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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Thread closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Thread closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353172.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353181.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353184.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

HQ
-Demon Prince
-Mark of slannesh, Lash of Submission, Wings.
155

-Demon Prince
-Mark of Slannech, Lash of Submisson, Wings.
155

Troops
-Plague Marines (10)
-Plague Champion, power fist.
-2 Plasma guns.
300

-Thousand son (10)
-Aspiring sorceror
-Doombolt
300

-Thousand Son (10)
-Aspiring Sorceror
-Doombolt
300

-Noise marines (6)
-6 sonic blasters
150

-Noise Marines (6)
-5 Sonic Blasters
-Blastmaster
180

Heavy Support
-2 Oblits
150
-2 Oblits
150
-2 Oblits
150

There are five points left over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353198.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 HS obliterators and 2 lash princes and 2 small squads of noise marines will do nothing wont hold objectives for over a minute they get shot down that army list is boring tbh to have 10 in each squad of sons have to buy 3 packs and use 2 outa one whats the point tbh i might one day get lash prince but il try out sorceror for now]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353210.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 cc bite.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353212.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

Xav wrote:ok i hate having all HS obliterators and 2 lash princes and 2 small squads of noise marines will do nothing wont hold objectives for over a minute they get shot down that army list is boring tbh to have 10 in each squad of sons have to buy 3 packs and use 2 outa one whats the point tbh i might one day get lash prince but il try out sorceror for now

Be more specific next time. You might also want to say something like "Don't make this list any better than as is" or "Take into consideration that I'm not willing to go outside what is in a single box of these units" when you post. But then again... why post under those circumstances?

Edit: The NM are there for shooting not objective holding. You could combine them if you thought it was really necessary.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353248.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
and

im gonna change the 2 squadsthousand son in one big squad]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353659.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

Xav wrote:il think il keep what i got do you think im lacking in anti-tank

and

im gonna change the 2 squadsthousand son in one big squad

Yes you are, and why do that? You turn two strong mobile forces into a huge one with not as much firepower as the two smaller ones. Because your losing an aspiring sorc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353690.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/353852.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354827.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
BDA]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354847.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354855.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 DP, better are two DPs. Winged Sorcerer, but no Raptors? Only 3 Obliterators. Three large troops but easy to outmaneuver. Not a competitive army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354909.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354909.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354919.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 I would trade the plaguemarines and the noisemarines for more thousand sons. Thousand sons are more effective then both of them. with the RUN rule you can get within 24 inch for inferno bolter shooting. use your lash to move enemy units out of cover and within rapid fire. this way you can also stay on the objective markers halfway across the battlefield.

two big units of thousand sons reduces your amount of units for kill points and it works great in the dawn of war mission.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354930.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/354932.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355006.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355022.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

t funkadelic wrote:thousand sons are kind of lame now that their ap3 is more or less taken out of commission due to nearly everything finding some variety of a cover save. you might just want to switch those out for plague marines, or berzerkers for a bit more cc bite.

I second this. Both of the main thousand son advantages (AP3, 4+ invul) are considerably less worthwhile now that both the sons and their target are likely to get cover saves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355027.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355041.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
3 combi-meltas and 3 oblits at 2000 points means on turn 2 you have 3 combi-meltas (which will be ignored).

Chaos has only certain builds that are "effective" beyond 1000 points, when the game encourages tank armies and hordes.

Chaos needs to be able to deal with both. This list can handle hordes, but cannot handle tanks.

I know it seems like a really great combo, but defiler + lash really just sucks. Easily broken up by destroying the defiler or it's main gun.

Lash + plasma cannons off the oblits...now that's bank.

For it's points, I'd give this a 3.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355049.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355811.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355830.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355848.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355858.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355858.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355864.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355864.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

Xav wrote:oh well i like the list i believe its good

so you write a list and post it on a forum that is known for its population of competitive gamers? do you ever think before you do anything? what is generally considered to be a 'good' army list is one that is competitive or near competitive. this is because the standard of play at most FLGS is generally quite low. a lot of armies that will do well there would perform very poorly in a tournament situation. next time you post an army list, state specifically on what criteria you would like it to be judged. this will mean that people dont waste minutes of their precious time posting a reply that you will largely ignore.

as for the list itself:

not enough anti-tank. no real fire power. very little ranged capacity.

oblits are good, you need more. i dont care if you think theyre boring.

Thousand Sons suck in 5th. im sorry to say, but they do. noise marines are better.

defilers are useless. they die turn one.

i cant really see your terminators doing anything, but in the interests of varitey, they will do.

i rate this (because you did ask, even though your subsequent replays have annoyed me) 4/10

finally, use full stops. im hardly a bastion of good punctuation or grammtical practise, but reading your post without clearly defined sentances is incredibly frustrating.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/355906.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
With Imperial Guard and Sisters of Battle, I bet I could consistently beat your 2000 points with only 1500 for my army. Depending on scenario, I might be able to go as low as 1300.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356004.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
Not enough anti-tank, and the anti-tank you do have is Oblits. Not good.

This reeks of every other cliched Chaos list out there, except it's trying to be different, and it isn't working. The Defiler is severely out of place, being your only vehicle in a 2000 point list, and the Lashes are gonna give you no conceivable advantage, because your Oblits will die.

Start over from scratch, and also, split up the unit of Plague Marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356057.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

Burning Star IV wrote:

This reeks of every other cliched Chaos list out there, except it's trying to be different, and it isn't working. The Defiler is severely out of place, being your only vehicle in a 2000 point list, and the Lashes are gonna give you no conceivable advantage, because your Oblits will die.

The reason it's so cliched is because that the 6 to 9 Oblit + Lash DPs list is the only competitive one. It isn't the codexes fault it was gutted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356062.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
The defiler + lash combo being dismantled by someone destroying the defiler's battle cannon is a problem. If you really like the idea, you may consider a vindicator with possession - about the same points, not useless versus terminators or other 2+ saves, and 1 more point of armour. It's also got a smaller profile, making it easier to get cover saves.

Your terminators going plasma heavy may be a problem. Perhaps if you want more anti-tank, make all those plasmas into meltas? As you use them, you can make the "duds" be the casualties if you take fire, and keep on using the spares on other tanks as you go. Problem is that you use a 10-man squad of terminators to eliminate one tank at a time. Splitting them up into two squads of 5 may serve you better. Or if you don't want to buy two marks of nurgle, try a squad of 7 with the mark and a squad of 3 without, consisting of an autocannon, chainfist, and 2 meltaguns. Deepstrike it, nuke a tank, and then let it be an annoyance to the enemy.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356066.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 tbh i have advice and i changed it i like it and also people in my local gamesworkshop aint like realy competive we play more fun games so read the title i did'nt say rate competeive army list i think this be a fun list to play and would do pretty well against space marines, chaos space marines

also

i rate the player not the army a crap player could do badly with a good army same with a good player with a bad army

so dont say i could beat this with my sisters army cause you never played me so you cant say this]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356251.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

Xav wrote:tbh i have advice and i changed it i like it and also people in my local gamesworkshop aint like realy competive we play more fun games so ur just being stupid i think this be a fun list to play and would do pretty well against space marines, chaos space marines

then dont ask for advice on an internet forum. especially then dont call people stupid because they did what you asked of them. if you weren't going to change the list anyway them why did you post here and waste everybodies time?

and use full stops. they are betweeen the right-shift key and the apostrophie key.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356253.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356256.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
It takes a poster like this, to make me come out of my many months of lurking.

Its hard to believe that someone could post a list and ask for advice, and then
shoot down every bit that he gets. All the while putting down those that have
offered the advice.

If there is one thing I can say about the people who post here, it's that I've
learned more about the rules and tactics of Warhammer 40k here than on
any other forum. Also the people that post here generally are genuine and
hand out critisism in a way so as not to put one down.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356293.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being My Chemical Romance and 10 being Michael Phelps, I would give it a meh.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356312.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356323.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 I'm looking at the most recent list with 5 edits. I Kinda agree with the general feeling towards the list:
I'd split the terminators into two squads of five and switch to all meltas for better tank hunting,
and drop the terminators mark of nurgle and save the points.
and split the PMs into two squads and buy another champion PF and Plasma guns
Maybe change the defiler for a preditor annihilator or more oblits...

marks outta 10 = 7

PaniC..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356330.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356414.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 but that's list building isn't it!
you'll find points by dropping a few things like the mark of nurgle
scrimp and save here and spend there...

PaniC..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356424.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 lol you should have seen my original list ive changed it so much and im pretty happy with it.

and i get so much mixed opinion i like the defiler and some people say its good others "scrap it" in this thread i asked for a rating and people have given me a rating of 1 cause im apparently ignoring advice that other people have warned me against also they should read the title i asked for a rating they also say i could could beat it with this army or this well you dont know that you havnt played me.

sorry if i seem like im ignoring advice but ive had alot of mixed opinion]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356524.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356524.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356530.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 lol people on different threads said keep it

tbh il keep it see how it goes if its terrible il swap it with someone for a predator with twin-linked las and heavy bolter SP or one with all las probaly all las as im pretty much lacking in anti-tank but il be 30 points over im 15 over now lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356578.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
-Terminators (10)
-4 combi plasma,4 combi melta,2 reapers,2 chainfists
-Mark of nurgle.
-460

does not make any sense. with the plasma, ur equipping it to kill MEQ, with melta and chainfist for heavy tankbusting, and with the reapers for GEQ killing/light tank busting. If you are using them for one of these roles you are completely wasting its potential for the other roles, for example if you fire at a rhino you are wasting the melta and chainfists (because they would be better used for taking down a land raider)

Also, you have not taken into account at all the possiblity of facing a horde. You do not have a single flamer, and can only pack a max of 32 shots per turn, and will get vastly overwhelmed by orcs in melee... imagine 80+ boys for the points of ur thousand sons, ripping them apart in a furious melee. Oh, and another 80 against ur termies, here the mathammer:

Termies: 20 attakcs x .5 chance to hit x .5 chance to wound = 5 of 80 boys dead = 30 pts of dead ork

Lets say they can fit 1 mob of 30 into combat with you

Boyz: 60 attacks x .5 chance to hit x.5 chance to wound x.1666 chance to fail save = 2 or 3 dead termies =100 pts of dead CSM

100 divided by 30 is more than 3 to one ratio of loss

Don't even think about trying to wipe them out in shooting- you dont have a singel flamer]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356842.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356845.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356921.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 Xav, why do you want rating for a fun list, a list that is not even fun to play. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356949.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356964.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/356964.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10
and james you also forgot i can just lash the hordes back

a big squad of 25 orks lash once lets say 5 inches back next lash another 6 inches

and weust i think this list will be fun to play

and also all you people if ur so good at making army list you re-create this one keeping the plague marines defiler and 1 sqad of thousand son in cause the guy who gave me a 1 back there on the first page looked at one of his army lists it was crap]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357078.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

JamesBlake wrote:

Termies: 20 attakcs x .5 chance to hit x .5 chance to wound = 5 of 80 boys dead = 30 pts of dead ork

Lets say they can fit 1 mob of 30 into combat with you

Boyz: 60 attacks x .5 chance to hit x.5 chance to wound x.1666 chance to fail save = 2 or 3 dead termies =100 pts of dead CSM

100 divided by 30 is more than 3 to one ratio of loss

Don't even think about trying to wipe them out in shooting- you dont have a singel flamer

well,you forgot one important fact:the "No retreat" for fearless units.

orks will suffer additional wounds after lose the combat.every unit of the lost side which just engaged in the combat will suffer it.

so the ork player would not make himself into a multi-combat.it would make the casaulty change-ratio for the termies looks better.(but i also think that the termies still cannot get back their costs)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357109.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 lol but first thing i would'nt put the termies in combat against a mob of 30 orks into there weakened second thing they have the mark of nurgle so the orks be wounding on 5s

also i do have flamers on the obliterators ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357119.page GMT Re:Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357233.page GMT Chaos space marine 2000points please give it a rating between 1/10

JamesBlake wrote:
Termies: 20 attakcs x .5 chance to hit x .5 chance to wound = 5 of 80 boys dead = 30 pts of dead ork

Lets say they can fit 1 mob of 30 into combat with you

Boyz: 60 attacks x .5 chance to hit x.5 chance to wound x.1666 chance to fail save = 2 or 3 dead termies =100 pts of dead CSM

100 divided by 30 is more than 3 to one ratio of loss

Don't even think about trying to wipe them out in shooting- you dont have a singel flamer

Blake your math is off a little, those 30 Boyz will have 120 attacks to maul his termies with 2Base+1Additional CCW+1charging=4

120*.5 (to hit)*.5 (to wound)*(1/6)(Termie saves)=5

Should be enough to wipe out a termie squad all together.

Should we be incorporating grammar into our scores?

Well since the original post has been deleted by the OP in an attempt to close down the thread I can't give it a score.

I for incomplete then!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357276.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/216278/357276.page GMT