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Uh, anything used to measure the quality of life?
Are you seriously wanting me to go into a full break down of why exactly life on a Daemon world would be worse than literally any other habitable planet or are you going to use some critical thinking?

Well one of things that I’m saying is that the worst it could be in either realm is equal. Mortarian grew up on a planet where they lived below a cloud of toxic gas and were hunted by a ruling class that lived above the toxic cloud. And before you say that was pre crusade, life for the people on the lower levels of necromunda isn’t much different.

At least on a demon world you have the option to devote yourself to god, earn some favour and reward. Even if that comes in the form of tentacles. Doesn’t happen in the imperium, there’s a reason they call the emperor a false god.

There are worlds run by the imperial cult that forces all inhabitants into constant worship and flagellation believing that their suffering is achieving something holy

Couple things.

The Emperor is called False because the Traitor Legions viewed him as a liar and a coward. Horus was the true Emperor of Mankind.
The Word Bearers were the only Legion to view his falseness from a place of piety and religion.

Secondly, everything bad about the Imperium is worse with Chaos because of the Gods.
Pledging oneself to a God means jack all when the vast majority can do nothing to make that devotion mean anything. Chances are it either goes horribly wrong and they are turned into a Daemon puppet or a Spawn.
Very few Chaos worshippers actually get anywhere meaningful with their devotion. Even most Astartes don't actually see any boon from the Gods. Even when mutations start to show, it's not necessarily the Gods that did it but rather just the highly mutative properties of living in the Warp.
Living under the Imperium is marginally better than under Chaos because saying prayers to the Emperor doesn't come with the chance of turning you into a pile of screaming meat because the God you prayed to found it funny.

It's all awful, but being a Chaos slave is just worse.

You have to remember that an army need there slaves/poeple even csm need to eat, repair, re-arm there equipment and thats not done by csm. and those helping the csm need also be cared of. there will be strong/sadistic rule govenering them but there will be some sort of normal life for those working for the many many warbands

 Gert wrote:
Couple things.

The Emperor is called False because the Traitor Legions viewed him as a liar and a coward. Horus was the true Emperor of Mankind.
The Word Bearers were the only Legion to view his falseness from a place of piety and religion.

Secondly, everything bad about the Imperium is worse with Chaos because of the Gods.
Pledging oneself to a God means jack all when the vast majority can do nothing to make that devotion mean anything. Chances are it either goes horribly wrong and they are turned into a Daemon puppet or a Spawn.
Very few Chaos worshippers actually get anywhere meaningful with their devotion. Even most Astartes don't actually see any boon from the Gods. Even when mutations start to show, it's not necessarily the Gods that did it but rather just the highly mutative properties of living in the Warp.
Living under the Imperium is marginally better than under Chaos because saying prayers to the Emperor doesn't come with the chance of turning you into a pile of screaming meat because the God you prayed to found it funny.

It's all awful, but being a Chaos slave is just worse.

From what I’ve read, most choas worshippers like the mutations and and machinations of the gods. Although the behaviour required to achieve the favour of the gods, or avoid the wrath of them, is evil by our standards it is embraced by the followers. And nurgle takes away suffering, no one else can say that


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 skeleton wrote:
You have to remember that an army need there slaves/poeple even csm need to eat, repair, re-arm there equipment and thats not done by csm. and those helping the csm need also be cared of. there will be strong/sadistic rule govenering them but there will be some sort of normal life for those working for the many many warbands

Yeah some warlords will seek to dominate their serfs though physical domination, threat and oppression. Of the worst kind imaginable. Some however will see the logic in winning loyalty through providing a level quality of life. Like a pirate captain stopping his crew from rebelling by ensuring a continuous supply of booze, food and a big enough share of the bounty to pay for their drinking and whoring.

 Gert wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

Except that we know that loyalist Scum chapters actively maintain feudal/death worlds for the express purposes of them providing "better aspirants".

And I have trouble understanding of your point of "It's better to be ripped apart and killed by a "natural predator" than a Daemon". Dead is dead. Though I'll agree that no one wants to be an "art project" of some CSM warriors.

And Chaos Warbands have their bases on the literal plains of Hell and if they do take a real-space location, it's just as bad.

And "Dead" is not "Dead" when it comes to death by Daemon. A bear isn't going to claim your soul and use it as a plaything until it gets bored and consumes it. Your corpse isn't going to get used as a puppet to bring death and destruction if you get killed by a not-dinosaur.

Hmmm.....no. But loyalists will absolutely use a human or failed aspirant as a servitor, which is "mostly brainwashed", but still with enough remaining grey matter to understand and fully experience the absolute hell of its existence.

Seriously, Gert, can you please stop attacking the Traitor Legions, while defending your beloved Imperium, long enough to actually address the question of this thread? I get it, you're an Imperium First kind of person, but please, mind the OP.

I thought servitors were all criminals. Being made into one because you failed to make the mark to become astartes is brutal.

I think we also need to remember that human emotion is the stuff that choas is made of (as well as other psychic races. So it stands to reason that chaos civilisation will only mirror the worst parts of human civilisation. But without the pretence of righteousness

mrFickle wrote:
I thought servitors were all criminals. Being made into one because you failed to make the mark to become astartes is brutal.

I think we also need to remember that human emotion is the stuff that choas is made of (as well as other psychic races. So it stands to reason that chaos civilisation will only mirror the worst parts of human civilisation. But without the pretence of righteousness

Depends on the planet/organisation, some places it’s just criminals, others more mundane failures, or even in some cases (particularly where corrupt nobles or the mechanicus is involved) just because.

Tbh I would imagine the worst Chaos living conditions are probably worse than the worst Imperial ones, and the same likely applies to the average conditions as well.

But I’d wager that there’s still a good chunk of people living under Chaos that are having a much better time of it than most of those living under ‘the bloodiest and most brutal regime imaginable’, and even the average Chaos slave is probably still doing better than a not insignificant amount of the dregs of Imperial society.

Scratch that. I'm not continuing a discussion with people who resort to nonsense like that Gad. If you don't get it by this point that I'm not some Imperium fanboy then I'm sorely disappointed in you.