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I am not sure how many peaple would be interested in  starting the 40k league back up in Manchester but I am interested in finding out.  I do not know if it would be a flex league or all the particulars.  I do know Empire games would be the home base. 

I guess we just need a few people to start.  Then if we can agree upon a day to play maybe Empire can help us out.  I like Sunday but I'm up for anything.

I know I'm up for it! If it's on Sundays I can guarantee my roommate will come, as well. I have two other people I know of that will definitely be interested (just haven't mentioned it to them yet).

 

That is great!!!  I am sure the ork man, Shadow_Strike, will play.   Mannahnin is interested and I will be talking to the tinman and stonedog.  I think we could have about ten gamers to start.  If we run a small league, around 1500pts, to begin with we will generate some good gaming and 40k excitement.  I know it can be huge again with some effort.

Empire is open from 12 noon till 6pm on Sundays that gives you a 5 hour block once a week to get your games in we also have a battle ladder board in house thats not being used if you guys want to use it ..

Ork Man says Im diggin' a 40k league of sorts.

We talked on Sunday and this is what I am hearing we will do. There is a battle triangle in the back of Empire games. There are six levels. The goal is to reach the top rung and hold it for three games.

Everyone starts at the bottom rung. There are two ways to advance to the next rung. The first way to advance to the next level is to defeat an opponent on the next higher rung. If you were defeated by an army on a lesser rung you drop a rung. The second way to advance and if there is no one on the next level you must defeat two different opponents on an equal rung to advance to the next rung. If you are on the fifth rung which only has room for two armies you must defeat that army twice to advance. This of course is if the top spot is not occupied.

If you are defeated three times by armies on an equal rung then you drop a rung.

You must play two games in the course of a month or you will be dropped a rung.

I purpose we start March 5th. Any more ideas or changes posted them.

See if you like this simple version

ADVANCING THROUGH THE RANKS
Advancing through the Combat League is all based on challenge tokens.
When the league is first started every player on the bottom level automatically gains a challenge token. Players can ?spend? their token to challenge anyone on the level above them that does not have a challenge token.
Once the challenge has been made the players then fight their battle. If the challenger wins the battle they swap places with the player that they defeated. They must then defend their position to gain another challenge token before they can make another challenge.
If the challenger loses the battle, the player that beat them takes their challenge token and may now make a challenge of their own.
The only exception is that the players on the lowest level of the board receive a new challenge token when they loose.

This is what I gathered from Nate's post. Which was oddly enough, confusing. I mean it makes sense, but I need to clear it up a bit.
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Level 1 ~ Everyone starts here when the competition begins.
Level 2 ~ X Players
Level 3 ~ x Players
Level 4 ~ Y Players
Level 5 ~ 2 Players
Level 6 ~ 1 Player

In order to advance, you must either 1.) Defeat a player above you or 2.) Defeat 2 consecutive players on the same level.
If you lose to someone above you then nothing happens.
If you were defeated by someone on a lower level you drop a level.
If you lose 3 consecutive  games on the same level then you drop a level.
You cannot challenge someone below you.

Meet the quota of 2 games a month or drop a level.
Army lists are not locked, but armies are.
You win by holding Level 6 for 3 games.

Yes, that is what I was shooting for. I like Gordon's Idea but I think it might take more than a few months. I was hoping for a quicker league or battle board scenario. You know, to generate some interest and get some feed back. Then use this as a launching board into something else or more of the same. The main idea is to have fun gaming 40k and build a consistent base up again.

Shadow_Strike
Few quirks I can?t figure out
~You cannot challenge someone below you (?) No, why?
~Losing games must be consecutive in order to drop (?) Yes
~In order to win you must hold the top for 3 games (?) Yes, two loses do not have to be consecutive on this level in order to drop a level.

All battle board games will be 1500 pts unless there is opposition. You can only use one army type. Say I field eldar Uthwe from the eldar uthwe codex then that is the army I field for every battle. It can not be uthwe strike force or Iyanden. If you field speed freaks for the first battle then all your battles will be with speed freaks and not feral orks or regular orks from the codex. I think you get the picture. I like the flex league idea which simple means you can change you army list from battle to battle. You are not locked into one army list. Gordon has offered an all in one template as a prize for the winner. If we all kicked in a few bucks we could have it engraved.

If this is confusing please translate and re-post Shadow_Strike. lol

These are just my Ideas. If you have a suggestion or don't think the above will run smoothly please post what you got. Even if you are not playing with us, we could us the advice.

I have a copy of this system at the store your welcome to come by and read it cause there is no way I'm typing all that.....LOL
it would make more sense in person Also this is very customizable lets talk about number of players and what your looking to do if you want something faster we can do that also two main things that make or break these is the players participation AND commitment.

The biggest problems I can see Nate is the fact that you need to lose 3 consecutive games, or win 2 consecutive games to move a level.

I mean you could lose twice to two people, then win once, then lose twice again, and that player would be stuck on the same level for eternity. But I cant think of any better way of doing this.

Also, level 5 can only hold 2 players. What if level 4 holds, say 6 and level 5 is current empty.
Player A beats Player 2 twice and goes to level 5. Then Player B pulls 2 wins from Player C and he goes to level 5.
What happens when Player C pulls 2 wins from Player D?
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I edited my last post. So people can just see the bulleted stuff.

Also, level 5 can only hold 2 players. What if level 4 holds, say 6 and level 5 is current empty.
Player A beats Player 2 twice and goes to level 5. Then Player B pulls 2 wins from Player C and he goes to level 5.
What happens when Player C pulls 2 wins from Player D?

I think the easiest thing to do in that situation is to state that if either level 5 or level 6 is "full", you can't fight players of your own rank to advance, you must fight the next rank up to win.

Not that I'm playing but possible problem:

You cannot challenge someone below you.

Meet the quota of 2 games a month or drop a level.

Player A (Albert) is in the top rung.
Below him are B(ob) and C(harlie).

Bob plays his two games: he challenges Albert once (and loses), and successfully fends off a challenge from a lower tier.
Charlie plays his two games by successfully fending off two lower tier challengers.
Albert cannot challenge anyone else, but has only fought one game this month.
Does he go down a tier? If yes, who gets bumped from the second highest tier to make room for him?

What if it is his own fault for not playing the two games and he goes down a tier? Again, does someone go to Tier one by default, is someone bumped down to tier 4, or is tier 5 expanded to allow three competitors to compensate? (personally I think that the secondbest tier should allow for three players if there is not a person in the top tier, but I'm an outsider anyway )

:S  OK, OK I am not going to re-invent the wheel.  I will be at Empire today to talk to Gordon about rules he already has.  Mybe we can modify them for a quick gaming solution.  I just want to play.  I will post those rules as soon as I get them.

sounds good. Let us know what you guys think. Although my availability on weekends will be extremely limited.

Hey eveyone.  I think that 1500 is to small of a list, my vote is for 1850 ( I really like 2000).  My take on size is that 1500 is what is the core of a list of what you really have to have to make a list work, but the extra points to 1850 gives you some points for a cool extra unit to play with or some extra eq for vets or tanks.

And why lock the army but not the list?  I mean if you are not going to lock both why bother locking one?  And when you say lock the army ... what about variants ... nurgle vs korne?  How long does the ladder plan to go for?  Until one person is on top for 3 games?  I like locked lists ... well I understand that if you make a bad list it sucks to have it locked because you are stuck with it, but if you want a new list you should be able to but just start at the bottom rung (which if you have a bad list you will be there anyways).  Yea Gordon, I know you think the flex list is better to get people started again ... but I just have to toss in my full 2 cents.  I would rather test my generic list against other generic lists as if I was in an RT, it is a good way to see how you would fair.  I mean I can custom make a special list each game to fight each army but I would rather just have one list.

Well youre free to stick with that one list.
Just ask the opponent to have one ready so you dont waste time with him makin a new list.

The reason why the pt limit is 1000+ is to draw new people with smaller armies in.
(Obviously) more people have 1000 pts than 2000 pts.

and by locked armies he means, choose an army list.
Feral? Nurgle? Thousand Sons?
Thats what you have.

Though...
I have a good idea, simple, basic, and its been done before.
Escalation League! For those beginning to those who want great battles like KommandantVince.
Wins = 3 pts
Ties = 2 pts
Loss = 1 pt
That way when you lose you at least get a point, because you spent the time to play. Since ties are both wins and losses I just took the medium.

Did everyone show up this past sunday...how was the gaming experience?

Vince, I like your suggestion about locking lists as it encourages flexibile lists. Otherwise without this restriction, some players will maximized their army against their upcoming opponent. This can be fun to some players...but certainly not to others.

I think you guys are missing something here?
Your over complicating things abit. 40K needs to make a come back and frankly just because a few people dust off their toys and play a game or two doesn't say to me 40K is no#1 In gaming again...sorry I hope not to offend you all.
40k needs a gentle hand right now the power gamer approach will not get people playing again and 95% of the people hanging at the store right now don't have a 1500 to 2000 point list or the funds to get their any time soon.

And as far has building lists before each game...cheesy
Has long has I have opened the door at Empire I have never seen anyone take that approach.
You build a rounded list at home then bring it down to try against a few different armies if it does well good ..if it does not, you change it and try again another day.
the goal is to help people get a well rounded tournament "type " list .so they can have fair fun games.
But if you all about winning all the time then the forums are full of army lists the take advantage of the 40K rules to their fullest. Those lists are for the RTT's and such.
Empire games 40k crowd was founded on players escaping that type of gaming environment often found at dakka ( sorry). Many people came to Empire asking me if Empire was like "that" and Ive tried my best to keep it fun and not over competitive. If that's what you need then we have no problem with it and can make sure you have "that " available.
My hope is that some fun loving 40K goodness sparks a better come back to the 40K world, but its just a few games has I mentioned and it has along way to go before its ever no#1 again.

I hate typing stuff like this cause the emotion and feeling is lost in the words I hope I don't offend anyone cause I think you all are a great bunch of guys and I enjoy talking with you.-Gordon

I have to agree with Gordon.  Your list, Vince, was to powerful for the army I fielded against you.  If I was using that in a lock league and had to play you for the win or at an advanced stage.  I would have no chance.  To start back at the bottom could make the battle triangle last for ever.  I was just hopping for some good fun and consistent play on a specific day for 40k.  I have that now without any league.  Thank you Gordon!!!!!!!!