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CptJake wrote:

carboncopy wrote:
I tire of reading KS entitlement posts. Paying money for a product only entitles you to that product and not a say in how a company runs its business. KS actually prohibits real company investment contracts.

And I tire of folks making excuses. Prodos have lied to us. Multiple times. I don't give a gak how they run their business except in that they have failed to provide what I and others have paid for, and been dishonest more than once.

I was entitled to what I paid for, namely a KS exclusive version of the game they were to send out before the retail version hit stores. My version is no longer KS exclusive and was not sent out before the retail version. They then also said we would get the add ons first. And now they've gone back on that. Feeling 'entitled' to what I paid for and what I was told should not be a bad thing. Lying to customers should be a bad thing.

n815e wrote:The company has admitted to not having funds to fufill its obligations, having used the funds people gave them for this product to fund another product and has floated the idea of running yet another ks to fund this one.

To be upset over that is not entitlement.
It is not entitlement to want what you paid for.

It is, however, a Defiance style ponzi scheme to take orders/investments for a product and then pay for that with orders for future products, over and over. At what point do you stop calling the customers entitled and start looking at what the company is doing?

CptJake wrote:

carboncopy wrote:
I tire of reading KS entitlement posts. Paying money for a product only entitles you to that product and not a say in how a company runs its business. KS actually prohibits real company investment contracts.

And I tire of folks making excuses. Prodos have lied to us. Multiple times. I don't give a gak how they run their business except in that they have failed to provide what I and others have paid for, and been dishonest more than once.

I was entitled to what I paid for, namely a KS exclusive version of the game they were to send out before the retail version hit stores. My version is no longer KS exclusive and was not sent out before the retail version. They then also said we would get the add ons first. And now they've gone back on that. Feeling 'entitled' to what I paid for and what I was told should not be a bad thing. Lying to customers should be a bad thing.

If you read my post you responded to, I said yes we are entitled to what we paid for, but you don't have to go back far to see the KS entitlement and constant complaining. Its not a recent thing either - this whole thread is polluted with it. I wish I could go back in time and buy some of your pledges to save me the time spent slogging through this thread.

I would like my pledge as much as anyone but understand the situation. I don't like it, but understand it. I also don't feel lied to. Having a plan at the beginning and having to change that mid-through is normal for such a large project. I'm sure if they stuck to plan A no one would be getting their stuff. As a business you can't hold up cash flow or stock or your business will choke. It's not a Ponzi scheme, it's a normal business practice. They definitely could have done better, but there's no way they could have forseen everything.

As a backer, no I don't like it and it may prevent me from buying from them again. They may not have been able to control events in the past, but they can control how to "make good" with backers in the future. That ball is in their court.

Prodos,

Yesterday, I've send to Michal and Jarek an MP about the fact that a friend of mine would pick my pledge (wave 2 and others) at Crisis in early November. I would like you to tell me "how to process" please...

And I really would like to answer me about the french cards I told you few posts before...

Thank you very much.

Serviteur,

Morikun

carboncopy wrote:
I wish I could go back in time and buy some of your pledges to save me the time spent slogging through this thread.

I would like my pledge as much as anyone but understand the situation. I don't like it, but understand it. I also don't feel lied to. Having a plan at the beginning and having to change that mid-through is normal for such a large project. I'm sure if they stuck to plan A no one would be getting their stuff. As a business you can't hold up cash flow or stock or your business will choke. It's not a Ponzi scheme, it's a normal business practice. They definitely could have done better, but there's no way they could have forseen everything.

As a backer, no I don't like it and it may prevent me from buying from them again. They may not have been able to control events in the past, but they can control how to "make good" with backers in the future. That ball is in their court.

You don't have to buy anyone's pledge to prevent yourself from 'slogging through this thread'. A tiny bit of self discipline can work for you there. You're lack of it is on you.

As for not feeling lied to, great. When I get lied to I do feel lied to. And Prodos lying isn't in question, they did. Just look at the whole taking down the KS page and what they said. That wasn't 'change of plans', it was being dishonest with their customers. And that is one example. More recent examples about shipping are very easy to see as well. And when they did change the plan, they were NOT honest about it up front, again, they chose deception.

So my copy of the KS AvP box should be getting sent out today... we'll see what happens around Friday...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
So my copy of the KS AvP box should be getting sent out today... we'll see what happens around Friday...

Best of luck! I wish I could say the same... some day, probably soon.

It's amazing how FUBAR this kickstarter was. With a franchise like this, it should have been an amazing and resounding success.

I lucked out by buying 2 sets for $150. In one set I got an extra set of Preds & 2 more reg marines. In another set I got 9 extra aliens without tails though. I sold most stuff on ebay-

3 preds = $30
3 preds = $30
3 preds = $30
1 smart gunner = $20
1 tracker = $20
1 flamer = $20
7 marines = $100
9 aliens without tails = $20
1 boxed game without minis = $50
All other aliens = $135

That's the profit, $455, after ebay/paypal fees and postage!

Still pending on ebay -

20 tiles set $20
20 tiles set $20
20 tiles set $20
20 tiles set $20
20 tiles set $20
20 tiles set $20
Rulebook/templates/dice/markers $28

Just got an email about alien queen, predalien, powerloader, hounds... They are available for preorder. I HOPE that they will ship them to backers too!

Yeah, if nothing else that firm shipping date for the fethers who pay TWO YEARS after we did and will still likely get their stuff first is more than a little offensive.

In all honesty, I'd probably preorder some hell hounds (if it got me the game any sooner) I'm not sure two will be enough.

I'd like to get some more pieces before licence renewal time comes when I think AVP will do a "Starship Troopers". No money for shipping may equal no money for license.

PomWallaby wrote:

I'd like to get some more pieces before licence renewal time comes when I think AVP will do a "Starship Troopers". No money for shipping may equal no money for license.

Quite true and plausible, tho. Get enough for two viable forces, then you can keep on hosting games and scenarios down the line, while some folk stand off to one side to harrumph and splutter about 'dead games'.

Prodos,

I would be very grateful if you would answer me instead of sending me your pre-order update...

I mean an answer BEFORE the Crisis on "how to do" for my fellow to pick my stuff on your stand.

Thank you very much.

Serviteur,

Morikun

Bro. Quit posting your personal inquiries here. Send them an email or a PM.

yeah,
Why?
Prodos were replying to questions here.
They don't answer emails.

Prodos, also where's my stuff? any idea on when my pledge is being shipped now that the manager is correct?

And whats happening with the clear predators?

Panic...

I suspect the vitriolic hate all up in this cesspool has once again chased them away.

They've not replied recently.

I do hope they sell a metric crap ton of £35 Queens to subsidize the cost of shipping me what they owe me.

 cincydooley wrote:
Bro. Quit posting your personal inquiries here. Send them an email or a PM.

I've already done that before : to Michal and Jarek... no answer except the add ons updates...

Serviteur,

Morikun

I received a reply after PMing via Dakka.

I've been told completed UK orders should be coming out within the next few weeks (my order was also checked at the same time I believe to make sure of no hold-ups).

So fingers crossed!

Thanks for that Pacific. Good to know (he typed hopefully)

Thanks Pacific, appreciated.

 CptJake wrote:
I suspect the vitriolic hate all up in this cesspool has once again chased them away.

They've not replied recently.

From the depths of facebook thread yesterday .....

Jarek Ever we are on a business trip to UK so Friday update may be postpone to Saturday

So I think that might well be the reason for the current absence.

Hopefully they are handing over the company to a competent buyer.

ah yes - well let me copy the entire post that the above is taken from .....

Jarek Ever Thanks lads, we are on a buiness trip to UK so Friday update may be postpone to Saturday , however the good news is that we have came to conclusion that the only one way to speed things up is to have everything in one place. Prodos is actually 4 companies scattered around the globe and by consolidation in one place we will fix many many issues with communication and organization. It will mean that we will have to loose some good people's and replace them with new comers at New HQ. As for selling the company, New won't-be a owner was not interested in fulfilment of the KS thus it's no go at this stage, we will we what tomorrow's brings as we may just agree to provide services for them, this way our small company will get really serious work. This will mean for you that the shipping will be moving much much faster.

Any news yet on what that company is? Was someone saying Mantic a few pages back (don't know if that was supposition or based on evidence?)

no, he didn't say (and I doubt we could expect him to). The obvious guesses would be CMoN or Mantic, but given the above it's fairly moot speculation now anyway.

On LAF folks speculated about it being Warlord.


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Jarek wrote:As for selling the company, New won't-be a owner was not interested in fulfilment of the KS thus it's no go at this stage, we will we what tomorrow's brings as we may just agree to provide services for them, this way our small company will get really serious work. This will mean for you that the shipping will be moving much much faster.

That actually says a lot. The KS fulfillment must be enough of a gak show that it prevents making the purchase of Prodos with that fulfillment obligation included a NO. If it was not too big a deal the value of Prodos would have made it worth assuming the obligation.

well if what Jarek has said is to be believed, whoever it was wanted Prodos' technical skills and knowledge but didn't want the headache that is us lot, so massive kudos to Jarek for not selling us out, but sticking to the difficult task of getting this project finished. I wish him all the luck, and having been massively critical of him and his staff so far, in light of that and in light of the improvement in communication he's made recently, I'm prepared to give him the chance to get it done. It will probably continue to be a rocky ride, but if he keeps up the comms no matter whether things go to his revised plans or not, then I see no insurmountable reason why Prodos can't work through this mess and come out all the stronger for it.

Communication is key here, long may it continue. Delays happen, but as I've said a gazillion times during the KS, an informed backer is a happy backer (at least happier than an uniformed / misinformed backer). In the past he's taken the deception route, now he must walk the honesty path warts and all, and accept that it won't be pretty, but will allow him to find a way forward.

I won't read any altruism into any action by Jarek/Prodos. I suspect the contract with Fox makes it impossible to sell off without having fulfilled.

that's perfectly possible. I'm not sure it matters much either way what the reason is though.

 CptJake wrote:
I won't read any altruism into any action by Jarek/Prodos. I suspect the contract with Fox makes it impossible to sell off without having fulfilled.

With ^^.
It's an awfully convenient story with, equally conveniently, no possible way for anyone to double-check. Besides that, bad guys everywhere and Prodos comes off minty fresh - I'd say Palladium's communications department is giving workshops here in Europe now

yeah,
For what it's worth my KS ban is over... But I feel I made my point there.
Plus those who are still there backing Rob don't need more agro, IMO that will come in time.

I think the recent spruge of comms from Jarek were great but went off the rails a little so he's reeling it back in!

But I do hope he's not turtled up completely for another year!?

Panic...

Did they say why you were banned? Did you swear, flagrantly insult, or something else on Panzerfauste?