Horus Heresy / 30K news and rumours. Plastic Mechanicum p. 252.

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**tauist**

Is it just me or am I getting heavy ABC Warriors Deadlok vibes from one of the new designs?

**Togusa**

Albertorius wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote:
Wait are not the helmets just the current ones repackaged for 10 man squads? They are still resin. Just buy the current unrebox ones.

Not the same, but one of the originals is similar to two of the new ones:

The new ones are more similar to the legion metal head, and all three are more clearly modified Mk VIs.

Which is funny, because in that regard they are the best so far, and IWs kinda hate the mark

I really wish they'd taken the opportunity to do an unhelmeted head with a mask for folks who are a big fan of Barabas Dantioch.

**GaroRobe**

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Once again, the Dark Angel's head is noticeably DA. Why can't the SoH, IF, or IW get bare heads that are also recognizably their legion?

**Beaker07**

Are the same sprues used in both the Legion MKVI Tactical Squad (that is now available separately) and the Age of Darkness Box Set - hoping to get a set and run them as 40k Tactical Squad with a few mods

**Marshal Loss**

Don't mind them. Hopefully they decide to pair Lucius with EC upgrades.

Beaker07 wrote:
Are the same sprues used in both the Legion MKVI Tactical Squad (that is now available separately) and the Age of Darkness Box Set - hoping to get a set and run them as 40k Tactical Squad with a few mods

Yep. Same kit

**Beaker07**

Thank you Marshal Loss for confirming that

**ImAGeek**

Weird release order for the upgrades. It’s almost in order but skipping the Emperors Children for whatever reason. If they’re gonna drip feed them out like this, legion order would at least mean you have some idea of the waiting time.

**Sabotage!**

ImAGeek wrote:
Weird release order for the upgrades. It’s almost in order but skipping the Emperors Children for whatever reason. If they’re gonna drip feed them out like this, legion order would at least mean you have some idea of the waiting time.

It is a bit strange - maybe they just feel a bit bad for Iron Warriors because they have the been the most neglected Legion under Forgeworld and they generally haven't been portrayed in MK VI in the past, or at least traditionally Beakie MK VI.

**Albertorius**

Sabotage! wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Weird release order for the upgrades. It’s almost in order but skipping the Emperors Children for whatever reason. If they’re gonna drip feed them out like this, legion order would at least mean you have some idea of the waiting time.

It is a bit strange - maybe they just feel a bit bad for Iron Warriors because they have the been the most neglected Legion under Forgeworld and they generally haven't been portrayed in MK VI in the past, or at least traditionally Beakie MK VI.

Stranger still, because their new book clearly states "the Iron Warriors famously rejected the pattern in favor of heavier armour" ^^

But the new heads do certainly look cool.

**Sabotage!**

Albertorius wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Weird release order for the upgrades. It’s almost in order but skipping the Emperors Children for whatever reason. If they’re gonna drip feed them out like this, legion order would at least mean you have some idea of the waiting time.

It is a bit strange - maybe they just feel a bit bad for Iron Warriors because they have the been the most neglected Legion under Forgeworld and they generally haven't been portrayed in MK VI in the past, or at least traditionally Beakie MK VI.

Stranger still, because their new book clearly states "the Iron Warriors famously rejected the pattern in favor of heavier armour" ^^

But the new heads do certainly look cool.

Yeah, I'm certain you could fit a couple squads in your army (like your fantastically painted ones), as I'm sure they would make use of it with their rapid recruitment and the messed up supply lines later in the Heresy - but everything I've read about the Iron Warriors seems to indicate they do not like MK VI and it was them and the Salamanders who first got to test it and were not fans at all.

But yes, I love the heads - they are super nice!

**drbored**

Nevelon wrote:
Anyone with a better eye and knowledge of the old range watch the battle report on W+? 3k a side, using a mix of old and new stuff.

Might be clues there for people who know. Which isn’t me.

Nothing they used was stuff that isn't already out. Old stuff was all the previous FW models.

At least the 3000 point battle was more balanced and interesting than the previous battle they did, which was a complete slaughter.

**Smaug**

Sabotage! wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Weird release order for the upgrades. It’s almost in order but skipping the Emperors Children for whatever reason. If they’re gonna drip feed them out like this, legion order would at least mean you have some idea of the waiting time.

It is a bit strange - maybe they just feel a bit bad for Iron Warriors because they have the been the most neglected Legion under Forgeworld and they generally haven't been portrayed in MK VI in the past, or at least traditionally Beakie MK VI.

Stranger still, because their new book clearly states "the Iron Warriors famously rejected the pattern in favor of heavier armour" ^^

But the new heads do certainly look cool.

Yeah, I'm certain you could fit a couple squads in your army (like your fantastically painted ones), as I'm sure they would make use of it with their rapid recruitment and the messed up supply lines later in the Heresy - but everything I've read about the Iron Warriors seems to indicate they do not like MK VI and it was them and the Salamanders who first got to test it and were not fans at all.

But yes, I love the heads - they are super nice!

I thought it was the Raven Guard that tested the MK VI, hence the name Corvus Armor

**ClockworkZion**

Smaug wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Weird release order for the upgrades. It’s almost in order but skipping the Emperors Children for whatever reason. If they’re gonna drip feed them out like this, legion order would at least mean you have some idea of the waiting time.

It is a bit strange - maybe they just feel a bit bad for Iron Warriors because they have the been the most neglected Legion under Forgeworld and they generally haven't been portrayed in MK VI in the past, or at least traditionally Beakie MK VI.

Stranger still, because their new book clearly states "the Iron Warriors famously rejected the pattern in favor of heavier armour" ^^

But the new heads do certainly look cool.

Yeah, I'm certain you could fit a couple squads in your army (like your fantastically painted ones), as I'm sure they would make use of it with their rapid recruitment and the messed up supply lines later in the Heresy - but everything I've read about the Iron Warriors seems to indicate they do not like MK VI and it was them and the Salamanders who first got to test it and were not fans at all.

But yes, I love the heads - they are super nice!

I thought it was the Raven Guard that tested the MK VI, hence the name Corvus Armor

Iron Warriors had it first, hated the prototype because their preferred manner of warfare suites heavier armour, so Perturabo dumped it on Corax who tested it, offered improvements to the Mechanicum who dubbed it Corvus Armour and then it got approved for mass distribution shortly before the Heresy started so a few legions had it at the start (Raven Guard, Alpha Legion), others got it from supply caches or looting it off the dead as the Heresy went on, but MkV was also developped as a stop gap to deal with the broken supply lines and lack of enough replacement suites to go around.

At least that's how I understand it until something gets changed again.

**Mr_Rose**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Smaug wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
Weird release order for the upgrades. It’s almost in order but skipping the Emperors Children for whatever reason. If they’re gonna drip feed them out like this, legion order would at least mean you have some idea of the waiting time.

It is a bit strange - maybe they just feel a bit bad for Iron Warriors because they have the been the most neglected Legion under Forgeworld and they generally haven't been portrayed in MK VI in the past, or at least traditionally Beakie MK VI.

Stranger still, because their new book clearly states "the Iron Warriors famously rejected the pattern in favor of heavier armour" ^^

But the new heads do certainly look cool.

Yeah, I'm certain you could fit a couple squads in your army (like your fantastically painted ones), as I'm sure they would make use of it with their rapid recruitment and the messed up supply lines later in the Heresy - but everything I've read about the Iron Warriors seems to indicate they do not like MK VI and it was them and the Salamanders who first got to test it and were not fans at all.

But yes, I love the heads - they are super nice!

I thought it was the Raven Guard that tested the MK VI, hence the name Corvus Armor

Iron Warriors had it first, hated the prototype because their preferred manner of warfare suites heavier armour, so Perturabo dumped it on Corax who tested it, offered improvements to the Mechanicum who dubbed it Corvus Armour and then it got approved for mass distribution shortly before the Heresy started so a few legions had it at the start (Raven Guard, Alpha Legion), others got it from supply caches or looting it off the dead as the Heresy went on, but MkV was also developped as a stop gap to deal with the broken supply lines and lack of enough replacement suites to go around.

At least that's how I understand it until something gets changed again.

Mk. V was always a retroactive designation but precisely when the first suits of that type started to appear has always been a bit wobbly. I figure it will be re-imagined as a late-crusade compromise that originated with the more distant and detached crusade elements then got spread as the Heresy turbo-screwed everyone’s supply lines.

**beast_gts**

Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Classic Units Rejoin the Age of Darkness with These Free Rules Downloads

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Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF

Exemplary Battles Update

**Gert**

Hey look it's July and all the PDFs are here. Who'd have thought they'd stick to the schedule...
Sweet Jesus, it's a 104-page document. I think this might be literally everything that got cut.

**beast_gts**

Well I'm happy with it - Land Raider Achilles, Castra Ferrum Dreadnoughts & Terminator Indomitus Squads! (Although the rules for the Indomitus are a bit funky)

**Gert**

They added the Hammerfall Bunker from 40k and profiles for all the Superheavies you used to get in the Panoply.

**beast_gts**

Plasma Obliterator is missing, as is Castrmen Orth for the Iron Hands.

**lord_blackfang**

So are these tourney/pickup game legal or what?

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I thought this might interest some folks

In the previous edition of the Horus Heresy, we have presented rules for the Knights-Errant and Blackshields. This PDF provides
rules for several unique characters, but does not contain the full rules for these iconic factions of the Age of Darkness. Instead
both the Blackshields and Knights-Errant will be presented as Factions with complete rules in a forthcoming Warhammer: The
Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness publication.

**Gert**

Everything is legal for everything.

All Army List Profiles for the Warhammer: The Horus Heresy – Age of Darkness range are divided into two categories: Core
units and Expanded units. All of the units in this PDF are ‘Expanded’ units. These represent many of the little-known, rarified
units that were part of the Legiones Astartes during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy that may not have official
miniatures and instead offer the collector an opportunity to convert their own interpretations.
Both ‘Core’ and ‘Expanded’ types of unit may be freely used in any Horus Heresy battle, and this category does not affect their
availability as part of an army or Detachment or the rules for their use during a battle.
As new units and models are released, their Army List Profiles will clearly state if those units are Core or Expanded units, and
future publications may shift the category of a given unit, with any such changes clearly noted in the unit’s Army List Profile.

**MajorWesJanson**

Missing some options for fortifications like the battle cannon vengeance battery and quake cannon aquilla strongpoint, and some entries refer to Massive blast 5", which should either be large or 7".

It would be nice if they threw in the land raider excelsior as an option, if the hammerfall bunker of all things got included.

**zedmeister**

Indomintus Terminators are listed as troops!

Minotaur tanks have had a bit of an upgrade and downgrade. Lost their flare shield and their cannon is a lot less effective but they're now Heavy Support

**Gert**

The Excelsior has post-Heresy weaponry though, whereas the Hammerfall has weapons that existed during the Heresy. That's why it won't be in there.

**Shadow Walker**

Blackshields will get their army list back? Awesome news!

**Gadzilla666**

The Achilles is back! And Atrementar! Good times.

**Rihgu**

Gert wrote:
Hey look it's July and all the PDFs are here. Who'd have thought they'd stick to the schedule...
Sweet Jesus, it's a 104-page document. I think this might be literally everything that got cut.

Well, not Daemons of the Ruinstorm or Cults & Militia... which were sort of implied to be concurrent with initial release and not July.

**SirDonlad**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
The Achilles is back! And Atrementar! Good times.

Weren't marines always able to take one LR achillies as part of a legion land raider squadron entry?
The wow i'm seeing with it is you can take squadrons of three per HS slot

oh, and the achillies-alpha has had 'enhanced ferromantic rites' removed and the 'normal' achillies has had it's points increased.

**beast_gts**

SirDonlad wrote:
Weren't marines always able to take one LR achillies as part of a legion land raider squadron entry?

Not in the initial 2.0 rules - only the Proteus (and Spartan).

**tauist**

Indomitus Terminators, Castaferrum Dreads, Caestus Assault Ram, Std Whirlwinds and most importantly for me, Tarantulas are back! That covers basically all the core units of my 30K/40K army I planned on fielding for 30K.

Unexpected delights for sure. And these are not even "Legends" rules as such. Thanks, Andy Hoare

Now I need a Deimos Rhino chassis to make a Std. Whirlwind out of..