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 Matrindur wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Am I missing something? Malcadors and Sicarans weren't available for pre-order in the US. RoW seem to have them. Shipping problem? Or problem with the US warehouse?

Not sure if that was already in the preorder article last Sunday or if it was edited later but at least now it says Malcadors and Sicarans are delayed in US and Canada

It was in the article at the time. I noted it to a friend shortly after he linked me the article. It was, however, in a non-obvious asterisk and footnote. IIRC, Australia also had a delay of a different thing noted in it.

I have to admit the idea of drop podding an astartes command into position via a drop pod in order to be able to change an order in a critical spot during a game sound genius. Legion trait shopping for double shoot and infiltrate sound questionably brtoken however..

I like the HQ podding idea so much, I'm even considering adding it to my 28mm army fluff. I'm thinking dropping one support combat squad along with 2 deathstorms for clearing out the immediate proximity threats sounds quite doable, and isn't terribly points intensive either

Not surprised to see the tournament winner favouring a Warmaster titan, given that it only costs 150 points more than a Warlord for +6 shields, 2 extra weapons, +4 CAF, +1 wound and +1 better save. I would expect a future FAQ to increase it's points to at least 1,000.

Not going to write an essay on it, but I reckon that this edition of Legions has been considered a bit of a ballsup, and GW has kept on both AT and AI a little bit longer than planned until they can do a soft-relaunch.

By 2026, Legions will see it's "2nd edition" and both AT and AI will have been discontinued.

SamusDrake wrote:
Not surprised to see the tournament winner favouring a Warmaster titan, given that it only costs 150 points more than a Warlord for +6 shields, 2 extra weapons, +4 CAF, +1 wound and +1 better save. I would expect a future FAQ to increase it's points to at least 1,000.

900pts would make more sense so it fits perfectly as the 30% for 3000pts games. But I doubt we'll see it changing points, GW releasing a Imperator-class Titan for 900pts seems more likely to me (still unlikely but feels more likely than the Warmaster going up to 900pts)

 tauist wrote:
Lets discuss LI meta at lenght, shall we?

Here's an interview with the winner of the last Warhammer World LI tourney. He didnt bring any vehicles to the games besides Rhinos and a Warmaster, and a lot of the talk in this video revolves around the thought that in LI, if you want to play competitively, vehicles are trash and Dreads and walkers are king




Thoughts?

I posted the same months ago. Infantry and Dreads are OP in points efficiency.

Being a GW tournament, there wouldn’t have been non-official models. Or at least not noticably non-official.

So, given a lot of models have rules but not freely available models, the meta is somewhat restricted right now. So there’s still plenty of scope for that to change as things come out.

Me? I’ve just ordered a bunch of new toys. Second squadron of Sicarans, and three boxes of Legion Fast Attack, as I have some potentially interesting plans for the nippy lads. Outriders in particular seem quite interesting. Two guns per base, one of which is Light AT with an accurate 4+ to hit. So whilst they’re small squadrons (maximum six bases), combined with their speed and Jink, they seem decent hunters. Sure Light AT isn’t great, but if you let me get behind your armour? I can do a surprising amount of damage.

If we see Marine Infantry retooled into a new kit, perhaps with a greater number of Assault Marines, Dark Angels players are going to have a whale of a time kicking people out of garrisoned buildings, because between Jump and Phosphex? All your troops are going out the nearest window, on fire and all hacked to bits.

You would be surprised Doc - an acquaintance of mine had his 30k army, which barely featured a mini without 3rd party bits and conversions/printed stuff, had a load of the staff fawning over it and got put on display in the cabinet in WHW. So I think unless you made a big deal out of it ("I printed my army, what are you going to do about it lol?") and force the staff to take action, ultimately they are hobbyists themselves and I honestly don't think they care. At least that has been my experience.

On the subject of tournaments, I don't think it's suitable as a competitive/cut & thrust game. The fact that within a few games you are finding stuff that is obviously imbalanced for the points (or otherwise are a waste of time to include), and I'm not even trying, mean that anyone who really spends time trying to break the game to make dirty tournament lists will not struggle to do so. I know this won't stop people playing the game like that (I mean, look at 30+ years of 40k tournaments, and people still trying to treat it like a professional sport) but for me I am just sticking to narrative and softer events. Means I can use the minis I want to even if they are not 'optimal' and hopefully I will play against someone who feels likewise. If not, at least I get to pack up early

We also don’t know what lists this guy was coming up against, or the relative player experience involved.

Whilst well rusty, I still have decade old experience of Epic HTH based around CAF to draw on. Likewise I’ve some residual knowledge of how to select orders, and predict what I think my opponent is gonna try on that turn.

For all we know, this chap had opponents of little to no experience, who might’ve missed tricks, or were overly risk adverse.

Other factors? What was the terrain like? Was the Warmaster stomping around a world of single story buildings? Was their much in the way of ruins for enemy units to seek cover in and become much harder to winkle out?

This isn’t to simply call him jammy and write off his achievement. It’s just that there’s more to it than “my list is really strong”. And without the more detailed information about make or break rolls, decisions, deployment etc, we can’t come to any firm conclusions. Especially where Orders, done carelessly, absolutely can hamstring your army.

Which is why I’ve always loved the Order System in alternating activation. They remove my ability to freely react. I can’t just wait and see how your movement is shaping up overall. I need to decide what my unit won’t be doing in a given turn, and from there what risks that’s exposing me to.

The Warmaster is of course massively powerful. But at 3,000 points it’s 25% of your army. 25% which can’t control objectives. So whilst risky to let it go entirely unmolested, I can play keep away via terrain, and put the pressure on by grabbing objectives. Or at least, y’know, try to. The important thing is I don’t have to engage it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


The Warmaster is of course massively powerful. But at 3,000 points it’s 25% of your army. 25% which can’t control objectives. So whilst risky to let it go entirely unmolested, I can play keep away via terrain, and put the pressure on by grabbing objectives. Or at least, y’know, try to. The important thing is I don’t have to engage it.

There is this wrong idea that titans can't control objectives. Yes they can. What they can't do is contest them.

And the Warmaster was the least broken thing in that list. Way below missile launchers and dreads.

Yep.

I think i have had once or twice when both sides had models at objective. Rest of the time one side wiped out.

Have even stolen objectives by moving in with titan and kill defending unit

So... LI is on the mid-May preview list.

Any thoughts on what might be announced?

More DLC, one would expect.

 schoon wrote:
So... LI is on the mid-May preview list.

Any thoughts on what might be announced?

Marine superheavy tanks!

 Albertorius wrote:
More DLC, one would expect.

Aren’t all releases outside of the starter set “DLC” ?

 schoon wrote:
So... LI is on the mid-May preview list.

Any thoughts on what might be announced?

The next book is a pretty save bet. The actual question is if and how many of the accompanying models they show. Currently we only have the Termites and three detachments via the Shadowsword box. TGS had 9 different kits that gave us 17 different detachments so there should be quite a bit more to see for the next expansion.

My crazy guess is a teaser for Mechanicum. As HH has them teased already and they might want to release them in the same timeframe for LI like they did SA we could even see a teaser for them at this event. And while I would be happy if we just get more models, that can also just happen via HH Thursdays when they come back but something back like a new faction would fit a reveal show

I could see LI teasing Mechanicus - it would give them something fresh to get the marketing hype going again.

Then again we are heading into the mid-year steadily with the big AoS new edition that's going to dominate things for a bit.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
More DLC, one would expect.

Aren’t all releases outside of the starter set “DLC” ?

Not really, I'd count as DLC "stuff that should have been en the core but wasn't because feth you". Like drop pods, or Land Raiders.

Or a full faction list.

Stuff that has rules and no commercially available models, and slots with nothing to fill them.

1. Space Marine Flyers. The models for these pre-exist Legions Imperialis. And that’s a significant set of options currently unavailable commercially.

2. Space Marine Artillery. No units in rules or models.

3. Space Marine Light Armour. No units in rules or models.

So there’s definitely room for more, and I dare say demand (I’m certainly in, though one tosspot a market does not make). In terms of the next supplement wave? Just give me my artillery and light armour.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Stuff that has rules and no commercially available models, and slots with nothing to fill them.

1. Space Marine Flyers. The models for these pre-exist Legions Imperialis. And that’s a significant set of options currently unavailable commercially.

2. Space Marine Artillery. No units in rules or models.

3. Space Marine Light Armour. No units in rules or models.

So there’s definitely room for more, and I dare say demand (I’m certainly in, though one tosspot a market does not make). In terms of the next supplement wave? Just give me my artillery and light armour.

The fact we will have everything from the first expansion while still waiting for both Aeronautica and Titanicus rereleases is crazy.

My wish for the next expansion would be at least one option for every Detachment type. So Light Armour (Sabre) and Artillery (Arquitor) for SM and Light Armour (Carnodon?) for SA
After that I would wish for SM super heavies and Despoilers as a CC focused troops choice

I for one am looking forward to fielding a properly maxed out Demi-Company. I’ve maxed out the infantry options (one with Missiles, one with Plasma, one just Bolters) as well as the Assault Marines, Dreadnoughts and Terminators (Dreadnoughts of all three flavours too).

But if I’m to field Just A Demi-Company? I need those missing options!

Who knows. Mechanicum as an army option would be nice. The Mastodon would be a nice centerpiece kit as would the Leviathan. The Forge World catalogue/models of yore means there are loads to choose from.

New terrain? Actual fortifications, for that Siege of Terra look? I'll get the one-in-a-million chance for Orks and Eldar out of the way here too.

 Matrindur wrote:

 schoon wrote:
So... LI is on the mid-May preview list.

Any thoughts on what might be announced?

The next book is a pretty save bet. The actual question is if and how many of the accompanying models they show. Currently we only have the Termites and three detachments via the Shadowsword box. TGS had 9 different kits that gave us 17 different detachments so there should be quite a bit more to see for the next expansion.

My crazy guess is a teaser for Mechanicum. As HH has them teased already and they might want to release them in the same timeframe for LI like they did SA we could even see a teaser for them at this event. And while I would be happy if we just get more models, that can also just happen via HH Thursdays when they come back but something back like a new faction would fit a reveal show

As I said in the other thread, with it being on a preview stream I reckon it's going to be a milestone release rather than unveiling just the next expansion / single kits as they did on the Thursday articles.

Given the release approach for regular scale HH I think it's plausible that additional LI infantry kits could be first launched via battleforce boxes containing a mix of new & old kits, similar to the Mk3 marines last year & Solar Auxillia this year. That seems like an appropriate product to show off on a preview stream, as it also doubles up as another starter box for the game to pick up new players that weren't keen on the mixed starter set.

With marines & solar confirmed in supplement #2 and some obvious range gaps to complete, AdMech are probably more likely to wait until at least supplement #3. However there is a possibility that we'll get the Mechanicum themed knights released in plastic in advance of that. We've seen potential box art for Styrix & Atrapos kits. There are several core kits still to release separately which could almost fill a release wave alone (russ / predator / aircraft / knight & titan boxes). What if they upgraded a couple more existing resin units to plastic at the same time via a June/July release wave, before supplement book #2 arrives around August?

I think these brave soldiers are necessary to escort Arvus



Arvus could also become a bomber, dropping these other brave soldiers:

I did a little conversion of the standard Veletaris as a tribute to the early edition Guard assault troops and that artwork. Also so I can use them in SM 2nd Epic/NetEpic as they have a longer move in that game. When playing Legions, these guys just jump out of the Arvus
It was a simple conversion just scraped the backs of the minis flat and stuck on a jump pack conversion but from Vanguard Miniatures

Has anyone else noticed that in the upcoming price rises, there are a few items of interest for Legions Imperialis?

It appears the Predators and Leman Russ are both about to be released in their own box sets, along with a re release of the Great Slaughter cards.

...so are they going to get a price raise before getting released? XDDD

Well, it would be rude not to

 seasider wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that in the upcoming price rises, there are a few items of interest for Legions Imperialis?

It appears the Predators and Leman Russ are both about to be released in their own box sets, along with a re release of the Great Slaughter cards.

Where is this list? The only confirmed one I've seen contained online-only items, had the LI bases at no price increase. None of the rest of the range was listed.

They are on the US Trade spreadsheet.

I just noticed Darktide on there going from $110 to $112. Amazing.

So yah, lots of new tanks incoming…

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/18/the-warhammer-preview-show-bring-ruin-to-tallarn-with-a-new-legions-imperialis-supplement/