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Damn, you'd think this guy was the next Pumbagore.

He doesn't really need much to be great, though I get that people shouldn't be expected to fix their models beyond cleaning casting lines and filling gaps.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

caladancid wrote:
That was definitely a reveal.

Alright you know what to do- Kopium Krew explain how this isn't a dumpster fire with no plan! Go!

There's nothing about this new miniature specifically that supports the idea any more or less than previous things do.

This is a good first try, but you can do better.

The preview of one model at a time really are dragging this out for little fanfare. And nothing really compensates for the change to base sizes.

So far the only news to be excited about is the re-release of some of the old plastic kits, which means I might buy a few new units for my 8th edition armies and keep playing that once in a blue moon.

caladancid wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

caladancid wrote:
That was definitely a reveal.

Alright you know what to do- Kopium Krew explain how this isn't a dumpster fire with no plan! Go!

There's nothing about this new miniature specifically that supports the idea any more or less than previous things do.

This is a good first try, but you can do better.

Go on then, explain how this miniature supports that idea any more than the previous stuff did.

I don't think this project is going to go too well myself, but this new miniature doesn't add anything to that either way. We already know there isn't going to be a huge amount of new things.

 DarkBlack wrote:
This has dragged so badly that Mantic can simply point out that you can play Kings of War right now to market their game.
They did it in response to the original square base announcement too and it's hard to say it's too soon to do it again.

And it's still the same game it was when I tried it after End Times blew up the world, and I didn't like it then when it was effectively free, and I'm certainly not paying for a game I'm not going to like now.

If it's to your taste, more power to you. It's not to mine, and we'll leave it at that.

Gotta love the duality of man -

"If they release 20 year old style minis I'll be in heaven! That's all they have to do!"

"This looks like it's from 2004 and it's awful, reeeeeee!"

 Vulcan wrote:

 DarkBlack wrote:
This has dragged so badly that Mantic can simply point out that you can play Kings of War right now to market their game.
They did it in response to the original square base announcement too and it's hard to say it's too soon to do it again.

And it's still the same game it was when I tried it after End Times blew up the world, and I didn't like it then when it was effectively free, and I'm certainly not paying for a game I'm not going to like now.

If it's to your taste, more power to you. It's not to mine, and we'll leave it at that.

Can I ask what you do play currently?

Honestly?


The model is great but its at an awkward pose and angle together make it look meh, but once we have it in our hands I'm sure it'll look fantastic.

Dynamic action pose from horse back will always have some funky angles to make it look weird

For me, the question is one about logistics.
GW already has issues supplying 40k and AoS, nvm HH which had a huge push and then was left to languish.
Now we get epic, a whole other supply line and ToW? And whilest i rekon development time for ToW to be comparativly short since GW can recycle just the old moulds, that is still a question of running the machines and stockpiling product for sale.

this depends what the release will bring

limited edition box set with Khemri and Bretonnia, each with 2 new resin heroes and 2 old plastic units and 1 new one and a rulebook
while the other faction coming as made to order one at a time with the army book release over the next years is a possibility

I find it hard to imagine there will be any resin in the boxed set, as add-ons yes but not in the box

I've been staring at this for a while and I think I know what else is bothering me about it. It doesn't feel like a BSB. The standard is big, but very plain, the rider is slouched his weapon not doing anything. It doesn't have the oomph of a BSB, it looks more like a regular unit standard, especially when you compare it to the older BSB on the previous page.

Missed opportunity to finally release a Joan of Arc miniature! That is pretty much the last piece I need to be done with Bretonnians and lay them in whatever system down to the end of my life.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Damn, you'd think this guy was the next Pumbagore.

He doesn't really need much to be great, though I get that people shouldn't be expected to fix their models beyond cleaning casting lines and filling gaps.

Spoiler:

Took me a moment to realise that this was an edit. Really subtle but makes an enormous difference to the overall finish.

but now the models does not look like the old design any more and it is not improved at all as it was already a great model before /s

leopard wrote:I find it hard to imagine there will be any resin in the boxed set, as add-ons yes but not in the box

we don't know if it will be a boxed set, better said we already know that it won't be a regular boxed set so it might be just a bundle with the exclusive resin models as add-on

but what other reason is there to show us single models if they are not part of the launch bundle

Mozzamanx wrote:


Took me a moment to realise that this was an edit. Really subtle but makes an enormous difference to the overall finish.

If this is so subtle, maybe it wasn't that big of a deal in the first place.

In reality, when you're in game at Battle's scale, you hardly see the difference. That's the point.

 kodos wrote:
but now the models does not look like the old design any more and it is not improved at all as it was already a great model before /s

leopard wrote:I find it hard to imagine there will be any resin in the boxed set, as add-ons yes but not in the box

we don't know if it will be a boxed set, better said we already know that it won't be a regular boxed set so it might be just a bundle with the exclusive resin models as add-on

but what other reason is there to show us single models if they are not part of the launch bundle

stuff that will be released alongside it?

Sarouan wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:


Took me a moment to realise that this was an edit. Really subtle but makes an enormous difference to the overall finish.

If this is so subtle, maybe it wasn't that big of a deal in the first place.

In reality, when you're in game at Battle's scale, you hardly see the difference. That's the point.

Maybe not a massive deal, but of the 2 images below, I feel that one is better than the other. None of the actual details have changed, its purely down to proportions and alignment.
It probably just comes across as whinging but I feel like we are yet again seeing a model where minor attention to fundamentals ends up with something much better. It's frustrating that what I hoped to be a major project, has so little to show for it and what has been done, can be improved upon so easily.

Mozzamanx wrote:


Maybe not a massive deal, but of the 2 images below, I feel that one is better than the other. None of the actual details have changed, its purely down to proportions and alignment.

Yeah, it's just a feeling. Honestly, when I look the two pictures, I just see one that is slightly bigger than the other. And I don't feel one is better.

Maybe because in reality, we all have all kinds of sizes for humans and animals of the same species. As for the proportions, again, at the size of a game, you won't be nitpicking about this. It's likely you won't even notice it at all.

We have already that kind of debate plenty on previous previews based on just pictures, and when the miniature gets out...it's not that big of a deal made on the internet. Feels it's the same here.

 RustyNumber wrote:
Gotta love the duality of man -

"If they release 20 year old style minis I'll be in heaven! That's all they have to do!"

"This looks like it's from 2004 and it's awful, reeeeeee!"

For Bretonnians, they had to go back 25 years to reach the awesome Perry models.

Are there any classic Bretonnian Minis that have the leather over the mail coif like that does? Looking at some of them, it seems to be one or the other, a few have bits of cloth over mail but not in that same way.

 kestral wrote:
Missed opportunity to finally release a Joan of Arc miniature! That is pretty much the last piece I need to be done with Bretonnians and lay them in whatever system down to the end of my life.

...you know that already existed right? Repanse de Lyonesse is a thing.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 RustyNumber wrote:
Gotta love the duality of man -

"If they release 20 year old style minis I'll be in heaven! That's all they have to do!"

"This looks like it's from 2004 and it's awful, reeeeeee!"

For Bretonnians, they had to go back 25 years to reach the awesome Perry models.

I concur. Wish they'd gone that bit further back.

Sarouan wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:


Took me a moment to realise that this was an edit. Really subtle but makes an enormous difference to the overall finish.

If this is so subtle, maybe it wasn't that big of a deal in the first place.

In reality, when you're in game at Battle's scale, you hardly see the difference. That's the point.

This whole argument, that the poor sculpt doesn’t matter because you won’t see how bad it is from across the table, is a really good argument…for why you should avoid spending GW money and just use Fireforge or Gripping Beast knights for a fraction of the cost. By your logic, From across the table, you can’t even complain about Mantic minis!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


This whole argument, that the poor sculpt doesn’t matter

It's simply not a poor sculpt. The miniature is fine. People are complaining about some "weird proportions" (I don't really see that, honestly) or lack of details. I don't really see people in good faith here saying it's a bad sculpt.

I was answering specifically about the two pictures of one being "slightly bigger", that's something you'll indeed not see the difference in game.

Just because you can’t perceive the difference between good proportions and bad proportions doesn’t mean the difference doesn’t exist. I can’t tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi, but I know better than to tell soda aficionados who paid for Coke to shut up and enjoy their Pepsi.

For $40 or more, the miniature should be better than “from across the table it’s fine.”

 RustyNumber wrote:
Gotta love the duality of man -

"If they release 20 year old style minis I'll be in heaven! That's all they have to do!"

"This looks like it's from 2004 and it's awful, reeeeeee!"

Thats seemingly going to sum up this whole release.
Happy for friends in camp 1, I'd like to join them but not feeling it.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:

 DarkBlack wrote:
This has dragged so badly that Mantic can simply point out that you can play Kings of War right now to market their game.
They did it in response to the original square base announcement too and it's hard to say it's too soon to do it again.

And it's still the same game it was when I tried it after End Times blew up the world, and I didn't like it then when it was effectively free, and I'm certainly not paying for a game I'm not going to like now.

If it's to your taste, more power to you. It's not to mine, and we'll leave it at that.

Can I ask what you do play currently?

Spend the last few years in the boonies playing a whole lot of nothing. Trying to find a group that still plays 8th now that I'm back in civilization.

 Vulcan wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:

 DarkBlack wrote:
This has dragged so badly that Mantic can simply point out that you can play Kings of War right now to market their game.
They did it in response to the original square base announcement too and it's hard to say it's too soon to do it again.

And it's still the same game it was when I tried it after End Times blew up the world, and I didn't like it then when it was effectively free, and I'm certainly not paying for a game I'm not going to like now.

If it's to your taste, more power to you. It's not to mine, and we'll leave it at that.

Can I ask what you do play currently?

Spend the last few years in the boonies playing a whole lot of nothing. Trying to find a group that still plays 8th now that I'm back in civilization.

Checked with Eighth Edition For Life yet?

It's an alright model, but players expect more by this point.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
It's an alright model, but players expect more by this point.

That was basically my thought, especially given that it's FW resin and is therefore going to cost your left arm and first born to get.

But I was never a big fan of the 6th edition Bretonnian range anyway, they always had wonky proportions, chunky details and too much detail at the expense of not having a nice "flow" to the models... so perhaps it's just a personal bias.