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So I have been assembling my new project army which is drukhari. Since the day of weapon point upgrades on squads has gone and now you can use any weapon option available on the data sheet I have a question. For certain units individual weapons have now all been grouped up under a certain name for instance in the case of the drukhari Wyches they are now all just generalised under Hekatarii blades so you can equip any bladed item on the models you want from the spru as you can see from my wyche in the left in the pic. I’ve taken the same approach to my Archon who’s vanilla pose from GW is awful and as you can see in the pic I am posing the model differently and am gonna use a whip instead of his Huskblade on the spru. Will I run in to problems with this if I went to a tournament? It’s not like I’m running a bolter marine and claiming it’s a domolisher cannon on the end of his arm? I know his data sheet says a husk”BLADE” and this clearly isn’t a blade but it’s not like it’s in a squad with lots of different weapons being used and keeping track of what’s what? Thanks for any advice.

You have to ask the orgeniser. The general rule is that stuff should not be confusing aka a melta gun shouldn't be actualy a plasma and a unit of 10 claw terminators, shouldn't actualy be a squad of 10 TH/SS terminators. But in the end it is the Tournament running team, that has the last word. People try to make their armies safe, so if something is a "blade", then they will try to make it a sword/ax/halbard/etc, a whip or big fist, no so much.

Yeah I guess I’ll have to ask tournament organisers first. I would say I’m still safe with the Archon though as he only has 1 melee weapon profile which is just the husk blade so even though I’ve equipped the whip there can’t really be any confusion as there is no other option for his melee attack, if this changes in a future codex release or in 11th then it won’t be to hard to clip off and attach a sword arm. Thanks for your input.

In this particular case I think you're fine because Archons don't have any options these days.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
In this particular case I think you're fine because Archons don't have any options these days.

+1 to this.

I guess there may be some extremist "we hate all conversions" tournaments out there. But since an Archon is just an Archon, its not going to matter.

"How am I supposed to know what your model is equipped with?"

"Well, if you had to guess, which of the 1 options available to me do you think this guy has? The first one or the first one?"

 Wyldhunt wrote:
"How am I supposed to know what your model is equipped with?"

"Well, if you had to guess, which of the 1 options available to me do you think this guy has? The first one or the first one?"

"Errr.... I'm totally confused. How is any non-DE player supposed to keep up with all these options?"

 vipoid wrote:

 Wyldhunt wrote:
"How am I supposed to know what your model is equipped with?"

"Well, if you had to guess, which of the 1 options available to me do you think this guy has? The first one or the first one?"

"Errr.... I'm totally confused. How is any non-DE player supposed to keep up with all these options?"

by that thinking how would you know the rules for the blade if it was on the model?

as for the model if your worried why got add a blade to the tip of the whip,

goundry wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Wyldhunt wrote:
"How am I supposed to know what your model is equipped with?"

"Well, if you had to guess, which of the 1 options available to me do you think this guy has? The first one or the first one?"

"Errr.... I'm totally confused. How is any non-DE player supposed to keep up with all these options?"

by that thinking how would you know the rules for the blade if it was on the model?

as for the model if your worried why got add a blade to the tip of the whip,

"Woah. Hold up. Is that a hydra gauntlet or a razor flail?"

"Do... do you know the difference between a hydra gauntlet and a razor flail?"

"... No."

"Then why are you asking?"

 Wyldhunt wrote:


"Woah. Hold up. Is that a hydra gauntlet or a razor flail?"

"Do... do you know the difference between a hydra gauntlet and a razor flail?"

"... No."

"Then why are you asking?"

jokes on you, theyre both "hekatari blades" this edition

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Wyldhunt wrote:


"Woah. Hold up. Is that a hydra gauntlet or a razor flail?"

"Do... do you know the difference between a hydra gauntlet and a razor flail?"

"... No."

"Then why are you asking?"

jokes on you, theyre both "hekatari blades" this edition

"By the way, did you take the good pistol or the bad pistol on your squad leader?"

 Wyldhunt wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Wyldhunt wrote:


"Woah. Hold up. Is that a hydra gauntlet or a razor flail?"

"Do... do you know the difference between a hydra gauntlet and a razor flail?"

"... No."

"Then why are you asking?"

jokes on you, theyre both "hekatari blades" this edition

"By the way, did you take the good pistol or the bad pistol on your squad leader?"

Hey, theyre equally good if you're shooting at T5-T7, 1W infantry with an invuln or a 7+ save.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Wyldhunt wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Wyldhunt wrote:


"Woah. Hold up. Is that a hydra gauntlet or a razor flail?"

"Do... do you know the difference between a hydra gauntlet and a razor flail?"

"... No."

"Then why are you asking?"

jokes on you, theyre both "hekatari blades" this edition

"By the way, did you take the good pistol or the bad pistol on your squad leader?"

Hey, theyre equally good if you're shooting at T5-T7, 1W infantry with an invuln or a 7+ save.

A Theyn matches that profile!
Not the other nine members of the Hearthkyn Squad, but one model does!

You have to ask yourself do i want to see from my opponents minis what they are armed with,
if it is yes it would be nice if you do the same with your minis.

 skeleton wrote:
You have to ask yourself do i want to see from my opponents minis what they are armed with,
if it is yes it would be nice if you do the same with your minis.

You can download for free from GW’s website what an Archon is armed with, there’s only one option.

And in 10th the same weapon can have radically different profiles so you have to look at the datasheet anyway.

 skeleton wrote:
You have to ask yourself do i want to see from my opponents minis what they are armed with,
if it is yes it would be nice if you do the same with your minis.

Maybe I'm alone, but if I don't play my opponent's army I usually won't recognise the weapon regardless of whether it's modelled accurately or not.

Me: "So what's that unit armed with?"

My opponent: "Those are Crisis Suits. All their gear is WYSIWYG."

Me: "...okay. So what are they armed with?"

No joke, you could tell me a Tau Plasma Rifle is literally any weapon in the codex and I'll probably believe you.

"Yep, looks like a gun all right."

 vipoid wrote:

 skeleton wrote:
You have to ask yourself do i want to see from my opponents minis what they are armed with,
if it is yes it would be nice if you do the same with your minis.

Maybe I'm alone, but if I don't play my opponent's army I usually won't recognise the weapon regardless of whether it's modelled accurately or not.

Me: "So what's that unit armed with?"

My opponent: "Those are Crisis Suits. All their gear is WYSIWYG."

Me: "...okay. So what are they armed with?"

No joke, you could tell me a Tau Plasma Rifle is literally any weapon in the codex and I'll probably believe you.

"Yep, looks like a gun all right."

I'm generally the same. Human weapons get repeated enough that I'll be able to tell a lascannon from a plasma cannon. But even then, if you say, "this plasma squad is actually a las squad," I'll understand/follow that without issue. Using alternative bits/kitbashing is only really an issue if the mini is modeled in a way that could easily trick a person into thinking it's something it's not. "Oh, that guy I modeled as being on a bike is actually a wayleaper, so you're not allowed to shoot at him due to lone op. He was just hanging out near my bikers for the aesthetic."

Heck. Even *that* would be fine as long as you're careful to point the not-a-biker guy to your opponent pre-game and explain what he is to avoid confusion.

People who are strict about WYSIWYG for no reason are the sort I usually prefer to avoid playing with. If you're going to raise a fuss about a chainsword being modeled with a power sword because it looked cool, what other stuff are you going to nitpick during the game?

 Wyldhunt wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 skeleton wrote:
You have to ask yourself do i want to see from my opponents minis what they are armed with,
if it is yes it would be nice if you do the same with your minis.

Maybe I'm alone, but if I don't play my opponent's army I usually won't recognise the weapon regardless of whether it's modelled accurately or not.

Me: "So what's that unit armed with?"

My opponent: "Those are Crisis Suits. All their gear is WYSIWYG."

Me: "...okay. So what are they armed with?"

No joke, you could tell me a Tau Plasma Rifle is literally any weapon in the codex and I'll probably believe you.

"Yep, looks like a gun all right."

I'm generally the same. Human weapons get repeated enough that I'll be able to tell a lascannon from a plasma cannon. But even then, if you say, "this plasma squad is actually a las squad," I'll understand/follow that without issue. Using alternative bits/kitbashing is only really an issue if the mini is modeled in a way that could easily trick a person into thinking it's something it's not. "Oh, that guy I modeled as being on a bike is actually a wayleaper, so you're not allowed to shoot at him due to lone op. He was just hanging out near my bikers for the aesthetic."

Heck. Even *that* would be fine as long as you're careful to point the not-a-biker guy to your opponent pre-game and explain what he is to avoid confusion.

People who are strict about WYSIWYG for no reason are the sort I usually prefer to avoid playing with. If you're going to raise a fuss about a chainsword being modeled with a power sword because it looked cool, what other stuff are you going to nitpick during the game?

Ditto. I've been calling my Chaos Lord's sword a 'daemon weapon' and using the stats for a power fist, and clearly letting people know about it.

As odd as it sounds, sometimes WYSWYG does not need to be literal.

If I see a model with two sword like weapons, I’m going to assume it’s going to blend infantry, but maybe struggle against tanks. Or the guy with the giant hammer is probably going to get less hits in, but they are going to [b]hurt]/b] Does it mater that the rulebooks calls them flails or axes? Not really. What I see is what I’m getting.

For the most part I prefer the vibe check rather then a technically correct specific answer when asking about stuff. When I ask what a guy does “He vaporizes tanks and teleports” is a lot more useful then “He’s got a hyperphase annihilator and an experimental K-34 device”

And GW’s naming convention doesn’t help. Squads or intercessors, infiltrators, incursors? Basics guys, 12” DS denial, and ignores cover/buff squad. Telling someone the name of a unit can be pretty useless. I’d expect people playing at top table tournaments to know all the details of all the armies. But at the FLGS? Unless you are intentionally trying to set up a gotcha moment (kinda a jerk move) give the helpful answer, not the correct one. Unless you want people to take half an hour digesting your codex and army list to figure out what you are doing.

 Wyldhunt wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 skeleton wrote:
You have to ask yourself do i want to see from my opponents minis what they are armed with,
if it is yes it would be nice if you do the same with your minis.

Maybe I'm alone, but if I don't play my opponent's army I usually won't recognise the weapon regardless of whether it's modelled accurately or not.

Me: "So what's that unit armed with?"

My opponent: "Those are Crisis Suits. All their gear is WYSIWYG."

Me: "...okay. So what are they armed with?"

No joke, you could tell me a Tau Plasma Rifle is literally any weapon in the codex and I'll probably believe you.

"Yep, looks like a gun all right."

I'm generally the same. Human weapons get repeated enough that I'll be able to tell a lascannon from a plasma cannon. But even then, if you say, "this plasma squad is actually a las squad," I'll understand/follow that without issue. Using alternative bits/kitbashing is only really an issue if the mini is modeled in a way that could easily trick a person into thinking it's something it's not. "Oh, that guy I modeled as being on a bike is actually a wayleaper, so you're not allowed to shoot at him due to lone op. He was just hanging out near my bikers for the aesthetic."

Heck. Even *that* would be fine as long as you're careful to point the not-a-biker guy to your opponent pre-game and explain what he is to avoid confusion.

My own "wayleaper using a bike" was a result of me not being able to get wings to properly fit on the torso of a kit-bash.
I used a rangers longcoat & WL exarch bitz to make a figure that looks like it belongs with my rangers/ranger bikes. Try as I might I just couldn't get wings to attach in a fashion I liked the look of.....
So my "ranger" wayleaper? He's standing on his own base & labeled "Way Leaper on the rim - wich is magnetized to attach to the larger oval base I mounted a jet bike on. The bike? It's just a token, much like Tau drones, to indicate flight. The actual figure is all that matters.
If the need arises I can just pop the figure off the bike base.