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Thud far there's been no mention of them being done up in plastic.

I assume it'll happen, more a question of when rather than if.


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Just saw on FB, US pricing conformed at $210

chaos0xomega wrote:
It could be a box for $75, but a $5 change doesn't really make the set less value than the legiones astartes battle group, does it? No sense quibbling over $5.

The point is that in a relatively short span, we had 3 different units of Marines with 2 different price points.

I very much doubt it's a box of 20 for $60

Then there's very likely a significant shake-up coming to the actual army structure, wouldn't you think?

(and actually the wording in the LVO preview implied that they'll end up being sold individually in sets of 10 rather than 20, so I imagine it could end up being even more expensive)

The wording on the LVO preview is the same market-speak they use for the individual 20 model sets of things.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Thud far there's been no mention of them being done up in plastic.

I assume it'll happen, more a question of when rather than if.


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Just saw on FB, US pricing conformed at $210

For anyone curious (you can convert to other regions more accurately with GBP) it's £125 for the box and £25 for the dice.

I really don't need another HH army, but the SA boxed set is very tempting. The Dracosan is the main draw. I will definitely try and get hold of the Apothecaries, although I am sure they will run out of stock almost immediately.

No, no, no, no, no, must not buy anymore Heresy stuff. (until they release either a plastic Fire Raptor or Thunderbolt) no matter how good the Auxilia look

Those are some damn fine Auxilia. A pair of battlegroups would be a fine start to an army and no mistake.

I’m pretty damn happy with the same price as the Astartes one. I’ll probably only get one, I’m starting them off as allies (mainly to justify it easier).

 Snrub wrote:
Those are some damn fine Auxilia. A pair of battlegroups would be a fine start to an army and no mistake.

Not really sadly:

You got 2 massivly overpriced transports and barely 2 troop choices with a sentinel that we don't know if it can carry the army in the field because sure as hell the Rest will as of now not perform for the task.

The best thing in the box is simultaniously the most boring thing, aka the leman russ.

It would've been a better box with more infantry and a second leman to start a functional SA army.

Great box to start on an Ash Wastes crawler with escort, tho

Not interested in the Solar Auxilia box, but very keen for those Apothecaries - lovely sculpts.

 Kanluwen wrote:

CorwinB wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

CorwinB wrote:
That's a pretty packed week! I'm wondering if the Solar Auxilia box is a limited release (probably, but you never know) ?

It's likely similar to the Battlegroup for Marines...sad part is that since they're not seemingly doing individual releases, that means I'm screwed.

Confirmed as limited release on Twitter by the official GW account. But for the SM battle group, they released all new kits (MK3 & Deredeo) individually at a later time. Should be the same for SA.

They released all the Marine kits at the same time. I posted the preorder preview article.

There's a reason why the battlegroup has lasted for Marines and why this won't for Auxilia.

You mean beside marine box not being limited run? Kind of makes difference. Limited vs non-limited.

The marine box was a limited run? Been sold out online in the UK for ages, can’t find it at any retailers here, says available while stocks last on the US site.

€ prices:
At least in Europe its 10€ more than the Astartes Battlegroup

Rip. More for less isn't a good look for an army that allready will require more models.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Rip. More for less isn't a good look for an army that allready will require more models.

It’s 5 less infantry but an extra tank. That doesn’t really feel like less to me.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Rip. More for less isn't a good look for an army that allready will require more models.

It’s 5 less infantry but an extra tank. That doesn’t really feel like less to me.

The problem is the relative part. The 5 inf are the sentinel. (Funnily enough in pts it's even exactly that unless this thing is superior to a normal sentinel with the price in pts too.)

In regards to slots the bb for marines had realistically atleast 2 troopslots filled with ease and extra frills with special weapons. So atleast 2 at maximum all your troop slots.

It had dedicated AA/AT with the deredeo and a proetus.

This box has barely 2 troops. More realistically it has a singular troop since you'd want to take advantage of the tercio rule and even then it's a massivly understrength tercio in a game where ap4 is the single most common AP value... That is not a winning recipie for holding any objective at all so you'd require another 25 sa infantry to Form a serious troopslot.

In pts, this box is about 650 pts +-. The marine box had 750 +-

It has a transport which is overpriced in points by about 75 pts, (40%) ignoring the demolisher for now because we are talking about ordnance on a transport and it flat out sucking.

So in pts it can't compete. In Models it has less than marines, with an bonus tank but it also has a worse tactical spread and listbuilding spread.

Don't get me wrong the looks are awesome and i am a sucker for the malcador chassis in all it's forms but from a getting started in HH with sa, this box is a comparativly worse offering. For an allready weaker and more modell requiring army and more expensive at the Same time.

In game terms it's considerably less. Dracosan vs Proteus is pretty laughable. Alarming to see that no consideration was made for low points values on a horde army, so collecting it will still be far more brutal on the wallet than Marines.

Fair enough. Personally I don’t overly care about the rules right now, and I think it was always gonna be less points wise than the Astartes one, so I don’t overly mind it being slightly more expensive. It feels like a pretty good deal to me, relative to other similar priced releases.

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 ImAGeek wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Rip. More for less isn't a good look for an army that allready will require more models.

It’s 5 less infantry but an extra tank. That doesn’t really feel like less to me.

The problem is the relative part. The 5 inf are the sentinel. (Funnily enough in pts it's even exactly that unless this thing is superior to a normal sentinel with the price in pts too.)

In regards to slots the bb for marines had realistically atleast 2 troopslots filled with ease and extra frills with special weapons. So atleast 2 at maximum all your troop slots.

It had dedicated AA/AT with the deredeo and a proetus.

This box has barely 2 troops. More realistically it has a singular troop since you'd want to take advantage of the tercio rule and even then it's a massivly understrength tercio in a game where ap4 is the single most common AP value... That is not a winning recipie for holding any objective at all so you'd require another 25 sa infantry to Form a serious troopslot.

In pts, this box is about 650 pts +-. The marine box had 750 +-

It has a transport which is overpriced in points by about 75 pts, (40%) ignoring the demolisher for now because we are talking about ordnance on a transport and it flat out sucking.

So in pts it can't compete. In Models it has less than marines, with an bonus tank but it also has a worse tactical spread and listbuilding spread.

Don't get me wrong the looks are awesome and i am a sucker for the malcador chassis in all it's forms but from a getting started in HH with sa, this box is a comparativly worse offering. For an allready weaker and more modell requiring army and more expensive at the Same time.

As someone whose gaming friends keep trying to drum up HH enthusiasm and with respect to me, failing massively this really highlights the issue for me.

The models are largely gated to their respective games, so hard to cross over collections, lowering value.

Anything outside of the blandest beigest force force needs expensive FW parts or a 3d printer.

Anything not in mainline plastic and some of it made from plastic are incredibly expensive even by GW standards, creating a fear of "the wrong unit".

The game is designed around bigger games, there is no easy segway in to the game without complying with the spend a lot of stuff and consequently hit the above issues.

I think since the age of Darkness box set, they have been a tiny bit more measured in terms of infantry in the big boxes. Painting fatigue is a thing. In addition, those model are lovely, but will be a pain to paint, more so than marines.

45+ of them in a box would have been a non starter for many many people.

On the last Part dudeface, i can say that actually the game plays for most forces well enough from 1000- 3000 pts. Probably better than any point 40k ever did in that bracket of points. Certainly in a casual setting even if the gloves come Off partially.


The gatekeeping is gw's problem and very likely tied internally between the fw side of things and
the gw side of things. Frankly it's disturbing how Units got Cut out of 40k to achieve that effect, as soon as they appeared in plastic.

Otoh positively it is a better wargame on the mechanical side of things.
Conversion is encouraged and ist also Part of the solution of your other issues and overall despite beeing "larger" often models are in plastic cheaper and the average force with some resin is still often cheaper than many a 40k army.

The point beeing, as with all gw systems there are ways to go about it smart and it is regardless expensive in most cases.

chaos0xomega wrote:
SA box (estimated):
$80 for the SA infantry
$45 for the command squad
$50 for the sentinel
$65 for the russ
$80 for the dracosan

Total $320

I admire your optimism. It would be wishful thinking even in 2023, but now, GW started another round of annual stealth price hikes (DA termies are 70$, an increase over brand new termie box, when previously GW prices all TDA kits the same). Oh, and HH predator, smaller than Russ, is 70$ also, and that's 2022 price. I want you to be right, but you won't be

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
A regular Astra Militarum sentinel is $45. The Aethon is bigger and contains more parts to cover the large variety of weapons available to it. One would assume that will translate to a need for more sprues, which means more dollars.

On the contrary, the Aethon might be bigger...but it's not having to waste sprue space building two variants.

LOL. Ballistus dreadnought, ETB kit of roughly the same size/amount of sprues, with no alternative weapons, no alternative variants, no alternative decorations, no alternative nothing, is 70$. This is a massive stealth price hike seeing ETB Redemptor, bigger kit with alternative options had discount over regular one but was deemed too affordable and was squatted, and now its closest equivalent not only has no ETB bonus but has price band of bigger and much more complex models.

If you believe Aethon will be 45$ I have a bridge on Cthonia I can sell real cheap

So do you REALLY still think that a box of 20 Solar Auxilia, with no upgrades included, will be $80? When there's a Marine unit of similar numbers at $75? When similar sized 20 model unit boxes(Skeletons, Zombies, and Mortek Guard) for AoS are $60?

A) these prices are years old, B) these are smaller, horde minis with few if any options C) AoS always had discounts over 40K here and there. Yes, Mk III are cheaper but A) these have competition from two other Mk troop boxes, B) I suspect Mk VI didn't sold all that well due to whining of the purists and flood of cheap Mk VI from starters, C) Mk III is all of two sprues and one of them is recycled from Mk VI, massively reducing development cost.

I expect Solar kit will get usual new faction treatment, again would love to be wrong but that old Discworld quote about hoping for one in a million roll is really appropriate here

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think since the age of Darkness box set, they have been a tiny bit more measured in terms of infantry in the big boxes. Painting fatigue is a thing. In addition, those model are lovely, but will be a pain to paint, more so than marines.

45+ of them in a box would have been a non starter for many many people.

Players looking at solar auxilia will regardless paint that many minies in infantry and the draw torwards auxilia is lineinfantry in space.
All this box does is faking an lower modell count than inevitably will be needed to be painted even if you go full Mechanised with dracosans whilest also beeing cheap on the content in pts and functionality for a higher price than the bb.

It's probably still a significant saving but the Deal on offer is not as good as the models Look from a realistic hobbyiests perspective.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think since the age of Darkness box set, they have been a tiny bit more measured in terms of infantry in the big boxes. Painting fatigue is a thing. In addition, those model are lovely, but will be a pain to paint, more so than marines.

45+ of them in a box would have been a non starter for many many people.

"Player starting horde army doesn't want a lot of models in the discount box" is one of the weirder copiums I've seen this month. But I admit I keep out of the 40k section

So anyway, how hard do you think it would be to sculpt in the "quilting" pattern on the sleeves of the SA infantry with greenstuff? It's such an iconic detail on the original model range and in the artwork, and GW cut it entirely from these minis for ease of manufacture.

chaos0xomega wrote:
So anyway, how hard do you think it would be to sculpt in the "quilting" pattern on the sleeves of the SA infantry with greenstuff? It's such an iconic detail on the original model range and in the artwork, and GW cut it entirely from these minis for ease of manufacture.

Score the “flat” surface you want to add to with a knife so the putty has something to key to, mix up your putty and apply in a thin layer. Let it set a bit until no longer tacky, then press in the quilting pattern with a straight edge. Use a silicone tool or a damp toothpick or dental scoop to smooth the quilted pads into the correct pillow shape. Optionally add dots of putty at the corners of the quilted squares/diamonds.

Personally I’m glad that stuff is gone though.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/26/solar-auxilia-kit-focus-building-the-finest-human-infantry-in-the-galaxy/

Sprue pics are pretty cool..





My Sargents are a bit jealous at the Pistol options.

Nice hammer but oof, those separate antennas look rough

They’re bayonets (if that changes anything).