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Are there Minor Chaos Gods for any of the major powers of chaos?

I was hoping for some cross blending of two powers to create different  legions or cults rather.  From a purly Fluff point of view. 

 

   
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no not realy but GW is vary vage with the warp (althow you cant wright a 40k book without it) if its just between freiands go a head but i wouldnt take thows rules to a GT

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There have been White Dwarf and other articles about minor deities in the Warhammer Fantasy World, including variations on Chaos worship of the Norsca tribes. You might want to take a look at some of those, either from Warhammer Chronicles etc. for inspiration.

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Oh, for the good old days....like 1992!!!  WAY back in the Rogue Trader days, in the Realms of Chaos books, you could actually create you own Minor Chaos god.  There were charts and everything.  You could even roll up their name on a chart.  I had a few ideas of my own at the time.  There were even ideas about how to make models form them.

This all went away, alas, with most of the fluff in the modern games......oh well.


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Khaine (the Eldar deity) is essentially a cross between Khorne and Slaanesh, having aspects of both.

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The Eldar gods are very different from the chaos gods in that the eldar gods had personalities, conflicts, and adventures that were uniquely eldar. Even Khaine was driven by more than "blood for the blood god". However Slannesh was created by the Eldar psyche and so reflects the hedonistic aspect of their race.

As for minor gods, a great place to look outside of the aforementioned Realms of Chaos is in early warhammer Fantasy role play. many little chaos gods were mentioned.

Lastly just create your own or bring back Malal. The 5th chaos god that was anti- the other gods because they were not chaotic enough.

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Thanks for all the imput.  I wanted to do crosses between the major gods.  The main concept I have is Nurgle /Tzeentch.  I wanted space marines that were infected with diease and plauge caused by another parasitic organism, and because of it mutated and changed. Mind you they are not thousand sons, but they are products of the changer of ways, and Nurgle.  With the new rules you can combine the different cults and make some interesting army designs.  I also wanted the army to flow as one but combine the 2 different rules for plauge marines, and thousand sons, and the lore of both armies. 

 

   
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A cross between Nurgle and Tzeentch... if your looking for Fluff that, as one of my friends would describe it, would be called a "Fluff Abortion". Those two gods don't get along at all. Never have. That would be like a bunch of Berserkers going to a sunday BBQ with a group of Noise Marines.

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I always thought that Khorne didn't get along with Tzeentch, due to the magic/ anti magic aspect, and that nurgle didn't get along with Slaanesh.  I know they changed the love/ hate of the cults a while ago but what cults do get along with each other now?
   
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Khorne hates Slaanesh because of basic philosophy. Despite the whole "berzerker" think, Khorne was supposed to be about martial prowess through control. Slaanesh is all about giving into excesses and just letting go. They where anethema to each other.

As for Nurgle and Tzeench, one is all about change, the other is about stagnation. The two powers are pretty much opposites of each other.

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An offspring of Nurgle and Tzeentch seems just as plausible as an offspring of Khorne and Slaanesh, to me.

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In my opinion, one of the ways this could work out would be if some berzerkers took so much pleasure in killing that they began to exhibit slaaneshi characteristics i.e; general Slaaneshi creepiness, tentacles, cock tongues, lolidemonettes... Or if the muck and mire of the battlefield and the constant exposure to rotting corpses and decay and all that jazz caused a disease amongst some berzerkers and nurgle reared his ugly head.


Regardless of whats happening though, all the chaos gods enjoy what they do, so wouldnt that kinda just be doing a service to Slaanesh... or am i just completely wrong on that.
   
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I don't think so. Khorne worshipers don't kill for pleasure, they kill out of religious duty. They find Slaaneshi's enjoyment of battle to be lewd, unseemly, and insufficiently serious.

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Mm. Thats a damn good point you make there.

What about the whole Nurgle thing though?

It seems like, fluff wise, that everyone who's taken up Nurgle's  banner has done so quite accidentally. Such as the Death Guard for instance. but even still, that would imply that the Berzerkers could even have enough humanity left within them to take much heed of the disease overcoming their bodies. So maybe that whole scenario is rendered moot by the fact that Berzerkers cant even think any thoughts beyond Maim, Burn, Kill.

I dont know, still a cool idea though.
   
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Doesn't/didn't Abaddon have a Mark of Supderduper Chaos or something, i.e. he has the blessings of all the Chaos Gods? Maybe one would have to be someone really exceptional for this to happen (has it been known to happen to anyone other than Abaddon and Horus himself?), but it does seem possible in principle.

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Posted By tegeus-Cromis on 09/15/2007 12:57 AM
Doesn't/didn't Abaddon have a Mark of Supderduper Chaos or something, i.e. he has the blessings of all the Chaos Gods? Maybe one would have to be someone really exceptional for this to happen (has it been known to happen to anyone other than Abaddon and Horus himself?), but it does seem possible in principle.

  I'm not sure about Abaddon, but I know that Archaon did. 

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Apparently he does. Mark of Chaos Ascendant.

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Pariah Press wrote: I don't think so. Khorne worshipers don't kill for pleasure, they kill out of religious duty. They find Slaaneshi's enjoyment of battle to be lewd, unseemly, and insufficiently serious.


you obviously havent read Let the Galaxy Burn

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You could always worship Malaal and just have a go at all other Chaos gods.

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tegeus-Cromis wrote:Apparently he does. Mark of Chaos Ascendant.


Aye he has gained the respect of each of the gods in turn without becoming subservient. Thats why you can't combine a Khorne Berserker and a Plague marine. They are followers of the god while Abaddon was so bad ass (Insert more fluffy term here) the gods bestowed upon him their Mark. Maybe it was something like the Trials of Hercules or something(Only with more carnage). The question of course comes down to which gods Mark did he get first.

So I suppose if a unit or renegade chapter/legion wanted to receive the blessings of 2 or more gods without being subservient they would really have to work their asses off as a collective and still run the risk of becoming too Khorne-y and not enough like Nurgle(Or vice versa)

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By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!

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I wonder why no one mentioned the horned rat. It is actually a minor Chaos god, not Nurgle in a dress. Well okay it is Fantasy and pretty much the same aspects as nurgle but not him. There was actually said something about the raptors while the time of 3.ed that they pray to one or more diffrent chaos gods and that the whole spiky armour thing is maybe some kind of minor chaos god worshipping.
What I miss a bit is the real clever use of the warp like eldar do. Look at all the Chaos powers they are just raw and destructiv [except for the whip and warptime (which are the best ones)] no hole unit curses like -1 to BS or Sv. That would be a nice idea a god you just represents the hole damnation bringing despair not by an human aspect but plain evilness. There maybe the reason mentioned that all gods are bad human habbits being just evil is a bad habbit, too.

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I'll admit it would be cool to create some Minor gods, Even if they were just named Greater Daemons who got powerful.

And as for more refined uses of the Warp it would be cool in Apocalypse even to be able to create your own Chaotic strategic assets.
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By the 37 keys of Tzeentch,We open the way for our brothers,
By the 1000 whispers of Slaanesh we call to them,
By the 12 plagues of Nurgle we fell their enemies,
And by the mighty axe of Khorne we cut open the world for them!

- Ritual of Summoning, Recited by Amphion and Zethus Dark Sorcerers of the Deimos Peninsula,Kronos


 
   
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http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Gods - For an overview of the major ones

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Malal

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necoho

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zuvassin

You might want to check out these others as well, for some takes on minor chaos gods. As always, consider the source (if any)

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