want the Fire Raptor more than any other Forgeworld model ever.
On the other hand, I saw that Storm Eagle build walkthrough on here. I can't do what he did, not at all. I can't come close. And I don't have $152 to spend on a model that is going to look like garbage after I assemble it.
welp that post just completely turned me off from ever buying a storm eagle
I'm sorry about that, but it's probably better you know the truth while your credit card is safely in your wallet. The regret you feel, I know that feeling intimately as my heart sank, reading post after post.
yeah that entire thread is just nuts, I'm more then happy to pay forgeworld pricing for a sexy model, but I shouldnt need to have a personal forge in my house to put the damn thing together, to date I've avoided ordering large models from forgeworld as I've always been scared that it would be just like that guy lays it out. I'm more then able to deal with some problems on the smaller models but I'm not interested in having to go nuts to get a tank sized kit together.
From what I've read and seen, alot of other FW kits of that size aren't nearly as hard to put together. The Caestus Assault Ram is actually pretty straight foreword. The level of effort that goes into a Storm egal is comparable to a Thunderhawk...
Well plastic combo kits have made some FW kits easier to put together, it has had some sort of bizzaro effect on the Storm Raven!
O___o
Also on the topic of hard to put together forgeworld kits. Apparently the land raider's proteus andSpartan aren't a walk in the park either. Straightening out the tracks is apparently a paint in the ass.
Alfndrate wrote: That Fire Raptor looks like it'd be an awesome stand in for anything, "Stormraven"... Damn you forgeworld! Why you gotta go and improve greatly upon utter crap!
FW might make a better looking vehicle in theory and/or for photo shoots but reality might have then trending closer to GW/Utter Crap than not!
I did not miss that thread, I saw that Ouze posted it. Unfortunately the OP of that thread didn't upload his photos to Dakka, so I'm unable to view them. It's currently on my "to view when I get home" list. It still doesn't deter me from the fact that the kit itself looks fantastic. The Stormraven looks like garbage and the kit was pretty easy to build, I would expect the opposite with the Fire Raptor.
I really want to get a fire raptor and have it flying at an angle to have one of the HB turrets pointed at the ground. Something like an AC-130 when it dose an attack run.
On the one hand, I sort of want the Fire Raptor more than any other Forgeworld model ever.
On the other hand, I saw that Storm Eagle build walkthrough on here. I can't do what he did, not at all. I can't come close. And I don't have $152 to spend on a model that is going to look like garbage after I assemble it.
welp that post just completely turned me off from ever buying a storm eagle
I'm sorry about that, but it's probably better you know the truth while your credit card is safely in your wallet. The regret you feel, I know that feeling intimately as my heart sank, reading post after post.
Ouze - It is not as bad as that thread makes it out to be, and certainly depends on what OCD level you are willing to accept with the final model.
Alfndrate wrote: That Fire Raptor looks like it'd be an awesome stand in for anything, "Stormraven"... Damn you forgeworld! Why you gotta go and improve greatly upon utter crap!
FW might make a better looking vehicle in theory and/or for photo shoots but reality might have then trending closer to GW/Utter Crap than not!
I did not miss that thread, I saw that Ouze posted it. Unfortunately the OP of that thread didn't upload his photos to Dakka, so I'm unable to view them. It's currently on my "to view when I get home" list. It still doesn't deter me from the fact that the kit itself looks fantastic. The Stormraven looks like garbage and the kit was pretty easy to build, I would expect the opposite with the Fire Raptor.
Yeah, you're really going to want to look at those pictures.
I'll grant you the 'patience' thing, but a second set of hands?
FW stuff really shouldn't really ever be sent out as badly warped as it often is.
Yeah, the 2nd set of hands part comes with the short patience. He's using the clamps as that 2nd set. It could also be partially due to me being a clumsy mess, but the fuselage is long and requires that everything be lined up perfectly in order for it to fit together. If you can imagine a shipping box that hasn't been taped on either side, and it leaning to the left or right if you dont have it just right, thats what happened to it. My wife didn't do much....she just helped me get everything lined up while I glued and sprayed quick dry.
But yeah, its not awful, but it was more of a pain in the ass than some of the other large models I've built. My biggest frustrations were that fuselage and then, on the rear assault ramp, well, mine was all jacked up and I ended up just hacking a bunch of gak off so it fit.
Again, YMMV, and a lot of this may be due to the fact that I'm embarassingly impatient.
I'll grant you the 'patience' thing, but a second set of hands?
FW stuff really shouldn't really ever be sent out as badly warped as it often is.
Yeah, the 2nd set of hands part comes with the short patience. He's using the clamps as that 2nd set. It could also be partially due to me being a clumsy mess, but the fuselage is long and requires that everything be lined up perfectly in order for it to fit together. If you can imagine a shipping box that hasn't been taped on either side, and it leaning to the left or right if you dont have it just right, thats what happened to it. My wife didn't do much....she just helped me get everything lined up while I glued and sprayed quick dry.
But yeah, its not awful, but it was more of a pain in the ass than some of the other large models I've built. My biggest frustrations were that fuselage and then, on the rear assault ramp, well, mine was all jacked up and I ended up just hacking a bunch of gak off so it fit.
Again, YMMV, and a lot of this may be due to the fact that I'm embarassingly impatient.
Realy, they never shoud of casted such a long and thin part as a single piece.
On the one hand, I sort of want the Fire Raptor more than any other Forgeworld model ever.
On the other hand, I saw that Storm Eagle build walkthrough on here. I can't do what he did, not at all. I can't come close. And I don't have $152 to spend on a model that is going to look like garbage after I assemble it.
welp that post just completely turned me off from ever buying a storm eagle
I'm sorry about that, but it's probably better you know the truth while your credit card is safely in your wallet. The regret you feel, I know that feeling intimately as my heart sank, reading post after post.
yeah that entire thread is just nuts, I'm more then happy to pay forgeworld pricing for a sexy model, but I shouldnt need to have a personal forge in my house to put the damn thing together, to date I've avoided ordering large models from forgeworld as I've always been scared that it would be just like that guy lays it out. I'm more then able to deal with some problems on the smaller models but I'm not interested in having to go nuts to get a tank sized kit together.
From what I've read and seen, alot of other FW kits of that size aren't nearly as hard to put together. The Caestus Assault Ram is actually pretty straight foreword. The level of effort that goes into a Storm egal is comparable to a Thunderhawk...
Well plastic combo kits have made some FW kits easier to put together, it has had some sort of bizzaro effect on the Storm Raven!
O___o
Also on the topic of hard to put together forgeworld kits. Apparently the land raider's proteus andSpartan aren't a walk in the park either. Straightening out the tracks is apparently a paint in the ass.
Putting together a LR armoured proteus certainly isn't a cakewalk. The hardest part isn't the tracks (since it comes in sections rather than individual treads) it is getting the top and bottom sections (along with the engine block) to line up with the sides so it doesn't end up looking wonky from a front perspective (so that the entire tank is level rather than skewed to one side). That said it takes no longer to put together than any of their other resin-plastic hybrid kit (like the Achilles).
I would really like to see the pod-design on more SM vehicles, that said it's disappointing to see another dakka-ship and nothing really useful, like anti-tank weaponry. That said I am a massive fan of the Deimos Vindicator.
Also has anyone else noticed that the Kakophoni have some cloth tied around their forearms with a belt of some sort. I think I can see the right arm being tied to the weapon (how this managed to support the weapon in any way is beyond me) but doesn't really serve a purpose on the left arm. Very pedantic but why the cloth and leather belt over *power armour*. It's not a flourish like a tabard or robes so...any ideas?
Brother Paen wrote: Stormraven , a For Sale sign and some screen shots is all it takes...and some weapon bits. Look in my gallery here on dakka. It can be done.
Or the Chapterhouse extension kit goes a long way in helping convert the Raven to an Eagle. Although I wouldn't consider the Chapterhouse kit an easy one as there are some sizing issues with the new panels that require careful trimming and filling. I have two kits on order to go with the two already built so I might build those as the new gunship...
Yes the Eagle is an advanced kit, mostly because of the way the master was cast and the poor state of FW casting these days but I really wouldn't let that put you off if you really want one. That guy is an amazingly high quality modeler and you don't have to work at the same level and probably don't with the kits you've bit in the past. If you have a good collection of mini clamps and braces. I usually soak the panels in hot water, then lay them on flat board and either lay something heavy on top of them or clamp them. This gets you about 90% of the way there then you can get the hull together and then straighten them the final 10% as its being glued. This will work with any FW resin that isn't too thick or has bracing sections on it (doesn't work too well on the top piece for the Thunderhawk).
Can't wait to see what else FW shows off at the upcoming Gamesday! I hope they's sell a version of the Vindicator with the Laser Destroyer array upgrade!
If I'm right, then tomorrow's newsletter will be the Legion Kharibydis (spelling?) assault claw. IIRC, that's the only model shown at the Horus Heresy weekender that hasn't been released yet.
The Fire Raptor is a specialised variant of the Storm Eagle known to have its origins in the Imperium’s dim and distant past. The vehicle is configured to maximise ammunition stowage in order to feed the voracious appetite of its numerous weapons and this is achieved by sacrificing the Storm Eagle’s transport capacity.
Designed by Stuart Williamson, the Fire Raptor will be available as a pre-release at Games Day UK in limited quantities.
A powerful assault tank, the Vindicator's principal armament is a heavy-calibre demolisher cannon capable of shattering fortifications and breaching the armour plates of tanks with equal ease.
Designed by Phil Stutcinskas, the Deimos Vindicator will be available as a pre-release at Games Day UK in limited quantities.
Even when the Night Lords were counted loyal, their nature and actions were ever questioned. Some argued that they were simply a function of necessity, the monsters needed to drag a barbaric age into the light. Some say that they were a mistake, a misjudgment compounded by circumstance. A few wonder if they were damned from the moment they were born, that they were destined never to be a part of the future they would help create. All such speculation is ultimately pointless; no matter the cause, they are creatures of horror and always were.
For this fallen Legion, we have created sets of doors for the Mk IIB Land Raider and Rhino. Designed by Steve Whitehead, these resin accessories are ideal for adding Night Lords iconography to your tanks and they are available to pre-order now for despatch from Monday 30th September. A limited quantity of these kits will be available at Games Day UK.
Games Day UK Forge World will be attending UK Games Day, held on Sunday 29th September at the NIA in Birmingham. The head of Forge World Tony Cottrell and writer Alan Bligh will be holding two seminars during the day, and Games Day attendees can pick up free tickets for these seminars at the Forge World Designers stand on the day. The first seminar begins at 11:30am and the second seminar is at 2:15pm – both seminars will contain the same presentation.
-Shrike- wrote: If I'm right, then tomorrow's newsletter will be the Legion Kharibydis (spelling?) assault claw. IIRC, that's the only model shown at the Horus Heresy weekender that hasn't been released yet.
Well, unless they had production issues, but other than that, it would make sense. Still, I hope it is- the Kharibydis looked awesome!
Ehsteve wrote:Also has anyone else noticed that the Kakophoni have some cloth tied around their forearms with a belt of some sort. I think I can see the right arm being tied to the weapon (how this managed to support the weapon in any way is beyond me) but doesn't really serve a purpose on the left arm. Very pedantic but why the cloth and leather belt over *power armour*. It's not a flourish like a tabard or robes so...any ideas?
Lexicanum wrote: 'Marius had fixed wraps of skin from the Maraviglia dead to his armour with spikes'
Judging by the entry on Lexicanum for Marius Vairosean, Captain of the Emperor's Children 3rd Company, following the performance of the Maraviglia in which daemonically possessed/chaotically tainted instruments were used, the Marines present took up the instruments after the performers had orgy-ed themselves to death becoming the first Noise Marines - who were dubbed the Kakaphoni. Hence, I'm guessing the item in question is skin from the performers. Lexicanum gives the citation of 'The Reflection Crack'd' as the source of this info.
EDIT: I should probably ask as well: Any News on when we'll see some new Salamanders stuff? I'm holding out for them, but the Mk III Armour (And pretty much all of the rest of FW) is winking at me...
The Fire Raptor is sweet looking. Hopefully it will fall into the FA slot and not the Heavy slot, not that I am in any big hurry to get one. My bank account next month is going to kick my ass from all the NL stuff I plan on getting.
Wow, I dont even like the Iron Hands, but those are pretty damn cool looking. The grumpy looking bald guy head is pretty characterful, I might have to go head hunting at a later date.
Fugggg that is badass. Those are some great bionic parts too. Iron Hands (and Iron Warriors after they scrape off the iconography) players will be ecstatic. Hell I'm even going to buy one and I don't even play IH
Crikey! That's superb! I like the overall simplicity in the design of the overall fortification but then it's brimming with incidental little details such as access doors and windows and positions to place turret systems. No doubt it'll be pricey but it's very striking looking, I know I wouldn't mind one!
edit: Ahh £90. I should have known, going by the pricing of the other tiles at any rate
When the situation calls for a prolonged deployment, Space Marines can rapidly construct modular fortified structures, known as Castellum Strongholds, to use as forward operating bases on a planet’s surface.
Designed by Blake Spence, the Realm of Battle Space Marine Castellum Stronghold is a 24" x 24" (609 mm x 609 mm) tile which can fit the Citadel Realm of Battle board. The model features areas that can accommodate Tarantula Sentry turrets, and its design allows several boards to be put together, expanding the size of the base. The Castellum Stronghold will be available as a pre-release at Games Day UK in limited quantities.
Since the dark times of the Horus Heresy, in honour of their Primarch Ferrus Manus, the Iron Hands ritually replace their right hands with a mechanical augmentation; to them flesh has become symbolic of weakness and weakness is something that they will not tolerate.
Designed by Israel Gonzalez, Iron Hands Legion Squad the is a five man multi-part kit fitted out in Mk III Iron Armour that features many details such as cybernetic limbs, a nuncio-vox and an auspex. This kit will be available as a pre-release at Games Day UK in limited quantities.
As well as the Castellum Stronghold and Iron Hands Legion Squad, we also have a number of other pre-release products available to purchase at Games Day UK this Sunday: Ferrus Manus, the latest model in our Horus Heresy Character series, The Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre, Erebus and Kor Phaeron, the Emperor's Children Legion Kakophoni, the Word Bearers Legion Ashen Circle, the Space Marine Fire Raptor, the Deimos Pattern Vindicator, the Giant River Troll Hag and the Tau XV107 R'varna Battlesuit. There will be a limited quantity of these pre-release products available on the day, so we suggest that you turn up early at our Sales stand to avoid disappointment
In preparation for the release of The Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre, we have put up a series of videos in our Visual Feed about the book and the models which are featured inside it. In our latest video, designer Simon Egan talks about how he created the model of Ferrus Manus and how it can be incorporated with Fulgrim to form a stunning diorama.
You can also watch Edgar Skomorowski talking about Erebus and Kor Phaeron, our trailer for The Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre as well as a video of writer Alan Bligh talking about what you can expect to find in this forthcoming book here .
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Forge World will be attending UK Games Day, held on Sunday 29th September at the NIA in Birmingham. The head of Forge World Tony Cottrell and writer Alan Bligh will be holding two seminars during the day, and Games Day attendees can pick up free tickets for these seminars at the Forge World Designers stand on the day. The first seminar begins at 11:30am and the second seminar is at 2:15pm – both seminars will contain the same presentation.
Also at our Designers stand will be two fantastic display tables: one depicting the Iron Hands surrounded on Isstvan V and the other showing the Imperial Fists boarding an Iron Warriors vessel.
Not sure if I like the space marine compound (kind of generic sci-fi without all that much of interest for play space), but those iron hands are gorgeous. They and Ferrus make me really interested in starting a little army of them. vEither that, or find something cool they could represent in my army.
edit: heh, I also like the pic with the dread on the wall, not sure how it got there...
Those Iron Hands actually make the chapter look interesting! I like that fortress too, it's one of the few Imperium themed pieces of scenery I've seen that isn't covered in Gothic arches and skulls.
Oh fer...could they not even resist retconning which hand they replace with bionics? It's the left hand they replace with a bionic implant because the chapter symbol is a left handed gauntlet design.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Not sure if I like the space marine compound (kind of generic sci-fi without all that much of interest for play space)...
The compound looks to have nothing really to mark it out as an imperial, no aquillas, skulls or angels. I do really like it though its a nice change but it looks more like one of the necron tiles.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Not sure if I like the space marine compound (kind of generic sci-fi without all that much of interest for play space)...
The compound looks to have nothing really to mark it out as an imperial, no aquillas, skulls or angels. I do really like it though its a nice change but it looks more like one of the necron tiles.
The iron hands are delicious!
Well, that's probably because it is designed to be used by both loyalist and traitor forces in HH battles, so it saves traitor players having to scrape all the aquilas off. I guess its not too hard to add some Aquila transfers or something to the model to make it more imperial (something which FW sells too, maybe that is intentional?) . Lack of skulls is odd either way though, they are usually used as cameras and stuff, so i would expect some skulls on it.
EDIT: Also just realised the wall crenellation pattern and general design is very similar to one of the wall designs in the original Dawn of War game and it's expansion packs. So that may be where the design inspiration came from. I thought I recognised something about it when I first saw the model.
Honestly, I'm not impressed with the new ROB tile. It's just too blocky and plain, it looks like a cheap toy from walmart, not a $150 top-end piece of gaming terrain.
I am perplexed by the criticism of the RoB board. Everyone criticized GW's bunker line of Skulls and dead Cadians, now people are complaining that FW didn't bathe their piece in skulls and Eagles?
I think the new fortress piece just looks too plain. I don't need skulls and eagles all over it, but it looks too much like something I could build myself. It just looks unimaginative. When I first got the email and was reading it, before I knew it was a ROB piece, I was looking forward to seeing something like the Fortress of Redemption or a Bastion done in the better tech of the HH era. But, oh well, gotta keep pushing the ROB boards...
I want to see a Space Marine fort that actually looks like it could have been dropped in from orbit by droppod or Thunderhawk.
SickSix wrote: I am perplexed by the criticism of the RoB board. Everyone criticized GW's bunker line of Skulls and dead Cadians, now people are complaining that FW didn't bathe their piece in skulls and Eagles?
There's a middle ground between "too plain and blocky" and "dump it in glue and roll it around in a pile of skulls and purity seals". The GW bunkers looked stupid because they were covered in random corpses and skulls for no good reason, like the designer was terrified of flat surfaces. The FW ROB tile is disappointing because it's so bland and featureless, like it was rushed out to fill a "$150 large space marine kit" release slot instead of being something really cool that just had to be made. Though, on second thought, it may have a lot to do with the disappointing paint job. With a bit of work it might have more potential than I first thought.
For an example of a good terrain piece with a similar idea consider this one:
See how it looks a lot more like a 40k-only model, and has better realism and fine detail?
the casting process restricts the height/depth of the board in order to make it a single cast. I actually like it, i'd like to see FW do a deal with tarantula parts with it though as its going to get very expensive on a viable build.
I'm hoping they start on a few more city tiles now to add to the existing 4 - however, its only one person that does the terrain so i cross my fingers :(
it looks like FW are making a conserved effort to make IH the best looking army as they appear very little after istvaan i suspect sales will drop a little.
after seeing this, how long do you think the queue for the FW retail stand is going to be?
SickSix wrote: I am perplexed by the criticism of the RoB board. Everyone criticized GW's bunker line of Skulls and dead Cadians, now people are complaining that FW didn't bathe their piece in skulls and Eagles?
There's a middle ground between "too plain and blocky" and "dump it in glue and roll it around in a pile of skulls and purity seals". The GW bunkers looked stupid because they were covered in random corpses and skulls for no good reason, like the designer was terrified of flat surfaces. The FW ROB tile is disappointing because it's so bland and featureless,
For an example of a good terrain piece with a similar idea consider this one:
See how it looks a lot more like a 40k-only model, and has better realism and fine detail?
That board is the perfect balance, stunning piece. But the new one grows on me more and more definitely prefer it to the GW over the top redemption fortress, wall of martyrs etc
Fugggg that is badass. Those are some great bionic parts too. Iron Hands (and Iron Warriors after they scrape off the iconography) players will be ecstatic. Hell I'm even going to buy one and I don't even play IH
Nod. Saw that in the newsletter and had the thoughts that:
1) I NEED those for my Iron Warriors.
2) I'll now be putting together a small detachment of Iron Hands.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh fer...could they not even resist retconning which hand they replace with bionics? It's the left hand they replace with a bionic implant because the chapter symbol is a left handed gauntlet design.
Continued lack of quality control within the GW stables.......or they just don't give a stuff.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh fer...could they not even resist retconning which hand they replace with bionics? It's the left hand they replace with a bionic implant because the chapter symbol is a left handed gauntlet design.
Continued lack of quality control within the GW stables.......or they just don't give a stuff.
Or it is because the right hand is far more visible, and they did the same thing in the old IHIA article.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh fer...could they not even resist retconning which hand they replace with bionics? It's the left hand they replace with a bionic implant because the chapter symbol is a left handed gauntlet design.
Continued lack of quality control within the GW stables.......or they just don't give a stuff.
Or it is because the right hand is far more visible, and they did the same thing in the old IHIA article.
Here's a radical thought, make some of them left-handed.
I feel so smug. I literally just started collecting SoH, now I get the new frankly awesome kits for them and their dreadnoughts plus I can use Erebus in the army as he attaches fluff wise. As an added bonus I can then use daemons with them.
On an unrelated note, anybody else REALLY dislike the Ferrus Manus model?
BaconUprising wrote: On an unrelated note, anybody else REALLY dislike the Ferrus Manus model?
I think it's one of the best they've ever done.
Then again I don't know the character and I don't really like Space Marines that much in general (I like Salamanders but wouldn't start an army of them, and definitely not at modern prices). But for a helmetless, bare-armed dude with a big hammer it looks pretty badass.
That is a conversion. On reflection I don't mind the model I just really really dislike the head. And the fact it looks like he has a badly kept tool box on his back...
I only have one complaint about these Myrmidons; they make my own efforts to convert something similar look like total arse.
Now, how do I explain to my mate's kids that they're not getting any presents this Christmas because Uncle Yodhrin had to give all his money away to the nice men at Forgeworld......
Jeez...Between the Primarch and the models for the IH I am mightily tempted. But if they're doing this well with IH they should do well with the IW so I'll hold out...or use parts from these
i see ebay is doing well with all the new products
for the guys who posted the ad mech stuff - can you put the pics up in a different format as my work pc isnt showing them and i'm not going to get to see open access to the net until 23rd October. if you do it i'll post a load of pics from the next HH weekender
Poor Deathguard and their eternally never showing up Primach....It's not annoying at all that two primarchs from the new book will be out before primarchs from the first.
I thought the arm from the model behind Lorgar in the unpainted pic was part of the model for a second when I first saw it He's already giving himself to chaos...
Yeah, he doesn't seem worth it for a £50 kit. If it actually was a conversion / scratch build, I'd say it's amazing. For an actual primarch model, he just seems a bit... lackluster?
I think it partially has to do with him being a little weeny. He's not a bad mother like all the other Primarchs. He's generally held in contempt even by his own side. The model does convey that pretty well. The fac that he's also the only model not in an engaged stance says wonders too.
That said I'm only interested in him as part of collecting all Primarchs. One of them had to be Derp, just happens to have happened early.
Lorgar (if that's him) does look a bit lacking.
The more dynamic poses of the others might be off with him,but still!
And the scenic base simply being "big rocks!" to compensate the others dead-piles isn't convincing to me.
I'm not a fan of the action posed primarchs thus far, so I actually like Lorgar. I'm still hoping Forgeworld will release the alternative Fulgrim, but that's not very likely.
Anyway, the new Sicaran looks great. Just have to wait to see the rules before I decide which Sicaran to get.
Bit sad to see it took my fellow dakkanauts so long to identify them as Death Guard...
Really promising kits.
Lorgar is the only meh one really. He just looks a bit too generic. He is one of the taller Primarchs (IIRC?), thought he would have been more... slender.
Looks more like a dual-feed rad-missile launcher - like those used by destroyer squads. That's probably the biggest give-away connecting them to the Death Guard, as a Legion hailing from a radioactive diseased world is bound to be un-fussed by making use of rad-weapons on others. I can't see if it really is crossed scythes on the belt buckle, but even if it isn't, the 'X' mark is a common symbol denoting death - particularly on the doors of plague victims. So my bets firmly on Death Guard - I just wish they'd hurry up with the Salamanders
Nothing I have seen in this thread has been bad in my eyes, I know people arent keen on Lorgar, but I personally like it. I mean the pose is a bit too static but its still a nice model.
@Medium of Death - Aye I'd agree on that point. Considering it's mostly the young who are zealous in life, I'd imagine Lorgar to be far younger looking. At the moment he looks more like a frail old man.
Warpig1815 wrote:@Medium of Death - Aye I'd agree on that point. Considering it's mostly the young who are zealous in life, I'd imagine Lorgar to be far younger looking. At the moment he looks more like a frail old man.
Malika2 wrote:
Compel wrote: They should have sculpted in his tattoos, like Erebus.
That's the only thing that bugs me about the model!
I think combining these two points would get over my dislike for the model. It's really just the head. Sort it out FW! (although it's probably too late).
SickSix wrote: How many types of terminators are Death Guard going to get?
They do look good however.
Well, the other legions in Betrayal have all got at least 2 unique units now (except World Eaters) so it seems reasonable. SoH and EC just got one terminator and one power armour unit each, DG get two terminator squads. Not to mention the Deathshroud probably aren't very numerous. The trend seems to be one bodyguard unit and one more mainstream specialist unit.
Those World Eater Terminators look grand, though I hope those heads aren't part of the body. Also, those Grave Guard are pretty Nurgle like, with those pipes and vents similar to Typhus.
Dunno if anyone has said but Simon Eagan is doing the next primarch after lorgar its Horus. They also said that they are aiming for 2 primarchs a year and that the sculptor that has done the legion will tend to do the primarchs.
Wow, 9 years for just the primarchs? Not counting their second releases for the Chaos ones that go DP on us. Seems long.
Oh, and those WE Termies are amazing. The plan is to eventually grab each primarch and his iconic unit (or special terminator squad if it's better) to paint up for display. Glad i hadn't picked up the Ravager dudes yet.
I was seriously going to stop buying GW minis... but after years of reading the Horus Heresy series.. and these amazing FW miniatures, I can't resist but get a few.
Ugly Green Trog wrote: Dunno if anyone has said but Simon Eagan is doing the next primarch after lorgar its Horus. They also said that they are aiming for 2 primarchs a year and that the sculptor that has done the legion will tend to do the primarchs.
In the second seminar they said 4 primarchs a year and 2 books. Also had a very long chat with Simon, what a great guy.
River Trolls inhabit the dark fens and marshes of the Old World, and have a reputation of being particularly foul and smelly, none more so than the Giant River Troll Hags. With lank hair, fetid breath and slime coated scaly skin, they are as revolting as they are formidable. Their tough hides are able to heal wounds at an incredible rate and their long loping limbs possess fearsome strength. Attracted by the rotting carrion left in the aftermath of a battle, Giant River Troll Hags and their brethren can be found accompanying armies of greenskins, who are often keen to exploit their brute force whenever they go to war.
Designed by Trish Carden, the Giant River Troll Hag is a multi-part resin model. This model is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from 30th September.
River Trolls inhabit the dark fens and marshes of the Old World, and have a reputation of being particularly foul and smelly, none more so than the Giant River Troll Hags. With lank hair, fetid breath and slime coated scaly skin, they are as revolting as they are formidable. Their tough hides are able to heal wounds at an incredible rate and their long loping limbs possess fearsome strength. Attracted by the rotting carrion left in the aftermath of a battle, Giant River Troll Hags and their brethren can be found accompanying armies of greenskins, who are often keen to exploit their brute force whenever they go to war.
Designed by Trish Carden, the Giant River Troll Hag is a multi-part resin model. This model is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from 30th September.
My wife loves this model, as she loves all things Trollish. I don't know if she, like, $100USD loves it though.
possibly the 2nd marine from the left looks to be using the one at the 11 o'clock position here tho ( tbh the bases were the only bit ive used /selvedged from the game lol)
ant who ..I wasn't keen on lorgar until I saw the unpainted pics .looks like the paint job they have used is just poo.
Oh Forge World, why oh why must you be so expensive and yet exquisite, like a beautiful siren coated in skulls and credit card debt...
Out of all the new stuff, Ferrus Bueller and his posse are scoring highest on the tasty scale, with the Admech fellas coming close second. I really like what FW are doing with Admech - keeping to the traditional flavour while developing their own distinct style from the rest of the Imperium. I just hope FW release regular 40k compatible rules for them at some point.
I'm loving all the mechanicus stuff - very happy that they are really fleshing out that line.
The iron hands are also looking amazing with all their bionics. I might just have to build some kind of admech/iron hand army. Sigh, every release just gets better.... I'll be waiting to see the rest of the releases, before I actually settle on a legion grrr.
Earlier today I was pondering, "Thay could do a more stern pose with one or two of the primarchs." But never expected being Lorgar. The pose could work for the Lion or Alpharius, even Guilliman.
Well that's a pretty big disappointment. Nothing at all besides marines, marines, and more marines? Not even a hint of more IA books in the foreseeable future?
Peregrine wrote: Well that's a pretty big disappointment. Nothing at all besides marines, marines, and more marines? Not even a hint of more IA books in the foreseeable future?
The Heresy stuff is the new hotness; it's driving sales and making FW rather large sums of money, so it's what they're focusing on. First Warhammer Forge got shoved to the sideline for it, now the regular FW stuff seems to have been sidelined to a point as well. I haven't heard a single whisper as to what the next book might be, or it's focus. This is somewhat understandable, as Massacre is next on the schedule for release, but for those of us not really interested in the HH expansion, there doesn't seem much to discuss. FW's new releases are all Mk IV shoulder pads of legion X, Contemptor Variant Z, and while they look cool, there are things other than marines out there.
Hell, I even like marines, but the idea of a solely marine vs marine game holds zero appeal to me, where's the dynamism, where's the asymmetry? The Legion list is totally awesome, the rules they've created look fun and amusing, but I have no use for any of it, as cool as it may look.
What Lorgar really needs is a near-death Avatar of Khaine to loom over. He may have been a bitch in most novels, but he certainly dropped a pair in Aurelian:
Looky Likey wrote: 4 Primarches a year, 18 Primarches, at least two versions per Primarch (bar Ferrus *may be*), 4 already done thats:
((18*2)-(1+4))/4=7.7 Years left at the current rate! Another 8 years or so, just crazy.
Two books a year means at least 14 or 15 more books. Three books a series, means we could have:
1-3 Isstvan
3-6 Prospero
7-9 Ultramar
10-12 ???
13-16 Terra
How does that sound?
fething painful is how it sounds to me. The absolute focus on marine v marine is easily the most dull aspect of the entirity of GW's hobby range, no matter how nice the actual models. I'd do anything for a bit of Xenos or Fantasy, I really did think that Warhammer Forge was a turning point and that we'd see a bit more variety. To hear news otherwise (Fantasy book pushed back for TWO years) is very disappointing.
Though, I'm probably the only one by the sounds of things. Everyone loves marines
Looky Likey wrote: 4 Primarches a year, 18 Primarches, at least two versions per Primarch (bar Ferrus *may be*), 4 already done thats:
((18*2)-(1+4))/4=7.7 Years left at the current rate! Another 8 years or so, just crazy.
Two books a year means at least 14 or 15 more books. Three books a series, means we could have:
1-3 Isstvan
3-6 Prospero
7-9 Ultramar
10-12 ???
13-16 Terra
How does that sound?
They are planning to get one version of all primarchs out before any alternates, so 3 years for the first version of all of them, also, the books Tony Cotrell said in the seminar that they had timelined up to 30 battles they could do books for, 3-6 is prospero, signus ( with dark angels thrown in), and Calth, by which point every legion except white scars will have had at least some love. After that there is talk of mars, and dark mechanicum, the plan being to put enough ad mech in the first six that when they get to dark mech there's already a well established starting point.
Prospero will definantly have custodes and sisters of silence, signus will obviously cover demons, Oh and Calth will include some imperial army.
shamikebab wrote: I assume the two versions of the traitors will be beginning of heresy/traitor but what are the two versions of the loyalists? Just different poses?
You are correct on the traitors, as for the loyalists Its poses, weapons, armour (such as corax with and without flight pack) etc, also there was talk of a possible "parade ground" set of poses for all. Its all fluid and a ways off yet, first priority is to nail down all 18 once, beyond that who knows.
When forgeworld write units like the NL Terror Squad in Massacre - are they going to do specific models for them or do we go buy any FW marine armour variant and make our own?
(Starting a Night Lords army and want to be as fluff accurate as possible -also what armour do they use mostly?)
Is there a release (or a rumoured release) schedule for Heresy units?
PredaKhaine wrote: When forgeworld write units like the NL Terror Squad in Massacre - are they going to do specific models for them or do we go buy any FW marine armour variant and make our own?
Right now it looks like all special/elite units are treated properly by FW and get their own models ... sometimes the rules come out earlier than the models and sometimes its the other way around.
Sirius42 wrote: They are planning to get one version of all primarchs out before any alternates, so 3 years for the first version of all of them, also, the books Tony Cotrell said in the seminar that they had timelined up to 30 battles they could do books for, 3-6 is prospero, signus ( with dark angels thrown in), and Calth, by which point every legion except white scars will have had at least some love. After that there is talk of mars, and dark mechanicum, the plan being to put enough ad mech in the first six that when they get to dark mech there's already a well established starting point.
Prospero will definantly have custodes and sisters of silence, signus will obviously cover demons, Oh and Calth will include some imperial army.
30 books at 2 a year would be insane if they meant 1 battle per book, 14 years is a very long time to keep everybody's interest especially as they are beginning to wind up the BLHH books and I estimate we have 2 or 3 years left of those.
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