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I heard in the lore, Helmar went into a coma? Is there any lore videos online I can watch? Or can someone type it out lol

usmcmidn wrote:
I heard in the lore, Helmar went into a coma? Is there any lore videos online I can watch? Or can someone type it out lol

so, short answer, the Great Rift opened and bad things started happening everywhere, and a lot of the core, not-really understood systems of the hives broke or went haywire. Their was a assassination attempt on Lord Helmar. It failed to kill him but left him in a statis coma, kinda like how G man was being kept until he was healed.

Now, like in every authoritarian state where the leader has spent his time creating multiple competing power groups, the whole thing has turned into a massive power struggle. most of the more serious candidates for succession got together to talk, got into a fight and only one of them made it out alive ( Lady Haera, 13th Daughter of Lord Helmawr). Lady Haera has decleared herself the new governor, but lacks imperial backing (as the sector and segmentum governments are too busy dealing with the Great Rift themselves) and her opposition has coalesced around Lady Credo. Factions of most the the great houses are now backing one or the other, hoping to convert their support into rewards once victory comes.

The disruptions to the hives have also effected the wider Ash Wastes communites, so the nomands and squats who dwell deep in the wastes are been forced by climate change into closer contact and conflict with the hive city trade routes.

theirs a lot of details i am a bit vague on, but thats the general gist of it.

Oh, and someone/something was awakened from its own stasis crypt out in the wastes.

I’d need to re-read my Succession books, but I think it was someone in a full body prosthesis cyborg suit, and may be a Governor type of ages past?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh, and someone/something was awakened from its own stasis crypt out in the wastes.

I’d need to re-read my Succession books, but I think it was someone in a full body prosthesis cyborg suit, and may be a Governor type of ages past?

Given the event is called The Aranthian Succession, I suspect that thing may be from the old Aranthian nobility who ruled the world in pre-Imperial times.

Yeah, that was my understanding. The former governor/ruler of the world now known as Necromunda, along with the extended dynasty/clan/family, court, etc. have awakened from stasis. They're some sort of apparently psychic cyborgs, (originally I thought they were necrons, but sounds like they aren't). Unclear if they were always that way or if they were interred in metal bodies after their biological deaths and had their biological essence/consciousness transfered or something.

Cyborgs still have meaty bits so they're at least part-human.

 Haighus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh, and someone/something was awakened from its own stasis crypt out in the wastes.

I’d need to re-read my Succession books, but I think it was someone in a full body prosthesis cyborg suit, and may be a Governor type of ages past?

Given the event is called The Aranthian Succession, I suspect that thing may be from the old Aranthian nobility who ruled the world in pre-Imperial times.

Thanks for the responses. Is the cyborg thing depicted in any art? It would be cool to see what it looked like. How does the Imperium feel about Necromunda basically swallowing itself whole? Are the Imperial Fists doing anything about it?

So long as the tithes are met, the Imperium cares not. Likewise, strife creates an ideal breeding ground for Astartes candidates.

However, if the tithes are not met, the Imperium can come down hard. At the very least, the life of whichever person is currently clinging onto the planetary governor position is forfeit.

Imperial Fists I don’t think have been mentioned. However, they have relatively few assets planetside, and there’s bigger fish to fry out in the Galaxy, so there may be no Brothers left on Necromunda.

There will be a force of Serfs and at least one Astartes to man what is essentially a recruiting post.
The Fists have a stronghold on Necromunda and sometimes venture into the Underhive when they hear news of promising recruits.
It's one of the "sell your gangers" options for campaigns.

 Gert wrote:
Cyborgs still have meaty bits so they're at least part-human.

I think you mean tasty bits


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I wonder if eventually we will get some representation from another hive? If the returning planetary governor can’t take the seat of power is give primus they may setup in another hive

Do you think they will eventually introduce rules for a gang made up of a single Astartes?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Do you think they will eventually introduce rules for a gang made up of a single Astartes?

Technically, you already have the possibility to recruit a bounty hunter that is a lost Blood Angel.

How the hell is Vandoth still not a mini yet?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Do you think they will eventually introduce rules for a gang made up of a single Astartes?

Lore wise a single astartes could take down all of necromunda on their own.

Seriously though I think they are too tough and well trained, even scouts. Perhaps a gang of neophytes going through the trials to become astartes.

Also if a single astartes was killed by some gangers there’d soon be a unit taking some pretty serious reveng

Yeah I don't buy into the lore of a lone marine can conquer a planet. That's just pure hyperbole. Logistically speaking it'd be no contest, the power armor will eventually degrade/fail under weight of fire or a lucky shot will puncture a weak joint.

Considering the nature of Necromunda? No. An Astartes would be too much.
It's not hyperbole to say a single power armoured Astartes would mulch every single gang it fought with little effort because they are either baseline humans or only slightly better baseline humans.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah I don't buy into the lore of a lone marine can conquer a planet. That's just pure hyperbole. Logistically speaking it'd be no contest, the power armor will eventually degrade/fail under weight of fire or a lucky shot will puncture a weak joint.

I mean, in practice they just do a series of rapid, high-intensity strikes to knock out the command structure and leave the Guard etc. to mop up the mess left behind.

In some ways, Imperial hive cities make this easy by conveniently sticking all the nobles in the pointy bits close to space


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 Gert wrote:
Considering the nature of Necromunda? No. An Astartes would be too much.
It's not hyperbole to say a single power armoured Astartes would mulch every single gang it fought with little effort because they are either baseline humans or only slightly better baseline humans.

I am somewhere in the middle- I don't think a single Marine could get away with underestimating the more successful gangs, because there is always the risk of a lucky shot with a plasma weapon or meltagun or lascannon. Marines are vulnerable to being caught out by heavy weaponry and they take care to minimise this in their operations.

That isn't to say a single Marine couldn't take them the majority of the time, but he would have to be canny to minimise risk.



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mrFickle wrote:
Perhaps a gang of neophytes going through the trials to become astartes.

That could actually be pretty cool. Have neophytes who have been selected and are starting to undergo the Astartes process, but haven't made it to full scout yet. The underhive being their training ground. A full scout could lead the "gang".

Upgrades could include getting the next set of implants and becoming a bit tougher or stronger or something.

 Gert wrote:
Considering the nature of Necromunda? No. An Astartes would be too much.
It's not hyperbole to say a single power armoured Astartes would mulch every single gang it fought with little effort because they are either baseline humans or only slightly better baseline humans.

I believe there is a night lords book on this?

 Haighus wrote:

I am somewhere in the middle- I don't think a single Marine could get away with underestimating the more successful gangs, because there is always the risk of a lucky shot with a plasma weapon or meltagun or lascannon. Marines are vulnerable to being caught out by heavy weaponry and they take care to minimise this in their operations.

That isn't to say a single Marine couldn't take them the majority of the time, but he would have to be canny to minimise risk.

Of course, the smart way to deal with the lone marine would be to set up traps that keep the marine stuck until he can be dealt with - or maybe starves to death (might be safer that way, though you're going to need a way to jam his comms and beacons, and have him in a spot where the inevitable search parties won't find him). There are reasons why it's always much safer to do this sort of thing with more than one person.

The downside is that you don't dare brag about it to a single soul, because otherwise word will eventually get back to the chapter.

Eh, there’s also the horror of a Gang, previously thought to be well hard, being slaughtered in incredibly nasty ways by Mr Marine.

No way could a single Marine cow the entire Underhive, and as said they’re tough, but far from invincible. But anyone engaging them early on is going to be in for a shock. Because that is kind of what Marines are for. The ultimate Shock and Awe attack.

Think Movies. The Marine is the killer. The one that every single time you think you’ve killed, because “nothing could’ve survived that”. Except….they do.

Certainly I can see a single Astartes carving out a no-go area for itself. A dome or section where to enter it is to risk a horribly violent death. Most gangs would likely give it a wide berth, but there’ll always be hot heads and idiots!

There are also things like ambulls and spyrers in the hive. If the newcromunda stuff counts then there are even mech suits. A marine would be a huge threat to a gang, but just one of many.

At least in my head. There's also lore about things like 5 marines killing 300+ dark eldar, movie marines stuff. I ignore that, but if you don't then that changes the threat rating of a marine considerably.

Speak of the Devil?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/20/necromunda-is-on-the-brink-of-disaster-heres-how-it-got-there/?utm_source=Instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=necromunda&utm_content=necromunda201023&fbclid=PAAaaHkq_XJ-f2iM1TQrbxRcZ_OJ-4YyD7z-pEwmB9r1j0YzlNwDh5cSURHvY_aem_AWuJ6ATI3q5lcQcVnE9OohO7d8RKWr5V0fxSzVwr1kqalBWtrK4yXbhSva2PWGSPfiw

I tell you, someone is going to wake up in a shower and it will all have been a dream.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Speak of the Devil?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/20/necromunda-is-on-the-brink-of-disaster-heres-how-it-got-there/?utm_source=Instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=necromunda&utm_content=necromunda201023&fbclid=PAAaaHkq_XJ-f2iM1TQrbxRcZ_OJ-4YyD7z-pEwmB9r1j0YzlNwDh5cSURHvY_aem_AWuJ6ATI3q5lcQcVnE9OohO7d8RKWr5V0fxSzVwr1kqalBWtrK4yXbhSva2PWGSPfiw

Sounds like they are goi g tk struggle make the imperial tithes, I wonder if the inquisition might show up

mrFickle wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Speak of the Devil?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/20/necromunda-is-on-the-brink-of-disaster-heres-how-it-got-there/?utm_source=Instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=necromunda&utm_content=necromunda201023&fbclid=PAAaaHkq_XJ-f2iM1TQrbxRcZ_OJ-4YyD7z-pEwmB9r1j0YzlNwDh5cSURHvY_aem_AWuJ6ATI3q5lcQcVnE9OohO7d8RKWr5V0fxSzVwr1kqalBWtrK4yXbhSva2PWGSPfiw

Sounds like they are goi g tk struggle make the imperial tithes, I wonder if the inquisition might show up

possibly? bear in mind, this storyline is happening right at the height of the chaos caused by Fall of Cadia & and the opening of the Great Rift (as the rift opening is what kicked off the whole plotline). Its in that period before G man is resurrected, gets to terra, and is able to get a grip on the situation.

The whole imperial machinery is kinda in freefall trying to sort out a million crisis all at once. Things are so bad, even something as big as Necromunda falling behind on its tithes might be only be a medium importance event, compared to some of the over events that are happening.

When the Indomitus Crusade makes a stop there it does say that Guilliman's return ends a rebellion on the planet.
If this is all happening pre-Crusade then this is probably the rebellion Guilliman ends.

are they any battle sisters on Necromunda.

usmcmidn wrote:
are they any battle sisters on Necromunda.

canonically? i think so, but i dont have a direct reference to cite.

i would be surprised if their was canonically ZERO Sororitas on Necromunda, but however many their are, they would be a drop in the ocean compared to hundreds of billions of hivers on the planet.

edit: yes, their are sisters, i found the lore reference, emphasis added.

The Temenos is another hive city in the central Palatine Cluster. One spire forms the headquarters of the Ecclesiarchy on Necromunda, while another spire serves as the Temple of the Emperor Deified. Colleges, libraries and chapels occupy parts of the other spires. A priory of the Adepta Sororitas is located in one of the outer spires. This spire is often called the "Sisters Tower" as a consequence.

Would it be overboard if I made a SOB army using necromunda (particularly Van Saar equipment) and saying they are the priory from Necromunda? I made a couple test miniatures and they came out pretty well thus far.

usmcmidn wrote:
Would it be overboard if I made a SOB army using necromunda (particularly Van Saar equipment) and saying they are the priory from Necromunda? I made a couple test miniatures and they came out pretty well thus far.

Do it!

thats 100% fine in my book, and as long as you stick to GW parts, im pretty sure it would be GW tourney legal as well.

So long as I, your opponent, can tell unit types apart and they are consistent (ie, your battle sister squads all look simmilar, but look different form form you Repentia squads, etc), then I would have no problem with such a labour of love.