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"warhammer man" has to be the most low effort channel name I've heard so far.

Since I had to order mine from GW, I look forward to seeing them some time around June 30th because God forbid they ship them to arrive by the release date.

In the UK they ship them out Thursdays, is what I've heard.

 Togusa wrote:
All the stuff is in my LGS as of yesterday. Let me see the sealed products. Holy hell the Liber books are massive and T H I C C. Now I understand why they are 70$ books. Can't wait until Saturday to get a look!

I'm hoping for a smaller starter to come along with a paperback version of the rules, just so I dont have to haul around the big 5 pounder core book.

I mean... they still make stuff for Aeronautica Imperialis, and I suspect that HH might sell at least a little more than that...

Hopefully it will sell enough to justify porting more things into plastic, even superheavies and non explicitly marine stuff, like Terrax drills, Custodes dreads and tanks, and the Thunderhawk.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still getting used to my new posties timings. Hopefully it’ll be early!

I suspect I won't see it before next Wens at the soonest because GW tends to send me stuff a bit late.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean... they still make stuff for Aeronautica Imperialis, and I suspect that HH might sell at least a little more than that...

also a lot of stuff for HH is stuff that done right could easily be a bit of a "cross over" for example, legion specific head packs would likely be popular with both HH players AND 40k players.

I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.

Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.

Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.

HH got more support for years than Bloodbowl did and that was thriving so hard GW brought it back. HH will be fine.

Why are people fussing over random people on youtube?
You could all be those people in roughly an hour.

Voss wrote:
Why are people fussing over random people on youtube?
You could all be those people in roughly an hour.

because without anything better to talk about on the HH news front we might as well laugh at the "influencers"

BrianDavion wrote:

Voss wrote:
Why are people fussing over random people on youtube?
You could all be those people in roughly an hour.

because without anything better to talk about on the HH news front we might as well laugh at the "influencers"

I only laugh at the ones that get kicked out of GW, or get picked by GW to paint something and then screw themselves out of getting their minis seen.

It's an acquired taste.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.

Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.

Well before it was resin kits which by their nature doesn't need to sell much(that's why fw was set up. Produce niche products) to make up expenses. Aka low risk.


With this much plastic gw is taking risk in sense if somehow market wasn't there they could lose a lot of money.

But no sign of that being case.

tneva82 wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.

Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.

Well before it was resin kits which by their nature doesn't need to sell much(that's why fw was set up. Produce niche products) to make up expenses. Aka low risk.


With this much plastic gw is taking risk in sense if somehow market wasn't there they could lose a lot of money.

But no sign of that being case.

I don't even see it as that much of a risk - all the plastics so far have been things that exist in 40k as well. One package change later and voila "veteran Mk VI bolter squad" for 40k, no money lost.

BrianDavion wrote:

Voss wrote:
Why are people fussing over random people on youtube?
You could all be those people in roughly an hour.

because without anything better to talk about on the HH news front we might as well laugh at the "influencers"

There's always speculation on what Heresy Thursday will bring. I'm hoping for a Cataphractii weapon set reveal today, but the Land Raiders seem more likely.

 ScarletRose wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I find it hilarious that people are calling that the game is going to die, when it was kept alive for years with almost zero support and was seemingly successful enough in that state to warrant GW investing further in it.

Really though, those people are just pandering drama for views. IE, they're garbage.

Well before it was resin kits which by their nature doesn't need to sell much(that's why fw was set up. Produce niche products) to make up expenses. Aka low risk.


With this much plastic gw is taking risk in sense if somehow market wasn't there they could lose a lot of money.

But no sign of that being case.

I don't even see it as that much of a risk - all the plastics so far have been things that exist in 40k as well. One package change later and voila "veteran Mk VI bolter squad" for 40k, no money lost.

I think they did hedge their bets a bit with the mark IV and III kits, which is why they come with special/heavy options on the sprues - as you say, they were also a drop-in 40k tac squad alternative. With mark vi going pure bolter and the special sprues being whole-squad size, it's more obviously primarily for heresy, as you'd need up to 3 boxes just to make one tac squad with a lot of spares (though it will probably be popular for devastators in 40k) Which is all good, because it means they had enough data that they could really go for it in plastic and think it would sell to mainly heresy players, and expand it too. 40k has primaris now as the premier product, though firstborn are far from dead there of course.

Certainly pre-orders in the couple of FLGS I was watching seemed to sell through quickly of the big box, and everything else went fast too; not as fast as say, Indomitus (unsurpisingly!) but it spanked the AoS 3 box by a country mile. The deimos rhino went near instantly, so that probably was some 40k sales off the bat. Should hopefully be more than enough to justify being the '3rd big game' compared to a specialist game like AT or necromunda. No doubt the next waves are already designed (the lead times on this stuff can be years), but the cost of a plastic kit investment has clearly plummeted, given the amount of limited release characters, necromunda ghang upgrades etc that are definitely going to be niche sales, but still affordable to do instead of in failcast. So we should see more niche stuff for heresy in plastic too down the road, not just the low-hanging fruit like leviathan and sicaran and stop.

Highly anecdotal I know, of the three FLGS I buy from all have said the same thing - Heresy has already sold more actual stuff in terms of sales value than any of the “specialist” games have with them.

I think stuff like AT/Necromunda relies heavily on there being a local player base - Blood Bowl is the only thing to get any traction around here but I guess the problem there is once you have a team and the rules you aren’t buying much else unless you want multiple teams.

Potentially Heresy will be the third main game , I already think it plays smoother than 9th and that’s obvious just from demo games.

Considering the production resources they're throwing at it, and a rare seemingly genuine attempt to get people in with affordable pricing, it's a new Main Game for sure.

It's hardly a surprise that it's doing well, and I'm sure it has little to do with the fact it's Horus Heresy or because people love HH or anything like that.

Rather it has everything to do with being a ~1500pt army in a box for $300USD probably discounted to ~$250USD. Even in Australia it's not a bad deal by GW standards at $380AUD from discounters.

Something involving marines? Selling well? You don't say.

I think I made a mistake not selecting my local GW store as my pickup point for the HH box. It's going to take at least two weeks for the damn box to arrive at my local post office.

Oh well, at least I get to check out all the stuff on Saturday at my LGS. If I'm lucky, they might even have some Deimos Rhinos at the store..

My shop has it all waiting for us, apparently. Gonna go first thing Saturday morning for sure.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It's hardly a surprise that it's doing well, and I'm sure it has little to do with the fact it's Horus Heresy or because people love HH or anything like that.

Rather it has everything to do with being a ~1500pt army in a box for $300USD probably discounted to ~$250USD. Even in Australia it's not a bad deal by GW standards at $380AUD from discounters.

Maybe but the Horus heresy is definatly part of it too. just from casual non gamer fans I'd say the Horus Heresy may well, outside of eistablished players possiably have a bigger following these days then 40k. sure many of these people JUST read the books and won't be intreasted in table top but making the game the books are linked to more eisaly aceessable is a good idea

I think the anecdotal success of HH will light the way for the Xth edition starter set as well. We've already started wondering what it's going to be, but it's clearly Marines vs... MORE MARINES :-P

(actually, Primaris vs. Firstborn would be lovely)

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I do wonder if there's going to be some commemoration of HH the book series ending at last.

You'd think when the final Siege of Terra book comes out next year that maybe they'd want to have some sort of set themed around playing out those battles. But then the two don't seem very connected, given they're relaunching the Horus Heresy game as the books that have been running for over a decade come to an end.

(Thinking about it, maybe that's why the last couple of books got pushed back)

BrianDavion wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It's hardly a surprise that it's doing well, and I'm sure it has little to do with the fact it's Horus Heresy or because people love HH or anything like that.

Rather it has everything to do with being a ~1500pt army in a box for $300USD probably discounted to ~$250USD. Even in Australia it's not a bad deal by GW standards at $380AUD from discounters.

Maybe but the Horus heresy is definatly part of it too. just from casual non gamer fans I'd say the Horus Heresy may well, outside of eistablished players possiably have a bigger following these days then 40k. sure many of these people JUST read the books and won't be intreasted in table top but making the game the books are linked to more eisaly aceessable is a good idea

Perhaps. Another factor might be old 40k players who don't like more recent editions of 40k and so have dropped off, or people who like Marines but don't like Primaris.

I got pretty close to buying into HH with this box, but in the end decided against it, would still like the rulebook though.

I think a lot of it's the same thing that happened in the final year or so of 7th edition. People are getting burnt out on the mistakes GW are making with 40k but don't want to leave the GW bubble, conveniently as a major new boxset releases with Marines they can use in 40k if they choose, that will hold them over until the new edition.

I'm hedging my bet that one year from now this thread will have devolved into back and forth about how people are "quitting 30k because if it's not using the current 40k rules it's going to be a dead game" just like last time.

Kratos selling well isn't a surprise since it's known to have 40k rules and people like their Marine tanks. Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino. Contemptor has been strong in 40k for a few years now.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.

It is?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Demios is a pleasantly cheaper kit than the actual 20 year old Rhino.

It is?

To be fair the Deimos is at least £2 cheaper than the other Rhino kits.