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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

Any sightings of a price on the Typhon (and the Vashtorr box, not that it is relevant to this thread) yet?

As every monday, available on retail page.

90e for tank, 170e for big 40k box

 zedmeister wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

I also wouldn't expect it in plastic anytime soon but I also wouldn't have expected all of the tanks before any other infantry so who knows.

But it would be kind of amazing if GW only released despoilers as resin arms but then makes a plastic Mastodon

Pleasantly surprised the Typhon is the same price as the Spartan. Thought the Spartan's price might be depressed a little because of its includion in the starter.

Would wish for Typhon conversion sprue being available seperately for the folks who have spare Spartans from starter boxes lying around.

Plastic mastodon would be surprising. Especially when Arcus and Punisher are still resin. As well as things like Arquitor and Sabre.

 zedmeister wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

I don’t see why.

It’s a gorgeous bit of kit, but a daunting resin kit due to its length. Put it in plastic? Much easier to build, far more affordable.

I genuinely can’t see why the wouldn’t shift it to plastic.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

I don’t see why.

It’s a gorgeous bit of kit, but a daunting resin kit due to its length. Put it in plastic? Much easier to build, far more affordable.

I genuinely can’t see why the wouldn’t shift it to plastic.

Because for the size and number of sprues required for a massive superheavy, they would be a lot better served making the Thunderhawk.

Is Mastodon much bigger than a Baneblade? If not then when we have the latter in plastic why not the former?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Is Mastodon much bigger than a Baneblade? If not then when we have the latter in plastic why not the former?

Only image i could find:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

I don’t see why.

It’s a gorgeous bit of kit, but a daunting resin kit due to its length. Put it in plastic? Much easier to build, far more affordable.

I genuinely can’t see why the wouldn’t shift it to plastic.

Because for the size and number of sprues required for a massive superheavy, they would be a lot better served making the Thunderhawk.

Why the either or though?

Both can be usable in 40K to add further appeal. And the Mastodon, whilst a fairly new addition (first mentioned in Fear To Tread, I think?) it’s become a pretty iconic Heresy wise.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Is Mastodon much bigger than a Baneblade? If not then when we have the latter in plastic why not the former?

IIRC it's taller and more complicated -



(photo from Battle Bunnies

Huh. First time I’ve noticed its front treads are doubled up. Always thought they were just thick.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mastodon got promoted to "No longer available" alongside the Fellblade and Cerberus.

Seems unlikely something that big and that narrow in application would be made into plastic, but the resin's gone.

Such a shame. Such a good model, looks wise. Beyond what I was willing to pay for it. As you say, unlikely to be remade in plastic...

I don’t see why.

It’s a gorgeous bit of kit, but a daunting resin kit due to its length. Put it in plastic? Much easier to build, far more affordable.

I genuinely can’t see why the wouldn’t shift it to plastic.

Because for the size and number of sprues required for a massive superheavy, they would be a lot better served making the Thunderhawk.

Why the either or though?

Both can be usable in 40K to add further appeal. And the Mastodon, whilst a fairly new addition (first mentioned in Fear To Tread, I think?) it’s become a pretty iconic Heresy wise.

Economics. Why you think every company doesn't use plastic for everything?

It's possible it could made into plastic. Please, make sure it keeps it's interior detail and moving parts...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Huh. First time I’ve noticed its front treads are doubled up. Always thought they were just thick.

All the tracks are doubled up, for reasons...

Those intent on the Mastodon not coming to plastic are…confusing.

It seems to be OOS in resin. Yet remains in the books, having avoided the initial cull that HH 2nd Ed brought about.

Other stuff has gone, then been revealed to be coming in plastic (Glaive and FellBlade yet to be shown off). But somehow, for reasons I’m just not grasping, the Mastodon therefore isn’t cross the Rubicon Plasticarus?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Those intent on the Mastodon not coming to plastic are…confusing.

It seems to be OOS in resin. Yet remains in the books, having avoided the initial cull that HH 2nd Ed brought about.

Other stuff has gone, then been revealed to be coming in plastic (Glaive and FellBlade yet to be shown off). But somehow, for reasons I’m just not grasping, the Mastodon therefore isn’t cross the Rubicon Plasticarus?

It's just not that useful of an unit. It gets tarpitted too easily

 zedmeister wrote:
It's possible it could made into plastic. Please, make sure it keeps it's interior detail and moving parts...

And the bottom plate

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Those intent on the Mastodon not coming to plastic are…confusing.

It seems to be OOS in resin. Yet remains in the books, having avoided the initial cull that HH 2nd Ed brought about.

Other stuff has gone, then been revealed to be coming in plastic (Glaive and FellBlade yet to be shown off). But somehow, for reasons I’m just not grasping, the Mastodon therefore isn’t cross the Rubicon Plasticarus?

And previously stuff has gone out of sale and come back. FW site has that funny feature when it incorrectly marks out of stock same as gone for good.

It's possible it comes in plastic but maybe it doesn't. Certainly there would be lot more profitable kits to turn into plastic over mastodon. How many buy couple hundred euro kit which isn't easily usable in game?

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Those intent on the Mastodon not coming to plastic are…confusing.

It seems to be OOS in resin. Yet remains in the books, having avoided the initial cull that HH 2nd Ed brought about.

Other stuff has gone, then been revealed to be coming in plastic (Glaive and FellBlade yet to be shown off). But somehow, for reasons I’m just not grasping, the Mastodon therefore isn’t cross the Rubicon Plasticarus?

And previously stuff has gone out of sale and come back. FW site has that funny feature when it incorrectly marks out of stock same as gone for good.

It's possible it comes in plastic but maybe it doesn't. Certainly there would be lot more profitable kits to turn into plastic over mastodon. How many buy couple hundred euro kit which isn't easily usable in game?

More than would buy the same gaming piece for several hundred quid in resin.

I think folk overestimate how expensive it is to make the kit plastic. The resin requires the moulds be remade periodically due to deterioration. Steel moulds for plastic inject? Just…not so much.

It is an investment, of course it is. But it’s not as if it would ever struggle to pay its way.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Those intent on the Mastodon not coming to plastic are…confusing.

A not particularly charismatic, extremely niche unit in a niche side game would be a very strange choice for being GW's largest plastic kit of all time.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Those intent on the Mastodon not coming to plastic are…confusing.

A not particularly charismatic, extremely niche unit in a niche side game would be a very strange choice for being GW's largest plastic kit of all time.

Is there any sort of actual information on it coming, or is it just people freaking out over Forgeworld website nonsense for the umpteenth time?

Tsagualsa wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Those intent on the Mastodon not coming to plastic are…confusing.

A not particularly charismatic, extremely niche unit in a niche side game would be a very strange choice for being GW's largest plastic kit of all time.

Is there any sort of actual information on it coming, or is it just people freaking out over Forgeworld website nonsense for the umpteenth time?

It is best described as "hopeful freaking out."

I already have 1 Mastodon in 30K EC colors, but I would not say no to a couple of plastic ones for 40K Space Wolves and a 40K Sons of the Phoenix. Unfortunately (fortunately for my gaming buddies), I cannot justify more Mastodons (or Glaives) in resin for my forces. Now plastic is another thing altogether.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Those intent on the Mastodon not coming to plastic are…confusing.

It seems to be OOS in resin. Yet remains in the books, having avoided the initial cull that HH 2nd Ed brought about.

Other stuff has gone, then been revealed to be coming in plastic (Glaive and FellBlade yet to be shown off). But somehow, for reasons I’m just not grasping, the Mastodon therefore isn’t cross the Rubicon Plasticarus?

And previously stuff has gone out of sale and come back. FW site has that funny feature when it incorrectly marks out of stock same as gone for good.

It's possible it comes in plastic but maybe it doesn't. Certainly there would be lot more profitable kits to turn into plastic over mastodon. How many buy couple hundred euro kit which isn't easily usable in game?

More than would buy the same gaming piece for several hundred quid in resin.

I think folk overestimate how expensive it is to make the kit plastic. The resin requires the moulds be remade periodically due to deterioration. Steel moulds for plastic inject? Just…not so much.

It is an investment, of course it is. But it’s not as if it would ever struggle to pay its way.

Yea sure. Everv company is wrong and you are right.everything is most profitable in plastic.

What's your company's profit rate again? How many billions you are making?

Funny how sure you are of plastification over feature of shop that has been going for years not every no longer available means that. Those have habit of also coming back when stock has been restocked.[code]

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But somehow, for reasons I’m just not grasping, the Mastodon therefore isn’t cross the Rubicon Plasticarus?

It would literally be easier to make (far more profitable) Warhound titan in plastic than this thing. It has a massive sides, top and bottom, box for that thing would be literally microwave sized. Warhound, though, besides top carapace, is pretty lean and you can fit most of the parts on reasonably sized sprues. Especially if it's Lucius or any other pattern with angular, flat plates.

beast_gts wrote:
All the tracks are doubled up, for reasons...

You mean, like in RL superheavy tanks? Ground pressure is a thing, make it too big and you armored box won't go anywhere but will just self-dig itself in on press of 'go' button.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The current kits have Mk6 arms, so... no. They don't go with any other mark

Except Mk VII and (possibly) Mk V, you mean?

Also funny that, new Despoiler arms resemble Mk X most of all and somehow no one picked up on that little detail, not even dumb 'muh knees' nonsense crowd, so if anything, they could go on mostly anything that isn't II or III. The differences are so minute they are hard to spot unless you're really looking for them and from the tabletop height any of the Mk IV-X arms look pretty much the same...

Would a Warhound be more profitable though?

I mean. I wouldn’t say not to one of those either. But it’s a lot of points, and for most armies, something you need to ally in.

The Mastodon is also a lot of points, but something the majority of Heresy armies, being Marines, can just include, rules for LoW limits not withstanding.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Would a Warhound be more profitable though?

I mean. I wouldn’t say not to one of those either. But it’s a lot of points, and for most armies, something you need to ally in.

The Mastodon is also a lot of points, but something the majority of Heresy armies, being Marines, can just include, rules for LoW limits not withstanding.

The Warhound can be of interest for any imperial or chaos army, not just marines, and is usable both in Heresy and 'regular' 40k, as well as being a much more iconic model overall. I'd say advantage: Warhound.

But anyway, that's all a bit of a mute discussion, i'd say they'd do a plastic thunderhawk before both of these In 40k scale, not the aeronautica one

A plastic Thunderhawk (in 40K scale) is not a question of if, it's a question of when. So many of us fantasized owning one back when they were the biggest thing you could buy on White Dwarf magazines.

It will come, and nostalgia freaks will buy em in droves

 tauist wrote:
A plastic Thunderhawk (in 40K scale) is not a question of if, it's a question of when. So many of us fantasized owning one back when they were the biggest thing you could buy on White Dwarf magazines.

It will come, and nostalgia freaks will buy em in droves

I'd buy a Mastodon/Titan/Thunderhawk in plastic almost immediately & most likely all of them sooner rather than later.