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New Quests

The Forsaken Tunnels of Xor Xel

https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/avalon-hill/heroquest-brave-the-forsaken-tunnels-of-xor-xel
Direct link
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0169/6995/7440/files/Forsaken_Tunnels_Of_Xor-Xel_FIN_2.png?v=1640209087

A New Beginning

https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/avalon-hill/heroquest-try-out-a-new-beginning
Direct links
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0169/6995/7440/files/New_Beginnings-1.png?v=1649431131
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0169/6995/7440/files/New_Beginnings-2.png?v=1649431131

Into the Northlands
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0169/6995/7440/files/HeroQuest_-_Into_the_Northlands.pdf?v=1657133570

well my interest is piqued, as long the minis look good.

Ooooooooh!

Well that's a box that could literally be filled with cat gak and still sell out.

Gonna have to wait for a review by someone who never played the original, I think.

Isn't this the third 'reboot' of HeroQuest in the past few years? At least this one is by an American company and will probably not get stuck in legal hell.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Isn't this the third 'reboot' of HeroQuest in the past few years? At least this one is by an American company and will probably not get stuck in legal hell.

Also, it’s Hasbro who published the original, so pretty much a given this is happening

Another one? Ummm...okay...I sure aint complaining!

10 days now feels like forever...

And.. the roller coaster ride begins again!

Has this one managed to not have a legal action against it yet??

(Am still hurting in wallet from the last Gamezone attempt)

 Pacific wrote:
And.. the roller coaster ride begins again!

Has this one managed to not have a legal action against it yet??

(Am still hurting in wallet from the last Gamezone attempt)

You and me both.

I have been wistfully staring at eBay over recent weeks, this has just saved me from an ill-judged bid.

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Still no cease and desist?

This might be super legit.

There won’t be one.

Original was a collaboration between MB Games UK, and Games Workshop.

Released in 1989 (1990 in the USA), by which point Hasbro owned MB Games, having acquired it in 1984.

If (and it’s only an if) GW still own any rights, seems a sackful of cash is the simple answer.

Ooh this looks interesting. I wonder how it will compare to the original.

I cant see Hasbro having any trouble with the IP. Im pretty sure their lawyers could beat anyones elses lawyers to death and still get off scott free.

Yeah I don't know why people assume Hasbro will have legal difficulties here just because some noname garage company that had no claim on the original Heroquest had legal difficulties.

It'll be interesting if GW's previews today mention it.

Twitch... Twitch (the nervous tic, not the platform)

WOnder how this ties in with this:

https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/heroquest/news/heroquest-legacies-trademark-filing

Seems odd that Hasbro would grant rights (assuming they are their's to give) to two companies at the same time to develop heroquest related things.

But where is my Gamezone delivery?

LOL

What was happened to that really angry guy that owned the rights to the Heroquest RPG (was it Moon Designs?) - I know there were hand grenades thrown in Gamezone's direction last time from him, is it not expected for that to happen again?

 Slinky wrote:
But where is my Gamezone delivery?

LOL

Yes you have to laugh right otherwise it would be a case of crying.

Can't remember how much I had pledged for the last game (I think getting on for 200 euros), probably the biggest crowdfund bid I have lost I think (even AvP came through with their games eventually).

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
WOnder how this ties in with this:

https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/heroquest/news/heroquest-legacies-trademark-filing

Seems odd that Hasbro would grant rights (assuming they are their's to give) to two companies at the same time to develop heroquest related things.

Which two companies?

If the second company you're talking about is Chaosium, Chaosium trademarked HeroQuest for it's RPG (in the USA) after Hasbro let the trademark expire. Chaosium was interested in publishing a boardgame named HeroQuest, based on the RPG, not on the Hasbro game. When GameZone announced HeroQuest 25th Anniversary, Chaosium asked for proof of written permission from Hasbro, but GZ never provided it.

Restoration Games has (or looks to have completed) negotiated with Hasbro and Chaosium to license or otherwise settle various IP rights, suchthat RG can create HeroQuest Legacies. Dunno how GW fits into it. IIRC, One of RG's owners is an IP lawyer, and RG has published various Hasbro-owned games, such as Fireball Island, Dark Tower, and Stop Thief.

GameZone never provided written evidence to any party, especially Chaosium, that they had permission from Hasbro, and, iirc, Chaosium took some sort of legal action, while Hasbro and GW did not. However, IIRC, GZ was still able to file a trademark in Spain. Presumably, Chaosium's trademark was USA-only or something to that effect. GZ went bankrupt, so we don't have any idea what would have happened if GZ was able to take the game to market.

One footnote is that IP rights really are murky. Avalon Hill was particularly known for their badly written contracts, resulting in two publishers thinking they had to the rights to Merchant of Venus, a popular boardgame that was OOP for 20+ years, iirc.

See this BGG thread for more info. : https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/2470697/new-heroquest

Well this is awesome. A copy of Heroquest that will actually be made.

As far as legal issues go, I doubt there will be anyone. I can't think of any gaming company with a suitable stable of lawyers to be willing to go toe to toe with Hasbro. Also they could simply hand said company .000001% of their yearly Magic the Gathering profit and they they would gladly drop the issue.


Whether or not it will be of any quality remains to be seen. I'm pretty sure Hasbro doesn't do in house miniatures anymore (I think WoTC contracts out to Wizkids.......yuck).

Also worth noting that the Restoration Games founder(s) are ex-Hasbro employees.

Did nobody notice the ESRB sticker in the corner though?

Last I checked that's only something video games get, not board games.

I'll remain cautiously optimistic but I'm thinking this is a digital release. Or perhaps something with a digital component?

Interest piqued.

Restoration Games appears to have board game rights. So this Avalon Hill/Hasbro version could be a video game (Avalon Hill did have a computer game division at one time), or RPG.

Similarly, two different companies are making official LotR miniatures, but based on two different interpretations of the source material. GW has the rights for Peter Jackson inspired imagery, while Mithril Miniatures uses more traditionalist imagery.

EDIT: Boardgame Geek article on Avalon Hill & Hasbro Heroquest teaser

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
WOnder how this ties in with this:

https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/heroquest/news/heroquest-legacies-trademark-filing

Seems odd that Hasbro would grant rights (assuming they are their's to give) to two companies at the same time to develop heroquest related things.

if it's a video game, my interest has been vacated.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There won’t be one.

Original was a collaboration between MB Games UK, and Games Workshop.

Released in 1989 (1990 in the USA), by which point Hasbro owned MB Games, having acquired it in 1984.

If (and it’s only an if) GW still own any rights, seems a sackful of cash is the simple answer.

There will be one. At least a version produced by Hasbro. The gamezone attempt is long dead.

GW's only involvement with heroquest was the citadel miniatures that they provided. I know this for an absolute fact as i know a few people involved in the original project.

Hasbro isnt involving GW, so dont expect fimir, and that sort. And honestly, Hasbro dont need them either. This isnt the late 80's with Milton Bradley. Hasbro makes GW look like an amatuer in the gaming world.

This is happening. And GW will have zero involvement.

The only real question tbat needs to be answered is how this effects Restoration Games' likely futire attempt, since they registered the trademark for "Heroquest Legacies" and it is known that Restoration Games doe not such such things without having all of their legal ducks in a row.

It is doubtful that they are advertising for Restoration games, as hasbro and avalon hill do not do this historically. Once ffg licensed nexus ops from them, they didnt advertise it, and they dropped all mention of nexus ops from their site.

So it now begs the question:

Will we see two versions of Heroquest?


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Did nobody notice the ESRB sticker in the corner though?

Last I checked that's only something video games get, not board games.

I'll remain cautiously optimistic but I'm thinking this is a digital release. Or perhaps something with a digital component?

It should also be noted that this is at the bottom of every avalon hill page.

The "ESRB Privacy" icon there is for the website itself, not for the product. It just means Hasbro claims they won't do anything with your browsing info.

The official Twitter account for HeroQuest. A board game of high adventure in a world of magic. https://heroquest.avalonhill.com

The twitter page I linked to says board game.

I have the original, but it would be nice to see some new cards and quests and creatures. Hopefully they keep the core mechanics and skull and shield dice though. My biggest turn off from the gamezone defunct version was the really stupid proprietary dice.

It still burns that I dropped $150 on that gamezone lonzanos scam. Mostly the crushed dreams not the money.

Avalon Hill is no stranger to video games. It could just be a physical board game with a mobile app tie-in. However, that ESRB logo does arouse suspicion.


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Here's a quick rundown of the HeroQuest license history on BGG: https://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/108728/avalon-hill-teases-return-heroquest

 Absolutionis wrote:
Avalon Hill is no stranger to video games. It could just be a physical board game with a mobile app tie-in. However, that ESRB logo does arouse suspicion.

As mentioned a few posts up, that logo is related to the site itself and not the products. If you look at most of their physical products that logo still appears at the bottom:

https://avalonhill.wizards.com/avalon-hill-axis-allies-anniversary-edition

https://avalonhill.wizards.com/avalon-hill-betrayal-legacy

https://avalonhill.wizards.com/games/diplomacy

Since you can go and absolutely pick up those physical games in stores the ESRB logo clearly is not actually related to the product on the page.

Also, yay for a return of Hero Quest!

> The only real question tbat needs to be answered is how this effects Restoration Games' likely futire attempt, since they registered the trademark for "Heroquest Legacies" and it is known that Restoration Games doe not such such things without having all of their legal ducks in a row.

I was under the impression that RG licensed the rights to make HeroQuest Legacies from Hasbro, like they did with their previous games, such as Stop Thief, Fireball Island, and Dark Tower. As Ohreally said, RG are ex Hasbro employees. And one of the owners is an IP lawyer (?). While the avalonhill.com domain in the HQ URL suggests Hasbro involvement, I doubt that Hasbro and RG are releasing two separate HQ games. Maybe the website suggests some sort of partnership with more Hasbro involvement than RG's previous games licensed from Hasbro.

> Avalon Hill is no stranger to video games. It could just be a physical board game with a mobile app tie-in. However, that ESRB logo does arouse suspicion.

As Hellfury said, the ESRB is for the webpage, not the game. Look for it on their other pages, unless AH makes video games for boardgames that are 20+ years OOP? That said, RG's Stop Thief does use an app, so there's always that possibility of an app assistant to RG's HQL.EDIT: HQ tweet says it's a boardgame. : https://mobile.twitter.com/heroquest

Again, see the BGG link Absolutionis posted for a summary. More details can be found in the HQ RG thread on BGG. : https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/2470697/new-heroquest

EDIT: And this one. : https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2475398/possibly-official-heroquest-reboot-horizon