Monkeysloth wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
That's basically what Guild Ball tried. They repackaged the game into a very board game style. Godtear is sold in a very similar manner. Clearly that wasn't a huge success for the former but the latter feels more built to support it so I suppose we'll see.

Personally, I find the static sculpts of pre-built PVC pretty limiting in this regard. I don't hate it all that much, but Guild Ball's move to boy band poses definitely dulled my interest compared to the original sculpts that conveyed a lot of motion. Godtear is a little hit or miss but the larger figures work better outside of swords and other thin pieces.

Just quoting this part but replying to the whole thread of yours.

Again I think it's what you want out of it. How many people who play wargames actually bother to ever do anything more the assemble the miniatures and prime them a base color? I don't know if we've ever really seen a good polling but it's at least half. How many people care if the parts are a bit bendy? I doubt many as well as back when I did frequent stores more often there sure where a lot of people with minis missing parts, having broken detail (as one drop and it can be done for). I know there's people that clearly care about painted armies and good looking casts but I do believe they're just the vocal minority in the community but they're more what the game manufacturers target as that group is the most likely to switch and start a new game and start word of mouth but it limits growth in the long term as there's a limit of who you can reach catering to that crowed.

I don't think what killed guildball was it's move to more static poses (though I can understand why you didn't like them) and I personally don't think easy to assemble pvc that's more dynamic would be that much of a barrier to a lot of people especially if it was just "glue this leg on" or, you know, they could just be assembled at the factory like Reaper Bones are for smaller things. It's all stuff that can be worked around, but SFG clearly just went the cheaper route (though I really like their PVC line and have it all). But I'm also not unaware of the huge upfront cost to release anything in PVC.

Maybe because of the cost of plastics and how metal and resin are so much more affordable to produce (and lower risk financially) and those inherently cater to a smaller group of people we really can't see a broader breakout of wargames until there's a 3dprinter that cheap enough, fast enough to replace the other means of production which could break that barrier to entry but still appease the hardcore wargamers that love the more hobby aspect. That might not be for say 20-30 years when maybe you can just buy all your minis pre-painted and pre-posed (how you want) and custom printed for not much more then we pay now. I do think the eventually future of the games (if they don't move 100% to AR) is a heroforged like system where you choose the character model/unit. Pose and choose equipment from what they're allowed to use and then order and you get them a few days later. Where a game store will fit into that I don't know.

 LunarSol wrote:


It's definitely a curious thing to consider. You definitely see a good chunk of people that don't paint, but I'm not sure that means that model quality is unimportant to them. I've just not seen games without mediocre sculpts really take off (with perhaps the exception of Clix) but you see people playing games with gorgeous models and terrible rules all the time.

I think it comes down to inspiration. Even if you're not the best painter in the world, a good sculpt still tells a subconcious story that your imagination can more than make up for, particularly if you've seen a studio paint job on it.

More than anything, new exciting releases seem to drive the hype cycle that determines what's hot. Even if its not for your faction, a big exciting release for a game seems to invigorate players into playing and buying more. The low hobby releases just haven't pulled that off with the exception of X-Wing.

Thinking on it, I'm curious how much that is a result of these games not having sculpts that excite players or whether it might have to do with release schedule logistics of outsourced manufacturing. It really seems like companies that go the PVC route in particular just don't have enough control over manufacturing timelines to be able to schedule new release hype.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
This is an interesting point as it's very true. Well except the Clix don't have good sculpts, most of their sculpts are very good but painted very poorly and possibly translated poorly to the plastic being used.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
A common phrase up in the infinity news thread, you'd be familiar with but for others that don't know, is "it looks odd but I need to wait and see it painted" as many of the grays we see from pre-release announcements for that line really put off a number of people but once it's cast up and painted generally the opinions in the thread shift from slightly negative/neutral to somewhere along the positive.

 aphyon wrote:
After building and painting so many minis over the years i am pretty well tired of that side of the hobby. i still knock out the epic scale/battletech stuff pretty fast but as far as 28mm goes the only thing i am currently building up is a DUST FALLSCHIRMJÄGER army but i decided to go the premium route of fully assembled and painted. the quality is surprisingly very good. some of the facial features could use a little bit more work but overall it is top notch including textured bases and weathering/paint scoring.

marxlives wrote:
I am pretty excited about the narrative leagues and Frostgrave-ish, Fallen Corvis that LOS is going to release for next year.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Off topic sir! This is the 2020 discussion thread!!

 Valander wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Off topic sir! This is the 2020 discussion thread!!

In a way it's pretty sad that the "state of Warmahordes" boils down to the fan community doing (what looks to be good) work because PP isn't.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Valander wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Off topic sir! This is the 2020 discussion thread!!

In a way it's pretty sad that the "state of Warmahordes" boils down to the fan community doing (what looks to be good) work because PP isn't.

I thought this was discussed earlier as PP kind of doesn't do these things due to worry about angering the hard core base that doesn't think there should be anything but Steamroller. Hungerford did an interview last year kind of hinting at that when asked about Brawlmachine. But he also said that he did provide some feedback on Brawlmachine to the group making it. So PP could be helping out with some rules feedback for these new game modes too.

They're basically trapped by a base that only wants the game to be a narrow thing but they're also the people they buy the product. If they try to expand to bring in new people that base has expressed displeasure and PP isn't large enough atm to buck them since they're the companies main source of income. I think that's why they're doing other games too. That base really doesn't care that Riot Quest exists but does seam to care if more casual game modes are supported for Warmahordes. I've stopped trying to really keep track of all the ways the game is in a hole to be honest.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Looking Ahead to 2021 article. There's some really cool stuff in there, and I like the "Cadres" for Warcaster.

Is there anything similar in Warmahordes currently?

Kanluwen wrote:Looking Ahead to 2021 article. There's some really cool stuff in there, and I like the "Cadres" for Warcaster.

Is there anything similar in Warmahordes currently?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Elsewhere, across the universe, a new war storms across the Thousand Worlds of the Hyperuranion. The third Kickstarter campaign for Warcaster: Neo-Mechanika will kick off mid-year with expansions for all four of Warcaster’s Factions, introducing new Cadres into the game for the first time. Each Cadre will consist of an assortment of elite models as well as a special centerpiece to expand the armies of Warcaster with new powers and abilities.