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So got another monpoc game in, using the same starter monsters and trying out a few new units .

had the table full this time since i got my order in for more geocraper terrain. ended up destroying 9 buildings and put both monsters down to their last few wounds.

Defenders won by a slim margin. and lots of fun had by all, who knew wrecking the city could be so fun?


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after

Very cool. Those ships look familiar; where are they from?

you mean the 40K epic scale xiphon interceptors from vanguard miniatures? or the BFG necron escorts?

i kinda figured you would notice the leman russ tanks as well

I don't really recognise 40K vehicles on sight, so I didn't realise those were 40K models. I like those interceptors, I might have to give Vanguard Miniatures a browse.

If you enjoy the game, be sure to support it by buying actual MonPoc products every once in a while.

 Sqorgar wrote:
If you enjoy the game, be sure to support it by buying actual MonPoc products every once in a while.

I agree. In fact I have a small pile of unassembled Monsterpocalypse stuff accumulating despite the fact that I have yet to actually play the game...

I might have to give Vanguard Miniatures a browse.

yeah they have great stuff. the epic scale stuff is in the 6-8mm section and they have micro scale versions of FW units as well as 30K stuff. alongside onslought miniatures they cover just about every 40K faction in the game. in 6mm

https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/

https://www.onslaughtmini.com/

If you enjoy the game, be sure to support it by buying actual MonPoc products every once in a while.

Uuuhhh you realise you cannot get the mat, rule book or tokens without the starter set right? also a second set of dice for another player, not to mention all the resin buildings i bought, i just prefer to use them with 6mm scale games like battletech or epic scale 40K

the geocrapers terrain is 1.2500 scale making it feel far more epic for giant monster fights. it also comes exactly the right base size, pre-painted, and modular.

additionally as a longtime japanophile i much prefer to have the original "monsters" the game was based on. hense using a gunbuster revoltech toy. (the pacific rim kaiju just looked cool) and it was the right size.

as for the tanks and such i don't need to buy more when the stuff i have is scalable.

 aphyon wrote:

Uuuhhh you realise you cannot get the mat, rule book or tokens without the starter set right? also a second set of dice for another player, not to mention all the resin buildings i bought, i just prefer to use them with 6mm scale games like battletech or epic scale 40K

Oh, I didn't realize that Privateer Press had released all those cards you have printed out for free. I thought you had simply pirated them off the internet and were shamelessly bragging about enjoying a company's game without fully paying for it. My bad.

Copyright infringement is somewhat rampant in the industry, with things such as pdfs of rules and chinacast. Even Monsterpocalypse itself is highly derivative, if not infringing.

The music industry had a major copyright problem. Then they began to release products digitally, so that people could actually buy them, rather than copy them. Lo and behold, people actually bought the stuff. Infringment has been greatly reduced.

In the case of Monsterpocalypse it does not help that some of the physical products are not even available, as they are sold out.

I am happy to see that someone is enjoying the game, and certainly did make some effort to purchase some of the products.

The thing is that it's both impossible to copyright rules, and they're the most portable thing about any game. In essence they're just marketing copy to get people to buy game pieces and widgets.

Nurglitch wrote:
The thing is that it's both impossible to copyright rules,

This is factually untrue. Technically, you can’t copyright the broad process, but the specifics, you absolutely can. For example, the rules that say Sky Sentinel is a monster unit that rolls 6 boost dice when doing a blast attack is very much copyrightable. The layout, images, names, maps, and iconography are too. The unit cards are absolutely copyrighted. Under no circumstances should anyone ever take legal device from you.

In essence they're just marketing copy to get people to buy game pieces and widgets.

Funny. My experience with Privateer Press games are that the game pieces and widgets are excuses use the game rules. I think Warmachine probably made more money selling faction cards in Warroom than selling actual models.

 Sqorgar wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
The thing is that it's both impossible to copyright rules,

This is factually untrue. Technically, you can’t copyright the broad process, but the specifics, you absolutely can. For example, the rules that say Sky Sentinel is a monster unit that rolls 6 boost dice when doing a blast attack is very much copyrightable. The layout, images, names, maps, and iconography are too. The unit cards are absolutely copyrighted. Under no circumstances should anyone ever take legal device from you.

Legal advice from me requires a consulting fee and a signature on a waiver. This is just me pointing out that you can't copyright rules - as you say you can very much copyright specific passages of text, layout, images, names, and so on. I could, for example, write rules that say "The Guardian Robot is a giant figure that gets to roll 6D6 extra boom dice during boom actions" which isn't the same as the passage you provided, even though it could say the same thing. Which is the point, as rules are not a specific passage of text expressing them. You can write rules in a hundred different ways, although the STC has established certain best practices with regard to processes and procedures.

 Sqorgar wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:In essence they're just marketing copy to get people to buy game pieces and widgets.

Funny. My experience with Privateer Press games are that the game pieces and widgets are excuses use the game rules. I think Warmachine probably made more money selling faction cards in Warroom than selling actual models.

Cards are widgets. That people are buying them for their content establishes that the content is marketing copy. Regarding which the cards outsold the models, tt would certainly be interesting to see the numbers of sales vs production, shipping, etc. Card games are popular to produce because they're relatively cheap to make and ship. Boardgamesmaker.com will see you a one-off pack of 54 cards for ~$14USD, and that drops to less than a dollar for print runs over 1,000. I suspect if the cards were more profitable than the models we would have seen Privateer Press release an entirely card-based game. I think everyone in the industry would love to have the next Magic: The Gathering.