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neiltj1 wrote:

grizgrin wrote:What's an E-figures?

http://www.e-figures.com/

US gaming distributor

Good little company, in business for about a year, and bringing in a great line of products. I order from them about 3 times a month for my stores.

THat's a hell of a recommendation right htere, too. Thanks, mikhaila and neiltj1.

BTW, Neil: I saw that tatoo you have as an avatar done in red ink on a strippers back one. Beautiful.

You know... I like you grizgrin, you're good people.

? Well, I'm glad you think so. Thank you. You should have caught my previously shut-down avatar.

grizgrin wrote:
BTW, Neil: I saw that tatoo you have as an avatar done in red ink on a strippers back one. Beautiful.

wow. bet that was nice. I found it on the cover of a journal and have been using it ever since. Your avatar is awesome as heck.

I think what is lost on people is the "process" to cut the foam, not just cutting foam. While Romeo could be viewed as "going off" or "has no tact", people should look from his side and see that he is defending his product(with patent law and lawyers), like he should. What alot of people do not now is that these to guys have a pass and it has only gotten worse...

Foam Corps is ripping off BF and I know this for a fact, since I know Romeo and the Foam Corp owner.

Just so you guys know the foam war is over, before it ever began.....

Cheers

I have to say I like that lower section better than BF but I imagine that it'll suffer the same issue as the BF one for me.... (international shipping) cmon folks lets get us a UK foamsmith.

It's just a foam cutter with a custom pattern.

Sure, the pattern can be copyrighted, just like any other design.

But patent? How the hell is that even possible to be patented? Does nobody else in the world know how to cut custom foam?

I believe one can get custom foam done by several vendors, so I don't see what's special.

Does BF having the rights to the custom-cut foam mean that Sabol has the right to the pull and pluck foam?

Romeo may want to watch which sleeping dog he lets lie here.

kinghammer wrote:I think what is lost on people is the "process" to cut the foam, not just cutting foam. While Romeo could be viewed as "going off" or "has no tact", people should look from his side and see that he is defending his product(with patent law and lawyers), like he should. What alot of people do not now is that these to guys have a pass and it has only gotten worse...

Foam Corps is ripping off BF and I know this for a fact, since I know Romeo and the Foam Corp owner.

Just so you guys know the foam war is over, before it ever began.....

Cheers

Please post Romeo's Patent number. Then he might earn some credability. He doesn't have one and if you know Romeo, you know that's true.

grizgrin wrote:? Well, I'm glad you think so. Thank you. You should have caught my previously shut-down avatar.

The bouncing boobs .gif? Yeah, twas a shame to see it go. That's happened to me on other forums too. Like it's my fault I love boobs like H.B.M.C. loves the 3.5 Chaos Codex?

But the new one isn't that bad =)

Neconilis wrote:

grizgrin wrote:? Well, I'm glad you think so. Thank you. You should have caught my previously shut-down avatar.

The bouncing boobs .gif? Yeah, twas a shame to see it go. That's happened to me on other forums too. Like it's my fault I love boobs like H.B.M.C. loves the 3.5 Chaos Codex?

But the new one isn't that bad =)

Tits are great. Actually, I shut it down because a friend pointed out that even with the "censor-spot" someone could sign onto dakka at work and get insta-canned. I took it down immediately.

Simplicity can have a beauty all it's own. It's poetry, albveit this verse is pretty riebald. "There once was a lady from Venus,..."


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kinghammer wrote:... since I know Romeo and the Foam Corp owner.

Just so you guys know the foam war is over, before it ever began.....

Cheers

And some expansion here please? Not asking about state secrets, but would be really curious here. And I ain't the only one, I bet...

San Mateo wrote:

kinghammer wrote:I think what is lost on people is the "process" to cut the foam, not just cutting foam. While Romeo could be viewed as "going off" or "has no tact", people should look from his side and see that he is defending his product(with patent law and lawyers), like he should. What alot of people do not now is that these to guys have a pass and it has only gotten worse...

Foam Corps is ripping off BF and I know this for a fact, since I know Romeo and the Foam Corp owner.

Just so you guys know the foam war is over, before it ever began.....

Cheers

Please post Romeo's Patent number. Then he might earn some credability. He doesn't have one and if you know Romeo, you know that's true.

Well my good friend do you know what "patent pending" means? He is in the process of getting one, thats what that means. Once it becomes a patent he will have a number and you could look it up yourself. By the way once he gets a patent, it will no longer be "patent pending". I hope I cleared that up for you.

Cheers

as far as I know, one you FILE a patent on something, you are legally considered to have that patent until such time as your application is rejected or the patent is awarded and expires.

Or I could be thinking of ANDA's again,....

But how do you patent them in the first place? You can't patent foam, and I'm pretty sure it's already patented in any case. I don't think you can patent the cuts themselves, as anyone can cut foam, and even if you did you'd probably be breaching GW/PP copyright since you're tracing their models.

I like Battlefoam and all, I just bought the Space Hulk trays and it seems like good stuff, but I really don't understand how it can be patented. It would be like using a router to cut holes in wood, and then patenting those holes, how do you get away with that?

Is he attempting to patent negative space in general?

So "Fluffy Foam Trays NL, a foam so soft and cut so perfect it feels like a glove" can never see the light of day? Drat, guess I'll have to wait until some miracle happens and that stupid overpriced foam can be sold here without it costing us a fortune.

Great all we need now is foam wars

Apart from the extreme sillyness of all this I just wanted to add the following...

There is a potential huge marked in Europe for customized foam trays and europeans will not pay the ridiculous shipping charged from US based companies... The first companie to establish itself here will get the greens faster so if both you guys are so freaked out with home based competition open your eyes and do something about EU markets!

Sidstyler wrote:But how do you patent them in the first place? You can't patent foam, and I'm pretty sure it's already patented in any case. I don't think you can patent the cuts themselves, as anyone can cut foam, and even if you did you'd probably be breaching GW/PP copyright since you're tracing their models.

I like Battlefoam and all, I just bought the Space Hulk trays and it seems like good stuff, but I really don't understand how it can be patented. It would be like using a router to cut holes in wood, and then patenting those holes, how do you get away with that?

Is he attempting to patent negative space in general?

He's not getting a patent on the foam he's getting a patent on the process to create custom foam trays.

Look, we all can see that this other guy looked at what Romeo was doing and said, "hey, I bet I can do something similar and make some money." Whether Romeo can legally get him to stop is beyond my legal knowledge but it's pretty obvious this guy is copying Battlefoam.

But cutting customised foams in laser is not something new or revolutionary, it has been done for many years now... The only thing "new" is that these foams are specific to GW miniatures wargames.
They can sue, register patents whatever... or they can try to arrange something for europe customers... theres so much ground to cover that I dont get all this fight.

Bah, I hate the kind of legal dickery where competition is killed before it can kick off properly, especially when it kills off ways for us to buy without paying too much for P&P. Damn it, if this is patented and stopped for others through some BS loophole I will kill myself and haunt whoever is responsible for this. And I don't mean the lawyer.

Maybe throw in a curse as well.

Hang on, got one right here: "May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits and nether regions."

Sidstyler wrote:But how do you patent them in the first place? You can't patent foam, and I'm pretty sure it's already patented in any case. I don't think you can patent the cuts themselves, as anyone can cut foam, and even if you did you'd probably be breaching GW/PP copyright since you're tracing their models.

I like Battlefoam and all, I just bought the Space Hulk trays and it seems like good stuff, but I really don't understand how it can be patented. It would be like using a router to cut holes in wood, and then patenting those holes, how do you get away with that?

Is he attempting to patent negative space in general?

He is not patenting foam. It is the process to cut he foam.

Ozymandias wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:But how do you patent them in the first place? You can't patent foam, and I'm pretty sure it's already patented in any case. I don't think you can patent the cuts themselves, as anyone can cut foam, and even if you did you'd probably be breaching GW/PP copyright since you're tracing their models.

I like Battlefoam and all, I just bought the Space Hulk trays and it seems like good stuff, but I really don't understand how it can be patented. It would be like using a router to cut holes in wood, and then patenting those holes, how do you get away with that?

Is he attempting to patent negative space in general?

He's not getting a patent on the foam he's getting a patent on the process to create custom foam trays.

Look, we all can see that this other guy looked at what Romeo was doing and said, "hey, I bet I can do something similar and make some money." Whether Romeo can legally get him to stop is beyond my legal knowledge but it's pretty obvious this guy is copying Battlefoam.

Oh he can get him to stop. It takes one call from a lawyer to make it clear.

Mikeb21 wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:But how do you patent them in the first place? You can't patent foam, and I'm pretty sure it's already patented in any case. I don't think you can patent the cuts themselves, as anyone can cut foam, and even if you did you'd probably be breaching GW/PP copyright since you're tracing their models.

I like Battlefoam and all, I just bought the Space Hulk trays and it seems like good stuff, but I really don't understand how it can be patented. It would be like using a router to cut holes in wood, and then patenting those holes, how do you get away with that?

Is he attempting to patent negative space in general?

He's not getting a patent on the foam he's getting a patent on the process to create custom foam trays.

Look, we all can see that this other guy looked at what Romeo was doing and said, "hey, I bet I can do something similar and make some money." Whether Romeo can legally get him to stop is beyond my legal knowledge but it's pretty obvious this guy is copying Battlefoam.

Oh he can get him to stop. It takes one call from a lawyer to make it clear.

Then why hasn't it happened yet? Why has there been no Cease and Desist letter drafted and sent?

What I don't get is it sounded like the only thing he could patent is how he cut the Space Hulk miniatures. He can't be applying for a patent for 'foam cutting' in general, can he?

Like others have mentioned, there are many companies that already cut custom foam, or cut foam in the first place. If the issue is the use of frickin lazers, then what is to stop me using a different "process" to get to the same end result?

Or is he trying to patent tracing lines around miniatures in order to cut the foam? I for one am confused, and don't see what the big deal is.

I am a total loss to imagine how there is any novelty to use a computer-controlled *cutting* tool (of any type whatsoever) to cut foam.

It's like saying, well, I want to patent the use of steel scissors to cut cardstock, even though though people have been using steel scissors (and other tools) cutting cardboard and paperstock for years.

Can someone explain this to me?

Bunker wrote:

Mikeb21 wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:But how do you patent them in the first place? You can't patent foam, and I'm pretty sure it's already patented in any case. I don't think you can patent the cuts themselves, as anyone can cut foam, and even if you did you'd probably be breaching GW/PP copyright since you're tracing their models.

I like Battlefoam and all, I just bought the Space Hulk trays and it seems like good stuff, but I really don't understand how it can be patented. It would be like using a router to cut holes in wood, and then patenting those holes, how do you get away with that?

Is he attempting to patent negative space in general?

He's not getting a patent on the foam he's getting a patent on the process to create custom foam trays.

Look, we all can see that this other guy looked at what Romeo was doing and said, "hey, I bet I can do something similar and make some money." Whether Romeo can legally get him to stop is beyond my legal knowledge but it's pretty obvious this guy is copying Battlefoam.

Oh he can get him to stop. It takes one call from a lawyer to make it clear.

Then why hasn't it happened yet? Why has there been no Cease and Desist letter drafted and sent?

How do you know there has not been a Cease and Desist letter? I don't think most if any people on here know all of the facts. And for people that call Romeo hot headed....how many of you have met him or even talked to him on the phone? And as far as what can or cannot have a patent on it I think it would be best of we left that up the the Patent lawyers. I doubt any of us on here practice that type of law

I think the reasons for calling Romeo hot headed are about the only thing in this situation that are clear. He's obviously unhappy, but he went a little ott (same with the baseball thing), and all that does is inflame the situation. Hey has anyone noticed that niether of the involved parties has said anything in days?

Sirius42 wrote:I think the reasons for calling Romeo hot headed are about the only thing in this situation that are clear. He's obviously unhappy, but he went a little ott (same with the baseball thing), and all that does is inflame the situation. Hey has anyone noticed that niether of the involved parties has said anything in days?

Put yourself in Romeo's position. He put all sorts of time money and hard work into creating his foam. And then a someone buys it from him, attempts to copy and releases it. If that was your business I imagine you would be pretty mad yourself. And it is not a coincidence that no one is saying anything......

Is it a actual copy?

Or is merely a competing product?

For those wondering about how he can patent the process, there are over 20 different patents for paperclips.
All you need is something unique about the process for it to be a different patent.

http://www.officemuseum.com/paper_clips.htm