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PomWallaby wrote:

richred_uk wrote:


Is that Dragondaze? I think they pulled out of that show about a week ago - worth double checking before making a journey.

News from a mate in Dragondaze is, no sign of Prodos.

(Perhaps they're running late)

I went for a walk by the pond in the sunshine and saw the ducks instead.

And that course of action got you just as much AvP as going to the show would have, but with less stress - good choice.

So.. to recap... the original KS version was supposed to be a deluxe resin version as opposed to the plastic less inclusive one for retail... that is the contract that people paid under two years ago.. then the deluxe resin KS only version was offered for sale for over a year and put into the retail chain to meet minimum production numbers... and then they decided to cut costs on the retail version by removing content and adding cheaper thinner terrain bits and putting it in a smaller box and suddenly the "minmum production numbers" didn't matter.... and then they secretly decided to ship KS backers that cheaper, thinner version in the original bigger box.

Did I miss anything regarding the actual box? Yes, I know, pulling down the KS for a nonexistent "IP violation" issue so that they wouldn't have to deal with comments, posting info they knew was incorrect about shipping KS backer copies, etc... I mean about the actual drama surrounding the box and its contents.

You forgot to mention how they supposedly produced all the minis and then supposedly had to redo them and ship the minis in 2 waves.

Really, and they are just holding that extra set of minis? While the rest simply needs packaging?

never mind

The communication is so hilariously horrible you have to think it's intentional. Instead of PRODOS putting out some type of an update letting everyone know why there was a change to the box set they privately email this explanation to one guy. Instead of getting in front of this they go radio silent. They remove the ability to post on their FB page. Force everyone to go to their forum. And don't issue an update for this week.

Not to mention that US backers still haven't seen anything shipped.

Is it possible that we never see completion of this kickstarter? Has it come to that?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
UPDATE

I had recieved 1 KS edition & 1 Retail version.

same minis & amounts of minis & bases in each (although mini box is thinner in retail version)
same dice in each (although color can vary)
same cards in each (ks is in white card boxes & retail is rubber banded)
same amount of bases for doors
same rulebook (looks the same, but have not went page by page yet)

KS has flame/acid template on thick card stock but retail does not have template

KS has more tokens & tokens are same thickness as board tiles BUT retail version is less tokens on thinner card stock

The KS edition has 144 board tiles (including the doors) but the Retail version has 112 game tiles (including doors)

KS box is thicker but retail box is thinner

Brown box it came mailed in, KS is stamped with AVP logo but retail is not stamped

There ya go!

Sounds like the 'new' KS come with what you listed for the retail version. Consider yourself lucky you got one with what you should have.

Some of the first pics I saw for this game were the AvP minis with Battle Systems Sci-Fi terrain.

Battle Systems are now onto their *third* campaign, which is an Urban Apocalypse setting.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-urban-apocalypse-terrain/description

I was thinking initially of Predator II sort of thing, but I could easily see an Alien nest in there too, among lots of zombie themed games of course.

There was an apocalyptic looking world at the end of the 4th Aliens movie, and this would be good for that too. Although your game would undoubtedly have better acting and be much more fun

Perhaps one day I'll have AvP minis to play on this great terrain, just like those first pics >sniff<

*sigh* when I had heard last month that they were starting to ship to backers, I went to my FLGS and ordered a copy. It was supposed to be available August 30th ... no word on when it'll show up now (I trust the FLGS owner, but Prodos....).

How can a company mirror PB's incompetence so well from the other side of the pond? This is awful guys, I feel for ya'll.

After a few poking emails, my stuff is finally getting dispatched it seems. Only the boxed game mind, but it's a start. I guess all my extra stuff comes in Wave 2 "soon".

My Dear Fellowes :

Just for your good information, here's a link to my best french minis forum dealing with AVP :

http://www.warmaniaforum.com/index.php?showtopic=51222&page=1

It has "only" 23 pages but it's very big for us... And like this place, we in France are very very disgusted by the prodos behaviour (but it seems to be that "a very few little" of french backers is now receiving their "pledge no longer pledge" box...

Serviteur,

Morikun

Errr do you mean you're getting the Retail copy instead of the chunky Kickstarter copy??

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Errr do you mean you're getting the Retail copy instead of the chunky Kickstarter copy??

It would seem Prodos has begun packing the retail version into KS boxes and sending them out to KS backers.

They already made that decision, it's regrettable but had to be done, and is now in the past. Start living in the Prodos zone, not then, not now, soon is where it's at!

 CptJake wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Errr do you mean you're getting the Retail copy instead of the chunky Kickstarter copy??

It would seem Prodos has begun packing the retail version into KS boxes and sending them out to KS backers.

At this point, I don't give a feth. I'm tired and fed up with Prodos. The sooner I get all my stuff the better and after that, NEVER AGAIN. Life is too short for me to be fething about with prats like this lot. Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Isn't an update supposed to drop in today?

Yeah that's it : we are receiving in France the retail version as the KS version... and that's all folks !! -.-'

About the update, I understood a big "maybe"...

About the add-ons... prodos promised that backers would be shipped first but we know now what does that mean...

I would really curious about what prodos could say to those who will go to the Essen... "We are glad to respond at any questions ! Big high five guys !!"... really ? "where is my f.....g box ?!" for an example...

Serviteur,

Morikun

When this latest one regarding retail version in KS boxes broke out, I actually thought that just perhaps it was a genuine error. Because sometimes focusing clearing up one disaster results in other disasters happening unnoticed, requiring their own clear up. And there have been a lot of those. But...um ... that would appear to have been completely wrong of me, and they're at it again.

I might end up with Leading Edge paper stand up figures to go with all my Battle Systems terrain.

I'm not to happy about having to send prodding e-mails to get any action out of them either.

According to Jarek on the AvP group today, it looks like ALL KS backers will get the predator ship tiles as a "freebie - sorry we've been crappy" gesture - if you paid for it in the PM, you will get the chance to swap it for something else, or get 2 copies.

Jarek Ever Jason there is few changes, due to quality complains: delamination of tokens in some instances and scratches caused by the box with cards (thus they are in the rubber bands to stop flying around the box. Again, the update will explain it more in depth . Also no flamer template as it was no needed in the game nor wargame, so as we where doing the changes we have decided to remove it and give some stuff for free for backers to make sure that they are not again forgotten by Prodos.

Jarek Ever no at this stage, we wanted to add a full sheet of tiles to KS version (Predator corridors) but that would need another set of approvals, thus we will give for free a sent of corridors that wont be available in retail for backers (to make up for changes) that is few more corridors than you would get normally If someone already got it in their pledge manager will get 2 (or will have an option to replace with something else if needed) I think this is the best we can do at this stage. Again the changed we have made to both version are pure cosmetic and they are fixing about 5% of quality issues we were getting.
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Jorel Levenson Jarek Ever that is a let down about the pred ship tiles. I know that I wanted that as well as many others. I hope you plan on still sending that out to backers....
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Jarek Ever Jorel the Predators tiles will happen (but not for retail) only KS backers will get it, for free now.
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Jorel Levenson guess I don't recall if I added them or they were part of the pledge
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Jorel Levenson Jarek Ever, looks like I did pay for that add-on. What are my options?
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Jarek Ever Get 2 or exchange it for something else. we will make that option available in PM.
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Its a nice gesture, and as damage control it kinda works, Im not really angry with them anymore...

but damnit, I just want my stuff. Light a fire under Ninja Divisions ass already (assuming that wasnt a boldfaced lie).

Great, so now I actually have to get into the PM. Ordered two sets of the Pred-Tiles and really see no ship big enough to justify three sets ...
I know, it's be a killer, but how's about you drp in a set of that 3D terrain for free. Sure, will never happen and as it is would kill the company for sure ...

After a Minute of thought, I'd rather not have those tiles for free but for every backer to receive the exact same stuff, no shortcuts because they had the missfortune to get shoved to the end of the line. My opinion, doesn't have to be everybody's

By now I'm under the impression they actually are trying hard to find ways to anger their backers ... no update without some crap that is just another slap in the face for at least the majority.

It is a gak gesture. They decreased quality and quantity of what our base boxes are supposed to contain, AFTER having sold full up versions to non-KS backers. You cannot legitimately switch the contents of the KS box after having sent some with the full contents out, especially having sent them out to non-backers.

Why is it okay that ALL backers paid for the full KS version, and only SOME will have gotten it? Do those who did get it not get the pred tiles for free? No. We'll all (allegedly) get them. So in effect they've cheapened the value of many of our pledges.

This is crap.

Again, at this point I just want my stuff.

So.. they basically got caught secretly trying to stiff every KS backer that hadn't gotten their stuff yet by giving them an inferior version of the game with less/cheaper components and as a mea culpa they're promising something cool at an undetermined future date SOONtm while the thrifty versions of the game slowly diffuse out now. Is this the new Prodos logo?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Again, at this point I just want my stuff.

And the point is, you'll not get your 'stuff' if you define 'stuff' as the KS version we paid for and were promised.

Instead you'll get a lesser version, though non-KS backers did get the KS version.


No way I can be happy about that.

Hey, I gave them money for minis, I dont care what material they are produced in, how they're placed on the sprue, what color they are, etc. so long as they are in the scale, color, quantity and quality that I was promised. Everything else is a bonus (Except the wargame rules. I want the fething wargame rules already).

Thanks Richard for the Facebook info

So kickstarter backers are going to be getting the new retail version of the game not the KS one that has been shipped to shops for a while.

But they are going to give the predator tiles to backers for free......

Why haven't Prodos bothered to tell backers this until they had done it!

Not happy about receiving a lower quality version of the game with less tiles, but then, I've lost all interest in playing the game now, I just want my aliens n predators now to use in other things.

NEVER AGAIN PRODOS!

Sounds like something that a responsible company would announce via a kickstarter update. I wonder if Prodos will do that... oh, wait... they shut down the kickstarter page purposely under false IP pretenses to avoid discussion when their own created issues started to become public.

Prodos is really competing hard for the price of the worst run KS ever.
Of the ones actually producing something, to rule out the ones who simply ran with the money.

Worse than the ice age mammals KS? That's a stretch.