To further add to that theory, the front of the gun has 5 separate muzzles, 4 small ones that roughly line up with the coils, and a large one. Though how its supposed to work is anyones guess...

Those 4 small ones, I'm guessing aren't really barrels. I figure the four sets of coils act essentially like 4 separate guns, which at the end of the coils funnel into the one large barrel.

SunFury Plasma Blaster Annihilator

Mistakes were made but right now I need some assistance from someone who has a Warlord SunFury Plasma Blaster Annihilator. I need an front end on image of the weapon so I can get a ratio of width to height similar to this image.

Can anyone provide this?

https://i.imgur.com/3qQhUBm.jpg


A top view would also be greatly appreciated

Thank you,

Blackadder

I feel like, since they're Titan weapons, each is probably built to slightly different specifications- in order to fit properly with the Titan's strength, targetting systems, and just general shape.

Step 2

I'd like to take credit for foresight when I manufactured these coils but it was pure luck that I made them oversized. As it is I made the depth about a half inch too long but it did give me a smoother curve to the coil segments when glued and clamped where they would have been too hard to glue successfully had they been manufactured to a precise size.

(I think that statement makes sense)

https://i.imgur.com/NLriT3c.jpg


In the image above we see the foreground segments cut down albeit crudely to the proper depth and the back ground segments still to be cut.

The image below shows both top and bottom segments cut down and ready to be sanded.

https://i.imgur.com/7qrUAAf.jpg

Size of that thing is impressive

SunFury Channel Details:

The Channels between the coils are first on the agenda today now that I need to replicate the detail.

I reassembled the Imperator to check if the 'SunFury' (Doesn't that sound like an old Plymouth with a roof hatch?) Blaster is of the proper size befitting a weapon of this calibre compared to a Titan of this stature. and it seems like it's a Goldilocks fit. I'll have to whip up a temporary hanger to take a picture.

Meanwhile there are some linear coils in the 12 and 6 o'clock position on the coils that I have to address first

https://i.imgur.com/Sj602ZO.jpg


An old spool of 0.062 60/40 resin solder supplied the coils and the core is 1/8th inch rod

https://i.imgur.com/BFM2FEm.jpg


They nestled in quite well so now onto the 9 and 3 o'clock channel detail.

https://i.imgur.com/jbGqnzB.jpg

nicely done!

A properly awe-inspiring project here Blackadder.

I feel the time spent going back to the start of this blog and reading all the way through it will be well spent and informative.

Naked Frenzy:

When I get in one of these "Everything's Coming Up Roses" moods I lose track of I'm supposed to be documenting the work process.

https://i.imgur.com/yJ9c5ye.jpg


The image above shows the naked channel with the beginnings of the detail and both of the channel filling detail basic runners completed.

https://i.imgur.com/tIBCwd7.jpg


And this next shot with the basic runner in place.

Well it's not all that big of a deal but it does show how I plan to work around replicating the umpteen castings that constitutes the equivalent FW masterpiece.

Ha! He said, "Naked."

Good gods that’s looking beautiful

A Week's Worth Of Labor:

At this rate I'm wondering if my estimate of another year in the making is a trifle optimistic.

https://i.imgur.com/I539NPV.jpg

Looking beautiful though! How will you do the cutouts/vents in the front?

I imagine it's going to be layering.

That's coming together beautifully.

Annihilator Muzzle:

I bit the bullet today and expanded the muzzle channels to what I believe is the proper width and depth.

Here seen in the original which is too cramped and closed in. Note I also have made allowances to extend the length of the muzzle.

https://i.imgur.com/JMqUhMZ.jpg


The muzzle ( temporarily ) installed now appears to have enough room for all the detail although I still have to jimmee the length a bit.

https://i.imgur.com/HqQ93BH.jpg


End on although crudely sanded at this point and a tad asymmetrical

https://i.imgur.com/e3hwYvT.jpg


The top view reveals I glued the muzzle upside down and which in spite of all my efforts has a distinct mirror asymmetry.

https://i.imgur.com/p5EHFmk.jpg


Coil Channel detail in place and ready for fine detailing.

https://i.imgur.com/Ss3xWjI.jpg


After all this work I hope this thing is the right size

what a plasma weapon!

Holy crap. That thing is detailed.


You're some sort of plasticard wizard aren't you?

Establishing the Profile:

I remove the muzzle to work on it and reattach it for the images.

My first consideration is the muzzle length which should be about half the length of the coil section. I can extend it about 8 more millimeters if needs be hence the excess on the nose of the muzzle.

https://i.imgur.com/6hFW20K.jpg


One problem with the shape of this is the templates I have installed to make the exterior form will have to be broken out after the outer cowl is completed so I can build the inner surface of the four cowl pieces.

https://i.imgur.com/80BM2Ds.jpg


This end on shape gives some idea of the interior structure once the templates are broken out.

https://i.imgur.com/aLjohFZ.jpg


I can't wait until this monster is done and I can relax with the easier weapons.

That is looking spectacular!

New art from an AT article up on GWs site shows you are right on the money with the plasma.

I keep forgetting this titan still has to get a massive city built on the top of it. That's some good looking art!

A Horrible Bollixed Up Mess:

Or, who knows, this just might work out after all.

https://i.imgur.com/Pl4cvpI.jpg


I've put a lot of work into this thing and it's finally time to apply the finishing strakes. Each one has to be custom fit but we'll follow this together.

Right Now I am cautiously optimistic. ;-)

BTW Thanks for the picture.

That muzzle is coming together nicely. You really nailed the overall design of it.

I love your work.
Especially the engineering-like approach - not to just make it look like it could work, but to incorporate functional elements - if just for posing.
The same goes for lighting - although i admire those who are able to pull off OSL painting - in my opinion nothing beats real Lights.

I may be a bit late, but:
Since you plan to add illumination to some areas like the interior, why not illuminate the plasma coils as well?
Instead of massive plastic rods you could cover the core structure in reflective tape and wrap the coils with EL-Wire - (there are many different colors and diameters available on specialized shops and even battery-powered sets on amazon or ebay)
you might have to put an LED in the muzzle as welll...

Fantastic work as always one thing I've always been curious about with scratchbuilds in general; how fragile are they? There's so much work gone into projects like this, are they stable enough to take to games or is there a real risk of it breaking?

 Valkyrie wrote:
Fantastic work as always one thing I've always been curious about with scratchbuilds in general; how fragile are they? There's so much work gone into projects like this, are they stable enough to take to games or is there a real risk of it breaking?

I'll put it this way. A couple of weeks ago I had my Imperator that had been standing in the corner for a month when suddenly it toppled over. Crashing to the floor which I grant you was carpeted but there was no damage at all. Naturally if it had fallen of a table I would expect a week or so repairs but I wouldn't subject a resin model to similar treatment.


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That Wasn't So Hard:

I don't know why I dreaded this, it wasn't so hard.

I figured out the secret of layering strakes ( Contoured planks on a frame ) and where I have previously gone awry with this sort of construction. What you need to do is install backing strips to the inner surface of the main planks so you have something to glue the filler planks.

Previously I attempted to add the filler planks without backing. I used 1,0 MM X 6.3 MM styrene for the planking which moulded easily but was still thick enough to take a finishing sanding.

https://i.imgur.com/GJbJxNz.jpg


The image above shows the upper nose segment rough sanded and the lower segment with the plans in the rough unsanded stage.

The image below may make the explanation clearer.

https://i.imgur.com/r0ZrGeM.jpg


Once I have the muzzle segments completely rough sanded I'll wet sand the whole cowling.

I never use filler such as Greenstuff and Milliput because it looks like hell ( Especially the Green Stuff ) and you have difficulty gluing additional styrene to the foreign surface. Plus flaws in the contours are difficult to see until the surface is painted.

Anyway, "Onward and upward" as the saying goes I'm quite pleased with the result.

Rough Sanding Completed:

The business end of this construct is reaching fruition

https://i.imgur.com/yvyPN5f.jpg


Space Marine Provided for scale

https://i.imgur.com/9c3Mhe4.jpg


A couple of more layers and I'll be ready to remove the templates.

https://i.imgur.com/EZA696X.jpg


But I don't like these new light bulbs. Why is everything yellow?

I'd say it's coming along smashingly, indeed!

Can't wait to see how you plan on adding in those heat vents in the front!

 The_Blackadder wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Fantastic work as always one thing I've always been curious about with scratchbuilds in general; how fragile are they? There's so much work gone into projects like this, are they stable enough to take to games or is there a real risk of it breaking?

I'll put it this way. A couple of weeks ago I had my Imperator that had been standing in the corner for a month when suddenly it toppled over. Crashing to the floor which I grant you was carpeted but there was no damage at all. Naturally if it had fallen of a table I would expect a week or so repairs but I wouldn't subject a resin model to similar treatment.

Damn, something like that I'd be too afraid to breathe in it's direction, didn't realise plasticard was actually pretty strong. The internal bracing you've done is a great idea.

 Jin wrote:


Can't wait to see how you plan on adding in those heat vents in the front!

The Three slots in each of the four cowl segments? This will be my second attempt at reproducing these on a Plasma Blaster. I failed initially on my StormBlade Titan Hunter but of course I was new to plasticard modeling at that time. Hopefully I'll do better this time

 The_Blackadder wrote:


But I don't like these new light bulbs. Why is everything yellow?

That would be the OSL coming from the plasma coils as it’s heating up . The machine god is ready to blast something even if you are not done with all your safety checks.

Are the bulbs daylight bulbs? Cool white bulbs? LED? Or halogen?

Template Frames Removed:

From the Muzzle

Which opens up the four highly detailed cowl segments.

https://i.imgur.com/zUwGAKO.jpg


This is where the FW artists prove their mettle. The meticulous detail that no one ever sees in the overall scope but sets their creations apart from run-of-the-mill efforts.

https://i.imgur.com/LpErLTP.jpg


I really cannot wait until FW releases a Warlord Chaos version so I can adequately demonstrate my appreciation by purchasing one.

BTW whatever turned the preceding images yellow has gone away???

Ooh that is looking very good.

The new GW terrain (including the huge statues, etc.) might be an excellent source for bits when the top city/fortress is attempted. Love watching this thing come together.

That thing is a work of art all on it's own. And huge to boot.

A Budding Neophyte:

Back in the days when the Blackadder was a budding neophyte he attempted to make a Plasma Blaster for a StormBlade variant. The result was of indifferent quality but I could not figure out a way to make the muzzle cowl long thin exhaust ports.

So today I was faced with the same problem ( Fortunately these are much bigger ) plus I have a wealth of experience to draw on so we shall see how I do.

https://i.imgur.com/ekQR0U4.jpg


I laid the groundwork for these ports and they take about five minutes each to replicate those in the screen above.

At this point we needn't worry about the length and the slight bowing of the 0.040 inch strips. I need 12 of these of exact length.

Are those earwax remover tools? Never thought I’d ever see those used on a titan

Eeww! Does such a thing exist??? No they are hand made, but still..... perhaps I could patten them; hmmmmmm

No; I refuse to prostitute myself.

 The_Blackadder wrote:
Eeww! Does such a thing exist??? No they are hand made, but still..... perhaps I could patten them; hmmmmmm

No; I refuse to prostitute myself.

Yours looks similar to the ones we used on our dogs ears many years ago, which is why I remember.
Here’s a quick one I found on eBay just for reference https://www.ebay.com/i/181846248323?chn=ps&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fi%25252F181846248323%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D181846248323%2526targetid%253D411422719620%2526device%253Dt%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9022878%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1425762668%2526adgroupid%253D54746042863%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-411422719620%2526abcId%253D1139066%2526merchantid%253D110810379%2526gclid%253DEAIaIQobChMI6Iap8M3w3AIVl7XACh1kdA78EAQYDCABEgJZ3vD_BwE%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1633838403989%2526rvr_ts%253D40bc1aab1650ad4d91b74688ffe807a7

Bogged Down On Minutia

These bits are time consuming

https://i.imgur.com/pelIe6R.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/dwzqeHN.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/a09Up8I.jpg

Needs larger heat exchangers.

Oh that is really coming together!

 jabbakahut wrote:
Needs larger heat exchangers.

What are the Heat exchangers?

Plasma likes getting hot, so the weapons have Heat Ex-changers aka heat sinks, great for cooling.

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Plasma likes getting hot, so the weapons have Heat Ex-changers aka heat sinks, great for cooling.

Yes, plasma is the fourth state of matter but what is the physical component that Jabba is referring to; what structure that I have built is too small?

 The_Blackadder wrote:

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Plasma likes getting hot, so the weapons have Heat Ex-changers aka heat sinks, great for cooling.

Yes, plasma is the fourth state of matter but what is the physical component that Jabba is referring to; what structure that I have built is too small?

I'm pretty sure that the little nozzly things (sorry for the really technical terminology, lol) on plasma weapons are the heat sinks.

So in this case there is a row of them down the centre of the weapon (on most hand held plasma weapons they are on top) - so I think yours will be spot on as they will match the picture reference.

Also the plasma vents reminded me of a brand of coffee stirrer we have at work which is made of styrene - not sure if this helps for future projects:

https://www.gophersupplies.co.uk/product.aspx/tea-coffee-stirrer-white-plastic-5-x-5000-stirrers/TS1000/2

StraightSilver wrote:

So in this case there is a row of them down the centre of the weapon (on most hand held plasma weapons they are on top) - so I think yours will be spot on as they will match the picture reference.

Considering I haven't made the 5 vents (per side) as yet it's no wonder they look too small but I would call them vents not heat sinks

Also the plasma vents reminded me of a brand of coffee stirrer we have at work which is made of styrene - not sure if this helps for future projects:

https://www.gophersupplies.co.uk/product.aspx/tea-coffee-stirrer-white-plastic-5-x-5000-stirrers/TS1000/2

$13 bucks for 5,000 may seem reasonable but since I only need twelve it's a bit much + shipping.

I assumed he was joking, referring to the absolutely ginormous plasma coils on that thing!

 The_Blackadder wrote:

 jabbakahut wrote:
Needs larger heat exchangers.

What are the Heat exchangers?

I thought the heat exchangers were the frond-y things in the middle of the nozzle. In which case, yeah, they could be bigger, since in the photo I think they're deeper into the mechanism than you have them mounted.

Disappointing:

To say the least but it's good to show your failures occasionally lest you become too full of yourself.

https://i.imgur.com/7pkSCnG.jpg


I think I am getting tired of replicating this weapon The above image of the er whatever this is and the image below which I thought would be so cool just didn't come out as I had hoped.

https://i.imgur.com/NLDhzIT.jpg


With the two components installed and the elevation spool temporarily in place

https://i.imgur.com/lkltQQE.jpg


I can only mutter "Meh!" Not even good enough for Gov'ment work.

Faa!

I'm failing to see what's wrong with either of them.

Had you not pointed it out, would any of us have noticed?

I’m still in awe.

It looks better than government work in my book, but you do have much stricter tolerances than me. I’d be more than joyed with it especially after a primer coat.

Ha, sorry. I should have included some sort of sarcastic tag. I was just pontificating on the theoretical sci-fi physics. I mean the heat generated by this thing (presumming scale accordingly from a hand held version of a plasma weapon) would be ridiculous. It looks great though, I probably should have lead with that. I'm surprised you're not building one that is self illuminating? Maybe I missed that in a post somewhere. Seems like one of the best places to add some fun lighting solutions.

I suppose I should explain what I meant by disappointing but something did not look right about the panels on either side of the muzzle and the five exhaust ports between the vertical coils. I researched a lot last night and finally found an image that shows where I went wrong. It is irritating that I did not perceive this earlier; D**n!

Note to Jabba,

I had considered clear rod and tubing for the coils including fluorescent weed whip monofilament but could not find a suitable diameter and clear filament made it look too toylike.

These are the best images I have managed to come up with and presumably they are vert current as I don't recall them before. The front view shows the heatsinks (Whatever) are slightly convex on either side of the muzzle and the muzzle itself is exquisitely detailed for my purposes Much better than any previous image.

https://i.imgur.com/IW4MQlm.jpg


The rear image shows the five exhaust ports and demonstrates where my error lies. I have mine vertical and the actual ports are inclined toward the rear.

https://i.imgur.com/o17orvM.jpg


I'm still hoping to find detailed unpainted top and bottom images of both the muzzle area and the rear area aft of the coils; areas sorely neglected in images thus far. I also need a view of the back of the weapon.

In and Out of the Doldrums:

Yesterday I found myself dissatisfied with the progress of this construct. Today after finding what was the problem I'm optimistic about the progress.

Plus I found an image that shows the length of the Primary weapons at about 13 inches.

https://i.imgur.com/EL8Ukgw.jpg


The SunFury as it is in the images at present without the rear components is 14 inches so the scale is correct as well.

https://i.imgur.com/3YopBin.jpg

Mine is painted, but I can take any pics you need.

I mean, you realize that you can make this however you want, right? LIke, sure it's a Standardized Template thing, but it's also a millenia old god-machine. The cultists probably ... tinkered, a little, and maybe did some odd stuff when repairing battle damage.

^^ What he said. You are mostly working from fan art anyways, so give yourself a little slack.

I am lucky, I have gone the Ork route, means it will look kinda right, but every mek for himself.

P.S. I am building a Mega Gargant, the thing destroyed at the end of Helsreach is a Great Gargant, smaller cousin of the Mega, about half the mass of one actually. I probably still need 2 to beat you in a straight fight mind you. Your build far exceeds mine though, I will be getting there in scale, but the level of detail you are going for is a little too close to insanity for my liking. I mean I am mad, no question, but your of the chart bud.

 Camkierhi wrote:
^^ What he said. You are mostly working from fan art anyways, so give yourself a little slack.

I am lucky, I have gone the Ork route, means it will look kinda right, but every mek for himself.

P.S. I am building a Mega Gargant, the thing destroyed at the end of Helsreach is a Great Gargant, smaller cousin of the Mega, about half the mass of one actually. I probably still need 2 to beat you in a straight fight mind you. Your build far exceeds mine though, I will be getting there in scale, but the level of detail you are going for is a little too close to insanity for my liking. I mean I am mad, no question, but your of the chart bud.

Love to see it. I'm toying with a 'Mega Gargant' myself but probably won't be starting on it for a couple of years.

 The_Blackadder wrote:

 Camkierhi wrote:
^^ What he said. You are mostly working from fan art anyways, so give yourself a little slack.

I am lucky, I have gone the Ork route, means it will look kinda right, but every mek for himself.

P.S. I am building a Mega Gargant, the thing destroyed at the end of Helsreach is a Great Gargant, smaller cousin of the Mega, about half the mass of one actually. I probably still need 2 to beat you in a straight fight mind you. Your build far exceeds mine though, I will be getting there in scale, but the level of detail you are going for is a little too close to insanity for my liking. I mean I am mad, no question, but your of the chart bud.

Love to see it. I'm toying with a 'Mega Gargant' myself but probably won't be starting on it for a couple of years.

Well if you go by any blueprint made for a mega gargant then I want to know how you will get precise sizes from the crayon drawings they use.

 Theophony wrote:


Love to see it. I'm toying with a 'Mega Gargant' myself but probably won't be starting on it for a couple of years.

Well if you go by any blueprint made for a mega gargant then I want to know how you will get precise sizes from the crayon drawings they use.

Ork Gargant? Use Your Titan, add more dakka and voila! :p

As ever - you're all mad, but my god is it inspiring stuff!

Getting There:

What else can I say?

https://i.imgur.com/jbx20fT.jpg


This is a labor intensive project...........

https://i.imgur.com/WR4APDH.jpg

It's been said that the only reason that people go to Cockroach Races is to see a Cockroach crash.

By extension; the only reason people view my threads is to see me Frak up.

https://i.imgur.com/ZLZmcDD.jpg


Well sorry to disappoint but it ain't gonna happen this day. Today is the first time I have aligned and imaged my Imperator and the never ending Plasma Blaster project together......

https://i.imgur.com/6msMmTC.jpg


( Honest to the God Emperor )

https://i.imgur.com/pBXee9X.jpg



and it seems to be in the right ballpark scale-wise.

Omnissiah be Praised. Genuflect! Genuflect! Hail in Oates.

If we came here to see you frak up then you’d not get many views... because you just turn out spectacular stuff. This is starting to really come together!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
If we came here to see you frak up then you’d not get many views... because you just turn out spectacular stuff. This is starting to really come together!

Yeah; well I'm just running out of sparkling quips to introduce updates. and truth be known I wasn't at all sure this would a Goldilocks fit.

It's not big enough.

It's really looking great BA. It'll undoubtedly look sensational when all complete (doubly so if/when it gets a coat of paint)

 Snrub wrote:
It's not big enough.

It's really looking great BA. It'll undoubtedly look sensational when all complete (doubly so if/when it gets a coat of paint)

When my kids were little (5or so), I thought about making a titan costume for them to wear and have them stomp around on the table. Then I remembered that they were out of control most of the time and would actually stomp my opponents models and I’d get punched....so it never happened .

The warmonger is looking great. Glad everything is lining up well when you put the gun in place. Although if it was just out of scale it could have been a carapace weapon .

My only regret is that I can only Exalt this thread one time.

Lookin' great! Keep up the excellent progress.

We're going to need a 'model's eye view' pic at some point to truly appreciate it's magnificence methinks.

Looking fairly spot on to me. As always, blown away by your dedication to detail.

Time to Take Stock:

I've reached a point where I need to economize on the number of components to duplicate and for the past week I've been thinking of a way to save work on making redundant items and I believe I have come up with a way.

https://i.imgur.com/ZeUtl3H.jpg


The suspender arm disc was labor intensive especially if I have to make one for each weapon variant so below is a removable Mount Disc Component that I will be making for each of the two weapon arms which will facilitate rapid exchange of weapon types with the exception of the CC claw which i am given to understand is not a usual Emperor Titan Weapon anyway.

https://i.imgur.com/lC2lwrG.jpg


I included a scale on the top image, even though it is only 2/3 of it's ultimate dimension, for the convenience of those who have requested a size reference.

Every time I think this looks incredible, you post a photo with some other model to give a sense of scale and it looks even more amazing.

Clever. Won't this cause paint to scrape off/ did you build in tolerance for bits that might get paint on them?

Weekend Update:

I had hoped to be further along in the rear mechanisms by now but I ran into a bit of a snag when I realized the the rear section of the weapon expanded further than the surface armour surrounding the mount disk. Since my gun is wider overall than the Warlord weapon I have decided to not expand this section unless I see the overall appeal of the Plasma Blaster is compromised.

https://i.imgur.com/opWDHf4.jpg


Another modification is the rear mount must also be removable and be able to slip onto the mount disk assembly which should pose no problem but was something I had not anticipated.

https://i.imgur.com/xFNOLgE.jpg


Now that that is recognized I can proceed with the actual manufacture of the rear sections.

 The_Blackadder wrote:
I'm toying with a 'Mega Gargant' myself but probably won't be starting on it for a couple of years.

YEs!

You have probably said already, but will you be using mechanical joints or magnetic?
I know it is big for magnets, but large neo magnets are very strong.

Looking good!

Looking good BA.
Is there much left to do for the plasma gun?

And i'm sure you've said before, but what other weapons have you got planned for this behemoth?

 Snrub wrote:
Looking good BA.
Is there much left to do for the plasma gun?

And i'm sure you've said before, but what other weapons have you got planned for this behemoth?

Still quite a bit, the whole rear section in fact and all the detail.

Probably two Volcano cannon to round out the Primary weapons. They should be relatively easy compared to the Plasma cannon.

One Week Later:

It's been a busy week but I managed to fit in a bit of building. The biggest accomplishment is a second Arms Mount section for the other armament items.

https://i.imgur.com/9yj9h3H.jpg


It is a source of irritation to me that each of these disc mount appendages seem dedicated to a particular weapon so hopefully I can circumvent this need for redundancy by making a generic disc and adding a discrete weapons module pack for each weapon I produce. The Discs are really time consuming to make.

https://i.imgur.com/6MMTHmi.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/axub5XT.jpg


So above we have the Plasma Blaster modular assembly that slips together as two pieces and subsequently in the image below the sections installed on the Plasma blaster body......

https://i.imgur.com/InJMOrY.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/G4yHwBI.jpg


Next the Meta Snail module...........

 The_Blackadder wrote:


Still quite a bit, the whole rear section in fact and all the detail.

Probably two Volcano cannon to round out the Primary weapons. They should be relatively easy compared to the Plasma cannon.

Honestly, I really can't tell what variant of an Emperor you're going for (there's only two, each with fixed weapon loadouts). But if If you're looking to make an actual Warmonger as the thread title has always suggested (and not the standard Imperator), or at least something close to it, you might consider its main guns - the right arm being the Doomstrike array of 8 support missiles and the left arm being the double-barreled big-honking-lasers Vengeance cannon. Some of the best photographs I've been able to find of the conversion kit GW released I've are

http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/images/8/8a/Limited_Release_-_Epic_Imperial_Titan_Imperator_Kit.jpg

http://wh.reactor.cc/post/2861931

http://img0.reactor.cc/pics/post/Warhammer-40000-%D1%84%D1%8D%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%8B-Emperor-%28titan%29-Collegia-Titanica-3467008.jpeg

The middle link there also happens to show one of the only top down shots of the Imperator kit I've ever seen. And that last link would be from the cover of one of the old Epic magazines and one of the few completely unconverted Warmonger shots I can find.

I know you said at one point you didn't want to do a large ballistic cannon as an arm, so these two main guns might be something to consider, since the Doomstrike missiles are, well, missiles, and the Vengeance cannon is a two really big lasers.

The most recent rules- the 40k Apocalypse datasheet for the Emperor-class, had the four available arm weapons as interchangeable options, which included matched pairs. All the more recent Titanrules have allowed varied loadoits, rather than specific patterns, so I think it is reasonable to create weapons for the model on that basis.

So that would be the Vengeance laser, Hellstorm cannon (multibarrelled, not sure if laser or conventional munitions), missile rack, and the big plasma gun. Blackadder is already making the big plasma weapon, which leaves the twin laser, multibarrelled gun, and missile rack as other options. The fist would be a cool addition, if not strictly following the original options.

Edit: the Hellstorm cannon is a 6-barrelled gatling-laser cannon, which is pretty awesome. There are no standard ballistic cannons as existing options.

Ingenious. how will it all stay together in the end: friction, magnets, or something else?

 Haighus wrote:
The most recent rules- the 40k Apocalypse datasheet for the Emperor-class, had the four available arm weapons as interchangeable options, which included matched pairs. All the more recent Titanrules have allowed varied loadoits, rather than specific patterns, so I think it is reasonable to create weapons for the model on that basis.

So that would be the Vengeance laser, Hellstorm cannon (multibarrelled, not sure if laser or conventional munitions), missile rack, and the big plasma gun. Blackadder is already making the big plasma weapon, which leaves the twin laser, multibarrelled gun, and missile rack as other options. The fist would be a cool addition, if not strictly following the original options.

Edit: the Hellstorm cannon is a 6-barrelled gatling-laser cannon, which is pretty awesome. There are no standard ballistic cannons as existing options.

I always had the impression that the Hellstorm fired (very large) explosive shells. I'll admit I always thought it was a bit goofy because of that, and that several lasers on the order of a shadowsword's volcano cannon would make way more sense. Still, goofy never stopped some of the background/rules folks at GW before, so as I said, when the model first came out I got the impression that it was explosive shells, and that's what stuck with me through the decades.

Also, the people writing some of those 40k Apocalypse datasheets sometimes seemed to be making things up as they went, so personally I'd ignore their ideas of variable loadouts myself, and look more towards the actual models produced. But that's just me.

Bob Lorgar wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
The most recent rules- the 40k Apocalypse datasheet for the Emperor-class, had the four available arm weapons as interchangeable options, which included matched pairs. All the more recent Titanrules have allowed varied loadoits, rather than specific patterns, so I think it is reasonable to create weapons for the model on that basis.

So that would be the Vengeance laser, Hellstorm cannon (multibarrelled, not sure if laser or conventional munitions), missile rack, and the big plasma gun. Blackadder is already making the big plasma weapon, which leaves the twin laser, multibarrelled gun, and missile rack as other options. The fist would be a cool addition, if not strictly following the original options.

Edit: the Hellstorm cannon is a 6-barrelled gatling-laser cannon, which is pretty awesome. There are no standard ballistic cannons as existing options.

I always had the impression that the Hellstorm fired (very large) explosive shells. I'll admit I always thought it was a bit goofy because of that, and that several lasers on the order of a shadowsword's volcano cannon would make way more sense. Still, goofy never stopped some of the background/rules folks at GW before, so as I said, when the model first came out I got the impression that it was explosive shells, and that's what stuck with me through the decades.

Also, the people writing some of those 40k Apocalypse datasheets sometimes seemed to be making things up as they went, so personally I'd ignore their ideas of variable loadouts myself, and look more towards the actual models produced. But that's just me.

I looked it up on Lexicanum, and it specifically stated it was a directed energy weapon. I was a bit surprised too!

What you say is true, but then the Apocalypse datasheet is the most up-to-date source we currently have (until FW releases a new Emperor for Titanicus!). Every other existing Titan has variable loadouts to boot. Also, because Blackadder is designing the arms to be interchangeable and modular, he can mix and match as he desires for a particular game etc. Therefore, having the loadouts for either variant would make sense.

Bob Lorgar wrote:

Honestly, I really can't tell what variant of an Emperor you're going for (there's only two, each with fixed weapon loadouts).

Yeah I really ought to change the title. When I began this thread all options were open and I really wanted a compliment to my Lucius Warlord but I fell in love with the Joazzz2 3D Imperator and the rest is history.

I probably will build just the two Volcano Cannons and the press on with the completion of the model. Then if time and patience allow I'll make some other weapon.

Thanks for all the replies!

Re: the Hellstorm cannon. It was also portrayed as a multi barrelled laser weapon in DoWC.

Skip ahead to ~6:20


There's also a point in the game where you get to fire it, but I couldn't find a video of it.

I like that plasma arm!

Cochlear Implant:

I'm frequently asked how I develop a construction from just images on a computer screen. and I suppose this is a prime demonstration candidate. the Cochlear shaped reactor core at the back end of the Plasma Blaster. Since I already had the disc mount assembly it was a simple matter of transporting the dimensions off the disc to the rectangular grid material and eyeballing the divisions on the screen I used my compass to define where the concentric components would be arranged.

https://i.imgur.com/EWLsQftl.jpg


Using the mount block module I made a U shaped construction of the apparent size of the basic structure and alternately layered 0.040 inch sheet styrene with the same sized grid material until I had a sufficient thickness with two left pieces over for the final rough detail.

https://i.imgur.com/K31AUOk.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/U3NwU5K.jpg


So finally we have the size of the complete weapon realized at least in the rough.

https://i.imgur.com/AzHRLlZ.jpg


and now I can take on the actual upper mount arm............

That's About the Size of It:

I finally can appreciate the size of this construct and I am revisiting my anxiety over the scale Vis-à-vis the actual Titan.

https://i.imgur.com/XLL36Aw.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/990xV1i.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/vchVYlh.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/KNciCjg.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/htf5EPr.jpg


It seems about right................

Definitely looks right! How will it be attached?

That looks amazing.
This is going to be phenomenal once it's finished!



Is that warlord I spy in the background, next to what looks like a thunderhawk?

 Snrub wrote:
That looks amazing.
This is going to be phenomenal once it's finished!

Is that warlord I spy in the background, next to what looks like a thunderhawk?

Yes to both and they can be found on these threads elsewhere on Dakka Dakka:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1560/300245.page

and

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/900/372703.page

Amazing work as always!

 CommissarKhaine wrote:
Definitely looks right! How will it be attached?

Beats the hell out of me. I haven't figured it out yet. This is what comes of using more than one titan design

Just a Quick One Today:

Working on the reactor coil (whatever) It's a complex piece of machinery with a lot of delicate parts. The Plastic cement eats through the curved 0.040 inch square stock instantly so I had to use 0.5 inch tubing for the ends of the slots.

https://i.imgur.com/IBhq3II.jpg


It seems to work okay.

Looking good! I have recently started messing around with plasticard (albeit in a much much smaller scale) so I have a new appreciation for what you have accomplished

Not a clue how it's going to fit together, but I'll be awaiting your progress with eager anticipation

What plastic cement do you use BA?

Eating through .04" of plastic seems like it'd take some strong stuff.

 Snrub wrote:
What plastic cement do you use BA?

Eating through .04" of plastic seems like it'd take some strong stuff.

The fact that plastic cement dissolves plastic is what give the joint its strength. In normal bonding that is a plus but when a thin strip of styrene is put under stress such as too tight a curve the dissolving process works faster than the drying process and the molecular bond of the strip breaks. Other forms of adhesion do not work as well and the construct will fall apart eventually and sooner rather than later.

I tend to stay away from materials and adhesives other than styrene and styrene cement.

I use Tamiya Extra Thin Cement now that Ambroid Proweld is not available. Proweld was a bit more forgiving when gluing thinstrips which is another way of saying 'weaker'. I use 'Fresh' Tamiya for virtually instant bonding and stale Tamiya for these sort of applications as the volatiles have somewhat evaporated but in this case not sufficiently.

Interesting thought on using fresh and stale glues for various jobs. At what point does plastic glue become "stale"?

I knew that plastic cements dissolve/melts plastics and fuses them together in order to achieve cohesion, what struck me though was that it was able to eat through a millimetre worth of plasticard.
But I've always used Revells Contacta glue. So maybe that's got a different chemical make up to the stuff you use and isn't as full on melty.

 Snrub wrote:
Interesting thought on using fresh and stale glues for various jobs. At what point does plastic glue become "stale"?

I knew that plastic cements dissolve/melts plastics and fuses them together in order to achieve cohesion, what struck me though was that it was able to eat through a millimetre worth of plasticard.
But I've always used Revells Contacta glue. So maybe that's got a different chemical make up to the stuff you use and isn't as full on melty.

I've always used Testors Red Label even back when the tube was yellow and blue



for all my modeling until I began scratch building with styrene.

When I began using thin cement (actually a solvent that softened and melted plastic so the parts actually welded together) I noticed the cement got weaker especially if you forget to screw the top on tight. I found the cement took longer to work and required more liquid to weld a seam plus it became cloudy with the white styrene residue. I frequently use "stale" cement for thin material that melts to quickly with fresh glue.

When Will There Be An End?

I am so sick of this weapon. It's like pushing a snowball uphill. The bigger it gets the harder it is to push it further...

https://i.imgur.com/67h9Z7P.jpg


My only consolation is; the rest of the weapons will be a piece of cake in comparison......

https://i.imgur.com/6wvPzCp.jpg


The reactor core is almost complete, I need only add 13 more silver coils and the rest will be eyewash.....

https://i.imgur.com/ZY6Yr3Z.jpg


Last night I built the obverse side and am about ready to install the silver coils on it as well.

Looks great, Blackadder! Keep up the good work, even if it seems a bit Sisyphean at the moment.

It become more spectacular with every post

Keep pushing, BA .. Keep pushing ... It's phenomenal

You may have mentioned it previously, and I have read every single post in this thread, but I forget .. what actually is your day job?
In my fantasies about you (which are not just limited to the bare-chested Charlton Heston on the beach photo), I kind of imagine you as some "dark science" engineer in a "black" laboratory, laboriously unravelling the secrets of exotic alien tech ...

Still in awe at your project stamina above all else... the work is incredible both artistically and engineering wise, but the dedication and perseverance to stick it out for literally years is the most mind-numbing thing to me. I tip my hat to you sir, keep at it.

Whats the total cost on materials to date?
Or are the Mechanicum funding the project?

Ratius wrote:Whats the total cost on materials to date?
Or are the Mechanicum funding the project?

I've quite gone beyond calculating how much this has cost because of the convoluted way I acquire the material. I'm guessing when completed it will have cost me about $500 dollars considering I estimated my Warlord cost was about $300 and likewise the Thunderhawk.

I should not count the bitz from the Cities of Death because I did not purchase them. They were left over from an other's builds.

War Drone wrote:Keep pushing, BA .. Keep pushing ... It's phenomenal

You may have mentioned it previously, and I have read every single post in this thread, but I forget .. what actually is your day job?
In my fantasies about you (which are not just limited to the bare-chested Charlton Heston on the beach photo), I kind of imagine you as some "dark science" engineer in a "black" laboratory, laboriously unravelling the secrets of exotic alien tech ...

Yeah, you've pretty much nailed it.

Jin wrote:Looks great, Blackadder! Keep up the good work, even if it seems a bit Sisyphean at the moment.

"Sisyphean" By George! You ARE quite the Cunning Linguist.

I love it when my fantasies are confirmed!

Plasma Blaster Reactor:


Or whatever it is will serve as the counterweight for this monster of a gun.

https://i.imgur.com/SEj3WO1.jpg


Once I finish the basic detail I'll be putting about ten ounces of weight in the rear compartment.

https://i.imgur.com/Ru9zoyb.jpg

I was wondering what you were going to do for counterweighting. Elegant solution!

Elegant and fantastic looking.

Stunning stuff, BA

Consider Me Crazy:

If someone had told me that it would take me all Summer and then some to make this Annihilator Plasma Blaster I would have considered him crazy.

https://i.imgur.com/huG26nX.jpg


After all I build a Warlord Titan in less than two years and it took about two weeks to make the main Volcano Cannons for that Titan......

https://i.imgur.com/kW0FlHB.jpg


So anyway I've decided to make this weapon modular

https://i.imgur.com/MkkbQDj.jpg


Here we see the four basic components

https://i.imgur.com/4Wla4Tu.jpg


First the mounting disc slides into the main gun housing.......

Then the internal adaptor module for the rear of the Plasma blaster

https://i.imgur.com/zsvdW0Y.jpg


So I can add different parts to convert from one weapon to another easily......

https://i.imgur.com/Y42m4MJ.jpg


The Reactor section then slips onto the internal module.......

https://i.imgur.com/V62R0AE.jpg


This long shot of the business end of this weapon give an appreciation of the scale 30 meters ( 98feet ) length.

https://i.imgur.com/jKUslSu.jpg


And we're back to the assembled weapon... I've got to have my Tech Priests ready next time to have them show of their wares.

It is looking amazing Blackadder!

That's gorgeous

Divine creation Are You Omnissiah?

Top job, Blacky. Tidy work.

Cloaca:

At the charging end of the Plasma Blaster is this cylindrical structure that is somewhat convex and fortunately I had a piece of recyclable styrene of adequate size that had a flattened dome shape.

It was a simple matter to divide it into twelfths but somewhat more difficult to space out the segments

https://i.imgur.com/Nq1rhzh.jpg


I want to keep the structure as hollow as possible so I can add balancing weight so once I get the end cap detailed I'll make the rest of the cylinder.

https://i.imgur.com/9T3DiYN.jpg


Everything on this blaster is super detailed so replicating it even as a reasonable facsimile is tedious.

https://i.imgur.com/y5GN5al.jpg


I hope I'll have less trouble with the Volcano Cannons.

To make matters worse my computer crashed last week and I had to reboot window 10

Ah, windows 10, everybody's favourite . Nice work on the plasma bit!

Lookin' lovely, BA.

Keep up the good fantastic work!

A View From A Height:

It's no secret I'm just a copier; none of this stuff is original with me. I prefer to think of myself as viewing from a height; picking and choosing that which I think would go best on my models and adapting the modifications to make them work with the rest of the components. Such is the case with the gun mounts on the Arms yoke I copied from Joazzz2 outstanding 3D masterpiece Emperor Titan. seen below:

https://i.imgur.com/jlKKwDk.jpg


I thought the yoke was a unique way to demonstrate how the upper castle works would need to be shouldered (groan) by the massive gun mount spar

https://i.imgur.com/rRZYHZE.jpg


The problem is that the ForgeWorld Warlord has a much better gun mount then the fork shaped Emperor Titan mount and my problem is adapting the ForgeWorld mount to the Joazzz2 yoke.

Here below we see the Forked mount on the SunFury Annihilator Plasma Blaster and I think you will agree it looks pretty crude compared to the rest of the weapon, clothespins not withstanding.
https://i.imgur.com/3ySlQsY.jpg


Even standing alone the mount leaves me unimpressed.

https://i.imgur.com/DEzWyTH.jpg


Above are the pieces I have thus far made to bring the mount apparatus up to the caliber (groan again) of the FW Plasma Blaster.

We'll see how well this turns out in the coming days.........

That gun looks amazing. I'm truly inspired.

The difference is level of detail. If you were to take the mounting fork and add in plate lines, maintenance hatches, battle scarring, ladder rungs and climbing/maintenance safety hooks and stays, axle head reinforcements, axle locks, axle keys, bearing access points, grease nipples, actuators, cabling and hoses, it'd probably be just as busy and detailed looking.

And that's not even getting into the paint.

Plus pistons. It needs piston to move back and forth, and servos to rotate. Gubbinz meanz detailz.

JohnnyHell wrote:Plus pistons. It needs piston to move back and forth, and servos to rotate. Gubbinz meanz detailz.

Anvildude wrote:The difference is level of detail. If you were to take the mounting fork and add in plate lines, maintenance hatches, battle scarring, ladder rungs and climbing/maintenance safety hooks and stays, axle head reinforcements, axle locks, axle keys, bearing access points, grease nipples, actuators, cabling and hoses, it'd probably be just as busy and detailed looking.

And that's not even getting into the paint.

techsoldaten wrote:That gun looks amazing. I'm truly inspired.

Thanks, I look forward to that which was inspired this day

The subtlety of the ForgeWorld training apparatus is that the gearing is all rack and pinion. Those lateral frets are the rack, no external pistons or hydraulics are necessary. That is the beauty and elegance of the design and specifically why I opted for it. The 'would be' engineers at FW did themselves proud on this one and I suspect they are accredited engineers in actual fact. Now whether the pinion gears are hydraulically driven is up to conjecture and there may be a need for flex tubing anyway. In any case; I shall be designing this alternative mount if only for the fun of seeing how it will work. I can always fall back on the "stone knives and bearskins" forked mount if needs be.

This is a truly epic project.

Keep up the incredible work BA! eventually it will pay off...

Wow! it's been eleven days since I last posted.........

Reverse Engineering:

Sometimes it pays to be pigheaded such as my obsessive insistence to retain the beautiful shoulder yoke so ably represented in Mr Joazzz2's 3D masterpieces of elegant Emperor Titans.
The other example of my OCD is to attempt to meld that yoke with the equally elegant mounting drums of the Forge World Alpha Warlord.

https://i.imgur.com/VIZTmxK.jpg


Both designs are mutually exclusive as the Forge World shoulders are deeply ensconced under the shoulder carapace and the trunnion mount of Mr Joazzz2's is bulky and somewhat crude compared to the rest of his revolutionary design..

https://i.imgur.com/yyTlbXu.jpg


I am hoping to achieve a middle ground compromise but this first image is a trifle unnerving. The arm seems to be hanging too low and the lower edge of the weapon seems to be at the level of the hip axis.

https://i.imgur.com/CZK70Lx.jpg


Referring to the FW Warlord model and Mr Joazzz's rendering this is also the case but with the body incomplete enough to support the weight of one main weapon I cannot tell for sure.

https://i.imgur.com/DGEu413.jpg


This last image I could not resist posting because it show my inner sanctum replete with plasticard stock which demonstrates the depth of my compulsions. Ha!

https://i.imgur.com/rRRwc6o.jpg

Looking fantastic, Blackadder. She’ll need her own bedroom when she’s done!

Lookin' good so far.

Were you going to have the arm connect essentially purely by the rack, or were you going to incorporate some forked element to hold up the arm from the central axis of the arm-drum?

 Jin wrote:
Lookin' good so far.

Were you going to have the arm connect essentially purely by the rack, or were you going to incorporate some forked element to hold up the arm from the central axis of the arm-drum?

Aside from the actual yoke the mount/ training mechanism will mimic the FW Warlord mount except mine will have the movable ability to have a cone of fire at virtually any angle or degree up to 30 to 40 degrees field of fire. The yoke has the appearance of variable range of motion but that really isn't necessary. the frets are purely decorations.

So how are you solving the swivel issue?

Basically, I'm thinking that you need to let go of the 'elegant simplicity' ideal. Your Warlord is already far past that point, and I think that trying to hang on to that with just some parts is going to, like you said, mess with the overall look.

Basically, it's great to be inspired by things, but I think this is the point where you're going to need to un-bolt the training wheels and start just modelling what feels and looks right for the model itself- make it a "Blackadder Pattern" titan.

I am as awestruck by your titan as by the amount of plastruct you have . Lovely work as always!

 Jin wrote:
Lookin' good so far.

Were you going to have the arm connect essentially purely by the rack, or were you going to incorporate some forked element to hold up the arm from the central axis of the arm-drum?

You know that is a very good question and one that I have not addressed until now; namely, what holds the training mechanism to the wraparound rack gear? I have a purpose for the axis of the that was not addressed in the original 3D art. The piston and cylinders serve no function in the masterpiece but a trunnion mount requires an axle. You win the prize for the second guess question of the year.

https://i.imgur.com/jlKKwDk.jpg



Why is there no applause emoticon ?

That is huuge Looks awesome

It's sum really is greater then it's parts!

Each of it's individual parts is big, but when you slap em all together you get something that is actually massive.

Thanks for the replies,

House of Cards:

It's about time to start fastening things together. Relying on friction won't cut it anymore as what is imaged here weighs about 30 lbs (14 Kilo)

https://i.imgur.com/NFOQRbS.jpg


With the 8 lbs of Plasma Blaster this thing is too unwieldy to to leave on the display stand in it's complete form and I took a chance on photoing it even in it's incomplete state. I'm no slouch when it comes to weight lifting but it took some heft to deadlift it off the stand in one piece.

https://i.imgur.com/5NqcDWT.jpg


I saw no point in assembling the lower legs as at the current weight the hip and knee joints need pins to index the various poses.

https://i.imgur.com/2Z7DIC8.jpg

The gun mount has all the flexibility required and once the armour is added on the figure will cease to look so gangly

https://i.imgur.com/Qn6Mwlf.jpg


The rear view appears more robust,

https://i.imgur.com/P0WEYb4.jpg


Next the Gatling Gun but first I'm going to treat myself to some eye candy and work on the interior.

Marvelous...just Marvelous.

Though I chuckled to myself when I realized the lower legs were not attached and dreamed of this being built by the real Mechanicus without the lower legs (being assembled off site due to the administatiums request to ensure all labor forces are being used ) and then realizing they didn’t have the technology to lift it up t put it on its feet. The pilot had to learn to walk on stumps and it received the name Minimum Clearancious .........I’m going back to bed now. I need sleep

 Theophony wrote:
Marvelous...just Marvelous.

Though I chuckled to myself when I realized the lower legs were not attached and dreamed of this being built by the real Mechanicus without the lower legs (being assembled off site due to the administatiums request to ensure all labor forces are being used ) and then realizing they didn’t have the technology to lift it up t put it on its feet. The pilot had to learn to walk on stumps and it received the name Minimum Clearancious .........I’m going back to bed now. I need sleep

My main intent is to see how low the Plasma Blaster will hang from the shoulder yoke relative to the axis of the hips. I am still somewhat concerned that the weapons hangers are too low to be aesthetically appealing even though they do not interfere with the operation of the hips and vise-versa

I have ample leeway to raise the shoulder yoke as much as two inches if needs be but once the yoke is cut it cannot be restored without unsightly patches. It would be good to actually have a blueprint plan

Particularly fond of this shot:



And while Theophony chuckled at the stumpy legs, I have to admit I think it would work as per the photos above where it's resting on two dumbells ... kind of a Trundlebot vibe ...

Always a treat if this thread gets updated... Great work as always!

War Drone 688647 wrote:

And while Theophony chuckled at the stumpy legs, I have to admit I think it would work as per the photos above where it's resting on two dumbells ... kind of a Trundlebot vibe ...

Well it's stood before and with completed legs.

https://i.imgur.com/Z2KUDk8.jpg



This was just a trial run to see how the mounted gun looks.



Thanks for the reply.

Talk about imposing ... and you still have the upper level to do ...

Any ideas yet on how you'll be approaching that?

War Drone wrote:

Any ideas yet on how you'll be approaching that?

Thanks for the reply.

Actually I have not thought about how I will address the superstructure. I shall in all likelihood continue with the Gothic motif but how tall I make the spires and main keep will depend on how I finish up the lower work. I have already exceeded my projected height for the entire Emperor just to the top on the corner hanging bastions which incidentally served as WC's for guards in medieval times.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hellstorm Cannon:

Okay it's decided, I'm going to make a Hellstorm Cannon although not this massive where the Titan is seen looming behind an Alpine size mountain range.

https://i.imgur.com/10kf0vn.jpg


The tiny white gangway and access door bespeak a ludicrous to the extreme order of magnitude for this weapon let alone the Titan itself but there are details that attracted me to the project including the drum mount which goes along with what I have already built for the Gatling gun. I shall also make a couple of Volcano cannons (My favorite Titan Weapon) but that will be for another time.

If anyone knows of a end concept shot of a Hellstorm weapon I would appreciate the input.

Too Small:

Went to Home Depot today and bought some PVC tubing for the gun barrels. The problem is the diameters are too small compared to the Plasma Blaster so I need to go back tomorrow and by 2 more pieces of the mid-sized tubing. fortunately the stuff is dirt cheap

https://i.imgur.com/dZPmYeU.jpg


Once I get the material I'm going to sheath it with styrene so stuff can be glued to it.

https://i.imgur.com/1PVXP36.jpg


That's all for today,

Cheers!

Much Better:

A hasty trip to HoDeDoe this morning and my wallet a few bucks lighter bu I feel much better about the diameter of the Hellstorm cannon which incidentally does not fire projectiles so what with the six barrels??? Do they fire all at once? Do they really need to rotate? Can I get away with only 5 tubes?

https://i.imgur.com/H9SzXFx.jpg


I can understand the Gatling gun rotating but an energy weapon uh uh?

https://i.imgur.com/eCQjUjO.jpg


So advise me of my error

I would assume a multi-barrel energy weapon would be used to improve firing rate due to recharge rate/barrel degaussing/some other time delay between shots. I would also assume that the barrels wouldn’t have to physically rotate, just cycle the power around them.

At least that’s how it works in my brain.

Perhaps each barrel fires simultaneously, each to the maximum effect that it can withstand due to material strength of the steel of the barrel. Each barrel and focusing lense is guided individually to hit the target together with the other barrels at a distance determined by the central barrel. Basically like crossing the ghostbusters streams . While only three or four barrels are necessary, six are used as extra redundancies due to the weapons getting hot and the fact that the god-machine doesn’t believe in over kill, just underbaked.

The other option is it could be the six barrels create a vortex of energy that channels the central barrels plasma like load of energy to the target making it far more accurate and containing the blast until impact.

 Jadenim wrote:
I would assume a multi-barrel energy weapon would be used to improve firing rate due to recharge rate/barrel degaussing/some other time delay between shots. I would also assume that the barrels wouldn’t have to physically rotate, just cycle the power around them.

At least that’s how it works in my brain.

Makes me think of the Laser Gun in Serious Sam - four 'barrels' that fire in successsion. It's a sensible suggestion I think, that there's a limit on how fast one barrel can fire, so to increase your rate you need more of them.

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Blackadder, I've been following this thread for ages but I don't think I've actually posted in it before now. Your skill, dedication and patience astound me. Well done, it's looking absolutely immense. I can see what you mean with the recent assembled photos - I feel like the gun is maybe hanging a little bit too low, but it's harder to tell without the feet on. Getting the feet on will lift it a little higher and I think the gun height will look a bit better as a result. But even if it's too fixed to adjust now, it still looks great.

Yeah, the multiple barrels would be used for the same reason they're used in the real-world. Heat Dispersion. A single barrel has a certain maximum rate of heat dispersion (possibly helped by active cooling, but still with a ceiling). Therefore, firerate has a physically imposed limit. Adding additional barrels lets you fractionize that fire delay and increase your firerate.

Also, yeah, I don't think that the Hellstorm actually DOES rotate. The art of it doesn't include mechanisms for that. In fact, I don't believe it even has 6 barrels- I think that lowest one is actually just a support strut for everything. You can see in the 'official' art that the rears of the barrels are attached to a square, solidly mounted plate.

Anvildude wrote:
Yeah, the multiple barrels would be used for the same reason they're used in the real-world. Heat Dispersion. A single barrel has a certain maximum rate of heat dispersion (possibly helped by active cooling, but still with a ceiling). Therefore, fire rate has a physically imposed limit. Adding additional barrels lets you fractionalize that fire delay and increase your fire rate.

Also, yeah, I don't think that the Hellstorm actually DOES rotate. The art of it doesn't include mechanisms for that. In fact, I don't believe it even has 6 barrels- I think that lowest one is actually just a support strut for everything. You can see in the 'official' art that the rears of the barrels are attached to a square, solidly mounted plate.

"You can see in the 'official' art" Tantalizing statement Anvildude; source, link, Image? It would be greatly appreciated

I may be wrong but....







These all seem to indicate that the lower "barrel" is a support. Though if stats are anything to go by I would say it was a spinning barrel....
http://www.specialist-arms.com/fanatic/52gag.pdf



Hope this helps in some way.

In the Dawn of War videogames, they show the gun firing, and it fires all the barrels at once.

One thing is for sure, those barrels are not supposed to rotate.

Thanks Cam, Vinter! Yeah, and on the one with the oversized Titan (The 2nd one that Cam posted, that you had a page or two back) it has a square breechplate for the barrels- non-spinning.

So five non-rotating laser cannons, arranged like a gatling cannon.

That saves on some work if you were planning to make the barrels actually rotate!


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Anvildude wrote:
Yeah, the multiple barrels would be used for the same reason they're used in the real-world. Heat Dispersion. A single barrel has a certain maximum rate of heat dispersion (possibly helped by active cooling, but still with a ceiling). Therefore, firerate has a physically imposed limit. Adding additional barrels lets you fractionize that fire delay and increase your firerate.

Also, yeah, I don't think that the Hellstorm actually DOES rotate. The art of it doesn't include mechanisms for that. In fact, I don't believe it even has 6 barrels- I think that lowest one is actually just a support strut for everything. You can see in the 'official' art that the rears of the barrels are attached to a square, solidly mounted plate.

I agree- it is a heat dispersion method to achieve a higher rate of fire with "light" laser shots. Light in comparison the Titan-killing laser option anyway...

Sleeves:

I tried to find a cement compatible with both styrene and PVC to no avail so I opted to sheath the PVC tubing with 0.020 inch (0,5MM) sheet styrene so to make adhering detail easier later on.

https://i.imgur.com/mOfBr6J.jpg


With a bit of care it's rather easy to do this and although each barrel has six sections the seams will be nigh on invisible once sanded and painted.

What this world needs is a universal plastic cement and I don't mean Cyanoacetate glue.

WELD-ON 2354 is formulated for bonding ABS, styrene (general purpose high impact), acrylics and poly-carbonates to themselves. It should not be used for joining dissimilar materials such as: ABS to styrene, ABS to acrylics, ABS to PVC or PVC to styrene.

its pretty pricey and only comes in pints though so good luck :/

but it seems to be about as universal as it gets.

EDIT Wow im bad at reading. ignore fully. i will leave this up to shame my self.

Double edit: apparently some railroaders say methyl ethyl ketone works for pvc to styrene. but as im in the cancer causing state of america i cant get the stuff to try it out.

I mean, seeing as he's trying to bond PVC to Styrene, it seems it won't work.

Now, what I'm wondering is, if you're making the sheaths anyways, why not make inner sheaths, and faceplates, then take out the PVC and have a much, much lighter tube that you can use?

Yeah, I've tried all these and nothing works satisfactorily and to have a seam open after the work is completed is a drag. It wasn't so much a complaint than a catharsis to rid me of my frustration. I've battled dissimilar materials adhesion through all my scratch-builds and managed to overcome most problems. This is more of an object lesson to would-be builders how to overcome the inequities of life.

As for the inner sleeve we'll see later how I deal with them. Patience.

In case you hadn't seen it yet, there's a pic of two imperator-class titans on BoLS:

Cultivating Ennui:

Once again in spite of the amount of work involved the results are far from breathtaking and I wonder while making up these interim updates that the results are boring to my readers.

https://i.imgur.com/Vw4X6OW.jpg


Suffice it to say I am pleased how this is coming out

https://i.imgur.com/B1XklYw.jpg


Even in it's rough state with only one barrel mounted the Hellstorm Cannon gives the impression of raw power

https://i.imgur.com/joc4Pzl.jpg


And will be a worthy companion to the Plasma Blaster

Don't take a lack of replies as boredom. I think most of us find the build to be very interesting as it is completely out of scope for what most of use would even think of trying to do.

No boredom here, just stuck at work where my company blocks a lot of content, unfortunately your pics get blocked. So I sit at work seeing updates and have to sit in agony till I get home and can see the wonderous progress.

How about JB Weld, or their new JB Weld for plastics? Both are a two-part epoxy I've used with high success, and am very happy with the new plastic weld.

Personally love every update you do, and the wonder at the meticulous detail.

On the glue front, have you tried pipe solvent. I find it works quite well on styrene too, as well as epvc and pvc pipe. Only trouble I have had is being solvent based, if you are a little heavy handed it "melts" thinner styrene sheet materials. But used sparingly has been a good one for me.

My boss likes Oatey's Multipurpose Cement for PVC. But as a cement, it'd probably do fine with multi-material bonding. Then again, it's a little gloppy for your sort of precision.

Has anyone tried using a white glue/water mix to protect the polystyrene, then using something else after? Not sure if it would work for materials under load, but it works for the terrain I am building.
For work, I use a ABS and styrene glue from a company called WELD-ON. Pretty expensive for model work considering it comes in gallons. Also have had luck with using caulking (silicone or polyurethane based)

No boredom here, just AWE.

Hellstorm Energy Weapon

Today it started coming together but the post office delayed leaving the barrel inserts so I can't finish the barrel ends.



They leave hundreds of bucks worth of online orders on the front poach in all kinds of foul weather but 12 bucks worth of toilet paper spools is too precious to leave off unattended; ludicrous!

https://i.imgur.com/MpSq7ci.jpg


Yeah I said Toilet Paper Spools; Styrene plastic and spring loaded; I need five of them plus eight for the leg to foot pad stabilizers.

https://i.imgur.com/H8ag4aS.jpg


What else would you use them for goodness sake????

Multiple toilet paper spool holders will probably have you on some sort of government watch list. Hope you didn’t have flight plans for thanksgiving.

Barrel arrangement looks good what overall length did you decide to make Thisbe gun arm?

Spring loaded toilet paper tubes? Please tell me you can load ping-pong balls into the end of this spectacular piece of construction for "realistic plasma action".

 Aeroroot wrote:
Spring loaded toilet paper tubes? Please tell me you can load ping-pong balls into the end of this spectacular piece of construction for "realistic plasma action".

This, so much this!

Ingenious use of bits. And +1 on the pingpong balls

Time To Take Stock.....

After a week hiatus I revived with new inspirations on how to proceed. The Lower sixth of the cannon assembly vexed me until I realized where my problem lay. It is pretty much what is found wrong with a majority of scratchbuilds; they are too square and straight sided. The lower rail needed some slight curvature to the sides and base.

https://i.imgur.com/q3M6lG9.jpg


Fortunately the material I am using has a taper for ease of extraction from the mould.

https://i.imgur.com/biPfc7S.jpg


Playing on that feature I came up with the correct angles to duplicate the artist's rendering.

https://i.imgur.com/10kf0vn.jpg


This will be more apparent in subsequent images.

Yay! Progress! ... Psst BA ... we've missed you

How heavy is that assault cannon. PVC can start to add up in weight. I might be concerned with the gun arm being able to support that.

Lookin' good!

Can't tell from your pics yet, but were you planning on chamfering the barrel edges like they have it in that reference pic you're using?

 Dynas wrote:
How heavy is that assault cannon. PVC can start to add up in weight. I might be concerned with the gun arm being able to support that.

About 2 pounds(916grams) curiously enough just about the same weight as the Sunfury Laser Blaster.


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 Jin wrote:
Lookin' good!

Can't tell from your pics yet, but were you planning on chamfering the barrel edges like they have it in that reference pic you're using?

They are chamfered but hard to tell from the images plus the barrels will receive chamfered inserts to lessen the caliber.

Now here is the 64 dollar question; are the bores in the picture round or oval?

They are drawn at a strange angle, but are for sure oval. I think it is meant to represent a round barrel though.

By the way, Blackadder - I don't know if you've seen it yet or not, but Forgeworld is about to be putting out a new Warbringer class titan. It mounts a rather large Quake Cannon which might inspire you. I believe you've said you're not a fan of large ballistic weapons for titans, and for the most part I'd agree with you, but this might change your mind.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/26/a-new-class-of-titanfw-homepage-post-1/

Bob Lorgar wrote:
By the way, Blackadder - I don't know if you've seen it yet or not, but Forgeworld is about to be putting out a new Warbringer class titan. It mounts a rather large Quake Cannon which might inspire you. I believe you've said you're not a fan of large ballistic weapons for titans, and for the most part I'd agree with you, but this might change your mind.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/26/a-new-class-of-titanfw-homepage-post-1/

The first thing I noticed about this new Titan is the weapons were the same as the Reaver's which gave me the idea that the new titan was an attempt to upgrade the Reaver's appearance and hinted at the size of the new Titan which apparently is little bigger than the Reaver Class.

The thing I am bothered by is the bias that FW displays against Titans for other races and factions.

I was just thinking about the design of any additional guns going on the upper structure of your current project.

And yes, it is supposed to be between the Reaver and Warlord in size.

Please forgive me Blackadder, but talking of other races, and by way of incentive, the race is on buddy...



I am going with removable rooms to make things easier and more playable inside the beasty, just a thought with you looking upwards. Making smaller room boxes that together make the whole.

I am nowhere near your level of brilliance, and I hope you do not mind me sharing here, but thought it may give you a boost to know how much you inspire me.

 Camkierhi wrote:
Please forgive me Blackadder, but talking of other races, and by way of incentive, the race is on buddy...


I am going with removable rooms to make things easier and more playable inside the beasty, just a thought with you looking upwards. Making smaller room boxes that together make the whole.

I am nowhere near your level of brilliance, and I hope you do not mind me sharing here, but thought it may give you a boost to know how much you inspire me.

Ha! I should have gone Orc. I agonize over a fraction of a millimeter discrepancy. The OrcK corral* motif is funtastic


*Wyatt Earp: reference OK Corral

Wow I can’t get over the fine work you have done on this. I think you have a better supply of evergreen styrene then most hobby shops I ever visited.

Dave

I think I'll Have To Add Another Barrel:

Not much going on with the model these days. I've got 3/4 of a year working on these two guns and am nowhere near finished. For example today I spent reducing the bore of the five o'clock position barrel which gratifyingly finally looks right (to me).

https://i.imgur.com/FdGlpjo.jpg


I did a quick setup of the hull to take these pictures and have something posted before Christmas.

https://i.imgur.com/xGathUi.jpg


I made the barrels extra long so I could adjust the length with a minimum of refabricating

https://i.imgur.com/kko672F.jpg


it seems I must adjust them by a ninth

https://i.imgur.com/oHB0eGA.jpg


To match the picture and the Sunfury Annihilator Turbo Laser.

Have a Happy Holiday.

Couldn’t wait to get home to see the update, my stupid work blocks your pictures . Really great seeing the Titan beginning to take on more shape with the body and arms positioned together.

Keep up the glorious work. Merry Christmas.

That is shaping up to be another great looking weapon!

Weapons are looking gorgeous, BA. And the face is looking very scary in that last pic!

The head needs a Santa hat

A Cog Disc

The more I build this thing the more I think these are actually revolving barrels. But they are energy weapons so what is the point???

Anyway my production schedule has been compromised by the Holiday Festivities I made time today to make the Cogged backing chamber for the barrels

https://i.imgur.com/10kf0vn.jpg


You can see by the image below that it looks like the backing plate and the barrels rotate as a single piece

https://i.imgur.com/C5XZ2u6.jpg


Anyway the component is straight forward and simple to replicate thanks to the Waffle material; the Fluorescent Light Diffuser Panel.

https://i.imgur.com/fpkT8hb.jpg

Do you not see the big square L-bracket that is between the gear and the barrels?

Yeah no I don’t think that that barrel turns from the way that L bracket is mounted. No space for the gear.

Alrighty then, I got some WORK I did for you. I threw up a quick and dirty 3d model in Blender, matching it as closely as I could to the picture.



As you can see, this is fairly close to the image. But, in making it, I discovered some... wonky bits.

For example...



Did you realize that the bottom arm, in order to both be as wide as the back bracket, and be as narrow as that front mounting support, has to taper, a LOT?

Also, speaking of brackets-



This is the "L-bracket" we were talking about. Note how it's between the gear and the barrels, and there doesn't appear (in the titan picture) to be any bearings or races for spinning. So unless the barrels are mounted to a central shaft with NO breech whatsoever (and there's no wear or oil streaks suggesting rotation on the plate) then they have to be stationary.

If you want the Blender file, I could put that up online as well.

Anvildude wrote:
Alrighty then, I got some WORK I did for you. I threw up a quick and dirty 3d model in Blender, matching it as closely as I could to the picture.

Did you realize that the bottom arm, in order to both be as wide as the back bracket, and be as narrow as that front mounting support, has to taper, a LOT?

This is the "L-bracket" we were talking about. Note how it's between the gear and the barrels, and there doesn't appear (in the titan picture) to be any bearings or races for spinning. So unless the barrels are mounted to a central shaft with NO breech whatsoever (and there's no wear or oil streaks suggesting rotation on the plate) then they have to be stationary.

If you want the Blender file, I could put that up online as well.

Wow! This is an interesting reveal and I do appreciate the amount of work you put into these 3D drawings. Much of what you discovered is certainly worth my investigation but you cannot take the artist's work too literally otherwise the cannons' bore would be decidedly oval or elliptical and the Titan itself would have to be standing in a deep valley behind the Mountain crags in the foreground plus the suspicious perspective of the various ladders and access panel/doors visible at either end of the barrels.

While this is one of my favorite Warlord paintings I do not subscribe to an ambulatory combat vehicle several orders of magnitude larger than physically probable.

Interesting that you used Blender. I toyed with the idea of learning to use Blender but cannot find the time with my new workload. This is the first post on any forum I frequent in quite some time and so impressed was I at the magnitude of your effort I had to respond to you.

Thanks,

B

Yeah, Blender's nice as a hobby program, because of it's free nature, and how much you can do with the single program- it's also got a lot of learning resources out there for free as well. But I will admit that it is DEEP. Like, I've been using it for almost a decade and there's still a ton I haven't even scraped the surface on.

So about that pvc to styrene thing.

just the other night i was watching some prop maker named odin who was doing the barber-sol can from Jurassic park.

Apparently you can glue pvc to styrene using weld-on 4 cement (IIRC)

will double check later when i can but if it does then neat.

Eight into Five just don't go evenly;

Cogs that is. Yeah I know but that's what the image calls for. It was either eight or nine and there wasn't space for nine cogs. I could have done six but the spacing would have been too great. No matter how you slice it the revolving chamber just doesn't work. But you know I just don't care anymore. I'm tired of playing with these guns

https://i.imgur.com/M7Jc32J.jpg


Last night was the first time in three weeks I actually had time to work on this thing since New Years.

https://i.imgur.com/xMwHSlu.jpg


I've decided that the 5 barrels remain stationary and the cylinder revolves. Don't ask me how or why but dimmit that's the way it's gotta be.

https://i.imgur.com/qYlONTk.jpg


Now I've gotta adjust the barrel length and the support carriage.

https://i.imgur.com/mCUqsMZ.jpg


And get this show back on the road.

https://i.imgur.com/dOnd5s2.jpg

It is very easy to imagine the loader/breech rotating to feed the fixed barrels. That's my story, and I'm sticking with it!

--B.

This is what happens when the illustrator's don't try to make a working model first.

Or the rotation of the gear drives some sort of massive magnetic coil that causes a helical magnetic field which guides the LASERs.

I think that for your sanity and the ongoing progress of this project, you made the right call.

Egad! I've forgotten how this thing goes together!

It's been six or so months since this Emperor Titan took a header (fortunately without sustaining much damage) and it was, at the time, inexpedient to reassemble the completed components. So this past week I've been trying to figure out HOW I BUILT THE D@MNED THING! All the body components interlock together without glue to facilitate assembly and disassembly (So I can add the interior detail when I get to it) but there are 20 to 30 major components and the sequence of how they are assembled has been trial and error. HA!

https://i.imgur.com/ErYsfTT.jpg


Anyway here is what it looked like before it toppled and we can go from there.

Yay! He's back

What I'm really looking forward to is what you do with the top (cathedral?) level. Will you be scratching everything, or using some of GW's buildings?

 War Drone wrote:
Yay! He's back

What I'm really looking forward to is what you do with the top (cathedral?) level. Will you be scratching everything, or using some of GW's buildings?

It's a good question but I won't be using GW's buildings as such but cut them up as needed as shown on the lower body and I'll tell you why.

There are many Emperor Titans made of GW's CoD and they look odd to me because the buildings are boxy and Titans are too square looking just stacking buildings above their shoulders.

Aesthetically a vehicle's superstructure should taper. Even the Box-like greaves on My own Titan taper toward the top.

Just so you know I've been following your various projects for years. I often only come onto dakka just to check if this plog has an update.

I get the feeling that it's been a bit of a slog getting the weapons sorted but I hope you manage to get your momentum back for the rest of this incredible build!

 The_Blackadder wrote:
It's been six or so months since this Emperor Titan took a header (fortunately without sustaining much damage) and it was, at the time, inexpedient to reassemble the completed components.

When we try to recreate our own titans based on this thread, are we allowed to skip the "dropping from height" step or is it essential?

It's an important part of the 'weathering' process. It simulates Titan-to-Titan combat damage.

Looks great!! Very awesome!

But I think that the arms extend out a bit too much. In the artwork it looks like the weapons are pretty close to the body, not that far.

Blackadder, I think I've said this before, but you keep proving my point.

You are a special kind of insane taking on projects like this... and thank the gods for it.

What a beast! Always loved the "titans with a cathedral on top" schtick. Great to see it with a scale figure.

A Crash Test Dummy:

Is building this Titan.

I wish I could blame this on the cat or something but instead I am making inroads into stupidity.

I was going to show the interior with the positioning plugs I have been working on for the past few days but instead here we see a pile of rubble which was the inner levels of the interior.

https://i.imgur.com/ZzEMFGN.jpg


Fortunately its not all as bad as it seems in spite of falling the same 5 feet again in much the same trajectory as the previous fall a couple of days ago although the computer chair did not intervene to soften the mishap this time so a few items actually did break this time.

As I type the glue is drying and most of the damage is repaired (I'm getting good at it by now)

Anyway, with hope, I'll be able to photograph the aligning plugs later today.

Crikey!

I think you are getting to the point where you need a scaffold to support that thing in construction!

In fact, judging by the number of falls, I think you are past that point

Quarter Galleries:

For lack of a better term this is the area I'll be working on

https://i.imgur.com/gjLeebc.jpg


The images are pretty much self explanatory; I'll be framing out the "Quarter Galleries" with cut Florescent light panel waffle diffusers purchased at Home Depot.
https://i.imgur.com/rr4ohCP.jpg


The panels are made of very hard and brittle styrene plastic but are plenty durable for framing and is cheap compared to hobby shop styrene. About 4 feet long and about 2 feet wide metric users can do the math....

https://i.imgur.com/FrpJg0s.jpg

 The_Blackadder wrote:

For lack of a better term this is the areas I'll be working on

Looks to be its love handles.

 Desubot wrote:

 The_Blackadder wrote:

For lack of a better term this is the areas I'll be working on

Looks to be its love handles.

Well if they help it not fall over, then I will definitely love them

It Fits:

It's going to take a bit of alteration but the rear panels fit.

https://i.imgur.com/60ZdWz1.jpg


And although I'll have to change the shape of the galleries a tad it will provide me with an exterior promenade for the upper echelon Adeptus Mechanicus

https://i.imgur.com/VWxZExv.jpg


Back to the interior I'm about ready to install the ceiling support beams that so dressed up my Warlord's interior plus the upper gallery handrails and of course the Tech Priests altar to the Machine Gods.

https://i.imgur.com/nUiSuH3.jpg

The Ground Floor:

Actually about one hundred fifty feet above the ground but what the hey. The superstructure of this Titan is what makes it unique and I've been putting it off long enough trying to come up with something earthshaking. Try as I might I just cannot top Joazzz2's incredible architecture so I'll just copy that so first the gatehouse battlements sometimes called the barbican.

https://i.imgur.com/WaYJaCe.jpg

I just watched the finale of Helsreach, and I can confirm, in that video, the barrels of the gun do NOT rotate.

--B.

Never Be Afraid:

To take the plunge. If the wine is sour, don't throw it out; make vinegar.

Something just didn't look right about these two barbicans but until they were sheathed I couldn't quite figure it out.

https://i.imgur.com/f9QGDXh.jpg


Ultimately I realized they were too tall.

https://i.imgur.com/267X9Ne.jpg


A couple of minutes with a razor saw and utility knife demonstrated I was right and through careful surgery I managed to save the upper section for the second stage of the construct.

Looking good, sorry for lack of replies lately, my home WiFi was messed up for a while and my stupid work network blocks images from wherever you store your pics.

Every update makes this even more of a reality. I knew you’d do it, but each one is like “WOW, never thought I’d see a good looking one done in my lifetime “.

 The_Blackadder wrote:
The more I build this thing the more I think these are actually revolving barrels. But they are energy weapons so what is the point???

FWIW, the description of the Hellstorm Cannon in the Epic Titan Legions game that first introduced Imperator Titans to the 40K setting in 1994 states that it fires shells (i.e. it's not an energy weapon) and that the barrels do indeed rotate.

Of course, the box art for that very game shows an Imperator whose Hellstorm barrels cannot possibly rotate, and which also seem to be shooting energy beams rather than shells! I put that down to John Blanche's usual weirdness, but later descriptions seem to have been based on that artwork rather than the rulebook text.

 Duskweaver wrote:

 The_Blackadder wrote:
The more I build this thing the more I think these are actually revolving barrels. But they are energy weapons so what is the point???

FWIW, the description of the Hellstorm Cannon in the Epic Titan Legions game that first introduced Imperator Titans to the 40K setting in 1994 states that it fires shells (i.e. it's not an energy weapon) and that the barrels do indeed rotate.

Of course, the box art for that very game shows an Imperator whose Hellstorm barrels cannot possibly rotate, and which also seem to be shooting energy beams rather than shells! I put that down to John Blanche's usual weirdness, but later descriptions seem to have been based on that artwork rather than the rulebook text.

The youtube Helsreach video part 11 at 2 minutes 37 seconds into the video shows ''Invigilator'' in battle with a Mega Gargant. The Hellstorm barrels fire in succession clockwise but do not rotate. WHOA! A living breathing Emperor Titan!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqUSHhWErdY

Cool!

Exercise In Tedium:

The problem with building so large a model is the tedious repetitious building of identical parts.

https://i.imgur.com/OF077uL.jpg


Even an assembly line approach does not sufficiently relieve the boredom.

https://i.imgur.com/s9hNX7D.jpg

Keep at it, Black-y. You're doing sterling work.

I cheated:

I wanted to see what the Citadel would look like so I put the lower leg structures on the deck behind the Barbicans.

https://i.imgur.com/lQyxVjb.jpg


I think this might amount to something after all

https://i.imgur.com/zj7gJb6.jpg


From the top view it seems I made the superstructure deck lust big enough.

https://i.imgur.com/EyJfZJN.jpg


And the Barbicans appear to be the right size as well.

Martini Time!

Skoal.

This is so, so, so cool.

That looks great , just needs a little Blackadder pub in there somewhere with a converted you being attended by servo skulls mixing Matrtinis

P.S. I have now watched Helsreach.....WOW

Barbican Spires

The Barbican corner reinforcements have been enclosed and This evening I began creating the ornamental spires to cap the corners.

https://i.imgur.com/srGi6nW.jpg


These are purely decorative being too narrow for occupation.....

https://i.imgur.com/BxOB5tH.jpg


But no doubt they serve some 40K esoteric purpose

https://i.imgur.com/67Rbhhi.jpg


Anyway there are 16 of them and I have managed to complete one and made inroads on seven others before saying ENOUGH!

Simply amazing. A fine God-machine. Truly worthy of the Omnissiah!

That will dominate any battle, and epic pics of it fully painted and in battle will be awesome!

Looking so amazing. Fantastic work.

An Error In Perspective:

One of the major drawbacks of OCD is good enough is never good enough. All the while I was building these Barbicans something just did not seem right about the positioning of the spires until last week when I finally deduced what should have been readily apparent from the get go. The corner buttresses were wrong in shape which would have lead to a mistake in the position of the spires and affected the whole upper structure were it not corrected. After relentlessly studying the 3D images I finally discovered my mistake. The buttresses were rectangular not square.

https://i.imgur.com/s2lXuEW.jpg


Short of rebuilding the whole structure I opted to modify the buttresses which in itself was an arduous task compounded in the further mistake of trying to economize on material. That never works and almost always guarantees more wasted time than than savings in material. Ultimately I went for materiel extravagance and in one day managed to outpace the proceedings week's work.

https://i.imgur.com/rTpodUq.jpg


I hope the images convey were the problem laid and how if not extending the buttresses 9,5 MM the spires would be to cramped together to replicate the 3D art projection. Now I have to readjust the height of the Barbicans pretty much back to my original perception.

The added space does seem to give the spires a bit more space. Glad that you were able to economize a bit on time for the fix.

Can't wait to see more

Leaps and Bounds:

Vis-à-vis ennui. Virtually 99% of this construction is utter boredom. Yesterday I was so jazzed about completing a major milestone with the fabrication of the first tier of the Barbicans I began construction of the second tier.

https://i.imgur.com/3VIX6P7.jpg


Two hours into it and I had the basic structures in hand.

https://i.imgur.com/NOtRSaZ.jpg


Things don't usually happen this way but I have become adept at making these structures. So now the tedium sets in. The best thing I can do is share my basic building techniques while waiting for the glue to dry...........


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Too Conservative:

Back about two years ago when I began this project (Egad, TWO Years!) I figured conservatively that it would take about 2 to 3 years to build this Titan and that it would be about a meter tall 39.36 inches. I just noted that the overall height of the model thus far has reached 48 inches, 1.22 meters, with perhaps another foot (0.3 meters) to go.

https://i.imgur.com/lxyMMtg.jpg


My original intent was to make this Titan one third larger than my Warlord

https://i.imgur.com/Twml1bnl.jpg


But now it appears it will be more than twice as tall at 60 inches (1.5 meters).

First Inkling:

Today I got my first inkling of this model in it's entirety. Up to now I've manufactured separate components but the overall magnitude escaped me. Now I see the full scope of it's height which will be about 5 feet tall so scale-wise at the 25/28 MM the model will stand 336 to 360 feet tall or (102 to 110 meters tall.)

https://i.imgur.com/NFxfldf.jpg


I'm assuming the uppermost spires to add an additional eight to 12 inches to the overall height.

https://i.imgur.com/xha4k2k.jpg


Although some might call that cheating

https://i.imgur.com/g5wNzMc.jpg


Tomorrow I plan to have the other Barbican completed and with luck reassembled with the legs again.

That has to be a record... has there ever been a bigger 40k scale model built? I think not...

These complex structures are amoung the most difficult I have built for this Titan. Considering they will have to bear little weight in comparison they are extremely over built.

https://i.imgur.com/MKAMJX8.jpg


Compounding this the corner towers are octagonal in shape. This does not lend itself readily to the square grid material I have chosen for the substructure. Compensations in the structure have to be made to make the cross section conform to the octagonal shape.

https://i.imgur.com/ofpjp2n.jpg


The top of the Barbicans will have either spires which will increase the height to around 60 inches or AA laser cannon emplacements which will decrease the height to somewhat less; about; 54 inches as far as the Barbicans are concerned.

https://i.imgur.com/2bPuKBl.jpg


The main Keep will be another story.

Are you gonna have a defence laser as well as in the original Epic model?

Vintersorg wrote:
Are you gonna have a defence laser as well as in the original Epic model?

Is this a model Kit?



I want one!

As far as i can tell, it's a kit-bash/scratch-build by a guy named Dave Andrews..

Edit: A Google search for "Assault on Magnir's Crag" will give you some more pictures

 Oestergaard wrote:
As far as i can tell, it's a kit-bash/scratch-build by a guy named Dave Andrews..

Edit: A Google search for "Assault on Magnir's Crag" will give you some more pictures

So what is the cannon called; I'd just as leave not build it from scratch?

It is a defense laser scratchbuilt for a GW mega-battle in the first Apocalypse release. Most of it is constructed from GW parts (like the FW flak turrets and the old Cities of Death tiles) but the laser itself is scratchbuilt from PVC pipe and gubbins. GW provided rules for it for awhile for those who wished to scratchbuild their own.

 Haighus wrote:
It is a defense laser scratchbuilt for a GW mega-battle in the first Apocalypse release. Most of it is constructed from GW parts (like the FW flak turrets and the old Cities of Death tiles) but the laser itself is scratchbuilt from PVC pipe and gubbins. GW provided rules for it for awhile for those who wished to scratchbuild their own.

Love it, Beautiful work. I'll be copying it if you don't mind


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sanctum Sanctorum:.

Awright no comments on the man-cave.

https://i.imgur.com/MBOgm4T.jpg


As you may have gathered I'm single. Who else could dump thousands on stuff I should have outgrown ages ago but hey, I love working on this stuff. Prior to this I built 18th century American warship models plank on frame wood..... but that's for another area of FB

I find styrene a much easier medium to work with and my son was an avid player so Dad obliged him.

I spent the better part of the week building the components seen here. That and my current occupation of President of my Condominium.
https://i.imgur.com/aQgITmu.jpg


The octagonal column center of the image above represents my third attempt to make this part, successfully (Finally) I might add. The secret was, "there are no shortcuts to a quality representation." Eventually I must learn that.

The image below sow the basic work of the remaining seven columns waiting in the wings for the success of the first.

]https://i.imgur.com/bSP02tN.jpg


My apologies for the crudeness of the construction appearance but the basic shape is all I need for the present. The polish and detail will come later.

Oh, feel free to use it!

That design is not mine- it is from a GW walkthrough article explaining how they scratchbuilt the laser for the Apocalypse battle report.

Corner Towers Done......

The basic octagonal structure that is. There are still two levels of surface detail to apply but aside from the AA cannon emplacements this will be the height of the Imperator version of this Titan.
https://i.imgur.com/z7u8CZ9.jpg


I'm so confused as to what the seemingly interchangeable names and classes of the Emperor Titans. Initially I set out to build a Warmonger version to match my Lucius Warlord and Warhound (seen here for scale). Lucie was my first major scratchbuild project and she is slightly more robust compared to the Forge World Warhound Version.

https://i.imgur.com/B8BcNAW.jpg


This aerial view gives a better perspective of the upper deck.

https://i.imgur.com/SV2cXJw.jpg


And finally a head on shot with the various Adeptus Mechanicus Skitarii slated to infest the upper works of this monstrosity.

 The_Blackadder wrote:
Corner Towers Done......


I'm so confused as to what the seemingly interchangeable names and classes of the Emperor Titans. Initially I set out to build a Warmonger version to match my Lucius Warlord and Warhound (seen here for scale). Lucie was my first major scratchbuild project and she is slightly more robust compared to the Forge World Warhound Version.

Um, they aren't even remotely interchangeable. There are two and only two classes

Imperator

Right Arm - Hellstorm Cannon
Left Arm - Plasma Annihilator
Up top - various smaller guns and a defense laser

Warmonger

Right Arm - 8 Doomstrike Missles
Left Arm - Vengeance Cannon
Up top - 4 anti-aircraft batteris, a radar dish, and a landing pad


You can see the two next to each other in this picture


Their loadouts are completely and utterly different.

That is under very old background info though- the same was true of Warlord loadouts then as well.

The most recent Emperor titan rules we have (for Apocalypse 1st edition) allowed the weapons to be interchangeable, and this is likely the route any future Emperor class models and rules would go, to match modern Warlords.

Composite Image:

I've been asked to put this together for an overall image of the work thus far.

Well it's too tall for the work console I have to stack the two major components, legs and torso, plus the whole thing is front heavy at the moment with none of the rear counterweights installed; I'm figuring the completed model will weigh in the neighborhood of two Bowling balls overall weight when finished; i.e.32 pounds or about 14.5 kilo.

https://i.imgur.com/aoOOzdX.jpg


The only other leastwise finished component is the Sunfury Plasma Annihilator which also cannot be mounted until the top and bottom body sections are together.

https://i.imgur.com/D6Tumkw.jpg


But my clumsy photo editing can give you a general idea of where I am heading with this construction.

 The_Blackadder wrote:
Composite Image:

I've been asked to put this together for an overall image of the work thus far.

Well it's too tall for the work console I have to stack the two major components, legs and torso, plus the whole thing is front heavy at the moment with none of the rear counterweights installed; I'm figuring the completed model will weigh in the neighborhood of two Bowling balls overall weight when finished; i.e.32 pounds or about 14.5 kilo.

Spoiler:

https://i.imgur.com/aoOOzdX.jpg

The only other leastwise finished component is the Sunfury Plasma Annihilator which also cannot be mounted until the top and bottom body sections are together.

Spoiler:

https://i.imgur.com/D6Tumkw.jpg

But my clumsy photo editing can give you a general idea of where I am heading with this construction.

This is some incredible stuff. Inspiring! Can't wait to see the final, jaw-dropping result.

Very nice. Cant wait to see it done.

Is it me or is the right leg joint/pvc pipe bowing in a little?

 Dynas wrote:
Very nice. Cant wait to see it done.

Is it me or is the right leg joint/pvc pipe bowing in a little?

It's probably you as well but the fittings are just snug not tightened, No point in exerting myself when I have to loosen these regularly.

Why you have a weights uder the table, when you build a 14 kg titan :p

 Frodeck wrote:
Why you have a weights uder the table, when you build a 14 kg titan :p

1. If he kept them on the table the Titan would get jealous and destroy them.
2. You’ll notice they weight 10(kilos or lbs I’m not sure), but either way he needed to build up his muscles to lift the Titan currently.
3. Counterbalance....one day the Titan might need them.
4. They are vampire dumbbells and thus need to be out of direct sunlight.
5. I have way too much time on my hands and have run out of superlatives to address the real nature of this blog and the work of Blackie so I am just writing this to remind him I am watching this thread actively.

I use them to apply pressure to glue joints that are spread over large areas and a clamp will not do..

Everything clear

Emperor Titan Pelvic Block:

My obsession with having the option of posing my creations Have worked out previously, My scratchbuilt Warhound, Warlord, Thunderhawk and Reaver have the ability to be positioned an virtually any stance even beyond that which is mechanically sound in practice.

With this newest model I hoped to carry on the tradition but it did open up areas of concern. I designed this model to have no swivel fore and aft as in the Warlord and Warhound. I calculated the weigh of the model above the hips would collapse the hip joints were I to attempt functioning ball and socket joints as I did with the other two Titans.

https://i.imgur.com/c9K9SzG.jpg


With that resignation I began the Pelvic Block this weekend.

https://i.imgur.com/iFhj62W.jpg


My original Pelvic Block seen here was naively small compared to the 1.66 meters tall construction this has evolved to. My original estimate of the height was on the order of a meter tall.

https://i.imgur.com/KP3BAfB.jpg

Who else believes that Blackadder is concurrently making a full scale REAL Titan while making this small one to throw us off?

He alredy have a full-scale titan, now he is building scale model

Thanks for the auto append bump
Yesterday Morning:

The Pelvic Block was about 4 inches square. Now it is about 6 inches by 4 inches and the basic shape is established.

https://i.imgur.com/bGo5EXn.jpg


This side view show the shape of the original Block

https://i.imgur.com/bGo5EXn.jpg


The Lower Body Turntable seated above the Block

https://i.imgur.com/U3z32B8.jpg


And the Turntable and Block temporarily installed on the Hips

https://i.imgur.com/xMgbYqm.jpg


This thing literally fell together last night......

https://i.imgur.com/COXuhg8.jpg


Such is the power and convenience of using this waffle material.

I really love this stuff. Not only is it cheap but it virtually removes the problem of squaring up and truing the angles on large constructions. I could never afforded to build this Titan without this material.