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 Dysartes wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Even considering all that, the gun ranges are absurdly short in game. 100m if models are 1 inch tall should be 100 inches in game.

Only if you think infantry represent people who are 1m tall - if we assume a 6' infantryman is 1" tall, then 100m would work out at 54.6".

The older editions of WFB had a note on scale in the rulebook; basically all horizontal distances should be assumed to be around ten times what they’re shown as in the text to be “in scale” because they didn’t feel like requiring the game to be played in a car park or warehouse was really a viable option.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Even considering all that, the gun ranges are absurdly short in game. 100m if models are 1 inch tall should be 100 inches in game.

Only if you think infantry represent people who are 1m tall - if we assume a 6' infantryman is 1" tall, then 100m would work out at 54.6".

The older editions of WFB had a note on scale in the rulebook; basically all horizontal distances should be assumed to be around ten times what they’re shown as in the text to be “in scale” because they didn’t feel like requiring the game to be played in a car park or warehouse was really a viable option.

Ranges in 40k made a lot more sense back in the Rogue Trader / early 2nd edition days when anything bigger than man-portable infantry support weapons or the occasional emplacement gun was a rare sight and the heaviest stuff you saw regularly on the table were dreadnoughts and terminators. The differentiation between long and short range bands, combined with to-hit modifiers for cover and concealment, stuff like bolter drill, smoke grenades and so on worked reasonably well for the intense short-range firefights between infantry patrols, characters and light vehicles the game was mainly meant to represent back then. The focus shifted farther and farhter away from that over the years, and nowadays the ranges make a lot less sense when flyers, knights or even titans are a common enough occurence on the battlefield.

Typhon heavy siege tank in plastic.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/15/heresy-thursday-turn-astartes-tanks-and-buildings-into-craters-with-the-typhon-heavy-siege-tank/

I'd have prefered jump troops and seekers aswell as corresponding upgrade sprues but, he , it's the equivalent of the Sturmtiger in 30k, which tbh in plastic i think is awesome but yeah, i'd have prefered plastic Seekers, jumppack users, upgrade sprues for melee and terminator weapons aswell as combi weapons and bikers and anti-grav vehicles which i value as more important than another superheavy / borderline superheavy like the kratos.

Otoh, 30k sturmtiger.

Yes Please Santa, I’ll Have Three, to directly quote notorious Treadhead Ian Pickstock.

I wasn't expecting this kit, but at the same time, they could have thrown in the parts for the Cerberus while they were at it, that way Forge World could retire their Spartan moulds entirely.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yes Please Santa, I’ll Have Three, to directly quote notorious Treadhead Ian Pickstock.

i am concerned about your wallet.
and or credit card(s).


considering i somehow ended up aswell with an armored Alpha legion spearhead though, understandable, now if only i had the bloody time to build and paint.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yes Please Santa, I’ll Have Three, to directly quote notorious Treadhead Ian Pickstock.

i am concerned about your wallet.
and or credit card(s).

Sans Kids, sans Pets, sans other half? Bugger all else to spend my money on 🤣🤣


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 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I wasn't expecting this kit, but at the same time, they could have thrown in the parts for the Cerberus while they were at it, that way Forge World could retire their Spartan moulds entirely.

Cerberus will almost certainly be coming now, for the very reason you said.

Wasn’t expecting this to be a dual kit though, as the necessary gubbins are likely a frame or two unto themselves.

No troops. Only tanks.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
No troops. Only tanks.

Spearhead rite of war says hello.
Altough i see a distinct lack of sicarians in mad docs forces.

Give me time! Got a Cost of Living bonus coming this month, which being all tough and manly and Scottish and stingy with the central heating might become more plastic….

Currently thinking another three Contemptors and maybe a brace of Leviathans. Or four Contemptors, with the fourth being Extra Fancy for Fury of the Ancients…

 lord_blackfang wrote:
No troops. Only tanks.

World of Tanks: The Horus Heresy.

At this point they could have held off with all these tank variants until, at least, they got assault marines out the door.

Well, the Valrak rumour is now right for the first two of three, so it seems like Jetbikes are coming soonish.

I think we might have to accept there are probably business reasons why GW wants to stop doing HH tanks through FW and they are simply higher priority than troops.

I would imagine the return rates on tanks for warped parts was higher on the tanks for a start.

SamusDrake wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
No troops. Only tanks.

World of Tanks: The Horus Heresy.

That's in itself a game concept that i'm sure we'll get on the licensing front sooner or later, if not exactly under that name

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Give me time! Got a Cost of Living bonus coming this month, which being all tough and manly and Scottish and stingy with the central heating might become more plastic….

Currently thinking another three Contemptors and maybe a brace of Leviathans. Or four Contemptors, with the fourth being Extra Fancy for Fury of the Ancients…

Bah my cost of living bonus was an annual 2% payrise back at the end of the tax year with a "be thankful you got that", you've got a good employer there.

No disputing that. Things have been rough the past couple of years, but we’ve a new, permanent High Heedyin and things are finally moving again.

Also gonna donate part of the CoL to a charity, as it seems the right thing to do.


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 The Phazer wrote:
Well, the Valrak rumour is now right for the first two of three, so it seems like Jetbikes are coming soonish.

I think we might have to accept there are probably business reasons why GW wants to stop doing HH tanks through FW and they are simply higher priority than troops.

I would imagine the return rates on tanks for warped parts was higher on the tanks for a start.

I’d imagine Tanks not only take longer to pour and set due to higher part count, but due to the chunkiness, have a higher miscast rate than infantry.

Whilst I’ve never had FW Horror myself (the odd small air bubble and warpage aside), and feel it might be a bit over egged, there have to be castings which get binned because of foul ups?

Tanks!
With special guest appearance by The Space Marines

I presume the Cerberus will follow in a totally separate box, rather than just being part of the box, like shooty and HTH Contemptors/Leviathans did.

One day they'll remember that close combat is a thing in HH, and that infantry play a big role in that part of the game.

Cool. Now give me a Deimos Vindicator as well and my 40K Death Guard is happy, too. Love all dem big siege cannons.

Also Deredeo. And some Assault Infantry.

Not a massive fan of HTH, but I do like shooting them and slapping them around with Dreadnoughts 😂

All i want is seekers and Jumppack infantry and combi weapons and terminator weapons kits.

then they can throw out all the tanks they want because with the above i can build all types of infantry that is available to marines.

Edit: also GW please give me finaly my bloody PDF's for milita and ruinstorm daemons.

Seekers are just normal Marine models with fancy Boltguns. You could literally just paint them with a different scheme and they'd be Seekers.

 Gert wrote:
Seekers are just normal Marine models with fancy Boltguns. You could literally just paint them with a different scheme and they'd be Seekers.

which would lack a lot of combi weapons and equipment. But yeah if GW were to realise a combi-weapon / kraken boltgun set then sure, one could use any type of marine.

Which actually would suit me well, but we would still need jumppacks.

So when the gunner drops down the hatch is he actually in the barrel? I mean I know Marines are known for their flexibility

 Theophony wrote:
So when the gunner drops down the hatch is he actually in the barrel? I mean I know Marines are known for their flexibility

Its a fairly stubby gun, so there's some suspension of disbelief that he's squeezing through the loading space.
Its not as bad as some of the predator guns, where the space under the hatch _is_ the vent for the main gun.

Tsagualsa wrote:


That's in itself a game concept that i'm sure we'll get on the licensing front sooner or later, if not exactly under that name

See! We're even giving them ideas to make even more money! But nooooo! Apparently we're all ungrateful players who do nothing but complain...

 Theophony wrote:
So when the gunner drops down the hatch is he actually in the barrel? I mean I know Marines are known for their flexibility

He's simply doing a traditional Terran style of aiming native to the So'viet Peoples, where they aim their cannons by peeking through the barrels!

True accuracy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
One day they'll remember that close combat is a thing in HH, and that infantry play a big role in that part of the game.

On the day they remember that close combat is a thing we'll get a melee weapon upgrade sprue for the Mk.II tank commander and still be out of infantry options.

 Theophony wrote:
So when the gunner drops down the hatch is he actually in the barrel? I mean I know Marines are known for their flexibility

No, the top hatch is not in line with the barrel. If you'd just looked for a shot of the resin kit you could have ascertained this for yourself. But perhaps you felt that your weak attempts at wit were too important to sully with facts?

Well with plastic not always being same as resin version it could be possible gw screwed up(they aren't exactly best at designing sensible designs) so resin kit looking is pretty irrelevant.

However careful look of the relevant kit(plastic) picture suggests it's slightly to right of the barrel.