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 lord_blackfang wrote:
The cynic in me says the real reason War Cry is doing new bases is to incentivize you to buy a new box of models (and a pack of new bases!) just for War Cry even if you want to use an old faction that you already own a full army's worth.

No different to 32mm suddenly showing up in 40K.

Sigh...no option to replace those chain and flail bits, while also took off a huge chunk of space on the sprue.

And thank the gods that's the case~ it's so so much better to see groups with hints of favoring one God or another as opposed to all out worship.

Chopstick wrote:
Sigh...no option to replace those chain and flail bits, while also took off a huge chunk of space on the sprue.

Don't tell me you don't enjoy re-gluing a miniature every time you pull it out of your case! Don't you dare lie!

 Elbows wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Sigh...no option to replace those chain and flail bits, while also took off a huge chunk of space on the sprue.

Don't tell me you don't enjoy re-gluing a miniature every time you pull it out of your case! Don't you dare lie!

I for one also hate the look they have in the very first place...

Yeah if its 50 bucks for a monopose 8-9 man warband i'll pass. Not to mention 170 usd for the starter. At these prices the game just becomes instantly less accessible. I think i'd rather just buy half a dozen blood bowl teams instead, the replayability i'd get from those far exceeds what this starter box could offer.

It's nice that there appear to be a few options for alternate builds in the boxes. The standard appears to have a big hammer replacement, some of the iron legionaries have alternate weapons (some of the weapon options look nearly identical, but eh), etc. Still, I can't see myself buying a second box of a same unit, since most will look identical.

At that price they couldn't even made a normal 2 different normal sprue kit. They just had to make these 1 and a half normal sprue kit.

Don't get me wrong, they look great compared to some kits they made years back like the Bloodreaver in AoS starter, but I think they could do better than that.

Also no head swap, at all.

 Gallahad wrote:
At those prices this is a hard miss for me. I'll pick up the furies on eBay and be good.
$170 USD for a game with 28 monopose plastic miniatures and some terrain is obscene.

The new Infinity Starter is $130 with half the figures, in metal, an carboard terrain and people are buying that up with no real price complaints.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

The new Infinity Starter is $130 with half the figures, in metal, an carboard terrain and people are buying that up with no real price complaints.

Did you need to post this in both news threads? What's you goal here?

What is this "card dispenser" product?

Sounds like the kind of thing a shop would buy that contains a whole bunch of individual packs.

Weird thing to have on the purchase list if the packs are all the same...

I can definitely understand people being turned off by the price, because $170 on a new game with no history or established player base (at least yet) is a big investment for a lot of people.

On the other hand the $170 starter is set has a ton of value in it compared to most miniature games. You get two complete warbands, all the rules and battleplan stuff (which looks like it offers a lot of replayability), all the terrain you need, a game board, all the dice wandering monsters, and other accessories. If you want to play either of the Warbands in the starter it is literally everything you need to play indefinitely with exception of maybe adding more models to your warband down the road in the campaign (not sure how that works).

I understand it doesn't have as many models as the AoS or 40k starter, but those games need a minimum number of models for a half decent play experience. And neither of those boxes offer anything close to a complete game experience.. You need hundreds of dollars of more models, terrain, and a large gaming space to play them.


At least that's how I look at it. To me the starter is definitely worth it.

 Sabotage! wrote:
I understand it doesn't have as many models as the AoS or 40k starter, but those games need a minimum number of models for a half decent play experience.

And neither of those starters come with a (quite densely packed) table's worth of terrain. That cannot be ignored.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sounds like the kind of thing a shop would buy that contains a whole bunch of individual packs.

Weird thing to have on the purchase list if the packs are all the same...

Why? There’s 9 different packs, this is just a stand or whatever to hold them.

Get used to 170 US$ big box from now on.

Getting upset at the price is like beating a dead horse, it's been going for quite a while now.

And 'option" in these warband kits(and a lot of other new kits) are just "sprue filler" rather than something fun "for the players", "fun" cost money so fun had to go.

Despite initial trepidation, I have been enjoying kill team’s small footprint and quicker play time. Warcry looks to be a great addition to the options in that category. The terrain and boards will be quite usable to change things up for KT.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:

The new Infinity Starter is $130 with half the figures, in metal, an carboard terrain and people are buying that up with no real price complaints.

Did you need to post this in both news threads?

Yep.

What's you goal here?

The $170 price for this seams expensive until you compare it to the competition which is way more expensive or maybe since I mostly buy non-GW stuff I don't know how cheap prices can be? I posted in the Infinity thread because if $170 for what you get is considered outrageous in this thread why does the Infinity players put up with CB's prices as clearly they're more expensive? Very reasonable question to ask. I ordered the Infinity set and didn't think it's a bad price, by what people are saying about Warcry the Infinity stuff is significantly overpriced and I should be pissed and leading a pitchfork mob to burn down CB's headquarters. Hell the Infinity 2-player sets don't even contain complete army lists so you have to buy more stuff to even play the game so it's even more for less. So basically I don't understand the price complaints or I'm an idiot for buying a popular skirmish game that's way overpriced.

I think the flexibility of the terrain is the big seller. It easily doubles as a KT board.

I noticed the Prefector dude also had another optional arm holding a head.

I like the terrain, don't care about the actual game, and wouldn't use this as anything short of fill ins for WFB armies. The only issue I foresee is a complete lack of being able to get these to rank up at all. Past that, if it lasts long enough, there might be enough variety per faction to maybe repurpose the hell out of these for some of the races that never got armies in the Old World.

Nibbler wrote:
But Underworld is a boardgame, isn't it?
I think you can't really compare the two of them...

Underworld, Warcry, Necromunda and others are all boardgames.

In the store of our gaming group we just play non-board games. Here boardgames are not welcome. Cannot tell why.

If eBay sales were still a thing, the price would be far more palatable. A $170 would be $122.50 shipped with the old 15% eBay sales. Sadly, a thing of the past.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:

The new Infinity Starter is $130 with half the figures, in metal, an carboard terrain and people are buying that up with no real price complaints.

Did you need to post this in both news threads?

Yep.

What's you goal here?

The $170 price for this seams expensive until you compare it to the competition which is way more expensive or maybe since I mostly buy non-GW stuff I don't know how cheap prices can be? I posted in the Infinity thread because if $170 for what you get is considered outrageous in this thread why does the Infinity players put up with CB's prices as clearly they're more expensive? Very reasonable question to ask. I ordered the Infinity set and didn't think it's a bad price, by what people are saying about Warcry the Infinity stuff is significantly overpriced and I should be pissed and leading a pitchfork mob to burn down CB's headquarters. Hell the Infinity 2-player sets don't even contain complete army lists so you have to buy more stuff to even play the game so it's even more for less. So basically I don't understand the price complaints or I'm an idiot for buying a popular skirmish game that's way overpriced.

Bit of a straw man here, isn't it? I am not buying Infinity either. Are the people who are saying they will not buy Warcry in the Infinity thread saying they WILL buy Infinity? How many of them are there? Infinity is over priced but I am not interested in it. Privateer Press is also over priced, but like GW I am interested in it. But I only buy stuff discounted these days. Same is true for GW- I look for what I consider good value and if I see it I am happy to pay. If I think it is not good value I just don't buy, I am not going down to Nottingham with a torch and pitchfork to burn down GW HQ.

Nibbler wrote:
But Underworld is a boardgame, isn't it?
I think you can't really compare the two of them...

Underworlds is an odd one to place for GW, it is more of a hybrid game, it has elements from boardgames, miniature games, and card games. I think having the hex spaces for movement and distance firmly places it as a boardgame in people's mind.

Warcry looks to most certainly be a miniature game, the game board has no movement spaces and instead uses a measurement device.

Beside the game the models are used for WU still offers more value for model count. If I buy 2 of the Stormcast Warbands I have 6 large models, if I buy 2 of the more numerous Warbands I have 16 models. Warcry Warbands seem to be 8-9 models. The Warcry models may have more options, but the Underworlds have ease of assembly, so both can be seen as positives.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sounds like the kind of thing a shop would buy that contains a whole bunch of individual packs.

Weird thing to have on the purchase list if the packs are all the same...

Why? There’s 9 different packs, this is just a stand or whatever to hold them.

The card packs are clearly GW tapping into the existing "collectable card" MANUFACTURE side of things in their hired factories in China. GW has for a long while had a clear issue with getting more than one print-run order of the cards they use for games. This was annoying, but sort of ok for things like Warscroll cards because the info is also in the apps, codex/battletomes and for AoS also online. Basically the info is in mutliple places. For games like Killteam and Adepticus Titanicus and now Warcry, those game cards are supposed to be part of the product in the long term, not just the short term. So running out is a major issue for GW.

Clearly their method they are experimenting with now is to go with what is established and use collectable card manufacture which might well be better established over in China as a product chain which also allows for reprints and re-orders perhaps in smaller volumes - so GW can restock later without having to make a huge order that would likely leave them with a lot of stock sitting on pallets and taking up space and might even exceed projections for the games lifespan (or at least the games current rules edition lifespan).

So yeah they will be card packs sold in "booster boxes". The main issue for 3rd parties might be that if one army proves really popular they can't easily restock just on that one, but the bonus should be that GW can make more orders through the year and keep them in stock fur the duration of Warcry's lifespan/rules edition lifespan.



The only minor confusing point is people miss-interpreting them to be "random packs" which honestly is only an issue if you're the kind of person who only looks at packaging and never looks or asks what a product is. It will likely not cause confusion at all.

They put those cards in those booster pack probably because there are too few of them to get a shrink warp and put in cardboard box.

Another thing that's come to my attention is that Warcry will not emulate the massively discounted terrain sets of Kill Team.

Behold, the Mausoleum "Kill Zone"



And the equally priced existing Mausoleum for reference https://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Sigmarite-Mausoleum-2017

That means at least the board and cards are free, right? Wrong. The base set contains 2 copies each of 3 different sprues.

It is evident from the cover pricture that the Kill Zone contains 2 sprues less than the base set. At first I noted that there was only 1 main gate, but the other could be on the other side of the box, as the cover art extends across multiple facings. But I squinted a little and determined that there are no repeats of any components of the gate sprue or the base plate sprue on the cover at all - note that half the crypts clearly have no bases. You are getting 2 crypt sprues, 1 gate sprue and 1 base plate sprue. So you are giving up 1/3 of the plastic content to get the folding board and terrain rules card (presumably).

Unless that image wraps around on 3 sides and the 3rd side (the other short end of the box) we can't see. Until we see the pack opened up we don't know the contents for sure.

Ok, just to put my own fears to rest, GW confirmed to me that the other Warband "boosters" are not random. They are set, and have all the cards needed for that particular warband.

My wild speculation and fears can be put to rest.