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Regular Dakkanaut




Denver Co Area

I just played at a tournament (Gateway Open) and I had got a few things wrong about the rules because I have not played much and it is such a new edition but there was one ruling I am still wondering about.

This my interpretation:

If you select tactical missions you go through your deck and select two missions before the game begins. The only restriction on this is they cannot be fixed. You share them with your opponent as he shares his either fixed or tactical (there is no deception here if you are taking fixed the mission says fixed and if you are taking tactical then you cannot select a fixed. Then you reshuffle your deck. Come turn one the command phase works like any command phase. If you have less than two you draw till you have two, pay a CP to discard one and redraw etc......

No one I played with knew you selected two missions before the first turn they all assumed tactical was always a random draw and so did the judge who commented on this. He ruled that the draw was in the directions but the pregame draw was some sort of fake out and the reshuffle meant to place the two cards you just selected for no reason back in the deck. That choosing two cards for the first turn gave to big of an advantage to the tactical player because he would select two missions he/she could max score on (kind of like the fixed guy huh...) This was not a house rule but an interpretation of the leviathan deck rules.

I think this comes down to the "reshuffle" the judge assumed this meant place all cards in and reshuffle (why draw them in the first place) where I think the intent was to reshuffle the deck you just searched through to find the ones you want so that when you have to draw you are not drawing from a stacked deck. Thoughts?


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LEVIATHAN TOURNAMENT COMPANION wrote:Reminder: During the Select Secondary Missions step, if a player decides to use Tactical Missions, note that the two Secondary Mission cards they place face down and then reveal to their opponent should be returned to their Secondary Mission deck before they reshuffle it (they are not placed to one side or discarded). Before drawing cards in tournament play, it is always good practice to offer your opponent the opportunity to cut your deck.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Yep, you don't get to select two in practice when playing tactical.
   
Made in ca
Regular Dakkanaut




Denver Co Area

Thanks for the response. Can somebody explain why we show two cards we pick then put them back in the deck? There is no value here as the other player know you are tactical because your missions are not fixed.

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It allows you to choose fixed or tactical without giving info to the other player as to your choice. It's technically a more neutral way to do so, but in practice any advantage is so tiny no one cares.
   
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Icon720 wrote:
Thanks for the response. Can somebody explain why we show two cards we pick then put them back in the deck? There is no value here as the other player know you are tactical because your missions are not fixed.


It's so other can't decide fixed/tactical based on what you chose...

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Tacoma, WA, USA

Icon720 wrote:
Thanks for the response. Can somebody explain why we show two cards we pick then put them back in the deck? There is no value here as the other player know you are tactical because your missions are not fixed.
Placing the two Tactical Objective cards in front is how you declare Tactical Objectives in a blind, simultaneous fashion. Remember that your opponent is placing two card in front of them that are either their two fixed objectives or their declaration of Tactical Objectives. This way, neither of you know what the other is doing until the flip.
   
 
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