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Iron Warriors uber bang bang death army

Lemmingspawn — GMT

Here I go with my next project, in between throwing Yidhra in the bin, finalising rusty nuts the killdo kannon, painting a Pythia for my wifes birthday, if I get it done, and fantasizing about my mega-cheesy Iron Warriors army, I've decided to start on the Iron Warriors and stop dreaming about it....

And not paint the balloon just yet....

Coz I don't want to....so nyeh nyeh nyeh

Here's some pics, because my posts aren't posts without more pics....just coz....

The Beginning...

Actually no... this was the beginning....

And the next beginning...

I'm having a little trouble getting the walking vindicator-bot up and running, so if anyone has any ideas, they'll be uber welcome....

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migsula — GMT

20 views and no replies - guys try to learn to speak

They do have an excuse though, mainly jaw hitting the table. This is going to be awesome!!! Awesome!

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Milkshaker — GMT

I dont really have ideas, but definately jaw hitting the table

You might want to look at some battletech mech drawings/ pictures of clan mechs. they usually have the same type of legs so you might get some ideas there

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tegeus-Cromis — GMT

You scrapped your C'tan project? No wai! Why?

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shrew — GMT

for the legs & "torso" i see you have some triangular pieces why not use them & be different & make it a tri-pod. it might stand better too.

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scarab — GMT

Like the tripod idea - War of the Worldsish. And very nice mech there! Hot DAMN that's damn HOT.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

[quote]Posted By tegeus-Cromis on 09/11/2007 2:51 AM
You scrapped your C'tan project? No wai! Why?[/quote]
I was disgusted with how my progress went so I've put it on hold for now. I threw out my sculpt coz it was pretty horrendous, I'll keep looking for appropriate stuff and I still have the concept art. I still love that.

WOTW tripod idea...hmmm now that's pretty cool. I'll have that as some food for thought...

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Xan — GMT

How tall is that monstrosity? It screams Iron Warrior (and probably other, more obscene things too), really captured the demonic engine of doom look. Do you have pics of it next to marines, or other models? What I´m thinking is, would it be big enough for a titan, or are you using it in other more creative ways?

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Mr. Bombadidaloo — GMT

Is that vindicator suppose to walk, or is it suppose to transform? *DECEPTICONS ATTAAACK!*

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

[quote]Posted By Xan on 09/11/2007 4:35 AM
How tall is that monstrosity? It screams Iron Warrior (and probably other, more obscene things too), really captured the demonic engine of doom look. Do you have pics of it next to marines, or other models? What I´m thinking is, would it be big enough for a titan, or are you using it in other more creative ways?[/quote]
It's half the height of my steam stompa roughly, so it's not big enough to be a titan, just an extra large defiler.

As to the vindicator, yeah I want it to walk, I want to try and get most of the vehicles in various stages of locomotion other than the standard....

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Wehrkind — GMT

It might look cool as a quadroped, only with the giant cannon underslung from the body. So longish type spider legs, with a cannon wrapped under like a bee or ant stinging. It would make it look like it had short range, but the ability to shoot down at dug in targets, which is pretty much the Vindicator's goal.

Are you trying to avoid having it be mistaken for a Defiler/Dreadnought? If you don't mind it being reminiscent of the former, you could design it to look like a crab with stubby legs holding a squad body that houses just the giant cannon. To really get the feeling of a massive recoil across, you could have the crab rocked back with it's rear most legs dug into the ground as though it just fired a tremendous shot that required bracing and drove the legs into the soil. Sort of like WW2 towed anti-tank guns.

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PenguinDude — GMT

I now follow everything you post.

*is excited*

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Northen — GMT

That's some bad a¤¤ defiler! Looks awesome.

You realy did fantastic job on the ork stomppa, hoping to see equal results on this project.

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grey_death — GMT

I have nothing constructive to add! Just thought I'd say Hi. See if I could get your post count up >.>...let ya know stuff you know already...like your defiler rocks my socks. And I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how this vindi comes out.

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jmurph — GMT

How about a three wheeled, shielded gun, sort of like the German 88's? But spikey and demonic and stuff.
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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Well guys, I've been a bit slow on the progress of this one for a couple reasons - 1 is I'm a bit creatively burnt out after the steam stompa....takes me a week or two to get over such big projects; 2 I've been a bit stumped as to how to begin the army - admittedly I probably should have started with the easier stuff but I am DETERMINED to start with the scratch vindie/defiler coz, well, with the apocalypse rules I'll need three if I can take them as a linebreaker squadron.

So I've been playing around with brainmatter trying to get something working upstairs and here's a concept I started on to see if it might work...

It's ok, but the footprint is too big, I'd have to rework that... This was before I stumbled across some steampunk-esque stuff and found this one that I think is actually the idea I had, just fleshed out better:

The idea on this one is to make the central body sorta like one of the current vindicators, but as if they had mutated like they'd come into contact with the allspark (Transformers reference), but not as complex as they are in the movie obviously.

Another variation that I will incorporate is creating a 3 toed stability foot, 1 toe forward, 2 long toes sorta back and reinforced to give it the appearance it can actually fire it's cannon without flipping for an olympic medal.

Then I found this one-

Which looks almost like they drew it after seeing my defiler, the good thing is I can use this as a guide to building a second defiler, and to make it look different enough from the first to make them more interesting as a tag team deal.

And this tank is just TOOOO beefy to ignore:

I might make a huge one of these as a type of chaos or ork battle fortress. Either way it would work I reckon.

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Brother Bartius — GMT

First of all I'd like to say I love your work.

I've followed a few of your projects. My personal favourite being your defiler. The build, the detail and the paint job were fantastic.

I'd agree with you on your last couple of pics. The last one I'd go for with Orks. Even the pic looks Orky.

As for your Vindi, the main considerations are:

1 - Keeping all your vehicles 2 legged or more. To tie in with your Defiler.

2 - If your keeping your vehicles to roughly the same profiles (height, width, length etc) as their GW counterparts. This could be useful when your trying to hide them in game.

I don't think 2 is too big an issue for you as your defiler doesn't conform to this blueprint.

As much as I think the 3 legged version has potential, I'd go with something that has four legs.

You could make each leg connect to the box section as the body (suitably ornate) then have the turret, that you've already built, on top.

Alternatively you could have a 4 legged cannon. I seem to remember a WFB chas cannon that would be suitably ornate for this.

Then again you could go with whatever you feel (your previous builds prove you've a knack for this sort of thing).

Just throwing my Ideas in the works.

Keep up the good work.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

ROIGHT! Boys and girls, finally got some action going on this army. I've started on the first vindicator walker, and since it's a sorta cross with a vindicator and a defiler maybe it should be called "Vin Diesel"? lol

The legs have been started and with these I have used some balsa wood to help build up the general shape of them before covering them in card to improve the shape.

Here's the progress:

I need to enlarge the foot because the leg cowling is too large for it, but other than that I'm pretty happy with how they are turning out. As a bit of a pleasant surprise they're looking kinda like mini warhound legs...maybe I'll carry that theme through a little further.

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yakface — GMT

Yeah, I like the look of that first leg. A definite great start.

The only other critique I have is that you need some moisturizer on that hand of yours!

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

[quote]Posted By yakface on 09/17/2007 7:46 AM

The only other critique I have is that you need some moisturizer on that hand of yours!

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But it's such a great example of what rhino skin should look like! Imagine how good a reference it'll be when I want to sculpt some wrinkly ass creatures and I'm thinking "Gee, what can I look at to give me a better idea of what this skin should look like? Oh wait, look at my hand!"

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Ok I've been playing around with the legs today and this is where I got. They're almost done, I just need to add some chaos glyphs and stuff to bring it into line with the iconography once I've done the rest of the building. Trouble I'm having is with building the upper section, I built a big part somewhat the same as the pic but I don't like how it's turning out.

I then played around with adding the oversized turret I built previously and, to tell the truth, I kinda like it. I just need to rebuild the feet again and make them large to improve the proportions. Anyways, let me know what you reckon, I'm a bit stuck.....

Legs assembled:

Added uber turret:

And spaced:

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grey_death — GMT

I like the unspaced look personally. Looks heartier and more stable.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Here's some more of the bizzo, I've been playing around with some bits and pieces I have lying around, including this scratch turret I made ages ago for a card leman. I think it looks better but it makes it look like a "chickendicator" instead of a vindicator.

Which leads me to a new thought...lol...the other idea I have for a vindicator stand in is the 4 legged crawling vindicator with a ball for the central cab that is real spikey and panelled....making it the Pindicator...

And then you'll see in one of these new pics the newly named "Fat headed dictator" vindicator tank. But it's more orky so I may be forced to convert that one to orkdom....

Here's the pics, here's less chatter:

Chicken flavoured
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With the first head

And the team Chickendicator and Fatheadedictator with some scrap thralls for scale....

Comments are welcome, I'm tending toward the chickendicator and half considering the fat headed tank as a second vindie in traditional tank form.

My idea for the tanks are they are variations of the vindicator that the Iron Warriors were experimenting with to make them more effective in a battlefield role. They still work like the standard vindies, and they all count as having the usual equipment plus daemonic infestation or whatever it is now, hence the lack of pilot space on Chickenlips. Probably will get havocs as well, but I don't know if it's worth it since they can't fire them anyways, unless someone blows off the main cannons. I suppose if they get neutered that way the havocs aren't a bad backup plan....

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scarab — GMT

Like the walker. Nice job. I could pass on ol' fathead, but I am sure it would look better with more detailing.

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yakface — GMT

I thought I liked the fat head until I saw the small head.

I like the small head now.

And I *love* the spikey legs.

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HFJor — GMT

"It's got chicken-legs!"

I like both options (in terms of the walker-head), though I think the smaller one seems nicer. The bigger one reminds me of the big robot from Robocop.

Also....I think there's still some robot showing through the spikes ;-). Good job.

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Hellfury — GMT

Dude....bell bottoms went out of style many years ago. Get with 1980 for chrissakes.

The spiky chicken legs are great though, much better with the split toe.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Ok, I've compromised on the head. I've kept the same shape, rebuilt it and resized the second head. Here are some pics for you:

I like it a lot better this size, I was almost gonna just leave it chicken style but now I'm happy with the way it looks now.

I didn't see the flares till now...lol...don't worry I'll GS them a bit yet, they'll still keep the same shape but they'll be cracked and warped and buckled to look different yet.

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yakface — GMT

To quote goldilocks:

That one's juussst right.

I like it a lot.

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Commander Usiel — GMT

I love it. ^.^

There are NEVER enough mechs in the world. Also I never thought I would like a 'bristly' mech, unless it was bristling with guns - Kudos!

My only suggestion... how about some co-axil autoguns or bolters under the 'chin' or on the sides of the turret.

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Flachzange — GMT

[quote]Posted By Commander Usiel on 09/22/2007 7:20 AM
I love it. ^.^

There are NEVER enough mechs in the world. Also I never thought I would like a 'bristly' mech, unless it was bristling with guns - Kudos!

My only suggestion... [b]how about some co-axil autoguns or bolters under the 'chin' or on the sides of the turret.[/b][/quote]
I kinda like that idea.

Could be mounted like the zzap gun on da orkenburg.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

I want this one to be a vindicator replacement for now, so the autoguns or bolters don't really fit with my plan.

But one thing I would like to do for apocalypse, if the rules are there, is a twin linked Vulcan Mega-BolterRange: 60? Str6 AP3 Heavy 15 a mech equipped with that....

OOooooooh....*drool

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Commander Usiel — GMT

I meant use them as a Proxy for a Pintle mounted Stormbolter, or can't Chaos Vindicators take them? ( I don't have the 4th ed Codex yet =( ) Well it's a suggestion, I still think it rocks as is.

wOOt! Vulcan Mega Bolters XD 15 dice of pure DAKKA!!!! ~Drools with you~

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

[quote]Posted By Commander Usiel on 09/23/2007 3:57 AM
I meant use them as a Proxy for a Pintle mounted Stormbolter, or can't Chaos Vindicators take them?
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Sorry, I was a bit vague coz I typed it so quick...

What I meant was I'm not putting any additional weapons on them coz vindicators will get targetted pretty heavily, most people will make sure they go down so extra guns are extra points I couldn't be bothered forkin out for. The chaos vindies can take either a twin linked bolter, a havoc or a combi-weapon as well as the main cannon, but I'll save the points for elsewhere.

Thanks for the comments though, I'll be doing more work on them tomorrow. The intention is to make three in total so i think I'll start that on the morrow.

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scarab — GMT

Extra spiky x 2. Love it. Don't run while carrying it, however.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Well today I started playing around with the dread...why? Coz I wanted to, that's why.

Here's the original pic they have in the chaos codex, so much better than the nasty old dread they made out of it:

Here's the parts I've updated so far:

And beside the box and the vin-diesel....

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Boss_Salvage — GMT

He is so spiky!

Quite awesome, and looking forward to what ever you're doing with the old fugly dread. That sketch is nice and demented in the new book, but if it weren't you I'd be skeptical about salvaging Tiny McMetal the dread

- Salvage

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Here's todays udpate. Haven't been well and I haven't had much inspiration for the CCW's on the dread. I want this to be a 2 ccw dread with a heavy flamer and a twinlinked bolter, but I have yet to develop the ccw's so that I like them...

Been stuffing around with ideas and they look stoopid. Feel free to give me some ideas, I'm at a loss at the moment.

At least there are rivets in this update...lol

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scarab — GMT

I LOVE that scourge thing in the art. I think if you could make something that looked as wicked, maybe with wire, it would be extrememly fitting.

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yakface — GMT

[quote]Posted By Lemmingspawn on 09/22/2007 11:51 PM
I want this one to be a vindicator replacement for now, so the autoguns or bolters don't really fit with my plan.

But one thing I would like to do for apocalypse, if the rules are there, is a twin linked Vulcan Mega-BolterRange: 60” Str6 AP3 Heavy 15 a mech equipped with that....

OOooooooh....*drool[/quote]

If you're talking about some sort of VDR rules in Apoc, I got to look at it the other day and I didn't see any indication of a VDR anywhere in the book. Considering how big the VDR rules are I'm doubtful I just missed it.

That said, I'm sure people will be open to wacky house rules in Apoc anyway.

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Makaleth — GMT

[quote]Posted By yakface on 09/25/2007 9:14 PM
[quote]Posted By Lemmingspawn on 09/22/2007 11:51 PM
I want this one to be a vindicator replacement for now, so the autoguns or bolters don't really fit with my plan.

But one thing I would like to do for apocalypse, if the rules are there, is a twin linked Vulcan Mega-BolterRange: 60” Str6 AP3 Heavy 15 a mech equipped with that....

OOooooooh....*drool[/quote]

That said, I'm sure people will be open to wacky house rules in Apoc anyway.

[/quote]

I agree with Yak,

people will see this and pretty much have their jaws drop and forget things like strict rules because it will be awesome to play with such a walker on the table,

it is really starting to look good, can't wait to see the fully green-stuffed and embelished version as it will be extremely good!

:-)

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Rightio, I'm pretty happy with the dread now. I decided to go with the power flail design and boy, it turned out heaps better than I thought. I need to learn to trust my first impressions...

I feel that I've gotten it to the point where if I add too much more it'll be out of aesthetic balance, but feel free to give me new ideas that will help cinch it up another notch in how it looks. Enough talk, onto le pikachus:

"I feel not for you, pitiful mortal. I will not spare you, it shall not end quickly, for my unholy master will have is way with your essence."

What do you think? I'm pretty happy with how it's turned out.

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Hellfury — GMT

Easily, the best power flail design I have seen on any chaos dreadnought. The draped chains ever so nonchalantly over the chaos symbol is keen as well.

As far as the guitar strings. What do you use to bend them at such angles? It usually takes me a bit of time to work with the guitar wire to get it the shape I want, due to the tensile properties.

Is it a simple "two pairs of pliers, son. Dont poke your eye out" type of thing, or more work than that?

Some of the angles in the wire are so nice, it looks like you used a sheet metal "finger break" on them.

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migsula — GMT

I think you managed to make the old metal chaos dread look cool and up to date...no small feat!!!

What's the brown stuff you use to make the bases? and sorry if you already covered the question somewhere.

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scarab — GMT

Ah see, the flails were the way to go and you did it in an awesome way I did not expect. Kudos!

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ZandrisIV — GMT

@migsula

The base looks like it's made of cork. And *very* nice look dread...

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grey_death — GMT

Definitely the coolest Old school chaos dread I've come across.

Those CCW's looks awesome and nasty.

I'm sure the paint will come out amazing like everything else you do >.>... (See: Can't wait to see this thing finished ^_^!)

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Thanks guys I surprised myself a bit on how it turned out coz I was a bit suspicious as to how it would look. I even did a photoshop mock up and it looked decent then too so I took the plunge! Glad it worked out, now I can go back to the vindicator and the GS work I have to do on it. After I model in the lava bubbles on the base of course...

[edit] Sorry Hellfury, I meant to say about the bending, there is no trick or special smoke and mirrors or anything. I just used a pair of cutters to hold the wire and then bent them by hand. The wires are guitar string and mild steel. The guitar strings were the most compliant, but the mild steel was a bit tougher, you'll see there are a few overly bendy bits that I meant to have more angle in them.

I think the angles look so nice is because I hid the bend under rolled thin solder. That gives it more of an angular look than if I hadn't done that.

@Migsula: The bases are cork. Simple old placemats I bought from a shop for their large corky properties. Most of my large built up bases are built up on layers of the same type of cork. Then I just dig at it with a sharp tool and glue sand over any weird looking bits...

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Ok, here's the little bit of work done today. I might get some more done this weekend as I'm keen to get this vindie done, I want to see how it turns out in full before I decide if I'll make three based on the same design or not.

It's had some SRT (spike removal therapy) done on it because a few people have said there are too many and most importantly - my wife agrees... my most honest critic and my greatest support

Here's the pics:

I plan on transferring the infestation over the legs as well, and select other parts, but not as much as on the turret. I'm thinking it's looking a bit nurgle...hmm

Let me know what you think.

One thing I realise, though, it needs rivets to make it look like it's actually coming toward completion.

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Raven1 — GMT

That is looking great, especially the dread. I do have a few questions.

One how do you make the rivets?

Two how did you switch the front plates next to the head?

Finally, what did you use for the right CC arm, just like a BA furioso?

thanks

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

1 The rivets are easy, it really depends on what I am doing. For the dread, because I mainly need little tiny ones, I slice off pieces of really thin rod, some about 1mm and .75mm. Then once I have a pile, I'll make a small pool of superglue, pick up each rivet with the tip of a sharp scalpel/cutting blade and dip each rivet in superglue before gluing them in place. You can also use white glue/elmers glue/pva glue for this but be careful coz it takes heaps longer to dry so you'll knock them off if you don't wait till some of it's dry.

2 I switched the plates by cutting the entire front plate into 3 pieces using a stiff bladed craft saw

3 The right arm of the dread was scratchbuilt out of card and foamboard. A small metal piece was cut off the second CCW to make up the top hinge section of the 2nd ccw arm you get with the dread and the flails were pinned into that.

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migsula — GMT

I'm not a fan of this particular design - but still reserve the right to change my mind when you finish it. It just looks more chikeny than formidable to me in comparison to the dread and defiler of yours. I would make the "heel" parts of the feet much more robust looking and bigger to give sense of support. Also something to consider when detailing would be to build some nice piping and mechanism to alleviate the recoil of the huge gun.

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grey_death — GMT

[quote]Posted By migsula on 09/27/2007 2:14 AM
Also something to consider when detailing would be to build some nice piping and mechanism to alleviate the recoil of the huge gun.[/quote]
If you wanted to go a real world route with this, You could try creating a 'dampener' or two on the outside of the gun tube itself. Basically it's just a small enclosed recoil device that can soak up huge amounts of the guns recoil.

Here's a small example of what i'm talking about:

See that small git just behind that first support, the little cylinder? That's the dampener. Granted this is a very small caliber compared to what you're modeling, but something similar can help the overall feel of the gun. I think that thing accounts for about 50-75% of the recoil if I remember anything from the years I spent with it >.>...

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Lost_Boys — GMT

I love the dred thing. It still needs more spike removal.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Ok I've done some more work on this today, which I don't normally do on a friday but today was special.

Here's some pics of my progress:

I'm considering removing one of the spiky leg plates completely and replacing it with a heavily plated one, making it one spiky and one plated. I'm trying to think of how to do it and still make it work aesthetically, because the infestation is going beyond what I originally intended. Bet some chaos general has heard that more often than I have.

Anyways, any comments or ideas or thoughts on that would be awesome. I want to make this thing work in well with the rest of the army, and going overboard with infestation kinda isn't going to fit that well....

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

I love the Dread. What was said earlier is correct. You've made the old Dread look brand new, which is quite an achievement. Very, very cool model.

BYE

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Ok, I've made some mods to the beast and I've started doing some extra work on it. Now I'm having trouble working out what to do *BLING* wise. Here are a few pics, lemme know which ones you like or which ones you reckon would work best - or even any suggestions are welcome, since this isn't an easy point on the model.

As to the mods, I've brought the legs a bit closer together and mounted them a bit higher, it seems to improve the overall aesthetic balance. But some ideas to help me get past this roadblock would be really welcome

No bling:

Small bling:

Combo bling:

Large MR-T style bling:

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tegeus-Cromis — GMT

IMO less is more in this case. Anyone can throw on a bunch of chains, but not everyone can do an awesome scratchbuild like you've done, so why obscure it? My votes goes to small bling, and even less than what you've got there now. I think the pattern of the chains on the leg is kind of funky, too.

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grey_death — GMT

I'm in the small chains camp. Just feel right.

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scarab — GMT

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Rightio, I've done some more work on the chains and I'm pretty happy with them. A couple of the lengths look a little weird but they'll do for now. And hooks for the ends, that's definitely next. It's nearly done, and soon I'll be anchoring it to the base.

Anyways, enough talk and more pics:

Thanks for the help guys, it's helped me to nail the image a bit better. I was kinda stuck.

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scarab — GMT

Love it.

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grey_death — GMT

Awesome. Love the base too.

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tegeus-Cromis — GMT

Nice. I do think a single length of chain crossing from one side of the turret to the other would look good, though.

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Gundammecha — GMT

Great work as always.

I loved the Dreadnought and thought it was very solidly done.

My only crit for this would be the marine hand. It looks out of place and amateur in execution comapred to the 5 star quality of the rest of this mini. I'd lose the holding the bolter hand or the entire arm completely I really don't think its necessary.

Let the amazing model speak for itself.

I'd be careful cooking with that parsley if I were you

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Wehrkind — GMT

I was thinking, if you wanted to use the fat head still, a defiler/vindicator with it's legs mounted to the top of the fathead could look cool. I am picturing looking at a bulldog from head on so you can't see it's rear legs, and it's head is lowered while snarling. All you see is scary head and huge shoulders with powerful legs.

The chicken walker looks great though, and the chaos dreadnaught is how they SHOULD look. GW needs to send you a job offer, or at least pay homage to this thread...

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

[quote]Posted By Wehrkind on 10/01/2007 3:38 PM
the chaos dreadnaught is how they SHOULD look. GW needs to send you a job offer, or at least pay homage to this thread...[/quote]
Yeah, that's how that dread was supposed to look. But it's really hard to cast those arms. I reckon they would have to make ten little cast arms which sounds ok to me, but it'd probably be a nightmare to execute.

I don't think I'm ready for any kind of job with a company like that though...lol. My sculpting is pretty ordinary...actually pretty crap...but I can build things out of stuff that already exists. Thanks for the compliment though.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Well, I have been stuffing around this arvo and not really done anything...lol; I've just been playing around with some loyalist marines that I had lying around that I'll convert to chaos dudes as well.

Here are the pics of what I finished off on the Vindicator:

And a pic of the top shelf of my model shelves:

FUN!

I'm a bit over building the vindicator at the moment so I won't be doing any more vindicators for a bit. We'll see how that goes, anyway.

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scarab — GMT

Ah, some Eldar too! Excellent.

I am looking forward to seeing some paint on the vindie.

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Wehrkind — GMT

[quote]Posted By Lemmingspawn on 10/01/2007 7:37 PM
[quote]Posted By Wehrkind on 10/01/2007 3:38 PM
the chaos dreadnaught is how they SHOULD look. GW needs to send you a job offer, or at least pay homage to this thread...[/quote]
Yeah, that's how that dread was supposed to look. But it's really hard to cast those arms. I reckon they would have to make ten little cast arms which sounds ok to me, but it'd probably be a nightmare to execute.

I don't think I'm ready for any kind of job with a company like that though...lol. My sculpting is pretty ordinary...actually pretty crap...but I can build things out of stuff that already exists. Thanks for the compliment though. [/quote]

I don't know man, your scratch builds are fantastic. Let someone else figure how to make them into a model; you seem to have a great notion of how it should look and function. GW could use some help designing their war machines in general, and you seem to have a masterful hand at that.

Not saying you should quit your day job, just that in a perfect world you would get letters

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Thanks man Appreciate the comments.

I have had a miniature mag send me an email asking for a couple of articles - I guess that counts

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Here's my current progress - the beginning of the troops. This mean ass dude is based on a standard marine which I had bits of lying around, so I took the liberty of convincing him to deny his loyalist creed. Took me a little while but he's mostly there. Tomorrow we should see the final scerics of his being devoured by chaos... muahahahahaha!

Anyways, onto pics:

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

That's weird, I had a notification that someone replied... can't see it now.

Well to answer the question anyways, it is a possessed vehicle, hence the welded bolted hatch. Someone gave me a great idea of having some cultists trying to contain the beast within one with them swinging off and holding it back and nailing the lid down...cool idea. Maybe the next one

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grey_death — GMT

Love the bionic leg detail ^_^.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Heres what I got done today, just a little coz I had to do other stuff as well, so I didn't get to finish everything I wanted to. Oh well.

Pics:

The dude with the old school techmarine backpack will count as a sergent/champ or whatever they are with a powerfist. I'm using some space wolf models and bits, and I think space wolves already look part chaos anyway so they're a good start here.

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scarab — GMT

I like the guitar cord for the backpack vent extensions.

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grey_death — GMT

It seems that your entire army is going to be full of awesome little details that I'm going to think are, how do you say, Amazingly innovative. I'm letting you know ahead of time that I love that thing you did with that marine with the gun and the legs and hands and head and backpack.

Great stuff.

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Northen — GMT

This project is coming along nicely.

The dread looks great, good job on it. Not big fan of the vindicator, design is bit off from rest of the chaos stuff, but I'll wait to see it painted. Marines look great, lots of rich details added. Keep em coming.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Well I've made a bit of progress today. I only really completed the aspiring champ and then got bored with converting loyalist to rebels so I cleaned off the parts from all the sprues ready to start assembling the standard chaos marine bodies. Only for chaos space marines, no termies or other types. It turns out I'll have almost 40 marines in the end, which is pretty cool. I didn't expect to have that many in the end so I'm pretty happy.

Then after I finish all the termies I should end up with 9 in total.

SO! When I get to the end of the assembly I should have:

38 Marines, Champs and Lord
9 Terminators
3 Vindicators
3 Defilers

Maybe I'll do 3-4 Rhinos and if I go TOTALLY insane, I might go to a superheavy like a titan or something. Or if my bro goes and sees a baneblade it might be time for one of those...

Here's some pics of what I did today:

I really like how he turned out, it's better than I expected that's for sure! His kit out is power fist (represented by the servo arm) and combi melta. My idea for the army is incredibly shooty, everything taking heavy a$$ weapons and the like. It won't have a good deal of close combat, but the idea is that most things should be kept at arms length.

That's the plan, anyway. I expect things to go south though. They always do.

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scarab — GMT

Love the body, legs, arms, etc. Even with the bionic arm, a gun that size held out at that angle is a bit too rich for my blood.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

You're absolutely right...I just couldn't figure out a way to keep the pose and the gun believable. I could change it for a bolt pistol and then holster/sling the combi weapon, but I wanted to leave him with only one gun... hmmm

I might change it later, will see what happens.

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scarab — GMT

Build the gun into his bionic arm. Put the barrels co-axial with his forearm. Very IW, if you ask me.

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migsula — GMT

I wish, with your skills, you'd do something to fix the basic SM physique, which albeit nicely decorated and converted, is plain not up to the storyline.
+ meek in comparison to other models out there.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Build the gun into his bionic arm. Put the barrels co-axial with his forearm. Very IW, if you ask me

Now there's a bloody nice idea... Thanks will work on it tomorrow

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Damn timeout double posting nonsense!

Hey Mig, what do you mean?

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scarab — GMT

Sure, looking forward to seeing it.

Migs means making your marines look more like the marines in the art (current codex), i.e., hulking and towering over mortal men. Look at Migs Cresent Guard and Hammer's WIP shots of his Ultras for some ideas how to do it. For the extreme, look up Yuri's work.

I think their efforts have made some extremely nice looking models, but to be honest, I am fine with "normal" marines too. The alternative means asking everyone to rescale every model in their army...

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Here's the latest pics, I've got all the heavy and special weapons done, with a couple of troops and the 3 aspiring champs with various kit out. I just have to finish basing the specials and heavies and that;s done, and then I'll go ahead and add some other finishing touches to each model once I've got the lot ready.

Here's the pis:

In the beginning there was plastic:

Aspiring champs backpack - I like it, I like it a lot

Casual Heavy bolter:

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scarab — GMT

Lookinng excellent as usual. "Just troops" must seem so bland after all the big stuff.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Not really...not until I got to the last 10 or so. I've still got to base most and convert 5 more standard loyalist marines to chaos yet.

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yakface — GMT

Looking good. I don't know where you find the time. I really need to turn of Halo 3 and get some painting done!

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Ok, I've got an update for yer entertainment. I've base-ically been working on the bases. Got them mostly done today, now all I need to do is finish off the job by completing the loyalist conversions - 5 to go. Then I have 6 loyalist termies to have a go at...

And then onto some defiler action!

That which is done:

That which is yet to do:

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

I've finally finished the base troops for the army. All based and ready for undercoat. Next in the list is to make up the terminators. I have 6 on sprue and 4 old school ones to convert to more current style models. If they don't turn out I'll just convert the old school termies to something else, maybe obliterators instead...

In the end, I should have 3 Defilers, 3 Vindicators, 1 Dread, 10 termies, 36 Troops and a juiced Lord. Maybe I will add 3 rhinos and 1 razorback to that mix.

Here's some pics:

The pile of bits:

And the army at present:

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Instead of an update today, since I'm waiting for stuff to soak in acetone/simple green for stripping, I thought I would post some pics/brag about what my bro turned up with the other day.

I get home after a hard days modelling, and what is there sitting beside my computer??

Nothing says love like Apocalypse - I love my brother.

Now to decide what army to put it in!!!!

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grey_death — GMT

Heheh, can't wait to see what you do with that big beast ^_-

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

An Iron Warriors Baneblade would be sweet.

BYE

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Well it seems like the general consensus is to build a Chaos Baneblade - I'll hold off on that for the moment though, because I might build something walkerish with the baneblade armament...

But today...

I've started on the terminators, and I have a total of 4 old style termies that I'm converting and updating so that I have enough to bring the squad up to ten. I'm also using the Chaos Terminator Lord/Sorceror sprues to make a standard termie, and to add in some of extras to a general detailing of the rest.

Anyway, here's todays work:

RE: Iron Warriors uber bang bang death army

Lemmingspawn — GMT

Anyone got any thoughts on armament? I'm thinking of equipping 1 with the reaper, 1 or 2 with heavy flamers, 3 with lightning claws and the rest with the standard power weapon/twin linked bolter combo. Either that, or I'll just do three with power claws, 3 with power fists, and 4 with power weapons. Or I'll go with mainly bolters and combi-bolters. Or I'll go 3 power claws and the rest standard. Or I'll shut up and wait for ideas... smile.gif

They're mainly to be part of the back-line to protect the tanks from assault, or to distract people from eating my tanks with a dash of salt.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

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migsula — GMT

[quote]Posted By Lemmingspawn on 10/19/2007 5:16 PM

They're mainly to be part of the back-line to protect the tanks from assault, or to distract people from eating my tanks with a dash of salt.[/quote] They are too expensive for that sort of job. Terminators can and should be used quite offensively to put pressure on enemy and get their points back. Looking for areas with lack of ap2 to operate.

As for the armnament, first priority is as many reapers as you get to give them long range teeth and a few LCs and CFsts in there to make them extra infantry and tank killing tools in hth.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

I was thinking something like that. It's still in the works, and I'm using what models I have and haven't yet worked out exackery how I want it running on the field. I usually use run in and smack em armies so I'm trying for something a little different with this one. Sit back and smack em.

As to the reapers, I was actually thinking of that, 2 squads of 3 with a reaper each and one squad of 4 with one. Not necessarily used in the army just modelled that way...and who knows, I got apocalypse so I can go lotsa lotsa points so the termies CAN fit in easily

As it turns out now a friend of my slapped me with this obvious nugget of wisdom - magnets. Damn it was so obvious and I still didn't see it! magnets are my friend.

RE: Iron Warriors uber bang bang death army

Lemmingspawn — GMT

Well, after finally getting unkeisterific (the sitting on of) I finally got some more action on the termies. I thought that magnets was such a good idea, I sat around thinking about how I could make it work, really I did. And if the models were all standard terminators out of the box (chaos ones I mean) then I probably could've pulled it off.

Problem is, roughly half need full conversions, so I'm going to end up with a nice mix of types, 4 twin linked bolters, 3 LC and 3 heavy weapons (1 reaper and 2 flamers) and that will do me. I might add a combi bolter in the mix but we'll see.

Enough ramble and onto the pics:

I wasn't intending on doing any with bare heads, but the one in the pic is kinda armoured...with those metal bands going over his cranium and all, so I thought it would fit. It looks pretty nice, one of my fav bare heads in the mix.

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grey_death — GMT

I really want to give the plastic termies a go some day. I haven't touched them since years before the plastics were released though. Maybe that'll be something to look into when I finish my 1k >.>.

Looking great as always. Is that a ripper head on the one O.o...?

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Yep, one old school ripper head. Love 'em!

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

I've finally constructed all the termies, so they are done. Based and such, you can all see the PVA lava floe as it has just been applied before photography. One thing I have to say, the new chaos terminators are NICE - it was real hard trying to match in the old ones sufficiently with the new. And I'm not entirely convinced I did that well, but they're ok.

Here's the pics:

My favourite of the bunch is the one in the middle of the above pic. I just love the way it looks and feels. Followed a close second by the one to it's right.

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Symbio Joe — GMT

I want to ride on one into battle. Very lovely work.

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grey_death — GMT

Have to agree with ya Lem, that middle top termie has an awesome pose. Very "Strolling over the hill to find something to kill next" feel to him.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Now. Here's my dilemma. I didn't start with the idea to make a defiler like this. In fact, I wanted to make a variation of the Ripley. I tried but all that happened was my imagination had other ideas...bast@rd!

Anyways, this was what I started with to try and make a variation on the torso I made for Ripley, so that I could start a new beast of uber bang bang death:

Minus the tentacles sprouting from beneath it, of course

Then I ended up with this:

And finally, because a close combat defiler needs one cannon, I tried this:

With no intention of building a redback defiler...and here's what I get. Evil tentacled spider octopus. Lemme know what you think, although it'll be nearly impossible to disassemble at this juncture, I can do other stuff with it to make it a bit different. Ideas are definitely welcome.

Funny thing is, in real life it looks pretty cool, but in the pics I'm a little "meh" about it...

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Symbio Joe — GMT

Well, the "classical" way would be to built a "sting" which ends in the reaper can and the heavy flamer. But I don't know if it will look good.

RE: Iron Warriors uber bang bang death army

Lemmingspawn — GMT

Not for this one, I've tooled this defiler to be a close combat variant. In the new rules you can swap all weapons, except the cannon, for a close combat attachment, so this has essentially 4 dreadnought CCW and the cannon. 5 attacks and fleet! noice...

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Mahu — GMT

I like it, the only thing I would add in the Banebalde Hell cannon nossile to it, if you only plan on fielding a standard Baneblade,

RE: Iron Warriors uber bang bang death army

Lemmingspawn — GMT

I've removed the turret, because that was the main thing that was bugging me about the thing and added an underslung cannon. It's not quite as large but it still serves - it can be some kind of experimental chaos plasma blast cannon or something fluffwise - but it will still do the defiler cannon thing.

The cannon:

And with big brother!

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Tacobake — GMT

Sweet conversions, dude. The walkers for the over-the-topness and the termies just for pure cool/unique looking factor.

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Wehrkind — GMT

That defiler is dead sexy. I love the very arachno-demon look of it. Let me know how you paint up the Immolator windshield part; I am having fits getting mine to look good as the paint refuses to stick.

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Commander Usiel — GMT

~Blink~ .... @_@ .... ~Blink~

ah,hem... ~Deep Breath~

IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!!!

Nuff said ^_^

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grey_death — GMT

Looking at the new defiler and big brother next to one another, I can't help but think the newbie should be bulked up a bit with some more armor plates.

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TragicNut — GMT

Also, what did you use to bulk up the torso 'shoulders'? Specifically, the black pieces.

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

Well I've finished based and finalised the construction of the Black Widow pattern Fast assault defiler, with new improved stabby tentacle ends and hot lava base to match!

We haven't had power here for like 6 hours so I'm doing a quick post before I go to bed. Here's the pics, and I've started on the construction of upright defiler number 2. I'm considering arming the second with twin linked lascannons and either twin linked flamer or havoc launcher. Haven't decided totally yet. I think another ccw would probably be better but I'll work that out as I go...

Pics:

And a taste of the ideas I have for the new defiler:

Laterz!

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Wehrkind — GMT

Dude, you need to label those posts "Not Safe For Work." That much porn could get a man fired!

Seriously, have some consideration for those of us whose job is not "Excreting Distilled Awesome".

RE: Iron Warriors uber bang bang death army

Lemmingspawn — GMT

Lol, that's a weird way to compliment my work Wehrkind, and thanks!

Keep in mind that the concept pic idea is simply a rough idea of how some of it will work. The main sections I will be using are the arms and partially the legs and some of the body plating. Other than that it's going to be more a variant of the ripley than an entirely new pattern...

RE: Iron Warriors uber bang bang death army

Lemmingspawn — GMT

Well, since I haven't started painting yet, I've started Ripleys twin sister, the clone with the alien child within! Yeah, that's a cool idea, chained within the belly of this beast lies a daemonically possessed alien host...mwahahahhaahahahah!!!

Ahem...anyways...

Have a look at these pics, the main complaint I had about Ripley was the legs seemed a little weedy. Here's an attempt at making them look a bit bulkier, although just keep in mind this is not the final pose, it's all bluetacked (oh god I HATE getting bluetack out of models!) in place to give me the impression I want.

Here's the box I begin with. This box is the whole of the bits I have set aside to draw upon for the second upright defiler:

And here is what the second hip-leg structure looks like at this point in time:

I find it really hard to copy the Ripley because I want the second to have a similar feel but it's own individuality. You know, like how Ripley original had normal humanity and Ripley clone had acid blood, black fingernails and crazy wild insane behaviour?

Well, lets see if we can capture some of that...hmm...I think that's all captured in Ripley 1...doh!

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Wehrkind — GMT

Heh. mostly the spider Lemming. The Bipedal thing is always neat, but the spider is spot on awesome.

Perhaps a good way to go with the Ripley 2 is a more organic look, perhaps an almost Nurgle-esque level of demonic possession. More skin and bio looking parts fused with the machine. Or perhaps more overt use of humans wired into it, either as fire control (sort of uber servitors) or in little glass pods off the shoulders used for power. Something like that might set it apart a bit from it's big sister while still maintaining the techno-monster look you are so admirably creating.

RE: Iron Warriors uber bang bang death army

Lemmingspawn — GMT

A quick note before I get back to work - What do you think of this:

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yakface — GMT

I have to say I don't care for it. The head just looks really silly, kind of like some sort of 1940's cartoon character. I'm assuming the arms won't be droopy like that either, right? Because they look pretty awkward as well.

But I do love the torso and legs!

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

I've been looking at this thing all arvo and I can't get started or any fresh ideas...even with the concept which indicates I've got a bit of creative block. To help alleviate this and waste no more time, I've decided to simply stick to the Ripley design and just do the weapon variations and maybe a different styled CCW instead. Save the monsterbot for another project at another time...

More to come tomorrow when I get back on track.

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TragicNut — GMT

[quote]Posted By Lemmingspawn on 10/30/2007 9:18 PM
A quick note before I get back to work - What do you think of this:

[/quote] I think the cannon needs to be shoulder or chest mounted as opposed to neck mounted. Also, the left arm looks one segment too long, it's almost down to its foot.

Also, what is the black thing surrounding the left-hand plastic shoulder?

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Lemmingspawn — GMT

The black things on the shoulders are wheels off a Crushgear toy. I got some real cheap a while ago, since they're such a crap idea, but great for some conversion ideas...

Both of the arms are actually the same size as the legs, and just full Defiler claws. It's just coz it's hanging and the angle of the shot that makes them look that long. It's ok anyways, I think it's kinda funky with the arms like this, but I'm rebuilding it Ripley-esque instead. It's easier that way and I don't wanna burn myself out creatively on this army. I did that with my 3.5k of orks and now I still can't get back to painting them!!!

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Commander Usiel — GMT

Alien Resurrection Ripley FTW!!! (Read the book she's even creepier - She even telepathically communicates with the aliens ^_^)

I like the Heavy Mantis arm look, A lot. Perhaps something Insectoid for the head, ala Nurgle Marines or 80's Decepticon Transformers.

Don't fizz out! This project is awesome!!!

Usi

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TragicNut — GMT

[quote]Posted By Lemmingspawn on 10/31/2007 5:39 AM
The black things on the shoulders are wheels off a Crushgear toy. I got some real cheap a while ago, since they're such a crap idea, but great for some conversion ideas...

Both of the arms are actually the same size as the legs, and just full Defiler claws. It's just coz it's hanging and the angle of the shot that makes them look that long. It's ok anyways, I think it's kinda funky with the arms like this, but I'm rebuilding it Ripley-esque instead. It's easier that way and I don't wanna burn myself out creatively on this army. I did that with my 3.5k of orks and now I still can't get back to painting them!!![/quote]
Might it have been this http://www.tisinc99.com/crusgeargaik.html one by any chance?

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Wehrkind — GMT

Actually, I think it has potential. I would hunch it forward a bit, with one of the claws on the ground. I am thinking sort of a gorilla sort of look. Then for the battle cannon head, build a wolfish skull around it, with the cannon coming out of the mouth. Then instead of it being at a roughly 90 degree angle from the chest, have it pointing forward off a stocky neck attached to the now ~45 degree torso.

Might work.

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migsula — GMT

I like it. Much more so than the chicken design that wasn't my cup of tea. The arms are akward, but if they are posed more aggressively "the wrongness" of the joints is very chaose and possible good as a consequence. Yeah. I think I like it. I say go for it.