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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
As I said before, save the reveals for a week before. They aren't going to lose any sales. Bet they lose more sales dragging it out.

1 week is nowhere near enough time to really budget for things. 2 weeks at least is usually enough for a paycheck to drop. More time lets people plan.

2 weeks, a week, hell, any standard formalised timeframe would be preferable to just not saying anything, alternatively they could just state the date case by case

If they had given warning that the missing heavy weapons boxes were this far out, I might have ordered some kits off of Forge World.
And I'd probably still be waiting for them to be shipped. Sigh.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
It is a legitimate concern for all consumers. We want affordable plastic kits and not this overpriced resin junk that is difficult to work with. GW turned already a couple of models into plastic. Why not the rest? It´s a bad business decision.

Exactly, GW turned a very small portion of the HH catalogue into plastic because that's how you start a product line. You don't throw everything over on a system adapted from a semi-popular side game because that is bad business sense.
HH 2 has been out for a little under two months and while it might be a good game, it's not going to come close to 40k or even AoS in terms of selling power so moving everything over would be financial idiocy. You don't over-invest and that's what you're asking for.

And shaming people who want a better deal is not the way to win a discussion. It´s the way to lose it:

I'm shaming entitled children. HH just got the biggest boost to accessibility it's had since BaC and yet people like you are still finding ways to complain because nothing is ever good enough. Nobody is forcing you to buy the Emperor's Children Praetor model because there are plenty of plastic alternatives to use instead. You're complaining because GW hasn't swapped an entire model range overnight into a different material for a system that has only just been given mainline status and support.

You don´t seem to learn. Ignored.

It is a fair point that you can't expect all of FW's biggest and most popular kits into plastic in a fortnight. We'll definitely be seeing more and more kits get the plastic treatment over the next few months.

I think the original complaint wasn't so much about them not instantly transforming all of FW to plastic... but the fact they're still actively releasing FW resin when people would prefer to see those releases in plastic.


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
2 weeks, a week, hell, any standard formalised timeframe would be preferable to just not saying anything, alternatively they could just state the date case by case

Stating the release date (or even a release window) makes the most sense to me. If they show something well in advance they can just say "expected Q3" or similar.

I don't want them to stop showing stuff in advance though, that'd also suck.

The way other companies do the hype thing is to maybe release a teaser with no date (so you know it's ages away) then as things get closer they might release more teasers but with a rough date ("expected Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4"), then maybe a bit closer to the date when they have more confidence they can say the release month, then the final reveal might be 1 or 2 weeks in advance.

GW kind of mess up the hype train thing... though in the case of Lucius and you they seem to be doing a great job keeping you focused on it

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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
As I said before, save the reveals for a week before. They aren't going to lose any sales. Bet they lose more sales dragging it out.

1 week is nowhere near enough time to really budget for things. 2 weeks at least is usually enough for a paycheck to drop. More time lets people plan.

Much of the world exists on monthly pay cheques.

Aye, because he's my favourite character, and one of the first releases I'm actually super excited about, along with that new praetor, plus this week I've seen people have got him from an event. Its annoying that they can do that but not sort out a general release.

May the release of an item get pushed back a month every time someone bitches about it not having happened yet.

+ + +

The EC Praetor is a nice sculpt, and the unhelmeted head is suitably creepy. Are the EC sonic weapons useful in-game?

 Dysartes wrote:
May the release of an item get pushed back a month every time someone bitches about it not having happened yet.

please no, I want my stuff! I'm patient but if that happened I'd be dead of old age before it happened

I just need me Predators. Around 8 to be going on with.

Praetors and leviathan weapons, psht. I, here, have to wait 4 months. FOUR ACTUAL MONTHS - that's literally 1/3 of the calendar year. So I can actually play the game, because they couldn't be bothered to release all the rules in one go...

Come onnnnnn a significant Heresy pre-order next week.

Idiot wants his toys!

Strg Alt wrote:

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
That's a quality mini. I might have bought it in plastic, but I won't pay Forge World prices.

Same. Anything offered on FW is an instant "NOPE" from my side. Suits in Nottingham better learn this fast.

Im glad your the authority on how I spend my money and the authority on how other people spend theirs and the spokeskid for the whole player base. Please try harder.

Gert wrote:It's interesting to see the anger towards FW making resin HH stuff when not only was it said that all Legion-specific stuff would be staying FW but that HH has been FWs domain forever. All these spoiled children whinging that not every single thing is plastic is just sad.

I can't believe im saying this, but I agree with you Gert 100%. If the 40k player base mentality ( aka I Want it now and in plastic) was the main way 1.0 players were, HH wouldn't exist right now.

Strg Alt wrote:

 Gert wrote:
It's interesting to see the anger towards FW making resin HH stuff when not only was it said that all Legion-specific stuff would be staying FW but that HH has been FWs domain forever. All these spoiled children whinging that not every single thing is plastic is just sad.

 Gert wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
In contrast spending an overabundance of cash on FW products is not a sign of maturity. It´s rather the opposite.

Correct it is not.
However, complaining that FW still makes kits despite being told at the very beginning of the new edition and introduction of more plastic is very much a childish thing to do. You aren't complaining about legitimate problems such as lack of products or no rules support, you're just complaining that you can't get all the things the way you want them.

It is a legitimate concern for all consumers. We want affordable plastic kits and not this overpriced resin junk that is difficult to work with. GW turned already a couple of models into plastic. Why not the rest? It´s a bad business decision. And shaming people who want a better deal is not the way to win a discussion. It´s the way to lose it:

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

-Socrates-!

Again I agree with you Gert 100%. You can really tell the entitled people who take plastic and resin solder dollies way to seriously.



Again thank you for tell me how to spend my money Strg. I bet you work in the government since you are so good at carelessly spending other peoples money so easy. Also saying that all the people who kept FW and the HH game in business are idiots for spending so much. I'm glad Mr Bligh isn't around to see this he poured his heart and soul in the HH and and the whole HH time line for the novels and black books. You do know it was basically him and a few of the BL writers who scripted out the whole time line for the HH.

That's the great thing about resin and metal models. The turn around time on them is so quick. They can print up a master and have molds done by the end of the day. Plastic takes so long because its so resource intensive. You need to fit it into the production schedule, you need to fit the models into a release because you're not going to cut molds for one model. You need to coordinate between management, sculptors, authors, the mold makers ( which is all done in house now), the plastic production crew.....its a huge undertaking.

Now resin or metal someone can sculpt up a model in a weekend like Jes and the other sculptors used to all the time and have it in a rubber mold and being produced by lunchtime. That's where FW shines. How do you think the solar auxiliary came around? It was either Simons or Edgars personal army he was making and Mr Bligh liked it them so much they put them in the game. That's how FW should of worked. Sadly after Mr Blighs passing they got infected with middle management and were running out of idea's/ didn't have enough of Mr Blights notes around. The first three HH black books where amazing. Then GW switched to 7th edition and they had to scramble to make the game work with 7th. Those are books 4-5. After that Mr Bligh got sick really fast and sadly passed away. I believe he was the foil to GW upper management. He knew how to 'play the game' with middle and upper management so they would leave FW alone and let them do what they wanted, kind like how FW always operated until HH. They had enough idea's to do book 6 (another filler book) and the bare minimum for book 7 which was total garbage and gave us the upside down bolters on the space wolves....ugh.

Mr Bligh seemed to run the show in all but name for FW. I know it's a group effort but he seemed to be the glue there and the spirit of HH which seemed to be a love letter to old 30/40k fans. But sadly after his passing FW kinda went down the crapper. The releases got longer and longer, the quality dropped considerably and it seemed more like a main line GW product dressed up in HH. The tone of the books changed, the rules got WTF???, the art work and layouts changed. I am just grateful they completed HH in 1.0 and its a self contained game. It's not to hard to add new stuff like the Kratos to 1.0. GW is notorious for leaving stuff half finished and just dropping it once it doesn't meet the profit expectations.


Horus Heresy will always be a mixed game of resin/plastic. It doesn't make sense on the scale of legion specific models, shoulder pads, helmets, bodies to do huge runs of plastic for them. It doesn't make sense to have mixed units on a single plastic mold because if until 1 is selling like hotcakes but untils 2,3,4 aren't that's a total waste of production time and plastic. GW couldn't economically recycle HIPS back into a use able material to off set the cost like you could with Metal models. I personally love metal models, it has come a long way since the 70's, 80's and 90's. Look at the stuff Corvus Belli is putting out. A lot of their metal models blow GW's plastics out of the water in detail and undercuts. But the cost of metal is sky rocketing ( although HIPS is a Hydrocarbon so... that doesn't say much I guess) and that was one of the reasons GW got out of metal models was the uncertainty of supply for metal.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Come onnnnnn a significant Heresy pre-order next week.

Idiot wants his toys!

Looks like it's just the new DA stuff (heads, pads & Marduk Sedras) - plus the older WS & EC pads & torsos on MTO.

Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

The preview article looks like it’s been taken down so hopefully that was a mistake and they’re adding more.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?

It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
The preview article looks like it’s been taken down so hopefully that was a mistake and they’re adding more.

The article is up now, and the only difference to the video is the Army List books coming as ePub.

DA:


MTO Kits:

All five sets will be available via Made to Order from 10am local time on Saturday the 6th of August 2022 until 8am BST globally on Monday the 15th of August, so don’t miss out.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Come onnnnnn a significant Heresy pre-order next week.

Idiot wants his toys!

This is week 1 of Heart of Ghur's two week preorder, a significant HH preorder wasn't going to happen.
3rd of 18 shoulder pad/hat sets? Sure.

Did the previous MTO stuff have updated packaging?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?

It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.

It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S

Liber epubs, about flocking time! I've been waiting for my army lists, glad I refused the urge to go for the physical editions earlier. I was even worried for a while that we wouldn't be getting anything else than the main rulebook, considering these took so long to get released.

Now if we could just get the Heavy Weapon upgrade with the Lascannons etc, that would be great. My 40K Devastator squads need a few Las/Plas.

 Soundtheory wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?

It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.

It does feel like it; I was expecting some more core infantry to have at least been announced by now; assault/despoilers, breachers, and we still don't have an announced release for the last of the previewed heavy weapons. My take is these should have been at the forefront of a new launch. :S

Shooty Leviathan, Predator, Sicaran, two sets of Heavy Weapons. Pretty sure there’s another one or two things officially previewed I’ve forgotten?

The Contemptor, but the missing heavy weapons I personally find most annoying.

Instead, they're doubling down on Warcry because... Surely some ugly nurgle swamp people and not-chaos-dwarves was what people REALLY want to have two weeks in a row.

in b4 someone reports on a big distribution chain issue, because at this point that's all that can explain this bizarre release schedule. You'd think Horus Heresy or at least getting the rest of the Chaos Marine kits out would be a bit of a higher priority.

Well we do know their supply chain has been screwy, and we of course know why. It’s even referenced in their Annual Report that it’s particularly affected AoS’ release schedule.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?

It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.

That’s probably it isn’t a “third core game”. It’s getting a SG-style schedule, and with that comes some pauses and delays and quick sellouts.


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drbored wrote:
Instead, they're doubling down on Warcry because... Surely some ugly nurgle swamp people and not-chaos-dwarves was what people REALLY want to have two weeks in a row.

in b4 someone reports on a big distribution chain issue, because at this point that's all that can explain this bizarre release schedule. You'd think Horus Heresy or at least getting the rest of the Chaos Marine kits out would be a bit of a higher priority.

To be fair, some people couldn’t care less about more space marines with slightly different armor shapes. Especially week after week of them.

Oh my God, get on with it!

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?

It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.

That’s probably it isn’t a “third core game”. It’s getting a SG-style schedule, and with that comes some pauses and delays and quick sellouts.

That may have been how they originally intended it, but you'd think that with how well all of the HH stuff appears to be selling (and selling out), that they'd eventually get the hint that it's turning out to be more popular than they expected. And maybe at least try to get some more of the already previewed stuff out.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?

It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.

That’s probably it isn’t a “third core game”. It’s getting a SG-style schedule, and with that comes some pauses and delays and quick sellouts.

That may have been how they originally intended it, but you'd think that with how well all of the HH stuff appears to be selling (and selling out), that they'd eventually get the hint that it's turning out to be more popular than they expected. And maybe at least try to get some more of the already previewed stuff out.

It could be they’ve slightly changed tack, and are ramping up production to better meet initial demand?

 gorgon wrote:


To be fair, some people couldn’t care less about more space marines with slightly different armor shapes. Especially week after week of them.

Some people, but let's be frank, not the vast vast majority of their customer base.

gorgon wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bloody hell.

Do they not want my money or something??

Anyone else get the impression they were surprised by how many people seem to like the game?

It seems like it’s getting the “obscure side game” release schedule rather than the “third core game” one.

That’s probably it isn’t a “third core game”. It’s getting a SG-style schedule, and with that comes some pauses and delays and quick sellouts.

Well according to the GW annual report it is the 3rd pillar...