Overread wrote:
Meanwhile at the top end there is a LOT of power behind that faith. You can't just sweep it under the carpet in one go. Remember in this setting the Faith is very tightly bound to the military on many levels even to having their own women at arms (Sisters of Battle).
If you declared the faith in the Emperor null and void you're trying to go against 10 Thousand years of training and indoctrination, power bodies and more.

Years ago, my personal headcanon was that the Imperial Church was a means of the Emperor fulfilling his original 'make mankind a psychic species' plan, and all the miracles and acts of faith were actually psychic potential being unlocked in the faithful. Extra points for the most anti-psyker faction actually being the most psychic.

Since then, GW has gone on to explicitly state that faith is completely distinct from psychic powers, which makes me sad.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Since then, GW has gone on to explicitly state that faith is completely distinct from psychic powers, which makes me sad.

So the Emperor's apotheosis is now canon?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Anyone else wondering if Guilliman might actually try to get rid of the whole 'faith' thing? After all, the Emperor never wanted to be worshipped as a god, and Guilliman would know that.

Yr he wanted and Claimed otherwise as it suited him.


Afterall heresy went more or less as he planned

 Overread wrote:
You can't just stop Imperial Faith. In some ways its the only thing holding the Imperium together as a single operating functional body of humanity.

Meanwhile at the top end there is a LOT of power behind that faith. You can't just sweep it under the carpet in one go. Remember in this setting the Faith is very tightly bound to the military on many levels even to having their own women at arms (Sisters of Battle).
If you declared the faith in the Emperor null and void you're trying to go against 10 Thousand years of training and indoctrination, power bodies and more.


He might be almost second to the Emperor in theory, but don't forget his brothers fell to darkness and him denying the divinity of the Emperor would be just the kind of thing a fallen one would say.

He has to play within the politics of the age he is in now. To do otherwise would run the risk of causing the Imperium to suffer a second civil war

And that is indeed again something addressed in the lore once he’s back.
That it’s necessary and he can’t do much about it, whatever his thoughts on it.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Since then, GW has gone on to explicitly state that faith is completely distinct from psychic powers, which makes me sad.

So the Emperor's apotheosis is now canon?

It has been since the very first set of Heresy books when Keeler manifested miracles in the Emperor's name through faith alone.

Euphrati Keeler was the one present at the banishment of the Chaos Spawn summoned by Kyril Sinderman. Keeler invoked the name of the Emperor in confrontation (as she was a follower of the Lectitio Divinitatus likely due to her encounter with Samus on 63-19) and it was the Lidless Stare of the Vengeful Spirit's Navigator that finally killed it. Keeler then fell into a coma and became an object of worship for the followers of the Divinitatus with the Silent Sisterhood theorising she may have in fact been a latent Psyker.

Fixed.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I think that's just it; I liked them better when they didn't have a POV.
Probably because I'm nostalgic for their 2nd Edition incarnation.

It's kinda funny how people who never played DoW (or read Xenology, or any of the other dozen+ sources but these two are the most prominent) think old Necrons didn't have 'personality' when they absolutely did:

https://youtu.be/n0FEo2WSLBM?t=196 [I so miss DoW quips, good humor and better writing than 95% of GW output...]

New Necrons are not only far more grimdark than old incarnation, but Trazyn and co were one of the best additions to 40K canon in the last two decades. Also, 5th edition Codex was one of the best transitions from one trick pony same-same "army" into a real, fleshed out in both lore and diverse minis faction in the four decades of the setting. Also, funnily enough the book left in place option of having one dimensional Oldcrons still with several canon examples but no one does this as it is just trash in comparison and just boring.

 Geifer wrote:
It'll just be more Saturday morning cartoon villainy like anything Necron from the past fifteen years, and that just isn't for me.

If you think actual characters with backstory, motivations, goals and quirks are more 'Saturday morning cartoon' than faceless mooks with none of that and zero depth existing only to provide good shooting targets in literal cardboard Saturday morning cartoon villain copy-paste I have no idea what to tell you

 Irbis wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I think that's just it; I liked them better when they didn't have a POV.
Probably because I'm nostalgic for their 2nd Edition incarnation.

It's kinda funny how people who never played DoW (or read Xenology, or any of the other dozen+ sources but these two are the most prominent) think old Necrons didn't have 'personality' when they absolutely did:

https://youtu.be/n0FEo2WSLBM?t=196 [I so miss DoW quips, good humor and better writing than 95% of GW output...]

New Necrons are not only far more grimdark than old incarnation, but Trazyn and co were one of the best additions to 40K canon in the last two decades. Also, 5th edition Codex was one of the best transitions from one trick pony same-same "army" into a real, fleshed out in both lore and diverse minis faction in the four decades of the setting. Also, funnily enough the book left in place option of having one dimensional Oldcrons still with several canon examples but no one does this as it is just trash in comparison and just boring.

 Geifer wrote:
It'll just be more Saturday morning cartoon villainy like anything Necron from the past fifteen years, and that just isn't for me.

If you think actual characters with backstory, motivations, goals and quirks are more 'Saturday morning cartoon' than faceless mooks with none of that and zero depth existing only to provide good shooting targets in literal cardboard Saturday morning cartoon villain copy-paste I have no idea what to tell you

Some people were sold on Necron as "terminator robots but in space and without Swarzennager" and apparently took that so deeply to heart that anything different must be the work of the devil.

But seriously, lore changes but it doesn't define your army. if you want to play your Necron as faceless emotionless robots that never have an iota of personality other than 'kill all life', go for it. If you want your Necron overlord to be an over-the-top Broadway-type drama-king, go for it. What other people do, and even what GW prints, does not have that big of an impact on how you define your own models.

I don't think I'll prolong my subscription this year and I have a gut feeling I am not the only one. The announcement of Pariah Nexus for summer is actually making it worse tbh. Because that means it will come out in what normal people call fall, so Season 3 most likely.

The simple reason is, the service is drying up fast. It's been almost 6 months into season 2 and of the promised 5 or so shows, only the final cuts (filler content), the finale of Interrogator, the Angels of Death prequel and 2 H&B have materialised. We are down to something like 1 animation per month and it is steadily declining even if the quality is somewhat increasing. They went from 4 WDs down to 2 per week, with one week of 1 WD of the current publications. It's understandable, since this is a limited resource and they are running out of them in about 4 years (at this pace), but still. they couldn't even hold the timing for the annual season mini, but instead had people paying for their annual membership and only fixed that up months later.

There are no updates to the interfaces. The vault is a mess, I still get an advertisement for the service I have already subscribed to (that is very basic UX no go) and there is no ordering, taggin, filtering besides a simple search. Which is terrible considering that the only real saving grace is that the vault is by now actually quite full of nice lore. And don't get me started on the horrible reader. The TV page is still riddled with bugs (sometimes I am signed in, but it tells me I need to sign in to watch, if I fast forward/backward more than 3 times in a row the player just goes belly up most of the time etc.)

And the 40K app.....is still steaming pile of remains on rails.

Yes I am aware that the quality of the content is getting better, but there is so much else that is stagnating that the only saving grace for annual subscription is the mini. So it better be really good and on time or else I rather see myself at purchasing a single months subscription every 12-18 months and probably watch the entire new content on a saturday afternoon once a year.

It's not like GW is not having funds ready for investment, we know their annual numbers.

Weren't we also promised a Crusade app for 40k at some point?

And where's my Imperial Knight show GW?

i wish i can buy to own. i hate renting for eternity. i mean, how can i watch these animations, when games workshop discontinues the warhammer tv service

shadowsfm wrote:
i wish i can buy to own. i hate renting for eternity. i mean, how can i watch these animations, when games workshop discontinues the warhammer tv service

That is my biggest complaint with the whole move toward streaming. GW are very much not alone; there are a lot of streamed shows now which might get entirely lost because the companies streaming them will see no need for DVD/Bluray releases and if they do do them they might be the collectors style. So very limited production run; limited sale window and likely a very high price with other collectable items inside. So neat, but not the kind of thing you can just grab on a whim and not the kind of thing that will sit long in the market to give you a chance too if you're not right there at the release window.

Welcome to the new world, where you will own nothing, but still pay for it.

There must be a way of getting them into some video converter or something?

There are.
Videos of them all exist out there. For all the other video content too.
I thought about grabbing them, but to be fair, once watched on WH+ I haven’t gone back to any since.

 Overread wrote:
That is my biggest complaint with the whole move toward streaming. GW are very much not alone; there are a lot of streamed shows now which might get entirely lost because the companies streaming them will see no need for DVD/Bluray releases and if they do do them they might be the collectors style.

Never mind videos, as that at least is easy to capture and a lot of people do that to share the works with countries where said streaming service doesn't run. There as a lot of online only games, often with amazing art and stories, that only give a client to players and will be completely dead and gone once the servers shut down. Sure, people do summaries and youtube playthroughs, but all that does preserve is one path out of many and it's only a tiny slice of real experience...

Interesting update from GW's financial report. They mention that they have 115 thousand subscribers for Warhammer+. That's more than I expected.

Chikout wrote:
Interesting update from GW's financial report. They mention that they have 115 thousand subscribers for Warhammer+. That's more than I expected.

And almost one bit of content for every subscriber!

Nice to get hard numbers. It makes sense, though, doesn't it? GW's profits started to soar when they introduced start collecting boxes as a more affordable way to get into the game for those not interested in the respective edition's starter box armies, and when they turned the 40k rules into something they could market as beginner friendly with 8th ed. It's only been going up for GW since then. That suggests a healthy and broad customer base.

That was Kirby's failing after all, trying to get more out of the existing customers instead of getting more people interested.

 Geifer wrote:
Nice to get hard numbers. It makes sense, though, doesn't it? GW's profits started to soar when they introduced start collecting boxes as a more affordable way to get into the game for those not interested in the respective edition's starter box armies, and when they turned the 40k rules into something they could market as beginner friendly with 8th ed. It's only been going up for GW since then. That suggests a healthy and broad customer base.

That was Kirby's failing after all, trying to get more out of the existing customers instead of getting more people interested.

50 quid per year is also shrewdly chosen as the classic 'whatever' price point you'd reasonably gift someone or buy for yourself for a threat - it's about-ish what a recent B-list console or PC game would cost without DLC, and pretty attractive due to the 'vault' stuff.

 Geifer wrote:
Nice to get hard numbers. It makes sense, though, doesn't it? GW's profits started to soar when they introduced start collecting boxes as a more affordable way to get into the game for those not interested in the respective edition's starter box armies, and when they turned the 40k rules into something they could market as beginner friendly with 8th ed. It's only been going up for GW since then. That suggests a healthy and broad customer base.

That was Kirby's failing after all, trying to get more out of the existing customers instead of getting more people interested.

Actually as I recall it Kirby was very pro new customer, but the staff training under him was very anti long term customer. I seem to recall the USA staff training was hyper focused on getting new customers and not as much interested in maintaining old ones.

In fact Kirby was famed for saying that he didn't need polls or consumer surveys, that he and his management understood their customers purely by instinct. Which was a core issue, they didn't. It led to insanity like the Age of Sigmar launch where the management were convinced customers were only interested in collectable models and I think they were even hoping to kind of lean into the thing that Comics and Magic the Gathering have been through - limited production run high profit model releases for collector/investor customers. Certainly AoS wasn't a game, it was a model collection at launch.

The other issue was a fear of modern marketing. Kirby management feared the internet and did not use it. They fought against it constantly. Meanwhile relying on a paid magazine as their main marketing tool.

The result was a management system that was built around getting new customers in the door with a view of short term profits in those early days, with little to no concern of retaining or returning long term customers.
They had a similar view to their products, things like Dreadfleet or Space Hulk making short term returns for quick cash injections with little to no desire to stretch them out into long products. There was also pressure on investment to find the best to invest in, which meant a hyper focus on Marines because nothing made a better return. Heck at its height GW decided to double the amount of marines by releasing primaris alongside regular marines instead of just doing a sculpt upgrade and releasing a new edition of marine models (which I'm convinced was the original conception for Primaris based on the fact that their army composition is almost identical to the core marine force)
There were also hiccups like the whole Lord of the Rings bubble bursting


Current management is using far more modern marketing and has reconnected with its actual playerbase. GW is running/sponsoring events again; they are marketing online every single day of the year; they are pushing out updates based on user feedback; they are responding to actual consumer surveys. The massive sales surges after Kirby left I think are a result of reinforcing the policies and methods for getting new people in the door; but also a massive amount of people who were customers returning to the fold. Bringing back old games; focusing investment outside of marines; etc...




In short Kirby management loved new customers and wanted to love established ones, but they didn't really understand either and they understood established ones the least.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Nice to get hard numbers. It makes sense, though, doesn't it? GW's profits started to soar when they introduced start collecting boxes as a more affordable way to get into the game for those not interested in the respective edition's starter box armies, and when they turned the 40k rules into something they could market as beginner friendly with 8th ed. It's only been going up for GW since then. That suggests a healthy and broad customer base.

That was Kirby's failing after all, trying to get more out of the existing customers instead of getting more people interested.

50 quid per year is also shrewdly chosen as the classic 'whatever' price point you'd reasonably gift someone or buy for yourself for a threat - it's about-ish what a recent B-list console or PC game would cost without DLC, and pretty attractive due to the 'vault' stuff.

And don't forget the plasticrack. No matter the quality and quantity of the digital content, getting something tangible you can enjoy even after your subscription is canceled gives people who aren't sold on the service and its price something different they may find appealing.

Yeay! New episode

Yep! Mechanicus being all Mechanicus!

dark eldar vs imperial guard vs iron warriors. joy

Iron Within was fairly good.

Just when I think I should give up on WH+, they shoestring me along a little further. Iron Within is good.

Yeah and I like that they released it in one go instead of broken into weekly parts. Good fun and a great watch.


Animation can be a bit stiff here and there, but overall solid

Iron Within was really good, shame the title spoils the 'twist' and that the animation models haven't been re-scaled much from their miniature versions - those Dark Eldar knives are huge!

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Iron Within was really good, shame the title spoils the 'twist' and that the animation models haven't been re-scaled much from their miniature versions - those Dark Eldar knives are huge!

I think, based on the last few seconds, it has another somewhat surprising twist? But yeah, I presume they need to attract viewers with the title.

Iron Within was decent. Better animation than some of their other stuff, but pacing and dialogue need work.

There's a moment right in the beginning where soldiers are fighting and you hear nothing but gunfire, and then suddenly the sgt tells them to move out and it's just really weird that there's no dialogue until that moment.

GW need to invest in some 'generic soldiers shouting' stock mp3s or something.

Gotta agree, would have liked a slightly more generic title so that the little crumbs that were dropped were less obvious and gave you a clue to what was happening, rather than "When do the Iron Warriors turn up?" feeling.

Still, enjoyable if a little janky here and there with the animation.

One of these days they will do a story called Iron Within and the twist is that it is either the Iron Hands or Alpha Legion instead.

I found Iron Within disappointing.

The bigger of the two twists was already given away with both the title and previews, the animation was either rather wooden and lifeless, or really exaggerated, like the running and vaulting animations of the Dark Eldar. The sound effects and action also felt very lacking, those were some very sad bolters. I also cringed when one of the Iron Warriors did the whole "stabbing someone without looking" bit that felt like it was just lifted from Astartes, who did it so much better. Lack of model variety is another thing that really sprung out to me, all Guardsmen, Eldar and Iron Warriors bar the leaders look the same.

Any word on what's next then? The release schedule for the animations has been anaemic to say the least, I thought we were promised more this year?

I digged Iron Within, with a few complaints:

The IW were entirely too clean for my tastes, and the Mandrake went out like an absolute chump.

I did like how the Dark Eldar leader was an absolute monster in combat.

Now hurry up and give me Darktalon, WH+!!!

I think, title aside, the Iron Warriors being "clean" was intentional to try and make it easier to see how easily they could be mistaken as Angels in the early part of their appearance and also the easy acceptance to bow.

It's easier to bow and obey Iron than it is when its standing there with a 3rd arm sticking out of its hip and another one has way too many eyes and that one over there is exploding flesh from his armour.


It also reinforces the whole purity of the Iron - the Armour - side of the story that's conveyed. We see their purity in form and iron - we don't see the warped taint beneath it

It was pretty good but as others have said, it was essentially spoilered from the start.

With a different title and WHC not basically saying it’s chaos marines , then it would have been a nice first clue when you saw the dread claws coming down that it’s not the help they think.

The whole service still feels content light and it’s only really worth paying for because of the miniature, without that then it’d be a hard pass.

I spent half the show waiting for something unexpected to happen.
Why would they do that!

It was ok I think, it felt to small. A planet invasion? But then it all fizzle out and the dark Eldar didn’t even have ships in the sky? They even mention all the ships had flee or been shot down I thought.
Like it should have been a short off the second half, or much longer and they condensed it down.
I don’t know, feel a bit like something was missed.

The title, "Iron Within", I think, as much refers as much to the second twist (at the end) as the presence of the Iron Warriors. Anyway, pretty well-crafted effort.

 themonk wrote:
The title, "Iron Within", I think, as much refers as much to the second twist (at the end) as the presence of the Iron Warriors. Anyway, pretty well-crafted effort.

Animation quality on everything GW touches is just so bad.

Blacktalon (part 1 of 6) is out. Episode name Reforged, 23 minutes long. This gives games workshop a chance to get me into age of sigmar

-looks again- the video is gone again. Where did it go?

Black Talon 1 was....ok. The plot twist was self spoilered and I can only forgive the total mess of the first 10min of "what the hell is the chronology of this scene" under the presumption that the author wanted us to experience her confusion ourselves.

Animation was well enough, good sound effects and voice acting. They are certainly improving here.

I'm not into AoS but are Sigmarines supposed to be so weak? The hall is empty, as if hardly anyone of them remains and they seem to die to a heavier gust of wind at times. The woman at the table summed it up quite nicely, their tactics are suicidal and stupid. There has to be a more efficient way of fighting than jumping face first into axes and hoping to out respawn your enemy.

I am certainly not happy with only one animation every 6-7 weeks. Even if the quality is better now. And where is Astartes 2? Seriously GW, did you waste that guys talent?

 GiToRaZor wrote:
Black Talon 1 was....ok. The plot twist was self spoilered and I can only forgive the total mess of the first 10min of "what the hell is the chronology of this scene" under the presumption that the author wanted us to experience her confusion ourselves.

Animation was well enough, good sound effects and voice acting. They are certainly improving here.

I'm not into AoS but are Sigmarines supposed to be so weak? The hall is empty, as if hardly anyone of them remains and they seem to die to a heavier gust of wind at times. The woman at the table summed it up quite nicely, their tactics are suicidal and stupid. There has to be a more efficient way of fighting than jumping face first into axes and hoping to out respawn your enemy.

I am certainly not happy with only one animation every 6-7 weeks. Even if the quality is better now. And where is Astartes 2? Seriously GW, did you waste that guys talent?

Stormcast explode when they die and are then reforged back in Azyr, the enemies that explode with them generally don't. So they can sometimes be a bit reckless in how they attack because it can help get the job done at minimal risk. The Stormcast here are also members of the Hammers of Sigmar (aka Stormcast Ultramarines) so they probably don't have many of them held back as they tend to be sent out to claim the realms. Likewise Neave and the others are probably all part of the vanguard chambers so are used for scouting and hunting down specific targets. It could be that those halls are for that chamber and thus most are out with the various crusades and Stormhosts.

Also worth noting here that a focus of the story is specifically on what Neave forgets when she's reforged so you kind of want to show a mission where they did die whilst completing it to show that they all react to it differently.

But yeah, animation was solid, sound effects and voice acting were good and the story is at least interesting.

 GiToRaZor wrote:


I'm not into AoS but are Sigmarines supposed to be so weak? The hall is empty, as if hardly anyone of them remains and they seem to die to a heavier gust of wind at times. The woman at the table summed it up quite nicely, their tactics are suicidal and stupid. There has to be a more efficient way of fighting than jumping face first into axes and hoping to out respawn your enemy.

Stormcast are basically the good equivalent of Chaos Warriors. Not your Slaves to darkness cultist, but full on Chaos Warriors. So they are about on-par with them. Accepting that both sides will have variety from the bottom to the elite of their ranks.
In this video they are a small group attacking a full encampment of demons and Chaos Warriors. I suspect that limits on budget might mean that the number of foes slain might be less than often appears in stories, but in general its about right. This was a suicide mission to kill a specific champion. A handful of Stormcast making a surgical strike to kill the leader, knowing that the numbers of foes in total would overwhelm them, but with the hope that having killed the leader they will have disrupted and broken its main powerbase and the plague they were looking to spread.

The Hall being empty I think is driving home how this story is about this elite group acting mostly on their own and choosing their objectives which might be outside of major army deployments and rank and file battles.

You are also right, there is intentional chaos at the start to create a befuddled state to help drive home the memory loss that comes from death and reforging. About the only part left out is that many times they won't be reforged instantly, they will instead be held in a stasis until there is room on the forge to be remade. So this unit are also showing how elite they are that they are favoured with what seems early reforging.


I also liked that there was a Kurnothi near the end.

Overall a solid and fun animation!

Kind of do agree that I wish they came more often, but I'm happy to accept that we get higher quality for fewer releases. The idea is both of course.

More than that, the Knight-Zephyros(of which Naeve Blacktalon is one of them) are basically meant to be guided missiles.

And each time that happens and they die they lose part of themselves. Over and over again they lose more of who they were and a little more of the God King's drive/impulses/desire to cleanse the realms is beaten into them.

Which is the dark part of the Stormcast and why its important to remember that they stand not for good, but for Order.

Thanks for the explanations. I still think that there could have been better ways to showcase Stormcasts. As a good counter example, the Total War Warhammer Intro/Trailer with the Imperial Patrol that gets surrounded by Chaos Knights comes to mind.

I'm looking forward to the next episodes, it's nice to see them giving AoS some dedicated screen time for a change.

In her novel Neave is described as being a reckless leader who will do anything to achieve the kill including sacrificing her crew and herself. This sets her at odds with the others who are less willing to sacrifice themselves as it means giving up something each time they die. Also the reforging is described as being a hideous experience. The show hints at these things but could lean into it more. I'm glad one of her crew said showed her fear in the first episode. Unlike the Space Marines, the Stormcast lived normal lives before they were reforged. The more times they die the more they lose sight of that person. It looks like this is going to be the main thread of the series. There's lots of potential to shine a light on a cool part of AoS lore that a lot of causal Warhammer fans probably don't know about. I really hope this show improves from what was a solid but unspectacular foundation.

This week's episode was better. First of all because we didn't have to wait 6 weeks again. But also since they had an actual plot cycle. I'm not a big fan of cutting mid action to a planning scene that explains what we will see in the seconds. Hopefully they will stop this cinema sin soon. But overall a lot more coherent, they left enough scenes for every character to have some time to distinct themselves.

Animation is still clunky, but leages ahead of the unbearable dia shows we had in 2022.

To;dr: We have finally surpassed 1984s Transformers animation quality. Still a long way to go until they reach 2017s Castlevania.

I'm surprised to have 2 episodes In a single month and potentially more. I hope this doesn't mean we will be expecting huge gaps, until the next project (maybe angels of death?)

shadowsfm wrote:
I'm surprised to have 2 episodes In a single month and potentially more. I hope this doesn't mean we will be expecting huge gaps, until the next project (maybe angels of death?)

I think they've shifted from intermittent videos with few gaps, but lower quality and broken up stories; into a pattern of longer gaps between animations, but a chunk of a single block in one go. In time we might see the gaps filled with things like Hammer and Bolter more - one off short animations that don't need to string together in to a series.

In theory they could make up for it with more non animation filler content such as two battle reports a week or more painting tutorials or such.

More of a year 3 update monthly price is going from £4.99 to £5.99 presume other currencies affected as well. Yearly sub prices stay the same. They need more content updated regularly to justify a price rise looks like they are trying to either get people on to annual subs or make up money from current subs.

Full access to 40K Battleforge restricted to subscribers from 30th August

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/28/warhammer-40000-app-battle-forge-access-update/

Pushing more people to annual makes sense, it gives GW a lump sum to work with rather than a trickle of cash, which is also good to have ,but they likely lose more in processing fees and such over one single payment.

Content is still disappointingly anaemic at this point. Yes it takes time to make shows and episodes, but this has been a depressingly poor year so far content-wise.

Also, where's my Imperial Knight show GW? 😡

I wonder how much money they've made from Warhammer+.... I assume not much if in 2 years they don't have enough to throw at content creators to make more.

I jumped on because of the model last year and have barely watched anything on it, partly because there's no much there and partly because what is there hasn't drawn me in.

It's going to depend what models they have this coming year. If it's something awesome maybe I'll renew, otherwise there's really no point for me.

I subbed for a month to check it out and the quality of the animations was pretty awful. I wouldn't watch 95% of it if it were free, let alone pay for it. At this point WH+ is a $60 exclusive model with a partially functioning app and some crappy animations thrown in for free.

Toofast wrote:
At this point WH+ is a $60 exclusive model with a partially functioning app and some crappy animations thrown in for free.

Basically I don't even use the app.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I wonder how much money they've made from Warhammer+.... I assume not much if in 2 years they don't have enough to throw at content creators to make more.

I jumped on because of the model last year and have barely watched anything on it, partly because there's no much there and partly because what is there hasn't drawn me in.

It's going to depend what models they have this coming year. If it's something awesome maybe I'll renew, otherwise there's really no point for me.

based on their last end-of-year report, about £500,000 actual profit, after expenses (something like £3 million income form subs, and it cost them about 2.5 million make and run WH+. numbers are off the top of my head, so i might be a bit off).

so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

I'm sure the "free" model is the main contributor to that. Warhammer nerds love an exclusive model.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

I'm sure the "free" model is the main contributor to that. Warhammer nerds love an exclusive model.

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

Honestly that makes me happy. I'm 100% totally fine with an exclusive model that one day goes on general sale. You get at least one year or more of exclusivity on an alternate sculpt for a model and then it goes on general sale for easy access for the masses.


Short term exclusivity I think is one of the best ways to run it for a model firm. I hate short term/one and done releases of exclusive models. Heck the worst example is Warmachine's "Loot Crate" because that really is super fomo and if you miss the one or two that you want that's it - nothing but super hard to find and high priced 2nd hand is your best bet.

I don't see the value in this service anymore the shows drop to slowly, the model is no longer exlusive(which is a good thing but does reduce objective value as you can sell an exclusive model for more then one that's easily avaliable)
I canceled They got a year out of me. It was worth about 3 months. Would take a lot to bring me back now that I have seen everything on offer. Maybe I'll do another years worth after 5-10 years and they produce some backlog.

Anyways enjoy it if you like. I'll pick up the models for cheep once they lose exclusivity. Withought that the shows need to do the heavy lifting,and they don't even release one weekly much less than I would expect.

If the model isn't even exclusive any more then I'm struggling to think of a reason to keep WH+, and I imagine many others will feel the same way.

I'm glad the model isn't exclusive.... but I don't think it was a good business move to make it non-exclusive, lol.

I guess it depends, if you would get the model anyway. Then it’s probably a saving, and do get some extra content as well.

But I do think they need to focus on a lot more content only they can do.
More interviews, discussion about the games and settings.

A full campaign of 40K set in a region of space, with write ups on warcom for players to play the missions.
How they actually go about doing narrative games, with a focus on setting up fun games around it.

Things lots of YouTubers can manage for lots of games, but should be an easy win for GW.

Even some Doco content, with a hidden not revealed mini in the background for people to spot.
Anything to get some more content up as I honestly could log on once every 6 months and easy get everything of value and if the mini isn’t expensive then it may actually save money not getting a sub.

The animation side isn’t really of the quality needed for it to be a seller on its own.
When there is so much great animation all over now.

Everything else is probably as needed for value.

They need to make the Vault easier to search/navigate and just fill it up already at a greater rate than an issue of WD every now and then. Give us some obscure, old, out of print stuff from the eighties! Throw up the old HH books!

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

That's good news. I paid $100 for the exclusive vindicare recently, won't do that again.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
They need to make the Vault easier to search/navigate and just fill it up already at a greater rate than an issue of WD every now and then. Give us some obscure, old, out of print stuff from the eighties! Throw up the old HH books!

Cutting out the rules from old books makes them worth less, even if I never plan to play them.

Toofast wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

That's good news. I paid $100 for the exclusive vindicare recently, won't do that again.

That's why I was glad I resisted temptation to pick up the Company Champion model and why I'm not ebaying for the Commissar's Duty model. I may have to be patient but I won't be paying anymore over the odds than you do for GW Direct.

Obligatory post about the Loot Group that Mad Dok Grotsnik runs. As far as I know, it's usually cost of model+shipping.


Personally, I'm just going the route of pestering GW. They should just do a Made to Order run for the event exclusives at the end of the year.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

I'm sure the "free" model is the main contributor to that. Warhammer nerds love an exclusive model.

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

That line was in the first year's sub ad too and it's yet to mean anything other than future proofing.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Obligatory post about the Loot Group that Mad Dok Grotsnik runs. As far as I know, it's usually cost of model+shipping.

How did that go with the WH+ exclusives? Last time with the Terminator it seemed like most people were either getting WH+ because of the Terminator, or even if it wasn't the reason they got WH+ they still wanted the model.

Seemed there was only a few people who either didn't want a model or wanted the AoS model so could therefore buy the Terminator to on sell.

Personally, I'm just going the route of pestering GW. They should just do a Made to Order run for the event exclusives at the end of the year.

I don't like them doing exclusive models.... but from the business perspective I think they do what GW want them to do in generating "artificial" interest, if they start releasing exclusive models even as MtO then it devalues any exclusive model going forward.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
if they start releasing exclusive models even as MtO then it devalues any exclusive model going forward.

They've already done a number of previously exclusive models as MTOs, most recently the Primaris Company Champion.

 Platuan4th wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
if they start releasing exclusive models even as MtO then it devalues any exclusive model going forward.

They've already done a number of previously exclusive models as MTOs, most recently the Primaris Company Champion.

How often do they do it though? I'd still consider it the exception rather than the rule, but I certainly don't follow GW close enough to know.

I don't generally think when an exclusive GW model comes up "I'll likely be able to get this down the track".

Eh, maybe they'll do a 'five years of WH+' celebration or something and have all previous exclusives up MTO for that.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
They need to make the Vault easier to search/navigate and just fill it up already at a greater rate than an issue of WD every now and then. Give us some obscure, old, out of print stuff from the eighties! Throw up the old HH books!

Yeah the online reader and poor search capability is a real barrier to using the Vault. I’d likely make quite a bit of use of the old material on there otherwise.

I don't care for exclusivity. Artificial rarety is something that only benefits scalpers. I just care for that the model looks interesting when painted. It's a bonus if I find it usable in play.

What grinds my gears though is the lack of progress in everything. The vault, while containing some nice content, has had 0 updates. You can't really search, everything is clustered all over the place. I can't even leave book marks. And it's slow as feth. I simply don't use it because it is a drag.

The animations are rare and few in between. The app has so much potential, that they just waste, because some UI Dev thought it is better to have everything in a modular wrapper with 1000 subtabs to open than to think about the bare bone UX of what people actually want to do.

It's frustrating to look at, like a guitar, a tennis rack and half finished "learn Spanish" book in the corner of a 15yr old's room. Hobbies abandoned halfway to the point of becoming somewhat decent.

I see things like DnD Beyond and can only shake my head. GW is still mentally in the 90s it seems.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
so, its making a steady but not spectacular profit, and its enough to to justify its continued existence. I remember a lot of people being suprised they were able to turn a profit so quickly, a lot of streaming services run a deficit for several years to build up the customer and content bases.

I'm sure the "free" model is the main contributor to that. Warhammer nerds love an exclusive model.

I agree, but the Warhammer nerds best be aware of this line in the lastest warcom article:
"On top of all that, you also get to pick a free miniature that’s initially exclusive to a Warhammer+ subscription"

Well thats me finished subbing when i get my "free" Chaos Terminator in a month, its not worth £59.88 a year for a £25 mini at mo and certainly not worth £71.88 a year for a £25 mini!, the animation is so sparse its unbelievable considering it was their main push for the service when it started.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
They need to make the Vault easier to search/navigate and just fill it up already at a greater rate than an issue of WD every now and then. Give us some obscure, old, out of print stuff from the eighties! Throw up the old HH books!

Cutting out the rules from old books makes them worth less, even if I never plan to play them.

Thankfully they don't cut the rules from the White Dwarfs.

Shouldnt we be seeing the year 3 minis by now?

 Original Timmy wrote:
Shouldnt we be seeing the year 3 minis by now?

I assume that's the "special miniature reveal on Monday" they mentioned yesterday. Should get posted in the next hour or two.

Ohh this means end of the month I can claim my Chaos sorcerer!





OOOH OOH Could it be a Tyranid for year 3?!

There's been a rumor of a Kasrkin character model for a promo figure, could be that.

I'd rather it not be a Tyranid though. Not because I think Tyranids are bad, but because I would rather all love go to figures that actually see a spot on the shelf!

Tyranids can feature on shelves too!

 xttz wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
Shouldnt we be seeing the year 3 minis by now?

I assume that's the "special miniature reveal on Monday" they mentioned yesterday. Should get posted in the next hour or two.

Oh i missed that, hopefully it is the W+ mini

 xttz wrote:


I assume that's the "special miniature reveal on Monday" they mentioned yesterday.

lol

I guess GW planned to show the Sigmar stuff today but the battletome leak forced them to drop everything on Friday instead. So today we get a bunch critters in a 'special' filler article instead.

 xttz wrote:

 xttz wrote:


I assume that's the "special miniature reveal on Monday" they mentioned yesterday.

lol

I guess GW planned to show the Sigmar stuff today but the battletome leak forced them to drop everything on Friday instead. So today we get a bunch critters in a 'special' filler article instead.

I doubt it was intended for today. If it were, they would have put it on Friday to accompany the range reveal response to the leak.

They're not doing great with this kind of thing lately. We're still waiting for the miniature preview from them hitting a certain number of followers on Twitter.

Didn’t they tease the warhammer + year 2 minis then didn’t reveal them until months later?

 Overread wrote:
Tyranids can feature on shelves too!

They can, but anything that cuts back on complaints of models being held back.

It sure would be nice if they show the Year 3 minis before my renewal date.

Having more regular content that isn't Loremasters or Battle Reports would be great.
But I haven't used the Vault much in 2 years.

Most of my use has been when a new animation drops, or the 40K app.
A little dabbling w the AoS app as well

 skrulnik wrote:
Most of my use has been when a new animation drops, or the 40K app.
A little dabbling w the AoS app as well

You don't need WH+ for the 40k app. Have they said that is how you will get access in the future?

pogey wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
Most of my use has been when a new animation drops, or the 40K app.
A little dabbling w the AoS app as well

You don't need WH+ for the 40k app. Have they said that is how you will get access in the future?

For the list builder, yes.

 Platuan4th wrote:

pogey wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
Most of my use has been when a new animation drops, or the 40K app.
A little dabbling w the AoS app as well

You don't need WH+ for the 40k app. Have they said that is how you will get access in the future?

For the list builder, yes.

Right. I had WH+ because the cost was slightly higher than the 40k app alone, during 9th ed.

I believe after another month or so, the 40k list builder gets locked into subscription again.

Yep and that makes sense - bundle it into Warhammer+ and make Warhammer+ the only subscription you need from GW outside of White Dwarf.

 Overread wrote:
Yep and that makes sense - bundle it into Warhammer+ and make Warhammer+ the only subscription you need from GW outside of White Dwarf.

The problem is they will pull the classic GW and think "WOW! Look how many people subscribed! They must be SUPER HAPPY with the animations on WH+!". This despite the fact the numbers went up after bribing people with a mini that will sell on ebay for the price of a subscription and then strong arming them by locking army building behind the paywall after making all the rules and points values free to access online for anyone. It's so weird to me. "Here, you can have access to all this stuff for free, but if you want a way to poorly organize it, give us $60/yr"

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/10/free-warhammer-content-get-a-taste-of-whats-on-offer/

Still no word on what's on offer for year 3 or what shows we can expect.

It’s still very light on quality content, not sure without the mini I would be willing to stick with it.
I still wonder if they plan to do a little more or if they just going to use it as a catch all sub for things like the app at this point.

We never got the Warhammer Adventures show that they previewed before year 1, right..?

No..t yet

End of August is when the list builder goes back behind the subscription. Still waiting to see how they do codexes with it yet.

Has anyone been able to order both the models this year? I’ve got the gorgeous Terminator (and haven’t sold it to HBMC, despite his prediction :p ) but the site isn’t allowing me to add the Sorceror to my basket.

Are you allowed both? I thought you had to choose one.

You get one for free as part of your sub, and can order the other. I think they’re £23 this year.

I think choosing to buy a model gets enabled when the monthly payers are allowed to choose their model.

I seem to recall some kind of lag like that last year on buying, but can't be sure.

I know I can't yet choose my model, but I'm expecting too end of the month/start of next.

I’ll give them a ring I think. Every time I view MyWarhammer, the page layout is screwy on iPad.

Or….I could setup my PC and do some Cricut stuff as well. That’s probably a more productive use of my time.

I just gave up waiting for them to unlock, and plan to bug them about it when my sub comes up.
I am on the yearly sub, so it should have pop up earlier but didn’t.

I got both the Khorne Terminator and the Sorceress just fine last year. Annual subscription for both years, unlocking with a delay of four weeks after the renewal as, I believe, was advertised at the time. I put both of them in the basket at the same time a week or two later, paid only for the one I didn't select as part of my subscription, and got them in the mail a couple of days later. No trouble whatsoever.

No idea how that works with monthly subscriptions. Or if you're eligible to buy the second model later if you don't buy it at the same time. Might be worth checking with customer service, or at least check terms and conditions on that stuff and see if it aligns with your experience. Can't rule out bugs throwing things out of whack, right?

There was a period of time last year where it was mistakenly giving access early. Still waiting to get Year 2 models here.

 Geifer wrote:


No idea how that works with monthly subscriptions. Or if you're eligible to buy the second model later if you don't buy it at the same time. Might be worth checking with customer service, or at least check terms and conditions on that stuff and see if it aligns with your experience. Can't rule out bugs throwing things out of whack, right?

I can still buy the year 1 model i didnt choose for £25/26, no idea if i still be able to buy it once the year 3 minis are available!

 Kanluwen wrote:
There was a period of time last year where it was mistakenly giving access early. Still waiting to get Year 2 models here.

Yeah, there was a glitch back then, but that early access was measured in a handful of weeks. Per the Warhammer Community article at the time (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/10/warhammer-year-two-is-nearly-here-get-ready-for-even-more-warhammer/, relevant bit quoted below) if you're an annual subscriber, you should have had access to the models somewhere around middle to end of September last year, like I did. As said in my previous post, everything went by the book for me. If that's not the case for you or anyone else, that sounds like a mistake on GW's part?

GW wrote:In a change to last year’s offer, annual subscribers will get this year’s free miniature just one month after taking out a subscription – great news if you want your hands on it quickly!

Monthly subscribers will still need to wait until they’ve been subscribed for a year. Check back next week to find out exactly what this year’s miniatures look like – though we reckon you can make a pretty solid guess based on these imposing silhouettes…

Yeah, personally wasn't too fussed given that the models were not ones I really wanted.

The Vault has the FW Masterclass books in it, which I did want.

Thanks guys, I had forgotten to order my previous exclusive model, it is now done !

Just looking at the direct debit for my annual subscription, which was taken out 25th August last year, so I presume it will be the same again this year. They really need to preview the model for next year so I can choose whether to cancel or not before it gets paid.

 Drakheart wrote:
Just looking at the direct debit for my annual subscription, which was taken out 25th August last year, so I presume it will be the same again this year. They really need to preview the model for next year so I can choose whether to cancel or not before it gets paid.

I'm beginning to suspect that GW wants to hold back showing off the year three models as long as possible so some people (re-)subscribe impulsively with the model reveals still fresh on their mind. It wouldn't surprise me. GW has been edging closer to Kirbyesque behavior again in recent years.

I've got 13 days according to the Warhammer+ site before my order auto-renews. In GW marketing speak that means they've got at least a week before they likely "have" to say anything.

I also hope they are going to start of the new season with the new models and also with a new show. Or at least something like new Bolter and Hammer episodes and the like

I’m surprised the Blacktalon team isn’t warhammer plus exclusive. Selling models through an app based on characters mostly exclusive to videos from that app seems like a no brainer (except Neave)

 Overread wrote:
I've got 13 days according to the Warhammer+ site before my order auto-renews. In GW marketing speak that means they've got at least a week before they likely "have" to say anything.

I also hope they are going to start of the new season with the new models and also with a new show. Or at least something like new Bolter and Hammer episodes and the like

Mine renews mid September. A lot will hinge on the 40K army builder app as it will require a subscription after August. I like this app much more than 9th editions.

The rest is still light on original animation and I rarely check it these days. I have both 40K minis but have yet to paint either.

We will see come early September.

The current app is fine, that it actually runs on a Chromebook from day one is a surprise to me, the previous app had no such proper support for ages that it was around.

Mine renews in ten days, still on the fence whether or not to renew, this last year has been rather light on the content I really enjoyed. Interrogator was good story-wise, while the Exodite or whatever that other one was called was also a fun watch. The Hamilcar animation was also good fun. But the rest, not really. Still waiting on that Imperial Knight show GW.. 😡

Dunno who really needs an army builder app for 40k now that it's just "big number power level" and take whatever you want. ESPECIALLY not as a paid proposition.

I would be a lot keener on renewing if they told me they were doing something, anything to make the content in the Vault remotely readable.

For the love of god just get someone to make a half decent iPad for it. It's only a document reader, it's not even that hard.

I just cancelled. If the model is just so cool, maybe I'll change my mind, but I doubt it.

Billicus wrote:
Dunno who really needs an army builder app for 40k now that it's just "big number power level" and take whatever you want. ESPECIALLY not as a paid proposition.

If I'm opening the app anyway to get the points because it's more accessible and handy than a dead tree in either format, may as well just click a few more times to have the list done and stats accessible on that same device.

 The Phazer wrote:
I would be a lot keener on renewing if they told me they were doing something, anything to make the content in the Vault remotely readable.

For the love of god just get someone to make a half decent iPad for it. It's only a document reader, it's not even that hard.

The Vault has so much potential. The White Dwarf back catalogue, the 4:th edition fantasy armybooks, Warhammer Quest, Citadel Journal, the old Rogue Trader Ork books, Man O'War, Inquisitor, Fanatic, Town Cryer etc etc...

Make it readable and searchable and don't cut any rules out. I would pay twice the current price for just the vault, if they made it useful.

I’d settle for some proper “left to right” formatting.

When it’s top to bottom scrolling, my muscle memory doesn’t work.

I personally can live without the rules, but to each their own, and I’d be far from upset if they were included

I might remember it wrong, but afaik GW started WH+ 2021 in August with the offer that if you sign up for a year in that month, you would get some extra goodies. But Season 2 started late September and we only knew the models from preview, many people had already paid their second annual membership before it was clear who would get which mini, or for how long you'd needed to be signed up to be considered for the second miniature. I think if you ordered in September for the first time, there was a moment where you could still get the season 1 mini for free and still ended up with the season 2 mini as well.

So I wouldn't be surprised if they again delay and season 3 starts in October. Also as many have mentioned, we have never heard again of the knights not the pariah nexus shows, let alone Astartes 2. And the vault content hasn't been updated much anymore for months now. Seems like it's time for a hiatus of subscriptions. Only a loss of money will change GWs stance on how much they should invest in the service. But at least the Battle reports are fun to watch.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
I might remember it wrong, but afaik GW started WH+ 2021 in August with the offer that if you sign up for a year in that month, you would get some extra goodies. But Season 2 started late September and we only knew the models from preview, many people had already paid their second annual membership before it was clear who would get which mini, or for how long you'd needed to be signed up to be considered for the second miniature. I think if you ordered in September for the first time, there was a moment where you could still get the season 1 mini for free and still ended up with the season 2 mini as well.

So I wouldn't be surprised if they again delay and season 3 starts in October. Also as many have mentioned, we have never heard again of the knights not the pariah nexus shows, let alone Astartes 2. And the vault content hasn't been updated much anymore for months now. Seems like it's time for a hiatus of subscriptions. Only a loss of money will change GWs stance on how much they should invest in the service. But at least the Battle reports are fun to watch.

I'm not sure where you got this info from.

I subscribed right at the start of year 1 with an annual sub. 25th August by my W+ account info.
In the first year, I got the free model (and extra I paid for) about a month later.
GW told us what the 2nd year models would be before that end of August resub date. I auto subscribed and got my free model (and paid for the extra) in mid September.
This time, GW have 10 days now to tell me what the new model choices will be before I cancel.

I almost stayed on for year two- the Chaos Termie was ALMOST enough to keep me.

Having been away for a whole year, there's probably some stuff I haven't seen yet, and of course, I'd re-watch all the year one stuff too.

I want them to preview the y3 models and give me an excuse... But I'll only do it if the model is good.

I wish they'd tell us what the next two minis are.

The Khorne Terminator was great.

Last year they revealed the minis in the third week of August so I'm expecting an announcement later today.

I'm struggling a bit really to think of what this year's models will be - something appealing but presumably non-essential.

The Chaos Terminator seemed to go down very well so I can see more stuff based on 2nd ed or Rogue Trader era classic artwork. Maybe the Eldar Exarch from the 2nd ed cover? A bit more left field but Inquisitor Tyrus? Been a few Inquisitor references recently.

AoS has had Destruction and Chaos so hopefully the next is either Death or Order. 40K has had Imperial and Chaos so there's ample room for them to move into Xenos

Just got an email with a dead link to a preview of the upcoming season and a tease of the new minis.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/16/knights-necrons-and-more-in-new-animations-coming-up-on-warhammer/

But hey, Knights are finally on the way! Pariah Nexus as well then.

Link works now!

Preview greys of the two new models. It looks like a Guardsman for 40K and for AoS something elfy or vampiry. One arm looks like it might be holding a bell?

My first thought was "Dark elf" but Vampire might fit better

edit - oh wait it could be a chalice instead of a bell! Just being held out at the wrong angle after taking a drink

Ded no more!




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Guardsman is that art piece of what I think is a Storm Trooper? Maybe Kasrkin.

AoS is screaming Vampire to me.


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This ‘un

This one MDG?

Yeah, that ‘un!


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Think I want the AoS one as my freebie.

So it's an interesting looking Vampire or a not interesting looking Kasrkin.

Neither of those scream must subscribe tbh. I might well cancel unless they are going to improve the Vault.

Man, and here I am thinking about a second subscription just to get two of the Kopinski Kasrkins!

Oh!

Pending the details of what I think is definitely a Dracula (1992) inspired Vampire Lord, and that great "at-ease" Stormtrooper, I will likely stay on with WH+.
Pariah Nexus would be a great release. Hopefully the delay results in better quality animation & voice acting.

I can see it being a vampire, but the curves to the blade and the AoS setting could also mean it's a Daughter of Khaine who also use the chalice imagery quite heavily.

 Krinsath wrote:
I can see it being a vampire, but the curves to the blade and the AoS setting could also mean it's a Daughter of Khaine who also use the chalice imagery quite heavily.

Far too many clothes for a Daughter of Khaine

 Overread wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
I can see it being a vampire, but the curves to the blade and the AoS setting could also mean it's a Daughter of Khaine who also use the chalice imagery quite heavily.

Far too many clothes for a Daughter of Khaine

If one goes back to the OG cauldron of blood, it's actually possible that it's an update of the leader of that (as shown in this random Google image result):

The Kasrkin model based on the classic Karl Kopinski art is ace, easy choice to make what mini to get this year for sure. 😍

Boney cross guard and seemingly ribcagey bits up the blade strongly suggest Undead to me, and such finery I associate with Vampires.

I'm not convinced that's absolutely "bone" versus a crossguard that simply has a split mostly due to the fact that the side away the wielder is notably larger that the part sticking more straight-out. If that's not a bone, then it does call into question what's on the sword but going to "ribs" becomes more of a stretch.

It absolutely could be a vampire, but given how they like to nostalgia-bait I can also it being a re-imagining of that older model.

It could be "shadowflame" or soulstuff on the blade? Sword is a match for the Blood Knights otherwise

Isabella von Carstein, Mortarch of Love.

How often do we see downward facing chalices? The shape is right, but not the angle. What else could it be?

That seems like a bat winged helmet and a chalice to me. If that's not a vampire, GW managed to be extra tricksy with the silhouette.

 Overread wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
I can see it being a vampire, but the curves to the blade and the AoS setting could also mean it's a Daughter of Khaine who also use the chalice imagery quite heavily.

Far too many clothes for a Daughter of Khaine

That's what I've been saying about all Witch Elves that came out for AoS, but GW is firmly in its Victorian period at the moment. Disgusting, I know, but what are you gonna do?

 Nevelon wrote:
How often do we see downward facing chalices? The shape is right, but not the angle. What else could it be?

A bell?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
How often do we see downward facing chalices? The shape is right, but not the angle. What else could it be?

A bell?

So its clearly a Great Unclean One on a diet

Tiny Hygienic Singular?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
How often do we see downward facing chalices? The shape is right, but not the angle. What else could it be?

A bell?

My first thought was a bell. But nothing else in the model really fits our standard bell-armed enemies right now. A chalice fits far better


Of course it could be something else entirely and the angle is sending us on a massive red-herring hunt

Just so long as nobody expects me to cut a tree down.

A chalice facing downwards could always be interpreted as a pouring motion.

Call me crazy but could it be an eastern style signal flag/fan?

It looks like an eldar-ish sword with fire one it, could be high elf? I could see a high elf using a signal flag.

Bringing pic over for ease of visual reference.




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It definitely seem to be a chalice, as it looks too 3D to be flat.

Sorry I’m not wording good.

Plunger. The sinks blocked.

Vampire Plumber?

Good way for a vampire to be invited into your home I suppose.

Wait…why is slap bass playing?

Also, apologies if the shared pic is mahoosive. Dunno if it’s my iPad or Dakka sorting it for me, but initial load has it really big.

Oooer.

Three goblins in a threnchcoat

Yes, clearly GW have made a vampire plumber.


(any news yet on Vampires in Blood Bowl? It still seems like BB fans consider every teaser in light that it might be Blood Bowl Vampires)

I want a Vamplumber now and will be disappointed and angry with GW no matter what the model ends up being.

Maybe it's Lady Malys with her power sword & fan /s

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Maybe it's Lady Malys with her power sword & fan /s

No chance because they do one for each of the Big 2.

I'd buy a vampire plumber.

Definitely looks like it's a blood knight inspired helmet.

Far be it from me to bemoan a cool vampire model, but how many are we at now?

*Radukar
*Radukar Ascended
*Ivya Volga
*Cado Ezechiar
*Belladamma Volga
*Lady Annika
*Kritza
*Generic Plastic Vampire Lord
*Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon
*Neferata
*Mannfred
*Lauka Vai
*Generic Vengorian lord

*Seven/eight from the Askurgan Trueblades
*Three on the Coven Throne
*Four from the Crimson Court (Underworlds)
*Five Blood Knights

PLUS the exclusive and now OOP Anasta Malkorion. And that's not counting the Ghoul Kings and Archregents, that are also types of vampires iirc

Yeah, I have a Soulblight army and even I don't need another Vampire model. I'd actually love a Wight/Necromancer-focused faction.

I wonder what scale the Karskin will be at. The Killteam models were pretty large compared to the rest of the imperial guard models

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Yeah, I have a Soulblight army and even I don't need another Vampire model. I'd actually love a Wight/Necromancer-focused faction.

I need a Blood Knight styled one! Would have preferred a shield instead of the goblet, but c'est la vie.


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 GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder what scale the Karskin will be at. The Killteam models were pretty large compared to the rest of the imperial guard models

Not compared to the recent Cadians and Krieg.

I like that Kasrkin art and I'm not against a Miniature of it, but I feel like it's a bit underwhelming for an idea? To me it's not a particularly nostalgic piece of art, or a unique design, or something that particularly seems overly worthwhile to focus on for a special edition.

Something more like a miniature based on a proper iconic John Blanche piece or a really classic beloved piece of artwork would have been so much better I think. It's a fairly typical Kasrkin in a slightly different pose than usual.

I mean, it's iconic enough for most of us to recognize by silhouette, soooo...

With AoS GW has latched heavily onto providing more leader models because they can do it in a one model drop and the leader has impact on the game in itself.

I think it has produced a game that has a strange setup where a good few armies have as many leaders if not more leaders in terms of variety than they have actual troop choices.

You see this a bit with 40K, but because almost all the armies are already pretty big to start with it doesn't feel as bad. You can see it a bit more with Genestealer Cults, but even they are pretty varied now and that's before you add in IG and Tyranid allies.


AoS feels it a lot more because many armies were cut down a LOT and some are new and still small. Fyreslayers are bonkers in that they've basically 2 or 3 model choices outside of leader and everything else is a leader model.



I get why GW do it and heck I like the soulblight leader models; and Soulblight was bloated on leaders because of its ties to Cursed City. But yeah it can feel strange when you want to see new troops and infantry and such and keep gettting the leader card

 Platuan4th wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Maybe it's Lady Malys with her power sword & fan /s

No chance because they do one for each of the Big 2.

Oh, I know. My sarcasm tag wasn't large enough on my original comment

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 GaroRobe wrote:
I wonder what scale the Karskin will be at. The Killteam models were pretty large compared to the rest of the imperial guard models

Not compared to the recent Cadians and Krieg.

It looks like they're a head or so taller

Kasrkin get something extra in their food and boosters.

Man, now I realize how much we need some new Vostroyan releases.

 Platuan4th wrote:
I mean, it's iconic enough for most of us to recognize by silhouette, soooo...

No doubt. At the time the picture was an interesting deviation from artwork we got before it. That kind of thing sticks. My issue with it is that it's part of a series that shows the Average Joes of their respective armies. If you put him in the regular Kasrkin squad, he doesn't have much to single him out. He's not quite Necron Warrior level of identical, but the point is that he's nothing special. Selecting him or any other art from that series for a special miniature is kind of ironic.

For myself, my hope rests on the Vamplumber. I don't think I want to buy a Kasrkin for the price of ten. So I hope the AoS model ends up looking good and worth resubscribing for.

Does anyone know if there's a way to switch from a yearly to monthly subscription?

Last year I switched from monthly to yearly, but rather than just changing over when the next month's renewal time came they instead refunded the remainder of the last month and started the yearly sub immediately, so I sort of got out of sync with the model releases (still waiting for access to the year 2 mini despite being a yearly subscriber) and I'd like to try and get my sub back in sync with the mini release.

Don't want to cancel the yearly renewal and restart a monthly sub as I worry that might stop me getting the year 2 mini, but hoping to go monthly for one month and get back in sync with the mini release.

Tavis75 wrote:
Does anyone know if there's a way to switch from a yearly to monthly subscription?

Last year I switched from monthly to yearly, but rather than just changing over when the next month's renewal time came they instead refunded the remainder of the last month and started the yearly sub immediately, so I sort of got out of sync with the model releases (still waiting for access to the year 2 mini despite being a yearly subscriber) and I'd like to try and get my sub back in sync with the mini release.

Don't want to cancel the yearly renewal and restart a monthly sub as I worry that might stop me getting the year 2 mini, but hoping to go monthly for one month and get back in sync with the mini release.

That's a tricky one as the mini was originally at the end of the year subscription and the 2nd years was at the beginning. Plus there's no assurances the mini will be at the same time every year, so moving it a month isn't a fool proof method. Anyone who was a n annual subscriber at year 2 mini launch got it by default I think? I'd raise it with customer support they might be able to sort this year for you, then you can cancel for a month and start again.

Tavis75 wrote:
Does anyone know if there's a way to switch from a yearly to monthly subscription?

Last year I switched from monthly to yearly, but rather than just changing over when the next month's renewal time came they instead refunded the remainder of the last month and started the yearly sub immediately, so I sort of got out of sync with the model releases (still waiting for access to the year 2 mini despite being a yearly subscriber) and I'd like to try and get my sub back in sync with the mini release.

Don't want to cancel the yearly renewal and restart a monthly sub as I worry that might stop me getting the year 2 mini, but hoping to go monthly for one month and get back in sync with the mini release.

That's weird. If you did a yearly sub in year two, you should have got your model after a month. Definitely worth contacting customer support.

Chikout wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
Does anyone know if there's a way to switch from a yearly to monthly subscription?

Last year I switched from monthly to yearly, but rather than just changing over when the next month's renewal time came they instead refunded the remainder of the last month and started the yearly sub immediately, so I sort of got out of sync with the model releases (still waiting for access to the year 2 mini despite being a yearly subscriber) and I'd like to try and get my sub back in sync with the mini release.

Don't want to cancel the yearly renewal and restart a monthly sub as I worry that might stop me getting the year 2 mini, but hoping to go monthly for one month and get back in sync with the mini release.

That's weird. If you did a yearly sub in year two, you should have got your model after a month. Definitely worth contacting customer support.

I think because of the way it was done, cancelling and refunding the monthly sub and backdating the yearly sub to start from when the monthly sub last renewed, rather than just starting the yearly sub from when the monthly one would have expired, it meant that my yearly sub actually started right near the end of year one, rather than in year two. So it's due to renew on about the 28th of August, just a few days before I become eligible for the year two model, so I think unless I let it renew I will miss out on the year two model and then I guess this will keep happening each year. Guess I will just have to contact customer service, unless I can cancel the yearly sub straight after I get the mini and hopefully then get a refund for the remaining part of the year, then sign up again for a new yearly sub.

 Geifer wrote:
If you put him in the regular Kasrkin squad, he doesn't have much to single him out. He's not quite Necron Warrior level of identical, but the point is that he's nothing special. Selecting him or any other art from that series for a special miniature is kind of ironic.

You could say that about any of the dozen other alternate unit leader Limited Editions, too.

It’s too early to say if he is vanilla or not too. Though the artwork will likely be a pretty good approximation.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
If you put him in the regular Kasrkin squad, he doesn't have much to single him out. He's not quite Necron Warrior level of identical, but the point is that he's nothing special. Selecting him or any other art from that series for a special miniature is kind of ironic.

You could say that about any of the dozen other alternate unit leader Limited Editions, too.

Sure. But there's no need to be so binary about it. It's more like a sliding scale, and the artwork of the Kasrkin, to account for GaroRobe's point, is way towards the wrong end of it for my taste.

 GaroRobe wrote:
It’s too early to say if he is vanilla or not too. Though the artwork will likely be a pretty good approximation.

I suppose there might be the odd surprise. The silhouette shows that the sculptor took liberties with the pose.

Well, 4 days till my annual renewal sends GW money... Still not a real picture of the miniatures, just vague silhouettes.
How long do I dare leave it till cancelling. I'm not paying for a pig in a poke.

I have read that the studio doing the exodite are shutting down?
Does anyone have any news on that?

I haven’t seen any actual confirmation yet, so it was curious.
Doesn’t seem to be related to GW, but the studio itself.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, 4 days till my annual renewal sends GW money... Still not a real picture of the miniatures, just vague silhouettes.
How long do I dare leave it till cancelling. I'm not paying for a pig in a poke.

We got the silhouettes on Wednesday last week. I could see the knuckleheads at GW figuring this Wednesday might be good timing for showing off the actual miniatures.

No idea if that's how it's going to go if so, how it may interfere with renewals/cancellations, but leaving day one subscribers with less than 48 hours to make their decision seems like a realistic thing to expect of GW.

They normally show off new models as the last article each Monday, so perhaps later today.

 xttz wrote:
They normally show off new models as the last article each Monday, so perhaps later today.

We already got a new Ork and a new Blood bowl mini today so i wouldn't expect more. It will be Wednesday as that is the Warhammer+ day

Apple fox wrote:
I have read that the studio doing the exodite are shutting down?
Does anyone have any news on that?

I haven’t seen any actual confirmation yet, so it was curious.
Doesn’t seem to be related to GW, but the studio itself.

I've seen several posts from what look to be successful 3d printing patreons (including those not concentrating on GW inspired stuff) so i wouldn't be surprised if the money just isn't good enough any more. A lot seem to have begun as on man operations, but i suspect the need for more and more content means they end up taking on other sculptors as staff and suddenly they've got salaries/benefits etc to pay


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Apple fox wrote:
I have read that the studio doing the exodite are shutting down?
Does anyone have any news on that?

I haven’t seen any actual confirmation yet, so it was curious.
Doesn’t seem to be related to GW, but the studio itself.

I've seen several posts from what look to be successful 3d printing patreons (including those not concentrating on GW inspired stuff) so i wouldn't be surprised if the money just isn't good enough any more. A lot seem to have begun as on man operations, but i suspect the need for more and more content means they end up taking on other sculptors as staff and suddenly they've got salaries/benefits etc to pay

edit: but i haven't heard specifically about a studio specialising in those closing, do you have a name/link?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
I have read that the studio doing the exodite are shutting down?
Does anyone have any news on that?

I haven’t seen any actual confirmation yet, so it was curious.
Doesn’t seem to be related to GW, but the studio itself.

I've seen several posts from what look to be successful 3d printing patreons (including those not concentrating on GW inspired stuff) so i wouldn't be surprised if the money just isn't good enough any more. A lot seem to have begun as on man operations, but i suspect the need for more and more content means they end up taking on other sculptors as staff and suddenly they've got salaries/benefits etc to pay


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Apple fox wrote:
I have read that the studio doing the exodite are shutting down?
Does anyone have any news on that?

I haven’t seen any actual confirmation yet, so it was curious.
Doesn’t seem to be related to GW, but the studio itself.

I've seen several posts from what look to be successful 3d printing patreons (including those not concentrating on GW inspired stuff) so i wouldn't be surprised if the money just isn't good enough any more. A lot seem to have begun as on man operations, but i suspect the need for more and more content means they end up taking on other sculptors as staff and suddenly they've got salaries/benefits etc to pay

edit: but i haven't heard specifically about a studio specialising in those closing, do you have a name/link?

Was just several posts I see all today that got me curious after I had seen a few, but I can’t Remember where I read the first post which had the details now since I didn’t think as much about it at the time. Thought maybe would pop up here if was true.

Since it’s the show that seems to have stalled as well.


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It’s lost legion studios I think. Post was made on the Warhammer 40K reddit.

3 weeks 'til pariah nexus

So we've got Kasrkin Sarge Mortens and Karlina Von Carstein :

https://i.goopics.net/jhetn9.png

We've got img tags!

Old-Four-Arms wrote:
So we've got Kasrkin Sarge Mortens and Karlina Von Carstein :

https://i.goopics.net/jhetn9.png

Not a fan of the Vampires head but looks easy to swap, will probably renew but content wise it hasn't been worth it, it's the mini and the voucher (are we still getting that?) that just about make it worthwhile.

Don't care for the skin colour of the vamps face, but otherwise a nice looking piece.

Interesting it’s a Von Carstein. We’ve not heard much of that bloodline in AOS. Unless I’ve not been reading the right books.

She looks like a Necromorph from the Riddick movie. I rather like her.

 xttz wrote:


We've got img tags!

The Sergeant looks as good as I hoped!

They both look fine I think, vampire the face paint just looks off, and the helm is a bit meh.
Wonder if with a head swap she would make an interesting sister of silence.

Also, I just got mail my mini from year one is up for order. And says I can order one in my account, but year two still locked and I have my year 1 mini.
I am confused now I been signed up since very beginning.

I am fairly whelmed by these and I feel they both just miss the mark.

The vampire is sort of in that "oh, another one" category where it's not a character that has much relevance to me in my understanding of the setting and is fairly similar to the numerous other vampires they've made recently.

The sarge is a nice homage to the artwork, but it's a bit bland beyond that, the base needed more... something. You can put him in a unit and he'd blend in almost too well to the point it could be a sarge kitbashed from the box.

Well, that's nothing to write home about. Now I actually have to think about whether I want to keep my subscription.

Again easy pick for aos. Especially as i can use her in gamn.

YouTube vid still doesn’t show much more




20% off merchandise but not seeing a voucher this time

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/25/new-warhammer-miniatures-subscribe-to-take-your-pick-from-two-exclusive-models/

The vampire is a pretty cool model, but am I the only one that’s a little annoyed that these have gone from fairly large models/a small group of models to normal 28mm character models in the space of like 2 years? I know models like these would still sell for like half the subscription cost but compared to the big scenic base on the vindicare from the first round and the sorcerer and familiars from last year they just feel (well, because they are) more insubstantial.

Vampire has an alternative, unhelmeted bonce. Not that they’ve shown us it.

The vampire is awesome, but something seems off with her. Like the body is fine, but the helmet and shoulder pad doesn't feel very soulblight or Age of Sigmar-y to me. I think it's because it's so different from every other vampire model.

About the vampire:

GW wrote:This miniature has a choice of two heads – one helmet with a bat-wing motif, the other with an exaggerated aristocratic hairstyle befitting an immortal terror of the Mortal Realms – you don’t reach a few thousand years old without picking up some eccentric ideas about fashion.

Could have shown it off, but at least the extra head exists. I don't like the Tyranid Warrior cosplay helmet.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The vampire is a pretty cool model, but am I the only one that’s a little annoyed that these have gone from fairly large models/a small group of models to normal 28mm character models in the space of like 2 years? I know models like these would still sell for like half the subscription cost but compared to the big scenic base on the vindicare from the first round and the sorcerer and familiars from last year they just feel (well, because they are) more insubstantial.

Quite. Doesn't surprise me either. GW looks to be in a "less value for more money" phase of late, comparatively speaking.

It seems the coupon is gone. Instead we got a 20% discount on the merchandise store. That's a bad exchange. The coupon was much better. I couldn't care less for the merchandise.

I don’t mind the more standard size, since easy to use where I want it.

I wonder if all the feedback on the assassin was, cool mini, basically useless.

But why even tease the alt head, just show. So annoying.

I’d have to see the alt head for the vampire. Despite technically having a vampire army, I’m leaning for the karskin.

Was the annual sub always 12 months for the price of 9? I vaguely recall it being 2 months free. If so that at least partially makes up for the loss of the voucher. 20% off crap I don’t want is nowhere near the same as free cash towards stuff I was going to buy anyway.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The vampire is a pretty cool model, but am I the only one that’s a little annoyed that these have gone from fairly large models/a small group of models to normal 28mm character models in the space of like 2 years? I know models like these would still sell for like half the subscription cost but compared to the big scenic base on the vindicare from the first round and the sorcerer and familiars from last year they just feel (well, because they are) more insubstantial.

Sorcerer was nice but vindicare isn"t usable on gaming board so not missing that.

At least i'm not buying models just to sit on shelf.

I seem to remember there was mention earlier that GW increased the monthly price while keeping the annual one the same. But yes, previously it was two months free over subscribing monthly.

 Nevelon wrote:
I’d have to see the alt head for the vampire. Despite technically having a vampire army, I’m leaning for the karskin.

Was the annual sub always 12 months for the price of 9? I vaguely recall it being 2 months free. If so that at least partially makes up for the loss of the voucher. 20% off crap I don’t want is nowhere near the same as free cash towards stuff I was going to buy anyway.

Think it's due to monthly going up while yearly stays same.

 Nevelon wrote:
I’d have to see the alt head for the vampire. Despite technically having a vampire army, I’m leaning for the karskin.

Was the annual sub always 12 months for the price of 9? I vaguely recall it being 2 months free. If so that at least partially makes up for the loss of the voucher. 20% off crap I don’t want is nowhere near the same as free cash towards stuff I was going to buy anyway.

They bumped up the price of the monthly sub but left the annual the same so yes you now get 12 months for the cost of 9 but only because of the price change. The annual sub is less value without the voucher 20% off merch is probably not much use to most.

Tonhel wrote:
It seems the coupon is gone. Instead we got a 20% discount on the merchandise store. That's a bad exchange. The coupon was much better. I couldn't care less for the merchandise.

The only thing they ever made that wasn't just a drop shipped plastering of a more of less public image onto some generic product was the Nurgling plush (The giant ones that showed up as decoration in a few stores, particularly in Japan would have been a good seller too) and even that almost immediately got a recall order. GW seem gunshy now on doing something like that again. You can't even buy the JoyToy or MacFarlane stuff through that store.

Having said that, I don't blame GW for not having anything worth buying on their merch store. What will really be the final nail in the coffin of GW is when they grow too big as an organisation, (If we haven't reached that point already) having their merch store being a lightly-manned drop shipping enterprise is probably for the best. I do blame them for thinking it's a value proposition (Particularly for those who haven't subbed to WH+) to give a 20% discount for stuff that nobody really wants.

The W+ price has never been worth it if you just wanted one part of it. The fact they it collected a half dozen things under one umbrella at a more-or-less reasonable price made it worth it. Chipping away at those parts diminishes the whole package.

Even dropping the voucher I’m still in. But not as easy a call as it was in prior years.

Models are up on webstore. Here is her alt head.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/warhammer-plus-karlina-von-carstein-year3-2023



And from the looks of the sprue, the Kasrkin has arms with a normal flat connection, can be swapped or posed up and down like normal.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/warhammer-plus-astra-militarum-unbroken-year3-2023

Oh, so the helmet wings are hollow. Now the shape of it makes sense.

But that face. She looks like she just saw herself in the mirror.

NightReconnaissance wrote:
Models are up on webstore. Here is her alt head.

Spoiler:

I wasn't a fan of the helmet and was hoping for an alt head.

I now regret that hope.

The leader of the crimson court was the peak of vampire design, this feels weak in comparison. Not a huge fan of the karskin either, seems too similar to the old metal sergeant, which I already have. I bet you could make a cool Jarren Kell mini from it though

Not a fan of the alt head.

While I don’t play guard, if I ever decide to pit together an Inq/RT retinue a vet with a hotshot will slot in nicely.

Love the vampire myself. Alt head have the same vibe as Kritza, which I really like!

Was never subbed to WH+, and this would still not sway me over for the price they charge, not that I could now anyway with it banned in Canada

James12345 wrote:
The leader of the crimson court was the peak of vampire design, this feels weak in comparison. Not a huge fan of the karskin either, seems too similar to the old metal sergeant, which I already have. I bet you could make a cool Jarren Kell mini from it though

It's a shame the model is a one per WH+ yearly customer for 23/24 because if it was normally available like other collector models it'd be excellent conversion fodder with his arms being normal Kasrkin arms and not having the shoulders or parts of the arms molded into the body.

I wonder how many of these models were originally envisioned to be normally available before being sent to WH+. GW certainly does occasionally hang on to finished model designs for years before releasing them.

 DaveC wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
I’d have to see the alt head for the vampire. Despite technically having a vampire army, I’m leaning for the karskin.

Was the annual sub always 12 months for the price of 9? I vaguely recall it being 2 months free. If so that at least partially makes up for the loss of the voucher. 20% off crap I don’t want is nowhere near the same as free cash towards stuff I was going to buy anyway.

They bumped up the price of the monthly sub but left the annual the same so yes you now get 12 months for the cost of 9 but only because of the price change. The annual sub is less value without the voucher 20% off merch is probably not much use to most.

I didnt realise the price increase was only for us monthly subbers, that is a piss take and i will not be continuing my sub after Sept 9th when im eligible for my "free" year 2 mini. I was only subbing for the animation, but thats been pretty non existent since launching as a streaming service 2 years ago!

Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

Oh my god. Her big hairdo is styled so it fits perfectly into her helmet.

Disappointed with the unhelmeted head. We already have a dozen vampire heads with "hair that defies gravity", from the Crimson Court, the Blood Knights, and I think even the Warcry has a few heads like that. I was hoping it would be more like what the Coven Throne ladies have. Oh well, the helmets still cool

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

Pretty much my sentiments. The increasingly sparse animations (of varying quality) aren't enough of a selling point for me. I don't play either of the main games so the app access is redundant (I appreciate they'll undoubtedly have value for those that do engage actively with AoS & 40k). The Vault...exists, complete with terrible UI and no rules. The Voucher was a big selling point but that's gone (the 20% merch discount is basically a non-factor). The Battle Reports and Tutorials are things I can generally get better-produced versions of for free elsewhere. So it ultimately comes down to the miniatures and this pair are very missable for me.

Kasrkin is fine, but doesn't have that casual resting pose I liked about the original, he's moreso propped up on a... sigh, tactical rock, and observing rather than than a soldier at-ease resting on his sword. I'll definitely need to see it done in a shading-based style than a highlight-based style before I give a final verdict though.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
Kasrkin is fine, but doesn't have that casual resting pose I liked about the original, he's moreso propped up on a... sigh, tactical rock, and observing rather than than a soldier at-ease resting on his sword. I'll definitely need to see it done in a shading-based style than a highlight-based style before I give a final verdict though.

I also like the sword pose on the artwork more. Funny how in the article they even say "the miniature faithfully depicts details from a classic piece of Warhammer artwork, including the curved power sabre" but then its the biggest change

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

 Matrindur wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
Kasrkin is fine, but doesn't have that casual resting pose I liked about the original, he's moreso propped up on a... sigh, tactical rock, and observing rather than than a soldier at-ease resting on his sword. I'll definitely need to see it done in a shading-based style than a highlight-based style before I give a final verdict though.

I also like the sword pose on the artwork more. Funny how in the article they even say "the miniature faithfully depicts details from a classic piece of Warhammer artwork, including the curved power sabre" but then its the biggest change

I'm a big fan of Kopinski's art, but it would have looked too similar to the Commissar pose they dropped this year if they just 1:1'd it, I feel.

It says a lot about how iconic the art was that even with the changes? It still catches the feel of the art.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh my god. Her big hairdo is styled so it fits perfectly into her helmet.

Disappointed with the unhelmeted head. We already have a dozen vampire heads with "hair that defies gravity", from the Crimson Court, the Blood Knights, and I think even the Warcry has a few heads like that. I was hoping it would be more like what the Coven Throne ladies have. Oh well, the helmets still cool

I was hoping for a beehive like the vampire from the Coven Throne, too, before we got confirmation what her hair actually looks like.

GW would have been better off with a high society vampire in a super fancy dress instead of yet another armored vampire, in my opinion. Well, if they absolutely have to do another vampire to begin with. Not like we don't have a ton of them already.

Dudeface wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

It sure seems like this year GW does everything to tell people what they're actually buying as late as humanly possible.

GW would have been better off with a high society vampire in a super fancy dress instead of yet another armored vampire, in my opinion. Well, if they absolutely have to do another vampire to begin with. Not like we don't have a ton of them already.

This is definitely something people love and which is of interest to a wide audience in terms of kitbashes and conversions, particularly for 40k Inquisition and even chaos. But is there any evidence that GW doesn't also consider this "Old World" and thus forbidden for new miniatures. Similar to all the other factions losing big chunks of their visual identities to make them new distinct AoS factions. Even in the Mordheim-esque world of Cursed City they seemed to veer away from that particular aesthetic for their aristocratic vampires. Ruff collars and Marie Antoinette hair is out in plastic it seems. Still see glimpses of it in Forge World Necromunda releases though.

I've gone for the 40k model both years so far but this time I'm torn, they're both great. Might end up getting both

NightReconnaissance wrote:

GW would have been better off with a high society vampire in a super fancy dress instead of yet another armored vampire, in my opinion. Well, if they absolutely have to do another vampire to begin with. Not like we don't have a ton of them already.

This is definitely something people love and which is of interest to a wide audience in terms of kitbashes and conversions, particularly for 40k Inquisition and even chaos. But is there any evidence that GW doesn't also consider this "Old World" and thus forbidden for new miniatures. Similar to all the other factions losing big chunks of their visual identities to make them new distinct AoS factions. Even in the Mordheim-esque world of Cursed City they seemed to veer away from that particular aesthetic for their aristocratic vampires. Ruff collars and Marie Antoinette hair is out in plastic it seems. Still see glimpses of it in Forge World Necromunda releases though.

We'll have to see how much GW wants to keep AoS and Old World apart, but it sure would be easier if AoS wasn't deliberately built on the corpse of Warhammer Fantasy and everyone and their dog survived the literal end of the world.

This vampire is a von Carstein. I expect she's Mannfred's fault and would follow a similar visual design, so armored for war in bat armor as has been the von Carstein thing since their remake in, what was it, 7th ed Fantasy? As is, I guess she fits right in. That doesn't preclude GW from making a vampire scion of Neferata. That may not necessarily lead to a baroque or renaissance dress or whatever Empire fashion is based on, but instead something with a hint of an undead Egyptian theme. I'm sure you could do something fancy with it and it should definitely fit into AoS.

Plus, the AoS 2nd ed rulebook had artwork of people from different realms. GW already established some examples for what civilized society looks like and which they could build on. They'd just have to sit down and do something with that foundation. I'm sure they could come up with a look that fits the vibes of the Mortal Realms without treading on the toes of any Old World designs.

James12345 wrote:
The leader of the crimson court was the peak of vampire design, this feels weak in comparison. Not a huge fan of the karskin either, seems too similar to the old metal sergeant, which I already have. I bet you could make a cool Jarren Kell mini from it though

The Crimson Court is peak GW frustration.

Absolutely phenomial sculpts rendered useless by the insane scale creep. They are basically 8 ft tall.

Dudeface wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

If they wait despite already known not to be so their fault.

Gw can't do everything on assumption somebody can't read.

The vampire's heads are indeed awful. However, since she's wearing clearly very dark elf-y armour, she's going to need a headswap to fit into her ideal faction anyway!

Neither is very exciting to me, especially compared to Umbral Six or some of the recent anniversary miniatures.

 BertBert wrote:
Neither is very exciting to me, especially compared to Umbral Six or some of the recent anniversary miniatures.

Yeah, given it's the big forty this year, why no celebratory Harry the Hammer reimagined?

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

If they wait despite already known not to be so their fault.

Gw can't do everything on assumption somebody can't read.

They've not actually said how the new app, WH+, codexes and digital rules all fit together yet to be fair, unless you can link otherwise?

Grail Seeker wrote:

James12345 wrote:
The leader of the crimson court was the peak of vampire design, this feels weak in comparison. Not a huge fan of the karskin either, seems too similar to the old metal sergeant, which I already have. I bet you could make a cool Jarren Kell mini from it though

The Crimson Court is peak GW frustration.

Absolutely phenomial sculpts rendered useless by the insane scale creep. They are basically 8 ft tall.

Are you saying vampires can't be 8ft?

 Overread wrote:

Grail Seeker wrote:

James12345 wrote:
The leader of the crimson court was the peak of vampire design, this feels weak in comparison. Not a huge fan of the karskin either, seems too similar to the old metal sergeant, which I already have. I bet you could make a cool Jarren Kell mini from it though

The Crimson Court is peak GW frustration.

Absolutely phenomial sculpts rendered useless by the insane scale creep. They are basically 8 ft tall.

Are you saying vampires can't be 8ft?

I feel like its hard to blend into society when all your kind is a head and half taller than mere mortals.



(Note that this is the older skeleton, not the current ones)

Yeah but AoS has both kinds - Vampires in hiding and Vampires 100% out in pride striding and drinking their way across the mortal realms .

If the Kasrkin had rules to use it as a character, I'd be interested. GW seems reluctant to give event-exclusive models rules lately.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
If the Kasrkin had rules to use it as a character, I'd be interested. GW seems reluctant to give event-exclusive models rules lately.

I mean, is it really that surprising?

Some of the most common feedback you can see with these models is "why can't we get a generic version". I make that feedback myself!

Whilst neither are as “must have” for me as the Assassin and Terminator? They’re both more “i defo want that for my collection” than the preceding AoS offerings.

So defo getting both, just not prioritising one over the other.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
If the Kasrkin had rules to use it as a character, I'd be interested. GW seems reluctant to give event-exclusive models rules lately.

Makes sense - if the rules are good to ok then people complain about unfair game advantage for a model they can't buy.
If the rules are trash people still complain because they still can't freely buy it.

That's why they work as named characters in name only; then just put them in as a regular trooper or leader model if you want to game with them.

Well, gave it a shot for a year (and I did like the chaos sorceress), but the return on the subscription is rather poor.

Not sticking around for a few tidbits tossed into a void, even by subscription entertainment standards.

Kanluwen wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
If the Kasrkin had rules to use it as a character, I'd be interested. GW seems reluctant to give event-exclusive models rules lately.

I mean, is it really that surprising?

Some of the most common feedback you can see with these models is "why can't we get a generic version". I make that feedback myself!

I get you and Overread's points, and those are definitely valid. A generic Kasrkin Lieutenant would be great. But from the view of someone who already has a substantial Guard collection, this model is just a fancy Kasrkin Sergeant.

I'm in a similar boat...just looking at Mortens there as a nice diorama piece for next year!

Although I 100% believe that there should be a Kasrkin HQ choice...alongside of a DKoK Grenadier, and a Catachan Devil with units to boot.

I've been waiting for a Catachan Devil ever since GW soft-teased it "might" be some kind of super ancient Tyranid scout organism that went feral after being left without the Hive Mind for so long. Darn it I want a feral Tyranid to return to the Swarm

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Yeah, given it's the big forty this year, why no celebratory Harry the Hammer reimagined?

They probably want to sell that to everyone.

Kasrkin sergeant is ok. Not worth paying for a subscription given what a dumpster fire the list builder app is but maybe I'll pick one up on ebay at some point.

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

If they wait despite already known not to be so their fault.

Gw can't do everything on assumption somebody can't read.

They've not actually said how the new app, WH+, codexes and digital rules all fit together yet to be fair, unless you can link otherwise?

They listed ways how you get your codex access.

But yeah. Gw says "here　how you get your codex rules".

Player then goes "surely there's another way they didn't mention!".

Ah well. I have never had high hopes for　humans logic anyway.

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

If they wait despite already known not to be so their fault.

Gw can't do everything on assumption somebody can't read.

They've not actually said how the new app, WH+, codexes and digital rules all fit together yet to be fair, unless you can link otherwise?

They listed ways how you get your codex access.

But yeah. Gw says "here　how you get your codex rules".

Player then goes "surely there's another way they didn't mention!".

Ah well. I have never had high hopes for　humans logic anyway.

Where have they confirmed the methods of obtaining them? They mentioned them in the stream with the road map they would come physically, digitally or via the app. That's it AFAIK.

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

If they wait despite already known not to be so their fault.

Gw can't do everything on assumption somebody can't read.

They've not actually said how the new app, WH+, codexes and digital rules all fit together yet to be fair, unless you can link otherwise?

They listed ways how you get your codex access.

But yeah. Gw says "here　how you get your codex rules".

Player then goes "surely there's another way they didn't mention!".

Ah well. I have never had high hopes for　humans logic anyway.

Where have they confirmed the methods of obtaining them? They mentioned them in the stream with the road map they would come physically, digitally or via the app. That's it AFAIK.

They specifically said physically via cards or codex and digitally via app. It was not "digitally or via app" it was just exclusively app for digital.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Where have they confirmed the methods of obtaining them? They mentioned them in the stream with the road map they would come physically, digitally or via the app. That's it AFAIK.

They specifically said physically via cards or codex and digitally via app. It was not "digitally or via app" it was just exclusively app for digital.

That's not something they've written plainly anywhere though iirc is it? Nor have they explained how the books/app/wh+ may or may not overlap.

It's worth asking asmuch as it is almost a dead certain no, but they've never had in-app purchases for rules before, but if the army builder is in the sub then rules releases may be?

After a scam back through community posts I can only find reference to redeeming codes out of the book.

Not everything is in writing. They stated it on their stream.

Well, that’s my subscription gone through again.

Think I’ll get the Vamp for free, and pay for the Kasrkin


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That’s that sorted. Also been able to order last year’s AoS model too.

Dudeface wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Where have they confirmed the methods of obtaining them? They mentioned them in the stream with the road map they would come physically, digitally or via the app. That's it AFAIK.

They specifically said physically via cards or codex and digitally via app. It was not "digitally or via app" it was just exclusively app for digital.

That's not something they've written plainly anywhere though iirc is it? Nor have they explained how the books/app/wh+ may or may not overlap.

It's worth asking asmuch as it is almost a dead certain no, but they've never had in-app purchases for rules before, but if the army builder is in the sub then rules releases may be?

After a scam back through community posts I can only find reference to redeeming codes out of the book.

Aos 2nd ed you could buy ebook via app.

So rules in sub by allowing to pay more for codex?

Every codex via sub isn't happening.

Got my annual charge processed for new year subscription.

Gonna opt for the Vamp and pay for the Kasrkin with the hope that I can swap with someone for another Vampire or just sell the Kasrkin down the line.

which reminds me that I still have a termi and an assassin to sell!

HBMC may be in the market for the Terminator?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
HBMC may be in the market for the Terminator?

US only. Shipping cost to Aus would be silly.

So as the first round of models have gone off-sale I've got 1 year for GW to start a Slaanesh 40K army to tempt me to want an exclusive Terminator

Otherwise I've got my AoS Sorcerer in the bag and in the post now. If it weren't for both car repairs and Tyranids I'd have likely gone to make a saving on the costs (as monthly went up) and gone for an annual

Got my rebill as well, looking forward to getting my Kasrkin later this year and hopefully, that the promise of it being the biggest year yet comes true.

Decided to watch all of Angels of Death today, I stopped halfway through back then due to the jank of some of it, but it was an okay watch, could've done without the excessive camera shake and the sound effects were very disappointing sometimes, you'd think that GW, with access to a whole library of game audio, which they use, would give bolters and heavy bolters a more appropriate sound when firing.

 BrookM wrote:
Got my rebill as well, looking forward to getting my Kasrkin later this year and hopefully, that the promise of it being the biggest year yet comes true.

Decided to watch all of Angels of Death today, I stopped halfway through back then due to the jank of some of it, but it was an okay watch, could've done without the excessive camera shake and the sound effects were very disappointing sometimes, you'd think that GW, with access to a whole library of game audio, which they use, would give bolters and heavy bolters a more appropriate sound when firing.

I suspect that a lot of the audio is likely held by different studios under their own contracts or its generic use and held under licences for specific use. So I doubt GW has a huge library of media assets to share around between different creators.

It might be something they could work toward building with this new system, however the private firms might not want to hand over their assets to GW like that. It's one thing to have GW oversee storyboarding and lore and production styles and such; but its quite another to basically hand over the tools of their trade for generic use by competing firms.

Pariah nexus was amazing

shadowsfm wrote:
Pariah nexus was amazing

The title cards were very annoying and distracting, but other than that yeah, it was pretty good!

 Shakalooloo wrote:

shadowsfm wrote:
Pariah nexus was amazing

The title cards were very annoying and distracting, but other than that yeah, it was pretty good!

Yeah, they seemed like they were there to pad runtime.

shadowsfm wrote:
Pariah nexus was amazing

Agreed! Very much looking forward to more!

I going to watch tomorrow, but seems it’s getting a little positive buzz around it from the few places discussing it I seen.
That’s positive for the service.

Apple fox wrote:
I going to watch tomorrow, but seems it’s getting a little positive buzz around it from the few places discussing it I seen.
That’s positive for the service.

It had actual characters having actual discussions! And also a boltgun blowing people up.

My only criticism was that they quickly move to the next scene, instead of lingering a few seconds, giving it a rushed pace. But that's an editing choice other warhamner animations have also

I liked it but agree that the scene transitions and overall flow could have used some help. Feels like a bunch of micro works stitched together pretending to be a cohesive peice.

Still, the parts were solid. Just an editing call I’m not a fan of.

That’s the models available or order.

This year, I’ve been able to order both, straight off the bat thanks to annual sub. Vamp free, Cadian paid for, for clarity.

I've sacked off WH+ this year, not enough value for me and I'm only interested in 1 mini so a friend who is only interested in the other is going to order me it.

I hope it all picks up this year, but I hoped that for the last two so I'm out.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s the models available or order.

This year, I’ve been able to order both, straight off the bat thanks to annual sub. Vamp free, Cadian paid for, for clarity.

Yeah, they went up Monday, got mine in hand Wednesday.

Not saying the exclusive miniatures are getting smaller every year, but........

I've always liked that particular art piece.

I might have been more impressed if the other Cadian in the full painting had been included. I think he was meant to be a combat engineer.

Other one was just meant to be a "veteran".

To be fair, there was a lot of complaining about the first model because while its beautiful it was so big its not realistic to use in an actual game. So GW might be correcting for that.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Other one was just meant to be a "veteran".

Art is always open to personal interpretation.



In this case I knew I had picked up 'combat engineer' from somewhere.

Shame there aren't combat engineers in the Codex otherwise we might have had a two figure sub model.

Yeah, I think we were talking across each other.

I've always focused on the "special weapons squads" bit--and those guys were supposed to be veterans.

I wouldn't say never to Combat Engineers, by the by.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, I think we were talking across each other.

I've always focused on the "special weapons squads" bit--and those guys were supposed to be veterans.

I wouldn't say never to Combat Engineers, by the by.

Axes in the Cadian upgrade sprue are a hint?

I know I'm thinking of using some of the Krieg bits to add some variety to my Praetorian metals for an engineer vibe.