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 AduroT wrote: LunarSol wrote:Assembly is very similar to Malifaux for what its worth. A lot of them are perfectly reasonable, but then there's a random fiddly bit. The one nice thing they do is there are often doubles of pieces that are prone to get lost in the carpet. Thus far nothing has topped the worst of my Malifaux assembly moments, but there are things that can be tricky if you're not used to fiddly bits.
There’s fiddly, and then there’s Loki’s horns.
On pieces like that I clip a chunk of sprue off with them to give them more heft and leave you a bigger piece to grasp. After the fiddly bit is assembled, clip off the sprue section. Worked well for the horns, the jaws on Shuri's gauntlets, Star Lord's head, etc.
Only thing that gave me a lot of trouble was lining up Okoye's hands.
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Yes, issues like that are across the board. Green stuff goes a long way with these guys.
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LunarSol wrote:I'm tempted to assemble some Nyss Hunters to see if they're still the worst or just a lack of experience. I'm in no way willing to do so, but tempted.
I never really had a problem with the grunts, only the leader of that unit. All their arms attached to the sides of their torsos, so it’s an easy pinch to hold them in place. But her arms attached upwards into her shoulders, so you couldn’t do that.
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AduroT wrote: LunarSol wrote:I'm tempted to assemble some Nyss Hunters to see if they're still the worst or just a lack of experience. I'm in no way willing to do so, but tempted.
I never really had a problem with the grunts, only the leader of that unit. All their arms attached to the sides of their torsos, so it’s an easy pinch to hold them in place. But her arms attached upwards into her shoulders, so you couldn’t do that.
I had completely forgotten about that. Guess its time to hide under my desk and do some repressing.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
LunarSol wrote:I'm tempted to assemble some Nyss Hunters to see if they're still the worst or just a lack of experience. I'm in no way willing to do so, but tempted.
Can confirm, they are still literally the incarnation of hell on Earth.
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Post by: Manchu
I know Mark has reconsidered his initial review but there’s a point he made I’d still take exception to: the notion that the game owes more to the Marvel IP than the rules. For me, it’s the total opposite. I am really impressed by the gameplay and really wish the system was paired up with an original setting or some other IP. I don’t hate Marvel but the MCU side of the house (Avengers, Guardians) does pretty well nothing for me. Nonetheless, I’ll be buying in because the play is just too fun.
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Post by: LunarSol
I'm constantly surprised by the gameplay myself. Originally I just wanted some of the figures because I like the characters, but the gameplay has me buying all the releases just because I've been playing enough that I want the variety.
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Post by: Manchu
Yeah, I have never been too excited about, for example, Baron Zemo ... but after playing the game, I’m like, yes please more Baron Zemo! Before playing, looking over the product line was about whether I liked the characters from the comics; now, I just want to play them in the game.
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Post by: LunarSol
I've been very impressed at how the game has managed to use character synergies to create a variety of of thematic builds in spite of the free for all nature of list building. I wasn't super enthused about the Cabal, but Red Skull/MODOK presents a fun unique playstyle that makes a nice break from the Avengers. I think the best example is Wakanda, which was something I was happy to pick up just Black Panther for my Avengers, but finally picked up Shuri and Okoye simply because of how a combination of the model pool and unique cards gives the affiliation a completely different strategy with minimal changes in characters.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
I can definitely see that. Purely personally I feel the IP keeps me excited, but the gameplay finally clicking satisfies once I am actually playing. Its certainly a better skirmish game even outside of IP than many others out there, but for me the two aspects together is huge.
I mean... Flightpath was X-wing sans IP, and it never really penetrated the market on its merits alone.
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Post by: LunarSol
There's no doubt that the IP gives the game an instant playerbase that it would otherwise have to earn with more effort put into artwork and lore.
To a degree, I actually think the WW2 setting of the prior flightpath games works against it by lumping it in with historicals.
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Post by: Azreal13
This chap got a mini spoiler yesterday. Basic attack can be physical or energy, can apply a range of effects and has a superpower that allows him to ignore LOS. There's another grainy image of the box which allows a bit of a preview of Agent Widow too, but don't have a copy of that.
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Post by: Manchu
Hawkeye is one of those characters that make people say, what’s he doing there alongside the likes of Thor and the Hulk? He’s just a normal dude. But MCP makes a good argument about why he belongs.
A lot of comic characters may be very powerful but the scope of their power is quite limited. MCP models this by dividing damage types/resistances into Physical, Energy, and Psionic. For every lock, there is a key — but it isn’t very important how mighty the key is if it won’t fit the lock. A character like Hawkeye carries a key ring, or to jump to another metaphor, a toolbox: his quiver is full of arrows that address a bunch of different kinds of problems, which makes him flexible and adaptable in a way that some more glowy heroes aren’t.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
There is a reason there are like tiers of heroes.
Street, City, country, globe and cosmic. I personally found myself liking city and street lvl heroes.
But there is a place for every hero. People joke about bows, but they can be surprisingly versatile. especially with comic logic.
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Post by: LunarSol
It's also somewhat a result of power creep in comics. Like, Tony is basically Superman at this point. His armor is in his bones and is durable enough to take nukes all day, flies at supersonic speeds with enough firepower to take on fleets of spacecraft. Hawkeye has never really been the focus of these moments of oneupsmanship, largely because much of his appeal comes from being relatively normal.
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Post by: Azreal13
Soon™
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Post by: Manchu
Two great characters, been waiting for then for a while now. They were previewed early on. Guess they were approved pretty quickly.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I like that pose more for regular spiderman.
Wonder if i can file it down and paint black suit spiderman.....
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feth no. Just wait for Symbiote Spidey, he's inevitable.
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Post by: Theophony
These were supposed to be released early on, but there was production issues. Glad they got them sorted out, they look great.
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Hawkeye's full card
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He’a pretty great!
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Post by: AduroT
I’m hoping for a Penny Parker myself. I’ve yet to pull the trigger on this game, but a full team of Spiders could push me over the edge.
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Post by: Manchu
If you’re trying to avoid getting into, one major piece of advice: don’t play it!
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Another preview has surfaced..
MODOK and (I suspect) Dr Strange are going to find him hard going.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Yikes! We're going to be seeing a lot of Ebony Maw, methinks. What a cool set of abilities!
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He's going to take some finesse to use well I think, undoubtedly potent offense, but get caught without two power to spend on Mind Over Matter and he'll fold like wet tissue.
But that size 4 throw though....
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Post by: Grot 6
WOAH!!!!
Yeah, That is going to take the game to a whole new level. What an awesome character!!
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Post by: Soul Samurai
 Grot 6 wrote:WOAH!!!!
Yeah, That is going to take the game to a whole new level. What an awesome character!!
I haven't played the game and have only glanced at the rules, but I'm curious about this comment. Do you mean a whole new level terms of character power levels (so power creep I guess?), or in terms of the level of tactics employed or terrain interaction or something like that?
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Post by: Manchu
It’s definitely not power creep, just in terms of brute power.
Ebony Maw has a range 4 8-dice attack that costs 4 power. Compare with M.O.D.O.K.’s range 4 7-dice attack that costs 3 power that is immediately repeated against another character within range 2 of the initial target for no additional power spend.
What’s tactically interesting about Ebony Maw’s Herald of Doom attack is it bucks the damage/power economy. In MCP, characters generally gain power equal to the damage they take; so smacking a character really hard potentially sets that character up to do something cool right back atcha, making for a neat risk/reward decision point for both players. Herald of Doom just damages the target, however. No upside at all for the target! (Unless the target is Hulk ...  )
That’s nowhere near the only interesting thing about Ebony Maw, but just focusing on his offensive potential.
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Also, Mind (attacks have either a Physical, Energy or Mind trait and characters have 3 corresponding defence values used depending on what sort they're being targeted by) has so far been the least used, so the presence of another character who uses those attacks heavily is in and of itself a significant change.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Lots of fun subtlety in the rules here, as others have said. I also appreciate the high execution here. As stated, if you catch him out of position, and without energy for MoM, your significant 5pt investment is going to fold like tissue.
As people know I am coming to really love this game, and every new release is just even better.
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Post by: Azreal13
Romanov has a particular set of skills she brings to the tabletop. She has all the toys you’d expect from a world-class spy and assassin, including a small arsenal of rapid-fire pistols, crowd-controlling tear gas grenades, and her signature gauntlets.
These wrist-mounted weapons give Black Widow, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. her Widow’s Kiss attack, a Strength 6 energy attack that gains an attack die for every special condition her target suffers. While the Widow’s Kiss has a limited range and costs 3 Power to use, it also has the Push special rule. If Black Widow rolls any wilds in the attack, she can push her target back just far enough for her innate Stealth superpower to work and limit her opponent’s options to retaliate.
Of course, this as an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. isn’t only the battlefield for fun. She’s on a mission. The Interrogate reactive superpower represents Black Widow’s focus on her mission objectives and is a way to boost the number of victory points a player scores on a turn. By spending 3 Power, during the Cleanup Phase Natasha’s team gains 1 VP if any dazed or KO’d enemies as she grills a wounded opponent for relevant information.
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“Natasha’s team gains 1 VP if any dazed or KO’d enemies”
if they what?
EDIT: OK card has been shown — Interrogate (3 Power) she must be within range 2 of one or more dazed enemies.
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Post by: Azreal13
That makes sense, I saw that and assumed it was a typo, but it wasn't obvious which way it needed to be corrected!
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Hawkeye and Nutasha confirmed for Avengers.
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Nutasha’s card:
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Eh... I'm more inclined to use her than the original, but I am not sure I would be in a rush to get her if Hawkeye wasn't bundled in. Definitely the least exciting of the next spoiled wave of releases.
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Post by: Manchu
If you want to use Clint, Nutasha is a great synergy.
Her ability to earn scenario-independent VPs is pretty crazy IMO, especially considering she can earn 2/3 power needed just by using her basic attack.
Threat 3 is a much more competitive bracket than Threat 2, however.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Anyone else think their sculpts are getting better? The detail on some of my initial figures was a bit shallow - Iron Man in particular had a soft sculpt where a lot of the detail just didnt come out. My Wakandans turned out great, and other than Loki's face, the Asgardians were good too. Clint and Natasha both look like they have a crisp cast too.
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Post by: Azreal13
I can't comment on improvements as I'm building as I paint, and I've only just done the starter, but I wholeheartedly agree that some of the detail is shallow. I suspect some is limitations of plastic and some seems to be sculptors learning the technology (apparently they're getting easier to build too.)
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Post by: warboss
 Manchu wrote:If you want to use Clint, Nutasha is a great synergy.
Her ability to earn scenario-independent VPs is pretty crazy IMO, especially considering she can earn 2/3 power needed just by using her basic attack.
Threat 3 is a much more competitive bracket than Threat 2, however.
Are you mispelling her name on purpose? It's the second time in a row and I don't know if I'm not in on some sort of Marvel meme/joke or overly aggressive autocorrect or just a simple repeated mistake.
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Post by: Alpharius
It's definitely on purpose - I think it is supposed to be funny too? 
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I think there are 2 versions of Black Widow, so he's referring to the new version of Natasha as Nutasha.
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Post by: Azreal13
Don't think so, she's being referred to as Agent Widow to distinguish commonly, and it doesn't make any sense with anything that's different about the new version.
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Post by: WUWU
I think the Asgardian wave of releases were all a slight step up from the core, with only Winter Solider who came out at that time being a real dud, with very shallow detail on his metal arm.
The Guardians wave of releases have all been fantastic sculps so far
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Post by: Manchu
Yes, exactly, Perhaps I should have written Newtasha? 
Next up: Numonger?
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Post by: warboss
Manchu wrote:Yes, exactly, Perhaps I should have written Newtasha?
Next up: Numonger?
Ah. I read it as Nut-asha. I figured you were joking that the pose was particularly suggestive and/or stimulating if it wasn't a typo.
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Post by: Azreal13
New cards. I'm such a try-hard I've shared them before I've read them. I'll be opening threads for events days before they start soon!
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Hmm, I've read the card now. Not as exciting as others, but we don't know what the faction bonus or teamwork cards will do for him yet. Plus another size 4 throw isn't to be sneezed at.
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Him being rather straightforward may be a boon for Black Order lineups.
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Post by: LunarSol
That's a lot of health on top of invulnerability for 4 threat. His big weakness is Thor throwing him into teammates.
Lots of exciting stuff on the way. Tried out the Ultron AI mode tonight and it has... gaps, but a good way to play around with characters while the world is shut down.
EDIT:  Just noticed there's a second file for the AI for some reason that answers most of my questions....
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Post by: AduroT
Had to look up the names of the Black Order from the movie because he looked like he would be the comic version of the big axe guy from it but I didn’t remember anyone saying the name Black Dwarf. Sure enough, he Is the big axe dude from the movie, but the movie had changed his name to Cull Obsidian. So there’s that bit of trivia for y’all.
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Post by: Azreal13
Ronan and Drax, only one side for each that I've seen, but enough to get an idea.
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I’m a little sad Drax didn’t get some rule/ability called Quick Reflexes or something to that effect.
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Post by: LunarSol
Drax is a little static for my liking. I really wish he had pounce or something. The movie 5 being 15 threat means I'll almost always play him though.
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Card art VERY relevant!
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Post by: Tagony
Same using the main 5 except ill trade out gamora for venom. Because you know venom..........
I wish star lords leadership ability was as strong as captain America's. It does have great flavor and should make for some good shenanigans.
Now if only mcp would make darkhawk. I know it will never happen but a guy can dream.
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Post by: Manchu
Who knows? At one point, we would have said the same about the Guardians!
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Post by: Grot 6
I put up my lot of Marvel Crisis Protocol up in the Swap shop. Its a wonderful game, but it's fallen too far down my painting Que to be got to this year.
Too many minis, never enough time. 
I dropped the price a little too, for the holiday season. 
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Post by: LunarSol
 Tagony wrote:Same using the main 5 except ill trade out gamora for venom. Because you know venom..........
I wish star lords leadership ability was as strong as captain America's. It does have great flavor and should make for some good shenanigans.
Now if only mcp would make darkhawk. I know it will never happen but a guy can dream.
I was hoping it would mean Guardians have a good set of tactics cards, but that's apparently not the case either. I need to get some playtime in with them once they're all released. Right now they don't seem to have a huge draw outside of just being the Guardians.
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Post by: drazz
Drax and Ronin back side of cards confirms to be the same as the front.
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Post by: AduroT
Did anyone mention Ebony Maw’s Counter Spell card yet? Spend three to cancel someone else’s super power. Their cost is still paid and the super power counts as used for the turn, but it has no effect.
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Post by: Manchu
Ouch!
Ebony Maw is going to really draw fire. That’s why you bring Black Dwarf.
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I remembered where I’d seen the card.
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Post by: LunarSol
I quite like how Black Order has enough unique affiliation tactics to make running the 4 without Thanos potentially worthwile.
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That counter spell on maw is crazy.i kinda want to play him just for the card alone and not his model. I hope they make Dr. Strange this well.
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Post by: LunarSol
I definitely helps define his 5 threat cost. Well designed counterspell. Very limited, but completely back breaking when played at the right time.
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Plus because you need to hold on to 2 power for Mind Over Matter, realistically you need 5 power on him to even bluff your opponent, which is no mean feat unless he just floats around and does nothing in his activation.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
So if i wanted to play this game, do i need all models cause all models can be used all together?
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Post by: LunarSol
 hotsauceman1 wrote:So if i wanted to play this game, do i need all models cause all models can be used all together?
You bring a roster of 10 models and then build you 4-5 man team from the models you bring. You can use anyone but the rewards for playing to an affiliation (more than half of your team, AKA generally 3) are significant enough that you generally want to stick to affiliated models and bring essentially one outside model at most. I think sticking to one or two affiliations completely doable. Definitely no need for everything.
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The main thing is that various boxes have team tactic cards (your roster includes 8 and of those you select five at the beginning of a game) and scenarios. So that may be a reason for completionists to get boxes they dont otherwise want. But unlike most games, I've managed to ignore the completioinist urge for this one, and have found just getting characters I want is fine for a variety of casual games.
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Post by: Alpharius
You only 'need' to do that if you 'want' to do that?
Though I guess what you're asking is "Do I need to do this in order to win/be really competitive?"
Maybe? Automatically Appended Next Post: Longstrider wrote:The main thing is that various boxes have team tactic cards (your roster includes 8 and of those you select five at the beginning of a game) and scenarios. So that may be a reason for completionists to get boxes they dont otherwise want.
I do believe there's an online resource that can help in regards to this...
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Post by: Manchu
You need at least ten models to have a roster, in order to play the game as intended. But the core box already comes with ten.
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Not necessarily competitive, more of "to get the best experiance" kinda thing
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I think the issue is, it’s actually possible to get everything with MCP (as opposed to something like 40k).
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It's worth noting that most of the Team Tactics cards require the character their packaged with to use. There's some good generic cards that have been released, but you only bring 5 to a game and 3 of the best are in the core set (Brace for Impact, Drop Off, Patch Up... Mission Objective is also quite good as a 4th) so I find myself mostly sticking to that and adding the character/affiliation specific cards in the last slots.
I think the objectives are probably the thing that's more problematic, as they're always packaged with new affiliation leaders and do add quite a bit of variety to the game, both by changing the flow of the game and by limiting the ability to get stuck on a single team by keeping the points cap dynamic. Competitively you're supposed to bring a limited set of them and steer the game towards preferable scenarios, but I'm personally a fan of full random. It's a thing that's pretty easy to get from outside sources though, including your opponent. Pretty easy to play around. Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:I think the issue is, it’s actually possible to get everything with MCP (as opposed to something like 40k).
For now. That's eventually going to be a lot less doable. I personally HAVE everything, but mostly because I was playing several games with everything before a new model release. As we've been getting new players I've been seeing more restraint and specialization. One guy that just wants to play Web Warriors once its out, a dedicated Asgardian, etc.
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Not a huge fan of these (and not alone judging by FB comments, although calling out the small version for not being to scale is flat out slowed) but not a huge fan of the character either, so this is probably on the skip list with the Guardians.
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Post by: Alpharius
Well, I suppose tiny Wasp could have been a bit...tinier?
Other than that, looks OK to me.
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I agree, I think it’s a pretty cool thing to do, packing them with smaller versions.
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Post by: Azreal13
There's a transform condition too, so they're not just alternative models but will have different rules and be able to change size mid game.
I've seen some potato shots of Antman and I think he looks better, but they're not tickling my buy reflex just now.
I'm not above buying a mini I'm not mad about if they're fun in the game though, so there's hope.
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TBH that’s how I feel about the entire line!
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Plus there's a resin printer very likely in my near future, so there's always the possibility of alt sculpts...
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Tiny version definitely isn’t tiny enough. I’d be super tempted to use an empty base for the tiny version myself.
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 Azreal13 wrote:Not a huge fan of these (and not alone judging by FB comments, although calling out the small version for not being to scale is flat out slowed) but not a huge fan of the character either, so this is probably on the skip list with the Guardians.
its funny how the wing size did scale with the model but the wing details didn't, infact they seem to be increased in size
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I folded and bought the core set and venom.....
I might buy all the heros just to play with friends...
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There's also a multiplayer version where two players take a team each and a third plays Ultron, but a mega ultimate end game boss villain version that can be played solely with the models in the starter, and a Hulk version as well that are both freely available to download. Worth it if you're going to provide all the kit.
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In other news, a non potato pic of Antman has emerged.
Prefer this to Wasp.
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I'm probably going to base the tiny ones with a few items on them like a penny, an ant mini, lego, etc and make the bases look like its just zoomed in on them. Should convey the size difference.
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Post by: LunarSol
Azreal13 wrote:There's also a multiplayer version where two players take a team each and a third plays Ultron, but a mega ultimate end game boss villain version that can be played solely with the models in the starter, and a Hulk version as well that are both freely available to download. Worth it if you're going to provide all the kit.
Plus Thanos is coming as the first retail version of the experience. I quite like the encounters they've released so far, though they don't exactly make as good of use of the variety of character abilities that you see from the normal scenarios. Definitely a fun time though and easy enough to play 1v1 if you don't have a third player.
AMG also released an AI flowsheet for Ultron that allows the encounter to be played co- op or single player. It works quite well, though I find the Ultron encounter doesn't reward attacking him enough to make it play significantly differently with different characters. Not really a problem under normal circumstances, but as my primary way to play with my toys right now it doesn't quite scratch the itch after multiple playthroughs. Automatically Appended Next Post: terry wrote: Azreal13 wrote:Not a huge fan of these (and not alone judging by FB comments, although calling out the small version for not being to scale is flat out slowed) but not a huge fan of the character either, so this is probably on the skip list with the Guardians.
its funny how the wing size did scale with the model but the wing details didn't, infact they seem to be increased in size
It looks like that model made a lot of sacrifices to be a two piece deal that fit somewhere on the sprue. The tiny version wings are definitely bad assuming that texture isn't painted on. If its sculpted, I think filling it in with green stuff will remove a lot of what makes that sculpt look so poor compared to the tiny Ant-Man. Definitely agree that a penny or something would do a good job of making them even tinier.
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hotsauceman1 wrote:I folded and bought the core set and venom.....
I might buy all the heros just to play with friends...
Yeah, after hearing about the GW price increase I decided my cash would go to this game instead. Also got Venom and the core - I'm looking forward to painting everything up.
I'm probably going to base the tiny ones with a few items on them like a penny, an ant mini, lego, etc and make the bases look like its just zoomed in on them. Should convey the size difference.
That's a smart idea. Maybe I could find a big Duplo block or something, make it look like a giant Lego brick...
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I kinda like the small heros.
Can someone tell me all the heros that have been announced?
I could have sworn i saw punisher, Iron fist, Daredevil and Luke Cage.
I would love to run a "Defenders" style army? Roster? whatever they are called.
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Post by: Azreal13
NYC Commercial Truck - 14/02/20 (so a little late then
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Post by: hotsauceman1
So umm, the starter set was nice.....until i built the models.......
got Captain Marvel was bad, So was Iron Man, i messed up some detail on his legs sooo Yay, and i thought ultron would be a cool model to save for last......
I want to kill myself.............Like serious, his THIGHS are 3 peices each, his THIGHS,
god was that awful, everything full of gaps and junk, gotta break out the matt varnish tommorow...
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So they went with the movie versions of Antman and Wasp? I'm a bit disappointed about that, I'm not a big fan of those helmets.
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Post by: Azreal13
hotsauceman1 wrote:So umm, the starter set was nice.....until i built the models.......
got Captain Marvel was bad, So was Iron Man, i messed up some detail on his legs sooo Yay, and i thought ultron would be a cool model to save for last......
I want to kill myself.............Like serious, his THIGHS are 3 peices each, his THIGHS,
god was that awful, everything full of gaps and junk, gotta break out the matt varnish tommorow...
The bit count is one the high side, I've called out Ultron in this thread for being particularly high. However, I can see that being a problem if all you're used to is PVC board game pieces like so many people starting the game seem to be.
But if you've built something as ubiquitous as a Marine Tactical Squad then they don't need skills you don't already have, all the pieces fit well and frequently the joins are placed where they're going to be hidden or look to be part of the model, so if they're really giving you trouble as a wargamer I'd suggest perhaps you need to slow down and take a little more care, they're not any more challenging than some of the slightly fiddler parts of GW kits.
Here's proof.
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hotsauceman1 wrote:I kinda like the small heros.
Can someone tell me all the heros that have been announced?
I could have sworn i saw punisher, Iron fist, Daredevil and Luke Cage.
I would love to run a "Defenders" style army? Roster? whatever they are called.
Correct on all of these. Also Kingpin, Bullseye, and Taskmaster. TM with Punisher, DD with Bullseye, Kingpin solo.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Awesome now i just need Jessica Jones!!!!
Im actually really excited, by friends said if i provide the heros, they will play with me!!
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Post by: Alpharius
With friends like that...
...who needs...money? 
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Post by: LunarSol
hotsauceman1 wrote:I kinda like the small heros.
Can someone tell me all the heros that have been announced?
I could have sworn i saw punisher, Iron fist, Daredevil and Luke Cage.
I would love to run a "Defenders" style army? Roster? whatever they are called.
Dr Strange is going to lead the Defenders (taken more from the comic incarnation than Netflix shows). He's supposed to come out in August and we know the team will contain Spiderman, Hawkeye, Hulk, Valkyrie. Ghost Rider is almost certainly also going to be in the list as well and releases alongside Strange.
Punisher/Taskmaster and Angela/Enchantress are currently expected in September and Kingpin/Bullseye/Daredevil are scheduled for a November release.
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From The Bearded Card Trader
Actual pre-order list they have.
“Marvel Crisis Protocol Players!
The hype train got put in overdrive mode after the recent pre order info dropped! We have got them all below and put them in the correct order based on estimated release dates.
Black Dwarf and Ebony Maw - 12/06/20
Drax and Ronan - 12/06/20
Thanos - 10/07/20
Cosmic Terrain - 10/07/20
Cosmic Game Mat - 10/07/20
Ghost-Spider & Spider-Man - Aug/20
Dr. Strange and Wong - 14/08/20
Ghost Rider - 14/08/20
Ant-Man and Wasp - 14/08/20
Punisher and Taskmaster - 11/09/20
Angela and Enchantress - 11/09/20
Roundabout Knockout Game Mat - Q3/2020
Kingpin - 13/11/20
Bullseye and Daredevil - 13/11/20
NYC Construction Site Terrain - 13/11/20
Green Goblin - Q1/2021
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Allow for the fact that North American and ROW is out of sync, I've got Hawkeye and Widow built and ready for painting while the US is still waiting for stock, so the dates may not apply everywhere (or, indeed, anywhere!)
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The communication to stores in NA is that Asmodee is just going to flood product in June and catch us up. In additional to Black Dwarf/Ebony Maw and Drax/Ronan, we're supposed to be getting all the backlog (Gamora/Nebula, Proxima/Corvus, Hawkeye/Widow2) in June.
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LunarSol wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:I kinda like the small heros.
Can someone tell me all the heros that have been announced?
I could have sworn i saw punisher, Iron fist, Daredevil and Luke Cage.
I would love to run a "Defenders" style army? Roster? whatever they are called.
Dr Strange is going to lead the Defenders (taken more from the comic incarnation than Netflix shows). He's supposed to come out in August and we know the team will contain Spiderman, Hawkeye, Hulk, Valkyrie. Ghost Rider is almost certainly also going to be in the list as well and releases alongside Strange.
Punisher/Taskmaster and Angela/Enchantress are currently expected in September and Kingpin/Bullseye/Daredevil are scheduled for a November release.
Oh well, I can still run a fake defenders team. Haha.
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There's a possible Marvel Knights team with this list. A lot of street-level characters here, and I love it.
hotsauceman1 wrote: LunarSol wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:I kinda like the small heros.
Can someone tell me all the heros that have been announced?
I could have sworn i saw punisher, Iron fist, Daredevil and Luke Cage.
I would love to run a "Defenders" style army? Roster? whatever they are called.
Dr Strange is going to lead the Defenders (taken more from the comic incarnation than Netflix shows). He's supposed to come out in August and we know the team will contain Spiderman, Hawkeye, Hulk, Valkyrie. Ghost Rider is almost certainly also going to be in the list as well and releases alongside Strange.
Punisher/Taskmaster and Angela/Enchantress are currently expected in September and Kingpin/Bullseye/Daredevil are scheduled for a November release.
Oh well, I can still run a fake defenders team. Haha.
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 drazz wrote:There's a possible Marvel Knights team with this list. A lot of street-level characters here, and I love it.
hotsauceman1 wrote: LunarSol wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:I kinda like the small heros.
Can someone tell me all the heros that have been announced?
I could have sworn i saw punisher, Iron fist, Daredevil and Luke Cage.
I would love to run a "Defenders" style army? Roster? whatever they are called.
Dr Strange is going to lead the Defenders (taken more from the comic incarnation than Netflix shows). He's supposed to come out in August and we know the team will contain Spiderman, Hawkeye, Hulk, Valkyrie. Ghost Rider is almost certainly also going to be in the list as well and releases alongside Strange.
Punisher/Taskmaster and Angela/Enchantress are currently expected in September and Kingpin/Bullseye/Daredevil are scheduled for a November release.
Oh well, I can still run a fake defenders team. Haha.
Yeah, they have a lot of options to work with. I was initially very put off by the open construction, but they've done a great job with the affiliation rules to make it so you can take a faction and adjust it with a couple models to make it still work and still tie together thematically, but have characters who aren't strictly part of the team.
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IDK if this is Ok, if not a mod can tell me to knick it off. BUT
I got 2 friends into it, like actually into it, they bought heros and everything. Got me excited. Unlike me they are not buying every hero, but the squads they like.
My friend does desperately want Squirrel girl though.
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Post by: ScarletRose
I've just about got all of my MCP stuff assembled. For me the hardest was the 2 captains - Capt. Marvel had a big gap across her shoulders, and on Capt. America I just can't get the shoulderpads fitted right.
Also I'm really glad I have some Vallejo plastic putty - it's a thick liquid that fills small gaps really well. I smoothed out all the seams on Venom and he looks perfect. I plan to paint him up using a black glaze over a gray base so I couldn't have any seams or joints that the glaze might pool in.
Overall the minis are good. The amount and quality of terrain in the core box is amazing though. So many companies would have cheaped out with cardstock instead of hard plastic.
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I did find captain marvel bad, her right shoulder detail got messed up on mine. I was really hoping to make he look good like sorastros with NMM.
So im going to paint that up then put some battle damage with a green lazer blast on it to cover it.
I have found the other stuff less infuriation, Winter Soldier and Vision went together fine,and did Black pannther and Killmonger.
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Great work! I really like how you did Thor and Hulk's faces!
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hotsauceman1 wrote:IDK if this is Ok, if not a mod can tell me to knick it off. BUT
My friend does desperately want Squirrel girl though.
Yeah, I'm really hoping they get around to her soon. Definitely the hero I'm most keen on, I think. But I'm also just buying models I want, and there are enough that I can have some flexibility in building lists even with just the three teams so far of Wakandans, Guardians, and Asgardians. Web Warriors will blow things open for me though - there's SO many Spider-people and I can see myself picking up all the heroes and villains. Another friend is really waiting for X-men, so I hope they happen too, for his sake.
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Ah why did Green Goblin get delayed? He’s my boy.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Longstrider wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:IDK if this is Ok, if not a mod can tell me to knick it off. BUT
My friend does desperately want Squirrel girl though.
Yeah, I'm really hoping they get around to her soon. Definitely the hero I'm most keen on, I think. But I'm also just buying models I want, and there are enough that I can have some flexibility in building lists even with just the three teams so far of Wakandans, Guardians, and Asgardians. Web Warriors will blow things open for me though - there's SO many Spider-people and I can see myself picking up all the heroes and villains. Another friend is really waiting for X-men, so I hope they happen too, for his sake.
I told my friend when they get around to new Xmen stuff is when we will see new Xmen movies. Partially to ride the hype.
I mean there are so many popular Xmen that they could be a years to 2 years worth of releases.
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As you would expect from someone with Thanos’ bone fides, the Mad Titan’s rules make him a powerhouse on the tabletop. With sturdy defenses and plenty of Stamina, Thanos can confidently hold a battle line against other characters. His attacks also pack plenty of punch. His Cosmic Blast attack is a Range 3 Energy attack that Thanos can pump up to Strength 8, with the added bonus of the special rule Titan’s Will that can hurl an opponent back and leave them Slowed.
Thanos also has a full suite of powers to help him achieve his insane agenda. As the ruler of the Endless Resurgence, he has a leadership ability that affects all the members of the Black Order, granting them victory as they tally up their defeated foes, while the Death’s Decree power makes his minions fight with greater ferocity for the cost of 2 Power.
Of course, Thanos desires nothing more than to possess the Infinity Gems and wield their incalculable power. His innate superpower Being of Immeasurable Power represents not only his great personal strength but also his resolve and ability to control the gems. Being of Immeasurable Power reduces the damage Thanos would suffer from enemy effects by 1, as well as allowing the Mad Titan to take two Infinity Gems at once and use their active and reactive powers without paying the cost.
Perhaps even more terrifying is what happens when Thanos becomes injured. In his Injured state, the Mad Titan becomes even more horrifying to confront, gaining extra Stamina and modifying his Death’s Agenda Leadership ability to grant members of the Black Order affiliation the ability to reroll dice of their attacks—at a cost.
For those brave enough to face the Mad Titan’s full fury, keep an eye out for Thanos’ Ultimate Encounter, Infinity Gauntlet, coming out later this year. In it, Thanos, the Chosen of Death will put their strength and skill to the ultimate test.
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmissions/panel-to-play-thanos
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That is a sweet looking Thanos.
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There's also an optional hand without the Infinity Gauntlet and a second head choice. Personally, I think I'm going with the alt head and the gauntlet.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
So it looks like US distribution is back up and running. Team Covenant just processed my subscription for all the Black Order and Gamora/Nebula, and they don't do that, traditionally before they are 100% sure of their stock.
The next few months are going to be pricey for Americans with the weird backlog that accumulated.
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Post by: Tagony
So this is some stuff I've 3d printed for map. The building is corvus gaming terrain, and the trees are PRI table scenery.com. The Dr who police box I found for free on thingy verse, because why not lol? I just wanted more terrain on my table than what I could get from the map line.
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Post by: Tagony
Let's try that again.
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Post by: LunarSol
Very cool. I find really tall buildings need to be treated carefully, but work well once you get used to some of the peculiarities of the system.
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Yah, that's why I wanted some tall buildings. Makes the flyers and web crawlers more dynamic.
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I find the most important element to add to the base set is Size 3-4 terrain. Removes a lot of the parking lot feel of the core set terrain.
My table is something like:
Size 5: 1
Size 4: 1
Size 3: 3-4
Size 2: 5-8
Size 1: 2-4
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
LunarSol wrote:Very cool. I find really tall buildings need to be treated carefully, but work well once you get used to some of the peculiarities of the system.
Pure horizontal measurement is still one of the rare oddities I have seen people play. Measuring base-to-base is clearly what feels right, in game.
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Post by: AduroT
Muse on Minis has some sweet color printed mdf buildings. I recommend checking those out.
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Post by: LunarSol
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: LunarSol wrote:Very cool. I find really tall buildings need to be treated carefully, but work well once you get used to some of the peculiarities of the system.
Pure horizontal measurement is still one of the rare oddities I have seen people play. Measuring base-to-base is clearly what feels right, in game.
Pure horizontal is the correct rules though and base-to-base is also weird given it ignores the height of models.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Yes, but pure horizontal has models contesting objectives on the ground from the roof of a three story building. In both cases, its the one under-baked part of the rules.
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Post by: LunarSol
In a pure simulation aspect I suppose, but it does allow for terrain to be interesting and dynamic without negatively affecting gameplay. Given the range one contest/control range, needing to measure vertically would require much stricter rules of where objectives can go in regards to terrain and could be pretty easily abused when objectives are dropped. I kind of like that the game functions with whatever terrain rather than feeling like I need to adapt my terrain to work with the rules.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Having seen the miniatures on boards like Sorastros excellent terrain i cant help but feel like the boards i see the game played on are.....boring.
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Post by: LunarSol
I'm excited to see people break out of city planning and do things like Savage Lands, Knowhere, Jotunheim, etc.
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Post by: Azreal13
Ta dah.
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There's a bunch of spoilers scattered across the net. I'm not sure if Thanos quite lives up to that cost, but he's pretty cool. I think the "Thanos Experience" is going to really thrive in the Ultimate Encoutner though. I haven't seen everything, but it looks like there's a "gathers the gems" phase and a final showdown where he has all 6.
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Cackles in Goblin.
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Post by: Alpharius
A classic villain - before his return, overuse and...well.
Still, glad to see him here, and hope to see all the other classic Spidey villains eventually!
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IIRC, GG is the leader of a "Spider Villains" faction.
So one might say it is.. inevitable.
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I'm still holding out hope for an OG Sinister Six lineup...
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That’s a really cool Goblin sculpt actually.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Pretty cool, the glider looks a bit, off, but still cool
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I really like the sculpt of the goblin. It really catches the vibe of the character. I will have to pick him up.
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If I were to come back and criticize the Goblin model, it’s that the weight is off slightly. He’s leaning to one side, but the glider is remaining level. It should be tilted the direction of his lean.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
So, with Spidergwen and Miles Morales coming out, and Kingpin and green goblin. Do you think we will see other SPidervillains soon?
Carnage is in the Artwork so he has to be in the pipeline. Maybe he is paired with another symbiote? Riot could be one, in the comics he was beefy but not really as big as Venom
Maybe Carnage with Black suit Spidey?
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If they do another Symbiote I’d put my money on Scream. She’s had her own comic title lately. Black Suit Spidey, who’s Also had his own separate title lately is probably more likely though.
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Post by: Grot 6
Thanos and his crew(Corvus Glaive, Proxima midnight, Black Dwarf Ebony man, Thanos is huge, BTW...
,Drax and Ronin and the other Guardians,
Hawkeye and Agent Black Widow,
Dr Doom,
Cosmic terrain,
I've seen a Gwenpool/ Miles Morales set, and an additional Spiderman sculpt on a mailbox, (Might have been the same one, I forgot)
There is a metric Gak ton of 3D printed scenery for New York, and a couple of blocks of skid row, and The Mystical House for Dr Strange. Strange and Wong are out, I saw him last online for preorder last week...
The Ghost rider and Carnage are later this year, IIRC, I haven't got back to my local shop to see the next batch in a week or so.
There were a couple of others, but I haven't seen them out yet. Punisher, Some Doc Ok variation, and Something else, but I can't remember just yet. I'll add it later on...
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Grot 6 wrote:
The Ghost rider and Carnage are later this year, IIRC, I haven't got back to my local shop to see the next batch in a week or so.
There were a couple of others, but I haven't seen them out yet. Punisher, Some Doc Ok variation, and Something else, but I can't remember just yet. I'll add it later on...
Please tell me it's the Into the Spiderverse Doc Ock and not just an alternate pose or something.
I have to say I'm just generally really stoked for all the Spiderman stuff, which is strange since my only nostalgia was the old 90s cartoon show.
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Post by: nagash42
Come on shocker and hobgoblin.
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Post by: AduroT
 ScarletRose wrote: Grot 6 wrote:
The Ghost rider and Carnage are later this year, IIRC, I haven't got back to my local shop to see the next batch in a week or so.
There were a couple of others, but I haven't seen them out yet. Punisher, Some Doc Ok variation, and Something else, but I can't remember just yet. I'll add it later on...
Please tell me it's the Into the Spiderverse Doc Ock and not just an alternate pose or something.
I have to say I'm just generally really stoked for all the Spiderman stuff, which is strange since my only nostalgia was the old 90s cartoon show.
Superior Spider-Man would be a great add. As I contemplate my potential future team of web slingers, I’m considering converting a Super Spider-Man and just using Doc Ock’s rules.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
ScarletRose wrote: Grot 6 wrote:
The Ghost rider and Carnage are later this year, IIRC, I haven't got back to my local shop to see the next batch in a week or so.
There were a couple of others, but I haven't seen them out yet. Punisher, Some Doc Ok variation, and Something else, but I can't remember just yet. I'll add it later on...
Please tell me it's the Into the Spiderverse Doc Ock and not just an alternate pose or something.
I have to say I'm just generally really stoked for all the Spiderman stuff, which is strange since my only nostalgia was the old 90s cartoon show.
If a new doc Ock, the one from Spiderman 2 pls. He always looked like the best incarnation.
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AduroT wrote:If they do another Symbiote I’d put my money on Scream.
I would LOVE to have a Scream figure! ScarletRose wrote:I have to say I'm just generally really stoked for all the Spiderman stuff, which is strange since my only nostalgia was the old 90s cartoon show.
Well, it WAS a pretty great show! Maybe aside from X-Men, the Spidey end of the Marvell universe is probably the most compelling, charcter-wise.
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Yeah he has a pretty memorable rogues gallery both powers wise and visuallly. N0oot to mention, compared to other characters, I can name most of his characters off the top of my head.
Not to mention he also steals villains from others. Daredevil has to share custody with Spiderman for Kingpin.
Im honestly waiting for Vulture. Hopefully they take some design cues from the movie/games cause he kinda looks dumb lol otherwise haha
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Venom a (mild) shock (but I did expect it.)
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Yeah, he’s been largely on the up and up lately I believe. I wonder if this’ll be the current incarnation of Gwen where she’s also her universe’s Venom or if it’ll be when she had her own powers. I assume old version, since that’s what was in the movie and shows.
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Miles is the leader? Weird
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I also think the leader should be Peter but it is probably miles so they don't have to make a new Peter Parker spidey card with his leadership buff. I would have been ok with Spider-Man noir being on the list too.
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I imagine well get more spiders as time goes on.
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We NEED Spider-Man 2099 in his proper costume too!
(OK, *I* need that, but...)
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He had a game not to long ago, so I can see him coming out.
What we need is Morbius and Blade
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Post by: Manchu
YES to all three!
Plus DOOM 2099!
Ok, regular Doom first of course.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Manchu wrote:YES to all three!
Plus DOOM 2099!
Ok, regular Doom first of course.
Is The Thing as big as the Hulk? He might get a Solo box
So i can Imagine Getting Sue and Johny in a box, then Mr Fantastic and Doom in another?
IDK why but comiing up with box idea is fun lol
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Hulk has generally gotten bigger over the years and is bigger than Thing anymore.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Manchu wrote:YES to all three!
Plus DOOM 2099!
Ok, regular Doom first of course.
Is The Thing as big as the Hulk? He might get a Solo box
So i can Imagine Getting Sue and Johny in a box, then Mr Fantastic and Doom in another?
IDK why but comiing up with box idea is fun lol
Black Dwarf/Cull Obsidian is bigger than the Hulk and is still part of a duo, so that isn't a compulsory thing. I can see him being packaged with either Johnny or Sue and then Reed being packaged with the other and being sculpted to be a bit stretched out and so a larger model.
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AduroT wrote:Yeah, he’s been largely on the up and up lately I believe. I wonder if this’ll be the current incarnation of Gwen where she’s also her universe’s Venom or if it’ll be when she had her own powers. I assume old version, since that’s what was in the movie and shows.
Sculpt is the original white/pink hoodie outfit. Definitely not the symbiote version. Automatically Appended Next Post:
That's sort of the niche Miles has carved for himself. Largely because of the movie, but also because MIles's inherent "from an alternative universe" bit (along with Gwen) makes their stories more centered on multiverse teamups while Peter ends up with more of the classic solo street hero stuff.
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LunarSol wrote: AduroT wrote:Yeah, he’s been largely on the up and up lately I believe. I wonder if this’ll be the current incarnation of Gwen where she’s also her universe’s Venom or if it’ll be when she had her own powers. I assume old version, since that’s what was in the movie and shows.
Sculpt is the original white/pink hoodie outfit. Definitely not the symbiote version.
Yeah, that’s what it normally looks like still. It only turns black when she gets super pissed or loses control.
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AduroT wrote: LunarSol wrote: AduroT wrote:Yeah, he’s been largely on the up and up lately I believe. I wonder if this’ll be the current incarnation of Gwen where she’s also her universe’s Venom or if it’ll be when she had her own powers. I assume old version, since that’s what was in the movie and shows.
Sculpt is the original white/pink hoodie outfit. Definitely not the symbiote version.
Yeah, that’s what it normally looks like still. It only turns black when she gets super pissed or loses control.
If it's Gwenom in this box I'll buy you a copy of the expansion myself.
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Azreal13 wrote: AduroT wrote: LunarSol wrote: AduroT wrote:Yeah, he’s been largely on the up and up lately I believe. I wonder if this’ll be the current incarnation of Gwen where she’s also her universe’s Venom or if it’ll be when she had her own powers. I assume old version, since that’s what was in the movie and shows.
Sculpt is the original white/pink hoodie outfit. Definitely not the symbiote version.
Yeah, that’s what it normally looks like still. It only turns black when she gets super pissed or loses control.
If it's Gwenom in this box I'll buy you a copy of the expansion myself.
I already said I assumed it wasn’t!
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Post by: CorvusGamesTerrain
Nice work on the printed Ale House, it's a lovely print.
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Gwen preview..
Ghost-Spider has a fast and aggressive approach to battle. Her movement speed is Long, letting her dash across the battlefield in a hurry. When she reaches her target, she has a whole list of options for beating them senseless.
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Gwen Stacy has three attacks, all of which dish out Physical damage. She can use Impact Webbing to shoot out a compacted ball of webbing that strikes like a riot-control shotgun. This Range 4 attack is Strength 4, and if her target is Size 2 or smaller, she can push them Short Range away with the force of the impact.
Spider Technique is perhaps the most exciting attack in her arsenal, however. This Range 2 Physical attack doesn’t cost her any power to use, and why would it? It’s only Strength 4…
… but there’s more. If Ghost-Spider already hit her target during the activation this turn, she adds three bonus dice to the attack, making it a Strength 7 attack that costs no power to use. Spider Technique has even more going on, though. If Ghost-Spider advanced or was placed during her activation before the attack, once Spider Technique is resolved, she can make a free Long advance.
Of course, Ghost-Spider is more complex than just dishing out spider-themed beatdowns. Her Webline superpower lets her target an enemy within Range 4 with a lasso of webbing, pushing them Short distance toward her. She can use a similar power, Life Saver, to protect her allies. This reactive superpower lets her target an allied character within the same range who is targeted by an enemy attack. She then yanks her ally Short Distance toward her, potentially pulling them out of range or line of sight of the attack!
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Ok, just to bring it back to a slightly earlier discussion, if they’re calling her Ghost-Spider, then she’s also Gwenom, as she didn’t pick up the Ghost-Spider name till some time after she got her version of the Symbiote.
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AduroT wrote:Ok, just to bring it back to a slightly earlier discussion, if they’re calling her Ghost-Spider, then she’s also Gwenom, as she didn’t pick up the Ghost-Spider name till some time after she got her version of the Symbiote.
It's also just her brand name mandated by Marvel now. I'd not read into it too much.
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Gwen sounds exactly like the tilt inducing bag of trixy goodness that are common to factions I play in other games shes totally on the things to get list
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Miles preview has dropped also..
Wearing the mantle of Spider-Man is no small feat. Fortunately, Miles Morales has the rules to back up his identity.
Morales has a decent set of Stamina, Movement, and Defenses. But this little spider has a few tricks up his sleeve.
First up are his attacks. His standard physical attack, Webline Kick, is a useful way to soften up a target and send them flying away, but the Venom Blast attack is extraordinary. Spider-Man produces a jolt of bioelectric energy that he unleashes toward his foe. A Range 2 Energy attack, Venom Blast costs Morales 3 Power to use. You’ll be happy to spend it, though, to dish out a Strength 7 energy attack that also forces the target to drop any objective tokens they might be carrying.
This Spider-Man’s suite of superpowers also gives him some tactical versatility. Web Swing and Wall Crawler let him be incredibly mobile on the battlefield, clambering up the sides of buildings and swinging himself into position. Web Swing is a great way to set up a Webline Kick, too, since it grants two additional dice on the attack roll.
One of the unique powers Miles Morales gained from his spider bite was the ability to vanish from sight. This defensive ability allows him to sneak unnoticed by his enemies to rescue endangered civilians or wreak havoc on their evil plans. In-game, this is represented by Spider-Man having the Stealth ability, forcing your opponent to get close if they want to target Spider-Man with an attack.
The last of Morales’ superpowers we want to showcase is Great Responsibility. It is a central belief of those who call themselves Spider-Man: great power must be matched with great responsibility. This Leadership ability affects the new Web Warriors affiliation and allows them to reroll one defense die. Additionally, if a Web Warrior is holding or contesting an objective token, they can reroll and modify failure results. The Web Warriors cannot allow themselves to fail when the fate of others is on the line.
Or on the web line.
Sorry. That was terrible. Regardless, that’s all for our first look at Miles Morales, the Spider-Man of another world. Be sure to check back for our next installment, where we shine a spotlight on another character for Marvel: Crisis Protocol.
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Miles being the leader can make some Thematic Sense. Peter was never much of a leader, being wholly incapable of even living a decent life in some cases. But he was something to Aspire too, Not this Paragon of virtue like Captain america, but this guy who is just.....Trying.
And i see Miles being the leader because he is aspiring to be like spiderman, and trying to convince others to aswell.
Just an IDea.
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hotsauceman1 wrote:Miles being the leader can make some Thematic Sense. Peter was never much of a leader, being wholly incapable of even living a decent life in some cases. But he was something to Aspire too, Not this Paragon of virtue like Captain america, but this guy who is just.....Trying.
And i see Miles being the leader because he is aspiring to be like spiderman, and trying to convince others to aswell.
Just an IDea.
Eh...
I don't see it as so much that. There's basically two generations of spider-heroes. There's Peter (and his clones...), and then there's everyone else (or, at least, everyone else who isn't another version of Peter Parker). While there have been multiple Spider-Women who were part of Peter's generation, they haven't really had much in common with Spider-Man aside from the name.
Of the rising generation, Miles is the focus. Peter's his mentor. But Miles is the focus of the new generation. And since the Venom Symbiote is part of the Web Warriors group, and the symbiote has some rather... conflicted... feelings about Peter Parker, well...
Yeah. I don't think it's going to be getting instructions from Peter Parker any time soon.
Now Silk (who apparently isn't showing up yet) is technically part of Peter's generation age-wise. But she's still a new hero, like those in the rising generation.
Would love to see the Parker family from the post-Renew Your Vows series added to the line-up.
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Squee.
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And, with that announcement, my wallet performed its swan song.
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....meh.
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I’m sorry, maybe I’m seeing something other than others. The circle with an X in it reads as X-men to me  . Maybe we will have mutants soon.
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Yes, it absolutely means that, that is exactly what it means. What makes you think we're not seeing it?
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Azreal13 wrote:Yes, it absolutely means that, that is exactly what it means. What makes you think we're not seeing it?
Sorry, everyone was talking Spider-Man stuff before that was posted. Sorry.
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Ah, right, yeah, things tend to move pretty fast but sporadically when it comes to MCP news. We know what's coming into the next year, so we essentially get either spoilers for stuff that's expected, like the Spider stuff (which technically is delayed launch stuff) or teasers for what's next (like X.)
Doesn't seem much rhyme or reason as to when and how it appears though, so employ your Spidey sense.
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Post by: Alpharius
The X-Men finally making an appearance?!?
Nice!
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Well, diving into the Xmen means that, even with 2 model boxe sets, they have enough to go till.............2039? 2050?
Quite a bit.
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Post by: Turnip Jedi
Fingers crossed for a themed starter box
And im sure that sharp bladed thing sneaking into shot isnt aboot anything aah
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Post by: Theophony
Last I heard, the New Mutants (X-men Jrs) movie got rescheduled for August of this year by Disney. Maybe they changed the date to tie in with the release of the movie and we will have the first Disney Mutant release.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
So how will they handle the Xmen Affliation? will they just include the Initial run and update it whenever they add a new?
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Well that's what they've done so far, no reason to expect it to change. Just the printed cards will become obsolete and the website will carry the revisions.
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Post by: rybackstun
I never understood why they did affiliation cards and not just print the affiliations on the characters themselves.
Excited for X-Men!
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Post by: Azreal13
It's because it would need a degree of forward planning and create a degree of expectation that just isn't manageable.
If you introduce a new faction like Web Warriors, that means both Venom and Spiderman would need replacement cards, or they would have been given a faction that didn't exist when they were released and had no function in game.
Or you just produce one card when the faction goes live, and maintain one (non rules oriented) PDF image as new members become available.
They've stated they're not going to edit existing cards, albeit that's boneheaded and they've learned nothing from X Wing, so this is the easiest way to manage the factions.
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Post by: angel of death 007
hotsauceman1 wrote:So how will they handle the Xmen Affliation? will they just include the Initial run and update it whenever they add a new?
From the way it looks Xmen and Brotherhood of Evil Mutants have been teased as potentially being a boxed set release called Crisis Protocol Evolution with more news being teased or possibly shown at end of the month.
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Azreal13 wrote:It's because it would need a degree of forward planning and create a degree of expectation that just isn't manageable.
If you introduce a new faction like Web Warriors, that means both Venom and Spiderman would need replacement cards, or they would have been given a faction that didn't exist when they were released and had no function in game.
Or you just produce one card when the faction goes live, and maintain one (non rules oriented) PDF image as new members become available.
They've stated they're not going to edit existing cards, albeit that's boneheaded and they've learned nothing from X Wing, so this is the easiest way to manage the factions.
Not to mention, Xmen card would get unweidly fast honestly
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Post by: Turnip Jedi
would be rather fluffy if Prof X had a pre-game ability to make anyone an X-man
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Post by: hotsauceman1
 Turnip Jedi wrote:would be rather fluffy if Prof X had a pre-game ability to make anyone an X-man
Lol, yeah, Xmen are like the Avengers, it seems like everyone was at some point an Xman.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
hotsauceman1 wrote: Turnip Jedi wrote:would be rather fluffy if Prof X had a pre-game ability to make anyone an X-man
Lol, yeah, Xmen are like the Avengers, it seems like everyone was at some point an Xman.
The major thing is figuring out Wolverine. The man who has basically been on every team in existence.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Rogue Agent like Winter Soldier.
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Post by: LunarSol
This, but you also have to put him on the X-Men affiliation roster so he can make use of their team tactics cards.
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When it is time to go on the offense, Green Goblin has a pumpkin bomb for every occasion. These orange orbs pack a variety of chemicals tailored for all manner of foes. On the tabletop, the Pumpkin Bombs attack is equally versatile, allowing Green Goblin to choose between Physical or Energy damage before making the attack. Even better, the Bag of Tricks special rule allows Green Goblin to select between the Bleed, Poison, and Incinerate special conditions if the attack produces any wilds.
Of course, pumpkin bombs aren’t the only weapon in Norman Osborn’s arsenal. He zips around the city on top of his goblin glider, flying over obstacles between him and his hated rival.
Osborn isn’t greedy, though. Well, yes, he is, but not when it comes to causing pain for Peter Parker!
By misappropriating the resources of Oscorp, the Green Goblin has access to a host of different unusual prototypes, which he happily shares with anyone else who bears a grudge against Spider-Man. Oscorp Weaponry is a unique Leadership ability that affects anyone with the Spider-Foes affiliation. Once per turn, one of Spider-Man’s nemeses can spend 1 Power while modifying enemy defense dice to reroll 1 opposing defense die.
Nothing illustrates just how much Spider-Man has gotten under Osborn’s green skin better than the last rule we’re talking about today. Arch Nemesis (Peter Parker) is an innate superpower and double-edged sword representing just how much Green Goblin hates the wallcrawler. On the one hand, it allows Green Goblin to reroll failed results and any number of attack dice when he attacks Parker, but if there is an enemy Peter Parker on the table within Range 3, Green Goblin’s first action must be an attack targeting him, if possible.
It’s worth noting that this rule references Peter Parker, the secret identity, and not Spider-Man. So even if Parker decides to show up to a crisis as the Iron-Spider or Bombastic Bag-Man, Green Goblin can sniff his adversary out. On the other hand, anyone else who goes into battle as Spider-Man won’t matter to Osborn.
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Post by: Alpharius
I like it...
...but I need:
Razor Bats!
Electo-Blast Gloves (the infamous "Sparkler Spray"!):
Ghost Bombs!
Goblin Gas!
There is, of course, even more than that - and even sillier, if you can believe it!
But, I *need* these 4 more, at least!
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Post by: Eumerin
So with that last bit, I suppose the question is whether the rule would apply if Ben Reilly or Kane make an appearance.
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Post by: LunarSol
Arch nemesis is weird, but sounds fun.
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Post by: Azreal13
Miles' card is out in the wild.
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Front didn't load for some reason, but no different rules.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
It's kinda lame how very few actually change abilities from full to KO
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Post by: LunarSol
I'd like to see more of it, but it does keep the game from getting overwhelming when it only changes a few key characters.
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Post by: Azreal13
What you have to understand is the opportunity to make changes is secondary to the mechanism of preventing your characters being one-shotted by a lucky roll/massive overkill/a mistake.
That it exists in the design space at all is cool and allows for some really thematic things to happen, but it isn't the main reason for cards flipping and keeping it relatively unusual keeps it special.
My only criticism would be that when comparatively minor changes happen, they should be printed in a different colour or something so they're not overlooked in the middle of a game when you're already accustomed to doing things a certain way.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Oh yeah i do get that.
I just feels that being dazed creates opprotunities that i sadly dont see that much and wish i did.
Caps ability is a good example.
Or maybe spiderman gets ehanced spider sense because he is hyper aware.
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See, you say you get what I've said, then apparently immediately prove that you didn't...
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Azreal13 wrote:See, you say you get what I've said, then apparently immediately prove that you didn't...
No i do, i get why, i just see it as a missed opprotunity for the game to evolve and change as it is played.
I get why not all do, its cumbersome.
But out of roughly the 22 I own, i dont see changes at all except for Captain America. If it was just about the not allowing oneshots, it would be different ability
But have two sides of a card shows that they think about it.
All im saying its a chance they should take.
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Post by: LunarSol
The really dangerous stuff is when things DO change and its super not obvious. If you have Black Panther or Loki and think they're the same... they're not. That's super unfortunate.
Also, Iron Man has a significant difference in the core set. I'd be curious to see a list of all of them, but off the top of my head MODOK is another and Thanos actually changes his leadership ability.
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Plus I think there's a bunch that have different HP levels on each side..
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Gwen has emerged from the plug hole.
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Post by: LunarSol
I LOVE Life Saver. Great ability.
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Especially as while it refunds their action on their own activation, it doesn't appear to refund any power spent, which could be absolutely clutch.
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Post by: LunarSol
Azreal13 wrote:Especially as while it refunds their action on their own activation, it doesn't appear to refund any power spent, which could be absolutely clutch.
I believe there's something about the timing that refunds the power or more specifically, the timing window for this occurs when the target is selected but before power is spent. I believe that's how Loki's similar ability works.
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LunarSol wrote: Azreal13 wrote:Especially as while it refunds their action on their own activation, it doesn't appear to refund any power spent, which could be absolutely clutch.
I believe there's something about the timing that refunds the power or more specifically, the timing window for this occurs when the target is selected but before power is spent. I believe that's how Loki's similar ability works.
In that case, I would merely call it a good ability rather than a great one.
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AduroT wrote: LunarSol wrote: Azreal13 wrote:Especially as while it refunds their action on their own activation, it doesn't appear to refund any power spent, which could be absolutely clutch.
I believe there's something about the timing that refunds the power or more specifically, the timing window for this occurs when the target is selected but before power is spent. I believe that's how Loki's similar ability works.
In that case, I would merely call it a good ability rather than a great one.
Yeah, so if you go to the Appendix A: Timing in the rulebook that has the grossly detailed timing, you find step 2. Declare an enemy character the target of the attack and step 2d. Resolve effects that happen when a character is targeted. Step 3 is then Pay Power.
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Nevertheless I can still see it being one of those abilities that you seldom use, then one day it wins you the game. Depending on board state, it may often be advantageous to do just for the repositioning, irrespective of if it negates an attack or not.
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Gobbo on display
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Massive differences on the two sides this one, so HSM can be happy....
@Alph If it helps, you can pretend that if you select Energy damage with his basic attack he's using sparkle fingers!
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Rumors that the Xmen might be a totally different game that is compatible and can be platyed against MCP Ala Warmahordes.
Which may mean that factions will work totally differently to account for how transient the xmen are.
As to the Goblin.
I LOVE how his card changes to represent him going a bit cockoo for cocoa puffs.
Now i just want to see the Affiliation Card. So far the only villains of spiderman that have been release/announced are Venom, GG and Doc Oc. Kingpin might be on that but we will see.
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hotsauceman1 wrote:Rumors that the Xmen might be a totally different game that is compatible and can be platyed against MCP Ala Warmahordes.
Which may mean that factions will work totally differently to account for how transient the xmen are.
Rumours where?
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I heard it on reddit.
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Seems legit.
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Azreal13 wrote:
@Alph If it helps, you can pretend that if you select Energy damage with his basic attack he's using sparkle fingers!
Good idea - I'm totally doing this!
Azreal13 wrote:Seems legit.
Ha!
Looks like some one else might be going a little Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!
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Hmm, Mysterio listed on the Faction card, and therefore confirmed as a model.
I wonder who'll be pleased with this?!
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Post by: drazz
Well, me for one.
I'm not a huge Carnage guy myself, that that list, and the team affiliation ability, are quickly making me consider Spider-Foes as a lead faction.
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Post by: Eumerin
I see that both Venom and Carnage are part of that same faction. I hope there's something in there that keeps the two from working together while using the faction rules.
Venom hates Carnage so much that Eddie Brock actually worked alongside Spider-Man to stop Carnage. And Carnage has no love at all for Venom.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Eumerin wrote:I see that both Venom and Carnage are part of that same faction. I hope there's something in there that keeps the two from working together while using the faction rules.
Venom hates Carnage so much that Eddie Brock actually worked alongside Spider-Man to stop Carnage. And Carnage has no love at all for Venom.
Which is funny because there is actually a card that shows them working against Spiderman.
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Post by: Azreal13
Venom is also part of the Web Warriors faction, so they've covered his/its conflicted motivation, and the card, while also being entitled "Uneasy Alliance" shows Spidey and Venom working against Carnage, not the other way around, and specifies they're the only possible targets of the card.
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You are right, Trip Up does show however.
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So we're firmly in the Venom works both sides, and there are instances where he's worked with Carnage against Spidey, even if it was just the 90s TV show. Until Brock's conscience and Cletus' psychosis take over at least.
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Azreal13 wrote:So we're firmly in the Venom works both sides, and there are instances where he's worked with Carnage against Spidey, even if it was just the 90s TV show. Until Brock's conscience and Cletus' psychosis take over at least.
Pretty sure there's also been a Venom host that isn't Brock that worked with Carnage as well.
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Post by: rybackstun
I wonder if we'll get a Sinister Six affiliation to cover the actual Six, or if they get stuck in the Spider-Foes affiliation.
Lots of good gak coming down the line tho
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Post by: AduroT
One of the recentish things I read had Spider Man and Venom working together to fight against Osborn fused with the Carnage Symbiote, aka Red Goblin iirc. Incidentally Doc Oc also helped fight against that, saving the life of Aunt May and earning a clean slate from Pete.
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Azreal13 wrote:Hmm, Mysterio listed on the Faction card, and therefore confirmed as a model.
I wonder who'll be pleased with this?!
Who indeed?!?
We're getting closer to a 'real' Sinister Six - but I'd take even one of the latter versions at this point!
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
I wouldn't get too excited about affiliation-spoilers. Remember Angela has been on the Asgardian card since near launch and she isn't even on the 2020 release calendar.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Spider foes feels more like an Amalgamation of just villains that hate spidey.
Doesnt feel like a group inspired by story or in the books, but just guys that just so happen to no be in a group yet.
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Well, we're also going to get an odd accumulation of heroes shortly. Daredevil, Punisher, and Taskmaster are due this year. None of them have ever really been in any hero group.
What are we going to get, Manhattan's Street Enforcers?
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Post by: hotsauceman1
drazz wrote:Well, we're also going to get an odd accumulation of heroes shortly. Daredevil, Punisher, and Taskmaster are due this year. None of them have ever really been in any hero group. What are we going to get, Manhattan's Street Enforcers?
Yeah im curious about that. I dont think every hero or villlain needs an affiliation. Im interested in how these new round of heros turn out and where they fit in, being less super powered(Punishers is just "I have guns" lol) so im wondering if its just gonna be these guys are more squad fillers that shole up weakenesses in your team. Also, we could get Heros for Hire.
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Not sure if it's a typo but I think it would be cool to have a super hero peanut like the thread says. I nominate something like the Punisher for the Green Goober!
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Post by: Azreal13
I dont think every hero or villlain needs an affiliation.
I think for gameplay purposes they probably do, ultimately. Or they're so strong that you take them anyway, which isn't healthy balance.
As it stands currently you can probably only afford one character that isn't affiliated in most lineups, so that instantly puts that slot under much higher competition than it does for affiliated slots, meaning the top one or two choices will likely get chosen over and over and other models won't see much play. It also keeps the team structure loose but fundamentally fluffy, and works against people theory crafting the optimal lineup and disregarding factions entirely.
We can afford a few without a faction, but ultimately I don't think they're good for the game (unless they have a mechanic like WS) or will become redundant.
Im interested in how these new round of heros turn out and where they fit in, being less super powered(Punishers is just "I have guns" lol) so im wondering if its just gonna be these guys are more squad fillers that shole up weakenesses in your team.
Punisher gets repeatedly smacked about but keeps on trucking, iwhich is potentially a superpower, it just isn't classed as such. But fundamentally Hawkeye, Black Widow, Zemo and Crossbones all have a place, so there's plenty of room for the City heroes amongst the Global and Galactic level ones. The likes of Daredevil have punched above their weight on many occasions, he's even "beaten" Hulk.
But "I have guns" remains a perfectly adequate superpower when you consider how many characters in the game aren't actually bullet proof.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
You can pretty much guarantee you can find a 'team' for any hero or villain that's been around long enough eg https://comicvine.gamespot.com/punisher/4005-1525/teams/ We know ghost rider is on the way, and with that X showing up i'd be surprised if Wolverine isn't among the first of the Xmen to show so the Hearts of Darkness should be possible (assuming a 3 man team roster is ok?
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
drazz wrote:Well, we're also going to get an odd accumulation of heroes shortly. Daredevil, Punisher, and Taskmaster are due this year. None of them have ever really been in any hero group.
What are we going to get, Manhattan's Street Enforcers?
Daredevil has the Defenders (Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist) as probably his more classic group. There's been a few other groups but that's probably the one more likely as the street group. I'm surprised it's not more well known that Daredevil has been through a variety of groups.
Punisher has also joined it a few times funnily enough. Though what one he'll be finalized in is going to be odder.
Taskmaster.. Depends on if he's counted as being part of Hydra or not still. He's been part of a few groups, some of which he's personally led as a mercenary leader.
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Post by: Grot 6
Punisher Taskmaster is going to be released in a couple of months. Expect him along with Ghost Rider.
Manhattan Street was supposed to be next, after the Thanos run, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Spiderteam. IIRC, we were supposed to see the Defenders next, but then the Corona stuff kicked up.
Your main Villains' right now are-
Thanos, Corvus Glaive and Proxima, Black Dwarf and Ebony, Ronan the Accuser,
Update from Website-
https://www.atomicmassgames.com/
Update from back in March, PreCorona-
https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/marvel-crisis-protocol-taskmaster-punisher/
My info is that Defenders is next, and there's something else brewing for X men.
Hawkeye and Black Widow are supposed to be out next week, give or take.
Update.
I have word from ... a little bird, that-
Ghost Spider, Miles Spiderman, Ghostrider, Antman and Wasp are out in August,
Punisher and taskmaster, Angela and Enchantress in September,
Daredevil and Bullseye , Kingpin are going to be out in November...
I'd expect to hear more about Jessica Jones, Power Man and iron Fist coming after that...
They also said the releases are fluid at this point, so if you are going to get them, get them when they come out, there's no way of knowing availability.
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When it comes to attacking, the good doctor doesn’t rely on the brute force of Physical attacks, using Energy and, appropriately, Mystic attack types instead. This gives Doctor Strange an edge on his foes, who often are less resilient to these attack types. Bolts of Bedevilment has a decent Range 4, but the iconic Crimson Bands of Cytorak attack is a true showstopper. By default, this attack allows Doctor Strange to inflict the Stagger special condition, but if the attack roll produces a critical, wild, and a regular hit, Doctor Strange can use the Mystic Binding special rule instead, giving the target an activated token—monkeying with your opponent’s action economy as a result!
Doctor Strange has four different superpowers, each taken from one of the many classic spells the Sorcerer Supreme has used in defending the world from mystical threats. Each one is potent and useful, but special mention goes to the Eye of Agamotto innate power. Not only does this permit Doctor Strange to modify and reroll failures, once per attack he can reroll all the dice of an attack or defense roll. Wielding a Vishanti’s weapon of wisdom has its benefits!
Doctor Strange defends the world aided by his loyal protector, Wong. While he lacks the breadth of abilities the Sorcerer Supreme possesses, he is a valuable addition to any crisis team’s roster! With a Threat of 2, Wong can help to fill in the gaps and put another character on the field, which can be quite useful when you’re trying to secure valuable assets or hold critical locations.
Wong’s rules are a reflection of his role in supporting Doctor Strange. Most of his superpowers benefit other characters in Wong’s vicinity, from Faithful Assistant which allows a friendly character within Range 3 to gain 1 additional power to the potent The Vishanti’s Blessing power that allows an ally of Wong to remove 2 damage or a special condition.
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:I wouldn't get too excited about affiliation-spoilers. Remember Angela has been on the Asgardian card since near launch and she isn't even on the 2020 release calendar.
Angela/Enchantress is slated for September. I'm still annoyed we're getting some stupid 90's bewb comic leftover rather than Skurge the Executioner or Mantis.
Element games has some other pre-order date info, and other sites are listing a NYC Construction Site terrain pack that I havent seen mentioned.
https://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures/cult-steampunk-other-miniatures-games/marvel-crisis-protocol
No Carnage release date, but it seems likely he'd be packed with Mysterio and released around the time as the Green Goblin.
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Post by: drazz
Carnage packed with Mysterio would be an odd one to me, but welcome. Thinking they'll come out near Goblin would be a surprise. Goblin is already in pre-orders, and we've seen a fair amount of this year's release list. And we've seen models of Ant-Man and Wasp. But nothing yet on Carnage.
Dr. Strange sounds like he's going to be a big control pice. Handing out "Activated" tokens and Stagger? Huge.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Nice. Among all the leaking and teaser photos I didn't see Angela announced.
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Wrote a post, post went weird. Here's the pertinent bit as a screenshot.
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Apparently Goblin is now due with Miles and Gwen in Aug, but not any of the other Aug releases from this list, so I'd guess they're bumped to September and everything subsequent has been bumped accordingly
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drazz wrote:Carnage packed with Mysterio would be an odd one to me, but welcome. Thinking they'll come out near Goblin would be a surprise. Goblin is already in pre-orders, and we've seen a fair amount of this year's release list. And we've seen models of Ant-Man and Wasp. But nothing yet on Carnage.
Carnage and Mysterio is just speculation on my part, but they're both part of the Foes of Spider-Man affiliation, so I figure it's a decent guess. Kingpin is supposedly in November, and Goblin was bumped to Jan 2021 for a while, so I'm figuring they'll be late 2020/early 2021 to finish up that faction. If there's another OG Spider-Man villain like Kraven, Hobgoblin or Electro that would be great too!.
Have they added any characters to existing affiliations? Like if we get Storm, would there be a new Wakanda affiliation card? Or Beast in Defenders, Scarlet Witch in Avengers, etc?
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They have changed Afiliation cards before yes.
Storm to Wakanda would be welcome.
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Post by: drazz
New characters, yes. Ant-Man and Wasp, Hawkeye and New Black Widow to Avengers I think are the only instances so far.
That list is pretty much what I've seen before. Lots of quality characters in there.
It does seem odd there are no October releases though.
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Unless Oct is the planned release of Xmen,, but i doupt that
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Post by: angel of death 007
Hopeful as well. I mean you got the Marvel License so why they haven't done Xmen is completely crazy as they would be a big money maker.
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I still firmly believe its going to be another game Ala Warmahordes.
IT just makes too much sense, allow another game under your belt while having it be "Compatible" looks good for a fledgling studio.
My biggest surprise is they have not taken much from the Spiderman Video game.
That game was insanely popular. I expected Mr. Negative and Silver Sable to be up sometime
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Post by: LunarSol
Apparently Goblin is releasing alongside Miles and Gwen next month. He showed up on my shops order list from the distributor last week.
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Post by: Manchu
Man dying to know what the deal is with X-men news tomorrow ...
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Post by: LunarSol
hotsauceman1 wrote:I still firmly believe its going to be another game Ala Warmahordes.
IT just makes too much sense, allow another game under your belt while having it be "Compatible" looks good for a fledgling studio.
Given they're under the Asmodee umbrella, I expect it to be similar to what we've seen with Legion and the Clone Wars factions. New starter box, but still very much the same game.
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Post by: drazz
I think this is the expections. Maybe some new mechanics. Maybe a Warmachine/hordes type thing with common rules but new interactions.
X-men could be the largest affiliation ever though.
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If it turns out to be an Xmen starter, I'm hoping for a Classic team plus Wolverine vs. Brotherhood of Mutants.
Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Angel
Magneto, Mystique, Blob, Toad, Sabertooth.
Then I need Cable & Deadpool...
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I honestly hope they hold back on Angel and have him come out when they get to Apocalypse and have him with metal wings.
I would love an Apcalypse Ultimate encounter of Him and his 4 horsemen
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm hoping for the 60's versions - team and costumes!
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Post by: Tagony
My bet for the xmen starter is Cyclops, Jean, wolverine, beast. The 5th is a toss up between gambit, rogue, ocean, or night crawler. Gambit and rogue could be thier own box though. I am most excited for gambit and collosus.
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Post by: skrulnik
I'm embarrassed. Totally forgot about Iceman!
And I'd love to get both Angel and Archangel. Can introduce Archangel with the other Horsemen and Apocalypse!
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Post by: Soul Samurai
I fear you may end up being disappointed; I doubt they will go that far back for the X-Men, not when most of their models so far have been slightly more modern/timeless versions.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
I'm expecting a more 90's/current release list, with some crossovers to existing affiliations to pull people into a second starter box, like Storm with Wakanda or to set up future affiliations (Sabertooth/Mystique for Marauders, Deadpool for X-Force). With the rights to mutants now back with the MCU, I think we're going to see a big X-Men push again. The second compatible game makes sense given just how huge the mutant side of the Marvel universe is, with multiple hero and villain factions available to be fleshed out.
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Post by: Grot 6
Here is more 3D printable terrain from Corvus ..
Their range is getting better and better...
https://corvusgamesterrain.com/collections/modern-urban-post-apocalyptic
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Post by: Alpharius
Tagony wrote:My bet for the xmen starter is Cyclops, Jean, wolverine, beast. The 5th is a toss up between gambit, rogue, ocean, or night crawler. Gambit and rogue could be thier own box though. I am most excited for gambit and collosus.
Who is...'ocean'?
Iceman?
And yeah, I'm pretty sure they won't go with a 60's X-Men look and feel - but Dare to Dream and all that!
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Post by: Azreal13
No new starter, 4 boxes, 2 X, 2 Brotherhood. Edit, scratch that, Sabretooth is with Wolverine and Beast is packaged with Mystique. Magneto and Toad, Storm and Cyclops.
Cyclops
Wolverine
Storm
Beast
Magneto
Sabertooth
Mystique
Toad
Lot of jump cuts in the video, but suffice to say nobody has deviated far from their "classic" looks
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Theory of "sister game" shot down as the bs it always predictability was.
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Release Q4
This is wave 1, will be a bit of a wait until further mutants enter the game.
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Post by: Azreal13
Stills
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Confirmation of alternate heads, at least for some, obvious one is Wolverine with or without mask.
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Post by: Aeneades
The new Citadel Technical paint works well on the Hulk (picture attached). This was a very quick first coat over Wraith Bone in less than 5 minutes. Just need to watch out for bubbles as it went extremely bubbly when mixed. Added further layers afterwards to darken the shadowed areas and the the recesses.
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Post by: ScarletRose
I'm guessing we'll see Juggernaut later on as a Hulk sized single model box?
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Post by: Azreal13
ScarletRose wrote:I'm guessing we'll see Juggernaut later on as a Hulk sized single model box?
I'd say that's a fair bet. He's got to be near the top of the list, even if he didn't make wave 1.
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Post by: Aeneades
Magneto comes with a couple of steel girders on bases which is interesting.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Azreal13 wrote: ScarletRose wrote:I'm guessing we'll see Juggernaut later on as a Hulk sized single model box?
I'd say that's a fair bet. He's got to be near the top of the list, even if he didn't make wave 1.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a large Blob soon as well.
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Post by: Azreal13
I expect Magneto will be able to create and subsequently throw/push his own terrain, given their presence.
Blob I'd be less sure of, he's had little cinematic exposure outside of comic relief, and while not strict, the movies do seem to be influencing their initial release decisions.
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Post by: Grot 6
Manchu wrote:Man dying to know what the deal is with X-men news tomorrow ...
This-
https://twitter.com/i/status/1288617852140843008
Hold onto your garters, ladies....
These are some really good looking figures. They look better then the Base set does.
Make sure you tune into the Gencon discussions, as well...
They have a pretty good crew working for them, I really look forward to tomorrow ....
https://www.twitch.tv/atomicmassgames
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Post by: Azreal13
Do you literally never read a thread to the end before posting?
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Wolverine can be built without his stupid mask yay.
All in all while I was hoping for a core set and possibly a new game, this is still exciting.
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Post by: Aeneades
Beast comes with alternate head with reading glasses and alternate hand with book so you can pose him reading.
The end of the announcement trailer confirmed Deadpool as a future release.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
yall reckon any of that is new terrain? The Statue got some attention for a bit.
Maybe the fence? its not painted like other terrain
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Post by: Grot 6
hotsauceman1 wrote:yall reckon any of that is new terrain? The Statue got some attention for a bit.
Maybe the fence? its not painted like other terrain
I'd expect to see some of it later on after the release. They put out a terrain set for the splash.
So far we have NYC, and the Cosmic, so I would half expect either the fence-line, a gate complex, or the mansion face with that fountain.
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Post by: Azreal13
It's been confirmed that all the Xavier School stuff is custom built.
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Azreal13 wrote: ScarletRose wrote:I'm guessing we'll see Juggernaut later on as a Hulk sized single model box?
I'd say that's a fair bet. He's got to be near the top of the list, even if he didn't make wave 1.
I will be shocked if he isn’t part of the next X-announcement.
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Post by: drazz
The statue and walls I can see. A mansion set will be coming with those pieces.
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Post by: rybackstun
I'm mostly happy with the selection of characters here. A Jumpstart for X-Men and Brotherhood teams, with hopefully a significantly larger presence coming down the line.
Gimme some Novas, F4, Inhumans, and Doom.
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Post by: aku-chan
Hmm...
Their Gencon page ( https://www.atomicmassgames.com/gencon-online?fbclid=IwAR3FJ4gspFFnEayvpmMmsDDHjX91N0BThGde3383UDgma6hmjdqspoi_gHc) has pics of all the new X-men stuff plus placeholders for 8 more minis.
Don't know if that means there's more to reveal this weekend, or that's reserved for when the next lot of mutants show up.
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Post by: Vector Strike
Sadly, no new core set... but at least they're coming!
X!
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Post by: Aeneades
They said there would be more announcements this weekend as part of the other sessions. Some may just be better images of what we have seen but hoping to see the street level Marvel models previews such as Daredevil and Kingpin.
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Post by: Grot 6
Gen Con schedule
Wednesday July 29th
7pm Eastern/4pm Pacific: Special Announcement
Thursday July 30th
12:30pm Eastern/9:30 am Pacific: Infinity Clash Play-at-Home Event Kickoff
Join Head of Studio Will Shick as he gives you the rundown on our special play-at-home Gen Con event!
1pm Eastern/10am Pacific: Atomic Mass Transmissions Live
Join Studio Head Will Shick and Creative Director Dallas Kemp as they paint miniatures and provide tips and tricks to improve your hobby skills.
6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific: Unlock Your Metalocity
Join Creative Director Dallas Kemp and discover the secrets to painting amazing looking true metallics to give your minis that special bling!
Friday July 31st
1pm Eastern/10am Pacific: Creating the Protocol : The Design Philosophy of Marvel: Crisis Protocol
Join Head of Studio Will Shick and Lead Developer Will Pagani as they discuss how the AMG team approached the design of Marvel: Crisis Protocol and how that philosophy guides the future of the game.
3:30pm Eastern/12:30pm Pacific: The Secret to Making Your Colors Pop:
Join Dallas Kemp and learn the tricks to taking your miniatures painting to the next level! This seminar will focus on color brightness and saturation, using techniques such as inks, glazes, and more.
6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific: The Art and Sculpting of Marvel: Crisis Protocol:
Join AMG staff as they discuss their approach to creating the miniatures and card illustrations that end up on your table.
Saturday August 1st
1pm Eastern/10am Pacific: Painting Flesh Tones:
Join Dallas Kemp as they cover how to achieve various flesh tones from across the cosmos! We will be demonstrating how to paint multiple kinds of skin colors to enhance your miniatures hobby skills.
3pm Eastern/12pm Pacific: From Panel to Play Live:
The process of translating character to game rules! Discover how AMG approaches taking the spectacular characters of Marvel from their origins on the page to the battle on the tabletop.
6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific: Atomic Mass Transmissions Live: Gen Con Special:
A special episode of Atomic Mass Transmissions Live, covering some of the news and reveals of Gen Con weekend!
Sunday August 2nd
1pm Eastern/10am Pacific: Walking the “Path of the Worthy”:
Learn from Dallas Kemp the techniques that will help advance you on your path to claiming the title of the Wor
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Post by: LunarSol
The Mutant stuff is marked CP40-43. We've had officially teasers of stuff up through CP27 and unofficial solicitations that give us an idea of what's in CP28-32/33. That's a lot of potential models to reveal.
Also, one of them is almost certainly Mysterio. He can be seen WAAAAAAY in the background during the stream.
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Post by: Azreal13
Frank!
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Post by: Alpharius
Suns Out Guns Out isn't the look I would've chose, but a nice looking miniature nonetheless!
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I does kinda helpo that if you are going with the Classical Black to have something like his arms exposed.
However, i do think imma gonna paint his pants camo lol.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Wish he had the frequent trench-coat to make his silhouette more interesting, but I am still good with it. Show his package buddy Taskmaster next!!!
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Post by: Aeneades
Can’t link from mobile but Task Master has now been revealed.
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Post by: LunarSol
Aeneades wrote:Can’t link from mobile but Task Master has now been revealed.
Seems likely the mystery 8 are:
Punisher
Taskmaster
Kingpin
Bullseye
Daredevil
Ghost Rider
Enchantress
Angela
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Post by: drazz
Aeneades wrote:Can’t link from mobile but Task Master has now been revealed.
I got you fam.
https://imgur.com/a/pFkny6V#LQKzlNz
Cape? Check
Shield? Check
Sword? Check
Skull Mask? Check
Tactical rock? Check
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Atleasts it better than a tactical panther statuu
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Post by: Azreal13
Linking from a phone really isn't tough.
Look!
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Nice,
Not really a model/villain im familiar with, but im will to get him just to get Frank Castle
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Post by: Azreal13
His superpower is that he can flawlessly replicate anything once he's seen it done. So comics wise he is a nightmare for heroes to fight because he's able to mimic their fight style and nullify them.
Mechanically for the game, that poses some interesting options,.
One of the Alchemists had a straight up "copy one of your opponents superpowers" ability in Guild Ball and they never got it balanced before eventually reworking the character without it.
They've had more luck with a once per turn, friendly models only, limited range version, so it'll be interesting to see how AMG take it on.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Maybe something like he can chose one power that was used near him aslong as it is physical?
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