Why I hated 3rd Ed 40k

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**Haighus**

Honestly? I'm fine with White Scars bikers being better than Ultramarines bikers so long as a White Scars bike army isn't better than an Ultramarines bike army. Yes that takes more effort to do well through adequate points costs etc.

**insaniak**

PenitentJake wrote:

Sure, but like 10th: the thing is, "defining" your army using these methods falls apart when a different army makes the EXACT same choices, proving to you that YOUR dudes are not YOUR dudes.

"Look, I'm playing White Scars, and I know this because I brought the maximum number of bikes and all my infantry are in transports and we focus on hit and run tactics."

"I'm playing Ultramarines; I brought the maximum number of bikes and all my infantry are in transports and we focus on hit and run tactics."

"I'm playing Blood Angels; I brought the maximum number of bikes and all my infantry are in transports and we focus on hit and run tactics."

"I'm playing Space Wolves; I brought the maximum number of bikes (even though Space Wolves live in a frozen wasteland of ice and snow where bikes are as practical as bikinis) and all my infantry are in transports and we focus on hit and run tactics."

So yeah, how did you actually think your expression of your chapters uniqueness was unique when ANY Chapter could do it?

...vs...

"Look, I'm playing White Scars, and I know this because I'm using the White Scars codex."

"I'm playing Ultramarines; I'm using the White Scars codex, because I wanted a biker army, but I painted them blue."

"I'm playing Blood Angels; I'm using the White Scars codex, because I wanted a biker army, but I painted them red."

"I'm playing Space Wolves; I'm using the White Scars codex, because I wanted a biker army, but I painted them whatever the hell colour 'Fang' is."

...

**ccs**

insaniak wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

Sure, but like 10th: the thing is, "defining" your army using these methods falls apart when a different army makes the EXACT same choices, proving to you that YOUR dudes are not YOUR dudes.

"Look, I'm playing White Scars, and I know this because I brought the maximum number of bikes and all my infantry are in transports and we focus on hit and run tactics."

"I'm playing Ultramarines; I brought the maximum number of bikes and all my infantry are in transports and we focus on hit and run tactics."

"I'm playing Blood Angels; I brought the maximum number of bikes and all my infantry are in transports and we focus on hit and run tactics."

"I'm playing Space Wolves; I brought the maximum number of bikes (even though Space Wolves live in a frozen wasteland of ice and snow where bikes are as practical as bikinis) and all my infantry are in transports and we focus on hit and run tactics."

So yeah, how did you actually think your expression of your chapters uniqueness was unique when ANY Chapter could do it?

...vs...

"Look, I'm playing White Scars, and I know this because I'm using the White Scars codex."

"I'm playing Ultramarines; I'm using the White Scars codex, because I wanted a biker army, but I painted them blue."

"I'm playing Blood Angels; I'm using the White Scars codex, because I wanted a biker army, but I painted them red."

"I'm playing Space Wolves; I'm using the White Scars codex, because I wanted a biker army, but I painted them whatever the hell colour 'Fang' is."

...

My response:
No, you're just playing blue/red/"fang" colored White Scars. I know this because you're using the White Scars codex/rules.
What you tell yourself is your own business.
What color you choose to paint your stuff, or even if you paint it? Doesn't matter to me.

**insaniak**

The end result is the same, though. In both cases, you're using the same rules and the same army list... the only difference is what you choose to call them.