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if we assume the mentioned 32 model boxes for Archers is the current 45 GBP price point, the mentioned content would be 50% discount in the box

pgmason wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
The "land boat on wheels" was built by Marienburg after its independence in 2429, nearly 1000 years after TOW is set.

Too many zeroes. ToW is set in the lead-up to the Great War Against Chaos, which was around 2300.

The Age of Three Emperors started in the 1500's and TOW is set in that period before the Great War Against Chaos.

But yes, still several hundred years before Marienburg was independent.

I wonder if it will be in the middle of the 3E, concurrent with Mordheim. That provides a lot of potential.

Don't tease me like that, Hellebore. That would only lead to false hopes (such as Sigmarite Sisters as an option in Empire armies or *gasp* a reboot of Mordheim).

 Hellebore wrote:
I wonder if it will be in the middle of the 3E, concurrent with Mordheim. That provides a lot of potential.

It seems to be quite a bit later than Mordheim.

The original Louen Orc Slayer reference would seem to date it well after, then more recently GW have said it is set after the Vampire Wars as the reason VC are not a main army for it.

Mordheim is set before the first Vampire War, so significantly earlier.

Prior to the announcement of The Old World, I thought that if GW were to do anything with the setting they only just blew up, they'd go with Mordheim. Maybe when Necromunda was more complete and sales start to slag.

I wouldn't take the existence of The Old World or the time its set in as any sign for or against Mordheim. The game seems separately viable to me. If they want to remake it, I'd expect it'll be because they want to replicate what they have with Necromunda, regardless of any success or failure The Old World might have. Not the least because GW sees value enough in the Warhammer Fantasy setting to invest (ever so cautiously) in a followup game without much proof of its viability.

(Another) KS for 3d printable Tomb Kings just started

It's a good time. GW makes it exceptionally easy on the competition with their lack of commitment.

 Geifer wrote:
It's a good time. GW makes it exceptionally easy on the competition with their lack of commitment.

Sadly for Gw, the warhammer fantasy IP long outgrew its need for official GW support. Its not even like 40k, where it 'needs' gw to continue using very specific iconography on its minis.

Pegasus duke is a fantastic sculpt and will absolutely find a spot on my shelf.

 Geifer wrote:
Prior to the announcement of The Old World, I thought that if GW were to do anything with the setting they only just blew up, they'd go with Mordheim. Maybe when Necromunda was more complete and sales start to slag.

I wouldn't take the existence of The Old World or the time its set in as any sign for or against Mordheim. The game seems separately viable to me. If they want to remake it, I'd expect it'll be because they want to replicate what they have with Necromunda, regardless of any success or failure The Old World might have. Not the least because GW sees value enough in the Warhammer Fantasy setting to invest (ever so cautiously) in a followup game without much proof of its viability.

Setting is supposed to be after 1999 and 2300 when Magnus the Pious cleanses Mordheim. So its a possibility. The game is living very well as fan supported though. I hope GW just keeps their hands off it. Not like they're going to release a starter set with cardboard buildings again. And they cant compete with the selection in 3d printed terrain...

 kodos wrote:
if we assume the mentioned 32 model boxes for Archers is the current 45 GBP price point, the mentioned content would be 50% discount in the box

Here's my back of the napkin math for a GW set of 32 models. 45GBP is less than two dollars per model. Can't have that. Let's double it to 64 GBP. Then let's add another to round it to a nice 65 GBP. Then we'll put a $99 USD price tag on it, which should only be $79 USD, because reasons. Then we'll charge the Aussies $420 aussie dollars for those 32 models. Bob's your uncle!

I'd be really surprised if we see anything close to $2 per model for anything out of ToW, even really old plastic sculpts. Which is a shame, because I might be interested in older models, but not at current price points.

I just assume they'll cost about $60-$75 a box for a full regiment. Which oddly would make them nearly the same cost as when they were originally released

These aren't new plastics that need paying for themselves. Especially the re-release stuff. These are literally the cost of materials for them.

I'm figuring 75-90 for a full box, based on the cost of 20 Mk3/6 marines or 10 Cataphractii/Tartaros Termies.

They may be old kits but they have enhanced value because NoStAlGiA. Also, the cost to warehouse, store, and maintain a set of steel molds for ~10 years in usable condition is higher than most people realize, both in terms of the cost of that square footage/cubic volume, but also the energy costs and labor involved. You can't just plop them down in any old room and let them sit and collect dust. Best practices actually require long term storage in a conditioned environment within set temperature and humidity tolerances (i.e. you're paying for HVAC year round), and periodic lubrication/oiling to prevent rust, etc.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm figuring 75-90 for a full box, based on the cost of 20 Mk3/6 marines or 10 Cataphractii/Tartaros Termies.

They may be old kits but they have enhanced value because NoStAlGiA. Also, the cost to warehouse, store, and maintain a set of steel molds for ~10 years in usable condition is higher than most people realize, both in terms of the cost of that square footage/cubic volume, but also the energy costs and labor involved. You can't just plop them down in any old room and let them sit and collect dust. Best practices actually require long term storage in a conditioned environment within set temperature and humidity tolerances (i.e. you're paying for HVAC year round), and periodic lubrication/oiling to prevent rust, etc.

So my old models will probably increase in resalevalue, not decrease, of old world reprints the same models.

I don't really know of any GW minis that haven't increased in value over time, so that goes without saying.

Anyone has the first video about The Old World, when they gloriously move around a square base?

Idk im looking forward to the brets. looks like it'll be a lot of work but that is just fine.

I'm looking forward to SEEING what they're going to do with Bretonnia, and hoping it'll be good.

Not looking forward to whatever extortionate level of pricing they're going to embrace, though.

I'm just hoping the Cheese Wedge formation isn't too busted.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I don't really know of any GW minis that haven't increased in value over time, so that goes without saying.

I think blood knights actually got cheaper when they got a plastic kit for AOS. The finecast models cost $100 and I think they're like forty dollars less now. Though thats more of a case of the models being way overpriced

That's a good point on that. I wonder how that's impacted the value of metal blood Knights though. There's plenty of minis that have been resculpted, but the older ones gain value over the newer ones. Juan Diaz daemonettes for example.

chaos0xomega wrote:
That's a good point on that. I wonder how that's impacted the value of metal blood Knights though. There's plenty of minis that have been resculpted, but the older ones gain value over the newer ones. Juan Diaz daemonettes for example.

Ah yes, Juan Diaz daemonettes. Made of a hard, firm, lustrous material. And of such value they inflame covetous and possessive desire far in excess of reason. Indeed the Slaanesh is strong with these ones.

Back on topic, the last few Made to Orders for old minis make me wince at the probable price point for The Old World, even for ancient plastics. GW will charge what it thinks it can get away with. And that's usually a lot.

chaos0xomega wrote:
That's a good point on that. I wonder how that's impacted the value of metal blood Knights though. There's plenty of minis that have been resculpted, but the older ones gain value over the newer ones. Juan Diaz daemonettes for example.

Not every sculpt can gain value though. Most lack certain attributes

 GaroRobe wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I don't really know of any GW minis that haven't increased in value over time, so that goes without saying.

I think blood knights actually got cheaper when they got a plastic kit for AOS. The finecast models cost $100 and I think they're like forty dollars less now. Though thats more of a case of the models being way overpriced

Yes, as nice as it is to see a price go down on a new incarnation of a kit, the price of the metal/resin Blood Knights was a pretty significant outlier from the moment they were released. The reason for the price decrease is just that the plastic version is priced in line with other five model elite cavalry like Chaos Knights. Outside of discount boxes, the only way the price of a GW kit goes down is if it's repackaged like for instance Juggernauts. Model count is doubled but price is a little lower than double.

Horus Heresy's prices have been brought up by a few people occasionally. GW going a similar route with The Old World and offering a small bulk discount that 40k and AoS don't get is about the only way I see us getting any reprieve on price. Otherwise the game will have the same premium we know and love from GW. Let's not forget that we're paying for the brand name. Material cost and age of sculpt won't play much of a role.

 Geifer wrote:
Material cost and age of sculpt won't play much of a role.

See it as an investment for new kits / books to come. While I get what you're saying, it's actually not true : they still do play a role. GW here doesn't just release stuff from before, they still need to produce everything - from plastic new bases to new cardboard boxes. Old molds need maintenance. There are also new kits as they showed it in the previews. And material / logistic cost has risen up significantly since the days of Warhammer Battle.


As for the "competition"...Kickstarters and 3D sculpting are nice and all, but they're not a competition in itself to The Old World here - they are actually dependant of existing game systems more than anything else and they certainly don't want to replace them if they want to keep selling. On KS, a lot of these files are never printed because it's all about FOMO and file hoarding "just in case" most of the time (a bit similar to boardgames from CMON). The number of actual armies fully printed (not even talking about being painted ) is a full job in itself only a handful few will commit to the end. Especially when it's intended to be played only in your close group and certainly not in official stores / tournaments because, well...it's clearly not GW stuff, you know. You can always say "but I know people who came with printed stuff at stores / tournaments !"...they're more the exception than the rule.

However, it's a good thing to have more variety on the market, and it's interesting to see what is the interpretation of the same faction by different people. So it's a very good situation for the hobby, more than for the game. GW will be fine.

Agreed, more choice more better, and ultimately anything that grows the playerbase grows sales.

Sarouan wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Material cost and age of sculpt won't play much of a role.

See it as an investment for new kits / books to come. While I get what you're saying, it's actually not true : they still do play a role. GW here doesn't just release stuff from before, they still need to produce everything - from plastic new bases to new cardboard boxes. Old molds need maintenance. There are also new kits as they showed it in the previews. And material / logistic cost has risen up significantly since the days of Warhammer Battle.


As for the "competition"...Kickstarters and 3D sculpting are nice and all, but they're not a competition in itself to The Old World here - they are actually dependant of existing game systems more than anything else and they certainly don't want to replace them if they want to keep selling. On KS, a lot of these files are never printed because it's all about FOMO and file hoarding "just in case" most of the time (a bit similar to boardgames from CMON). The number of actual armies fully printed (not even talking about being painted ) is a full job in itself only a handful few will commit to the end. Especially when it's intended to be played only in your close group and certainly not in official stores / tournaments because, well...it's clearly not GW stuff, you know. You can always say "but I know people who came with printed stuff at stores / tournaments !"...they're more the exception than the rule.

However, it's a good thing to have more variety on the market, and it's interesting to see what is the interpretation of the same faction by different people. So it's a very good situation for the hobby, more than for the game. GW will be fine.

No lies detected.

Does anyone happen to have a size comparison of Bretonnian knights of the realm and the new Cities of Sigmar knights?

Are you talking about the new foot Knights of the realm or the old mounted foot Knights? I'm assuming you mean the former, the mounted Knights are tiny by comparison, they look like teenagers riding ponies by comparison.