New 40K FAQs rumored to be posted tomorrow (8/15/06)

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**DarkTemplars**

Posted By Megad00mer 08/16/2006 10:11 AM
Really stupid question..

What does RAW mean or stand for?

Rules as written.

**Ghaz**

Posted by H.B.M.C. on 08/16/2006 9:47 AM
From the Guard FAQ:

"The full cost of an Enginseer's servitors counts against his wargear limit."

I am certain that the current printing of the Guard Codex says the complete opposite of that.

The FAQ predates the current printing of Codex Imperial Guard.

**Jin**

just wanted to say:
I love your name Megad00mer...It's got chicken legs!

on a more on-topic issue:
Please tell me that Dell buyout isn't for real. *looks nervously at the Dell computers he's got at home*

**supabeast**

Posted By ChaplainSeverus 08/16/2006 8:25 AM
Come on guys! Don't give up on GW. I heard they recently bought 10,000,000 chimpanzees and gave them all typewriters. Eventually, by the law of averages, they must turn out a rules set that is coherent and workable.

[sarcasm]I know that I will continue to throw huge amounts of cash at them for the outstanding job they are doing. . . [/sarcasm]

It took me some time to make the jump to Flames of War, I didn't think I would like the genre as much but, man, I gotta tell you. It is FAN-&^%^#%-TASTIC to find well written rules and damn near instantaneous FAQ's on things that are unclear or poorly written.

I led the charge for people in my gaming group to try Flames of War and almost overnight we went from a 40K based group to a WWII group. And all the rules arguments EVAPORATED. Issues are resolved by looking up the rule in the FREE v2 rules where they are written quite clearly.

I have spent 99% of my gaming purchases this year on NON-GW products and I've never been happier.

If you are on the fence about it, Try it, you might be pleasantly suprised. . .

Interrogator-Chaplain Severus

You know, I'd been thinking about picking up FoW for pretty much the same reasons - as much as I like 40k, I just don't have time in my life to waste on GW's screwy rules and piss-poor quality control. I think I'm going to be dropping by the local shop for the next FoW night...

**Dice Monkey**

I mean they can't be THAT stupid can they?

Apparently so, I forsaw this more than a year ago sold my Nid's and jumped ship. GW's Z rules team is definatly working on 40K. If nothing else maybe this will get some more people into Fantasy, FOW, Mongoose and PP games.

**fullheadofhair**

Posted By Dice Monkey 08/16/2006 11:34 AM
I mean they can't be THAT stupid can they?

Apparently so, I forsaw this more than a year ago sold my Nid's and jumped ship. GW's Z rules team is definatly working on 40K. If nothing else maybe this will get some more people into Fantasy, FOW, Mongoose and PP games.

Same here. Sold my nids last year after playing the weakened game called 4th Ed. Not long after sold all my 40k stuff. Now I just paint the occasional mini for fun. I have an OK army so I can still play occasionally friends who are mainly GW but have moved to FOW, PP, Hybrid and this Friday confrontation. Never been happier.

2 years and they produce this pile of junk. Some-one needs sacking because this is pathetic.

**Crimson Devil**

Folks, it's a game, there are no perfect games, anywhere. There will always be rules that are ill written, make no sense, or are about as realistic as purple grass and pink elephants. If those rules make your life so miserable that you have to complain about them constantly, then stop playing the game, it has obviously ceased to be fun for you so there is no point in you playing it anymore anyway.

You haven't played Warmachine have you? Privateer Press has managed what GW apparently won't. Don't believe GW, that wettness on your back ain't rain. At this point I'm one of four people out of 12 or so gamers in my group that still play 40k regularly. Fow and Warmachine are the top dogs now. If I can get enough players converted to Starship Troopers, I'll be gone too.

**Toreador**

Because if there is one thing Warmachine got right, it was to the heck with balance. Let's just let everyone powergame!

I have gotten in and out of the game twice already. Still don't like it.

I really don't mind "some" of the rulings. I still play tyranids, I still play with warriors. I do mind no main rulebook clarifications. At least clear up some of the main rules first.

And for nids, it wouldn't be so bad if marines weren't the only army being played. Most armies don't have access to much above Str8. I am in a good place because most of my enemies aren't marines, so I don't see the problem a lot.

**nyarlathotep667**

Posted By Ghaz 08/16/2006 11:05 AM
Posted by H.B.M.C. on 08/16/2006 9:47 AM
From the Guard FAQ:

" the="" full="" cost="" of="" an="" enginseer="" s="" servitors="" counts="" against="" his="" wargear="" limit="" [/i="">

I am certain that the current printing of the Guard Codex says the complete opposite of that.

The FAQ predates the current printing of Codex Imperial Guard.

And yet it is still out there as "official". On top of that, since GW refuses to put out any corrections/updates to their codices and instead chooses to "stealth update" with unannounced and unlisted changes in new editions, how is anyone to know of the changes? It's asinine and it's the crap that got me to stop playing 40k over two years ago, despite having been a fan since Rogue Trader days with a huge investment in time and miniatures in the game, and it's what's keeping me out.

For the past few weeks I had been entertaining a return to 40k by going back and remodelling and converting a bundle of my figs, but the more I read about v4 and the terrible mess of rules (despite two fricking years to fix things), no way. While I've held onto quite a bit of 40k stuff that I haven't touched in years, selling off the whole lot is starting to look real good now.

**nobody**

Hmm, I'm a few half-tracks, jeeps, and bofors away from finishing my US Tank company, so I guess this pay is going there rather than finishing off the Black Templar list.

Next month will probably go towards Cygnar Storm Lances.

Too bad there is no real Starship Troopers community around here, I'd like to pick it up for a Battlesuit company or maybe the Forth.

**Kirasu**

I have all the original 4th editions FAQ printed out which sit with the rest of the codexs in binders I keep for easy referrence. The IG FAQ printed after 4th edition came out was indeed printed with the text about enginseer servitors counting towards their wargear *and* that rough rider hunting lances may be counted as power weapons if they were charged, however they lost the str + I bonus. So unless GW updated my printed copies from early last year I dont see why this is surprising or anything new

As for the *new* FAQS, they're a bunch of crap. According to this precendence Necrons can self repair from STR9 and 10 weapons as the codex says "Strength double toughness" not strength double or greater

**blue loki**

Posted By HFJor 08/16/2006 11:15 AM
on a more on-topic issue:
Please tell me that Dell buyout isn't for real. *looks nervously at the Dell computers he's got at home*

lol

The buyout's not, but the battery deal is. There is currently a massive Dell battery recall, check the net for specifics.

"Dude! You got a *BOOM*!!!"

**insaniak**

The IG FAQ printed after 4th edition came out was indeed printed with the text about enginseer servitors counting towards their wargear *and* that rough rider hunting lances may be counted as power weapons if they were charged, however they lost the str + I bonus. So unless GW updated my printed copies from early last year I dont see why this is surprising or anything new

It's surprising because since that FAQ was made, GW have released a new printing of the Guard codex which reverses those decisions... which they have apparently re-reversed with the 'new' FAQ.

**Mahu**

I say the best thing to do is just "ban" these FAQ's, just pretend they don't exist.

I would rather have what we had last week then have these things in existance. So there you go, the FAQ's are dead to me. When GW come back with something better than I will consider them rules.

As a community, we should just say "yeah, not good enough come back to us when you are serious about addressing your rules issues".

**Kilkrazy**

Posted By insaniak 08/16/2006 3:32 PM
The IG FAQ printed after 4th edition came out was indeed printed with the text about enginseer servitors counting towards their wargear *and* that rough rider hunting lances may be counted as power weapons if they were charged, however they lost the str + I bonus. So unless GW updated my printed copies from early last year I dont see why this is surprising or anything new

It's surprising because since that FAQ was made, GW have released a new printing of the Guard codex which reverses those decisions... which they have apparently re-reversed with the 'new' FAQ.

Although logically it's surprising, GW make so many reversals, blunders and general cock-ups in their rules that players should have come to expect such results.

**SuperJohn**

OK, if you're all that pissed, either write in to GW, or we could get creative...

Howsabout everyone hits send on an email of complaint at the exact same time to the same email address? Get a few boards to do the same and GW gets hundreds of emails in the space of a few seconds. Gotta do something then, surely? Whadya reckon?

**supabeast**

Hmmm... the new FAQs are now up in the US. And I was soooo hoping that GW USA was holding out for the European jokers to stop jerking us around and post real FAQs.

**magine**

maybe we all should send emails going WTFF???!!! Anybody have an email address we should all send this to? Maybe we should get other forums involved?? Hmmm......

**thehod**

No amount of GW bashing or complaints will change these FAQs or atleast change anytime soon.

This is just a game in the end even though it does a screw job on my Nids. Oh well its not the first time GW decided to nerf Nids.

Just remember this isint the first time GW has done crap and say goodbye to quality 40K rules or FAQs since Andy Chambers has left for Mongoose.

**Dice Monkey**

Posted By thehod 08/16/2006 9:41 PM
No amount of GW bashing or complaints will change these FAQs or atleast change anytime soon.

This is just a game in the end even though it does a screw job on my Nids. Oh well its not the first time GW decided to nerf Nids.

Just remember this isint the first time GW has done crap and say goodbye to quality 40K rules or FAQs since Andy Chambers has left for Mongoose.

They sold me a defective product and I want one that works or a refund.

**Scarella**

oh wait, i figured it out... they want to get rid of all the players who can remember the most recent price hike... so that they can introduce another one without having to endure that much bad press...

great strategy... GW.... simply brilliant....

**Aunshiva**

Actually, guys, this is really good news. By setting this precedent, Tyranids are NOT truly nerfed. According to the Instakill rules and AP rules, RAW, Las cannons CANT instakill. AP weapons dont allow saves, and instakill requires you to fail a save. So long as you are totally in the open, the las cannons cant hurt you, but if you ARE in cover, the grass... magnifies... the laser blast?

.......

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Time for me to finish painting my armies and get while the getting is good! I now OFFICIALLY quit.

**Kilkrazy**

The only thing that will modify GW's behaviour is a consistent drop in sales that they can link to players' dissatisfaction with the state of the rules.

As long as people keep buying, GW have no reason to change, and the continual recruitment of young newbies masks the drop-off among veterans. Youngsters are far more forgiving of shonky rules.

**Tazok**

Posted By Mahu 08/16/2006 3:46 PM
I say the best thing to do is just "ban" these FAQ's, just pretend they don't exist.

I would rather have what we had last week then have these things in existance. So there you go, the FAQ's are dead to me. When GW come back with something better than I will consider them rules.

As a community, we should just say "yeah, not good enough come back to us when you are serious about addressing your rules issues".

Selectively deciding which rules you'll follow would make you a cheater and a badsport, no?

**Lowinor**

Notice that the FAQs are completely unversioned...

**Deathwing_Adam**

no real need to version them, they are the only versions for the current codex

**lord_sutekh**

And they have no intention of making revisions to them, so having a version number is pointless; they are, and shall forever be, the ONLY version.

**Ghaz**

One of the GW mods has started a thread HERE that may be of some interest:

Post All Questions for New FAQs Here . (19 Replies). MOD-FavoredBySanguinius (Edward)[]. 8/17/2006 12:04 (8/17/2006 12:50)
Howdy all

Let us compile a list of ALL of the questions from ALL the armies that you would like the Official FAQs to address!

Post your questions here in this format:

(insert army name) Question: type a full question here.

Answer: type a full answer here as clearly as possible.

Please try not to duplicate yourselves here, let's see what we can come up with together. This process will continue for the next several days, when we've done all we can we'll submit it to GW.

~ Brother Edward

PS. Any GW business rants in this thread will simply be deleted on sight, this thread is to identify everything currently missing from the FAQs.

Let's see if GW listens to their own mods (yeah, right).

**Davian**

Well, I'm doing my part. Haven't bought anything new, aside from the new Tau codex in the past year and a half. I've found other ways to support my local indy store. Simple economics: they ask more than I'm willing to give, so I don't buy it.

**CaptKaruthors**

What's with the complaining of the IG FAQ....nothing on there hasn't changed in months...everything on there is the way it's been since last year. If the new printing of the IG codex says how the Enginseers servitors work now, then that's what you go with. It's obvious GW hasn't updated this FAQ, so ignore it.
The 4 new ones they've updated suck still. I just thought I'd restate that...hehe.

Capt K