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 dan2026 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Can the new plastic Contemptor dreadnought be used in 40k?

There is a Contemptor datasheet in the SM dex. But it only covers the options for the older model that was released with the Betrayal at Calth game. So a single multi melta or assault cannon alongside a single fist and combi bolter are the only weapons. All the other gear is covered in the Imperial armour compendium from Forge world.

Im still a bit confused. The only Contemptor I can see in IA is the Relic Contemptor. But that seems to have different weapons. There aren't profiles for Gravis autocannons, Gravis bolt cannons, Gravis lascannons, Gravis melta cannons, Gravis plasma cannons etc.

The weapons were renamed in HH2 - just drop the Gravis (bolt cannon is heavy bolter, melta cannon is multi-melta, etc.)

The names are different because the games are different. Gravis is the new HH version of Twin-Linked weapons.

beast_gts wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Can the new plastic Contemptor dreadnought be used in 40k?

There is a Contemptor datasheet in the SM dex. But it only covers the options for the older model that was released with the Betrayal at Calth game. So a single multi melta or assault cannon alongside a single fist and combi bolter are the only weapons. All the other gear is covered in the Imperial armour compendium from Forge world.

Im still a bit confused. The only Contemptor I can see in IA is the Relic Contemptor. But that seems to have different weapons. There aren't profiles for Gravis autocannons, Gravis bolt cannons, Gravis lascannons, Gravis melta cannons, Gravis plasma cannons etc.

The weapons were renamed in HH2 - just drop the Gravis (bolt cannon is heavy bolter, melta cannon is multi-melta, etc.)

Ah ok. Thanks that confused me lol.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

FW comes with a bigger price tag.

Some people don't buy from "any other online seller", they buy from their FLGS or a specific online seller that they trust/like.

FW stuff often comes with flaws that warrant the part being replaced.

Lots of people prefer plastic to resin.

All of this! My FLGS gives me 10% discount, plus I get points I can redeem for store credit which is basically another 10%. A squad of 10 breachers is $136 from Forge World, but would be $40 at my FLGS in plastic. Plastic is easier to clean up because there's no giant gates, and easier to build because you don't have to wait for superglue to cure or call the wife in to spray insta cure while you use both hands to hold the model exactly how you want it.

Wonder if we might see more HH pre-orders this weekend.

Or if it’ll be the next wave of Necromunda.

I'd not expect HH until another wave next month.

Tonight should be Kill Team Into the Dark hopefully.

Gah, as much as I want to get into this reboot of HH, I've come to enjoy the, for me at least YMMV obv, painless experience of having all my rules and weapon stats mostly on a single page, as opposed to having to leaf through two books to find everything I need for a single unit entry now.

Anyone, please tell me where in the main HH rulebook, or the AdMech book, I can find what the unit term "skirmisher" does please!

 BrookM wrote:
Tonight should be Kill Team Into the Dark hopefully.

Gah, as much as I want to get into this reboot of HH, I've come to enjoy the, for me at least YMMV obv, painless experience of having all my rules and weapon stats mostly on a single page, as opposed to having to leaf through two books to find everything I need for a single unit entry now.

Anyone, please tell me where in the main HH rulebook, or the AdMech book, I can find what the unit term "skirmisher" does please!

Skirmisher extends unit coherency (3” I think) and grants a bonus to cover.

I'm just hoping for a North American release for the Liber Mechanicum, and the next set of PDF rules this week.

Was somthing removed from the Mechanicum in their Book?

Cheers Mad Doc! 👊🏻

I think it's either tucked away somewhere illogical or they forgot to add it. Thinking the latter, because bloody hell some things are hard to find in these new books.

Any new rumours regarding Epic 30K coming next year?

RazorEdge wrote:
Was somthing removed from the Mechanicum in their Book?

Lots of things - artillery tanks, Termite, Macrocarid, Mechanicum Knight lists...

 Strg Alt wrote:
Any new rumours regarding Epic 30K coming next year?

There are rumours but currently that the game is in the play testing stage. As with any rumour I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

beast_gts wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Was somthing removed from the Mechanicum in their Book?

Lots of things - artillery tanks, Termite, Macrocarid, Mechanicum Knight lists...

Also; thanatar-Calix, avenger strike fighter, primaris-lightning strike fighter, arvus lighter, minotaur artillery battery

the options for tech-thralls, Thallax augments


Edit: reduced strength for both units too.

 SirDonlad wrote:
Also; thanatar-Calix

Isn't it now an option for the base Thanatar?

 godardc wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
Right, where the hell are the assault troops & breachers...to ya know, fill those transports with????

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-MKIII-Breacher-Siege-Squad-2018
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/MKV-Space-Marine-Assault-Squad
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/MKIV-Space-Marine-Assault-Squad-FW-2020

They're right here.

Ah finally one intelligent answer. I may add that the heavy weapons are there too. I don't understand, it's like people treat The Horus Heresy as a new game and forget it has been running for like 10 years and that people have been collecting whole armies !
But no, they prefer to sell there tiny AoD forces because "muuuh not enough plastic" ...
New hat syndrome

No, knew they were there, but if I was interested in resin, and five marines at t hat price, would've bought them already... the Horus Heresy has been around for awhile, but some folks seem to not understand the new influx of players/customers is the result of something .... new in the product line.

beast_gts wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
Also; thanatar-Calix

Isn't it now an option for the base Thanatar?

Sorry, yes; you're right.
I meant to type Thanatar-Cynis.

Thanatar-Calix is the one with the Sollex Lascannon

 Gert wrote:
The names are different because the games are different. Gravis is the new HH version of Twin-Linked weapons.

Not really. Gravis weapons are "better" versions of the weapons in some way, usually also twin-linked, but there are twin-linked weapons that are not Gravis and Gravis weapons that are not twin-linked (like the Gravis lascannon, which is twin-linked in the box pamphlet but not in the Liber books).

Not sure if already mentioned, but while the Castellan and Valiant are absent from the book, there is the option to recreate the Draikana from Dawn of War III with the Questoris Knight entry.

Keel wrote:
Not really. Gravis weapons are "better" versions of the weapons in some way, usually also twin-linked, but there are twin-linked weapons that are not Gravis and Gravis weapons that are not twin-linked (like the Gravis lascannon, which is twin-linked in the box pamphlet but not in the Liber books).

With regards to Contemptors, the Gravis weapons are just all the TL weapons found in 40k, which was the relevant info for someone confused on why there aren't any Gravis weapons in 40k.

 Gert wrote:

Keel wrote:
Not really. Gravis weapons are "better" versions of the weapons in some way, usually also twin-linked, but there are twin-linked weapons that are not Gravis and Gravis weapons that are not twin-linked (like the Gravis lascannon, which is twin-linked in the box pamphlet but not in the Liber books).

With regards to Contemptors, the Gravis weapons are just all the TL weapons found in 40k, which was the relevant info for someone confused on why there aren't any Gravis weapons in 40k.

In the sense that they are twin-linked in 40k, you're right, of course. Except the Gravis power fist/chanfist…

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Also quite surprised that the Sicaran kit hasn't sold out yet.

It all just depends how many they made.

But also perhaps so many people now have Spartans for their armies they aren't ready for a 2nd largish tank? Or maybe it's not as well liked aesthetically? I know the Sicaran doesn't do much for me, I'd rather have a Predator squadron.

I will agree here, predators seem to do the same thing but with less points. I think if they had made different turrent options they might have a higher demand. The base weapon pretty much makes it more geared at anti infantry, especially since there are not many light tanks.

Sicaran basic turret ain't that hot, yea. Shame they didn't introduce any new gun options that aren't a full turret swap.

I wonder if we will see other "new" Stuff in the future (without Rules at this date) like Furibundus or Lucifer Pattern Dreadnoughts.

Do you think we could see a new Vindicator Variant with a Volkite weapon?

RazorEdge wrote:
I wonder if we will see other "new" Stuff in the future (without Rules at this date) like Furibundus or Lucifer Pattern Dreadnoughts.

Do you think we could see a new Vindicator Variant with a Volkite weapon?

Hopefully, but not for a long time - there are options in the books not currently available (like a Falchion with Neutron-wave cannon) that should come out first.

RazorEdge wrote:
I wonder if we will see other "new" Stuff in the future (without Rules at this date) like Furibundus or Lucifer Pattern Dreadnoughts.

Do you think we could see a new Vindicator Variant with a Volkite weapon?

A well timed new new unit (as the Kratos) could revitalize interest when it starts fading.

Doubt on the Volkite Vindicator, why would a wall busting tank have a gun that's bad against inorganic matter?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Umm, yeah, it's not really "new hat" syndrome so much as it's "don't want to pay $136 for a 10 man breacher squad" syndrome. But sure, lets pretend that the reason people didn't collect HH for the past 10 years was something other than the insane price and the pain of having to deal with FW and FW resin.

The issue really seems to be that people are getting bent out of shape by the fact that not everything has been updated for a game that's only just been re-released and is in it's (plastic) infancy and they want (insert unit here) re-released in plastic RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I WANT IT!!!
Let's not also forget that the AoD box is a great new army start for a Marine army, just short a few special/heavy weapons, so GW is playing it cool with releases and going with a methodical rate rather than spamming and overwhelming the market with too many new AoD releases as they have no real way of knowing just how many boxes sold were to 40k players.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

A well timed new new unit (as the Kratos) could revitalize interest when it starts fading.

Doubt on the Volkite Vindicator, why would a wall busting tank have a gun that's bad against inorganic matter?

I've always thought a melta vindicator could be cool. Not sure how they'd balance it though, especially given that they've nerfed Ap 2 templates.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Doubt on the Volkite Vindicator, why would a wall busting tank have a gun that's bad against inorganic matter?

Why would GW give Furioso Dreadnoughts a ranged arm weapon otherwise specific to the Deathwatch..?