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11th Dark Apostle
2010-05-25 22:40:42
Space Marine |
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conan560
2010-05-26 02:00:40
100% space marines |
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Ryan Gentsch
2010-06-05 21:59:10
yes indead space marine |
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grayspark
2010-06-21 16:13:39
I'd have to say the spartan... The space marine would never even lay a hand on the spartan.
Whereas the spartan uses a Spartan Laser, or a Rocket Launcher, Fuel Rod Cannon, Wraith, Scorpian, Plasma Grenade, or an energy sword.
If all else fails he'll run the Space Marine over... |
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BassWave
2010-07-02 23:04:35
There the same, if anything a spartan is more agile |
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HadoukenAvenger
2010-07-03 10:46:04
Master Chief would be taking a dump in the SM's open chest cavity before he realised he was in a fight. |
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Reaper6
Coolness 10/10 @ 2010-07-03 14:53:41
Two words - Lightning Claws - Spartan Chunks, anyone ? |
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Master Llyons
2010-07-24 10:42:27
oh Halo fan boys... don't you have reach to wait for? |
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The Imperator
2010-08-09 06:24:51
Space marine scout |
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Captain Godfrey
2010-08-11 01:56:26
The spartan deels in subtlety, and the marines in raw power, i would have to say Spatan because he would spring out of now where and stick the marines neck joint with a 'nade. Its like comparing the actual stealthy Ninja, to the well armored Samurai. |
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daedalus-templarius
2010-08-17 21:50:44
I am doing a sequential storyboard/comic of this... topic. I will try to be fair to both sides! Should be some bloody fun :) |
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Eldrad
2010-11-01 00:21:07
If im right then that is isnt just any marien thats a blood angle he would go into a blood rage and kick th the living crap out of the spartan b4 he even realized that the marien shot his bolter plus all that a energy sword is just a crapy power weapon and we have bigger tanks |
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general calageen
2010-12-10 09:05:25
how could some of you say the spartan would win the space marine is biger sronger and faster
and he comes fron the year 40 000 the spartan comes from the year 2552 the space marine
would crush the spartan |
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slaaneshiicommissar
2010-12-15 00:46:13
Roflmao, awesome mate. |
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warlord snagrod
2011-01-28 00:13:17
space marine |
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Hikaru-119
2011-01-29 18:40:03
Spartan. |
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Gridge
2011-01-31 14:39:29
For those who say a spartan is subtle where a marine is merely brute force consider that every marine spends (usually) decades as a scout before being promoted to being a full battle brother. The marines themselves can be incredibly stealthy, it's just their armor that makes this difficult. Also, don't discount their incredible senses, sneaking up on a marine would be very tough to do. Lastly, marines do not move slowly as people seem to imagine, they are always described as moving with lightning speed even in full power armor. In short, I like spartans too, but I would have to think this would go to the marine. |
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DEADWIND
2011-02-18 22:58:59
You can't just declare who would win willy-nilly just because you like 40K over Halo (Eldrad) or who would win by listing one or two details. Also, take into account the huge differences in time, tech and mentality. For instance, while a SM is set in a world that may grant him more advantages over a Spartan, a Spartan is regarded as more of an individual thinker while a Space Marine is indoctrinated by religious dogma. It's not going to stop Spartans from figuring them out. Both are highly trained, have super speed, strength and reflexes and are both battle experienced in fighting a variety of enemies.
Gridge: thanks for pointing out the life of the scout that the SM must survive before he becomes a SM. We need canon/proof of who will win. |
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Godeth
2011-03-10 10:14:56
Its a close call. Space marines realy on there brothers and tatics from there commander. As for the Sparton he does what is needed by himself. One on one I reckon the Sparton Would get the kill. But hey look at Alien and Predator! |
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black templar
2011-03-15 16:27:22
Space marine because they live thousands of years and are veterans of many battle and a large amount of weapons. |
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poda_t
2011-03-21 04:27:35
Oh for GODS sake, not this argument again......
I have read the Haloverse fluff, and can confirm, a spartan's genehancements make said spartan 80% of what a SM is. Add armor to that, and we essentially have Carapace armor with 5-up invulnerable save. In table-top terms, they would have the identical stat-line. Its not a question of arsenal, because the plasma cannon would be identical to the fuel rod. Gab on all you like about the retarded ZOMG BUT THEY HAVE X WEAPON OVER Y. A spartan would use EVERY means available to them, whereas a SM is indoctrinated in glory and honor. I twould be a fairly evenly matched fight. Auspex integrated into armor vs handleld auspex, etc. The list goes on of tit for tat between the two. I would have to say its 55% in marine, and 45 for spartan. I'm not talking McChief and McCaptain, Im talking striaght-up SPARTAN II against Codex Astartes Marine. I can go on ad nauseum about why this is an even-matched fight. |
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5P0G
2011-03-21 20:18:40
meanwhile, grots steal all there stuff |
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yeroc500
2011-03-24 23:26:11
I agree with poda on this. I`m a bigger halo fan than a 40k fan but they are equal on all measures. |
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JamesMclaren123
2011-04-22 22:20:12
one on one the spartan would win (due to him being, faster, greater relexes, about the same strength, more adile, meltally superior, haveing an AI in thier head, near unbreakable bones, better suits of armour(ie increse in srength speed reflexes electronic warfare ect not just protection) and most imporantly good shields SHEILDS.
however over all marines win due to better weapons resorses protection support units psychic powers and most of all numbers. Godeth agreed with the AvP |
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Ryze
2011-04-26 03:47:59
space marine wins no question.. |
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mekbadzappa
2011-05-09 01:24:06
Lord commisar would lop his limbs off with a power sword and shoot him with a bolt pistol, but I, by canons sake would have to give it to the space marine, standard gear, bolter to an assault rifle chief wouldn't do any damage to a space marines armor and also sms would spit acid if he took off his helm and besides strength to strength a marine would break chief in half. |
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poda_t
2011-06-24 04:06:06
Read.... alll... .relevant... fluff...... reaaadddd..... allll..... relevanttt..... ffffffluuuuffffffff...
And space marines do have kinks in their armor. This is an even fight. period. |
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Spartan laser 114
2011-08-24 16:02:30
In hand to hand i would say it even. they have all been trained in war. and both have trained in tactics and how to find weakspots.
In guns i would say it favors to the spartan. They have been trained to use any weapon and have what to do in difficult odds. Spartans armor is not as big has the space marines so the spartan can move a bit faster and their armor allows for easy mobility. The space marines armor is bad. its big and that means their reflexes are not as fast.
In vehicals i do not know what to say. i would say it favors to space marine since their vehicals have armor plating. But as i said at guns spartans are taught to use vehicals they are not familiar with.
So i would say its even. I know you may think that the spartans died but that's cos they were faced with impossible odds but took the risk. But you cant really place this. 2 different time periods. Space marine is after 2552 so they would have better tech but spartans could win cos they have high odds |
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Avatrass
2011-09-07 14:49:20
Lol, what a debate. 60% here know nothing about both Space Marines and Spartans. Their reality is totally different so discussions like this are senseless for there is 20% rational arguments
and 80% of stupid twaddle. Take it easy, just admire the artwork! |
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chrisalayon
2011-09-28 00:30:46
a spartans guns are no where near superior to that of a spacemarines. that may be the most blasphemous statement. a single bolter round would probably blow master chief into 5 pieces. keep in mind a short spacemarine is about 9-10 feet tall. huge genetically engineered super soldier trained to counter any threat to the imperium, bigger guns, bigger bullets. plus bolter rounds explode on impact and the bolter is a fully automatic assault rifle. if master chief is lucky enough to survive the first bullet and its explosion theres still a hell of alot more coming. and if some how a spartan and spacemarine go to melee combat it would be pitiful to watch, the spartan has more of a chance staying away. far away. if most of you knew as much about the 40k universe as you think you know than you would all agree that if the spartans took on the imperium there would be an exterminatus. probably dont even know what an exterminatus is without looking it up |
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Alasdair052
2011-11-07 02:07:44
the space marine would win but only because they are impossibly powerful, I would love to say spartans would but whether your talking about spartan II’s or spartan III’s the spartan would lose however i like there story much more and especially the story of Halsleys spartan 2’s |
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lord kryz
Painting 10/10, Coolness 10/10 @ 2011-12-17 13:35:35
The space marine can't lose really. The bio-engineering is far more advanced, the technology is greatly superior and he is trained to be a living weapon. If by some miracle the Spartan actually won the imperial navy or chapter fleer would just destroy the entire planet. Then they would kick seven shades of crap out of the covenant for being aliens |
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Chaos Cajun
2012-03-18 19:32:11
Ladies, settle down.
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killykavekommando
2012-03-18 23:12:40
Love this. |
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sierra 1247
2012-03-31 20:13:54
depends on the space marine, if it was shrike, he would kick chiefs ass. if it was calgar, chief would just pown cos hes not a glory hunting asswipe, and bolters are more like grenade machine guns on a smaller scale
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sierra 1247
2012-03-31 20:18:39
and also remember that one single spartan kicked the convenants ass whilst 2-3 legions of space marines were wiped out on istvaan iv IN ONE GOD DAMMN DAY!!!
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wpago
2012-04-29 02:08:18
If we are taking mccheif then we must take the most bad ass space marine aka draigo. Now draigo would kill cheif with but a thought due to him being a psyker. 2nd with draigo being in terminator armor anything the marine thoughs at him will more than likely bounce off. In case off fuel rod gun (aka a plasma gun really) he still has his storm sheild. lets also not forget that his storm bolter shoots .75 cal. bolter rounds that are pretty much grenades. Where as the cheif at most has a palsma gun or more than likely he will have a BAR/assault rifle, pistole and 2 frag grenades. now with these load outs draigo would kill cheif if you didnt take into account him being a psyker. I say in this it is 99.9 repeating to .0 repeating then a 1 |
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Burialserge
2012-04-29 03:34:21
i say spartan cuz hes not fighting chaos hahaha |
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storag
2012-04-29 07:42:19
Guys, calm down ) Master Chief can not be kiled - he's got all the LUCK in the world! And Cortana. This makes him virtualy untouchable ;) |
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Litanyoffury1
2012-04-29 10:32:02
I gotta say as cool as MC is he would have no chance against a SM. the differences between the two are just too big. SM have much more advanced weaponry. And for everyone saying MC is faster is a load of rubbish. Yeah SM are bigger with their armour but it's power armour. The internal mechanisms and hydraulics counteract its weight. SM are also insanely strong and the only reason so many marines were killed on istvaan is because they were fighting other SM's!! |
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Spartan-Kun
2012-04-29 19:21:10
I'd say the Spartan would win. Just because Space Marines are from the year 40,000 doesnt mean they have better tech, good example: Warp travel v.s. Slipspace travel. Also, the Imperium has effectivly given up on technology, The Space Marines plasma weapons have the tendancy to kill their users, a Spartan blasting away with a plasma rifle won't kill him. Ever. And a Spartan's hud shows him a reticule (Just like we see in the games) because his armor links with his weapon. And I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a Space Marine flipping an up-side down 60 ton TANK. |
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lil dave
2012-11-02 21:36:07
lets put it this way a space marine is gonna be a foot maybe more taller and about 100lb heavier than the spartan and about 2 as wide but still be able to move faster and more agile even with his Armour on. hes gonna have more combat experience than the spartan as he will have lived longer.
Please read this wiki and then make your mind up
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com
but seriuosly the space marine would defo win becasue he is more advanced |
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lil dave
2012-11-02 21:49:21
oh and the drop site massacre people are going on about it took 8 legions at roughly 2/3rd strength a few titans and a master plan thought up by Horus to nearly wipe out 3 entire legions and kill a primarch and mortally wound another while making the other one MIA presumed dead. and please can halo fans get this idea out of there heads that chief is indestructible because comparing him to a space marine shows he's not. yes he has strengthened bones so they don't break as much, a space marines bone structure changes completely at the end his rib cage will be one solid fused bullet proof mass of inter locking plates his bones will be the size of your arms and they will be a mix of bone and ceramite. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:17:51
sorry but a space marine stand a foot taller than a spartan when both are full armoured, spartan armour is made of the same stuff as marine armour but it's sheilds are weaker and it's armour thiner. assault rifle for a spartan is akin to a stubber, which has about the power of a lasgun which does alot of damage to a person as a lasgun boils you cells around the area hit but against armour it does fuck all. bolter...fires 75cal rocket propelled internaly explosive rounds. and it rapid fires these. bassically, you can kiss you spartan armour goodbye after a few shells, or one to the visor. also, if you read the book legion there is a bit where a marine knocks a mans gun out of his hand, grabs his neck and lifts him it the air in the time it took him to blink. they are increadibly fast. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:18:00
Space marines also have 19 implanted organs each of which makes them increadibly good at everything, they have far thicker bones than cheif that even at the same thickness would be stronger, they have 2 hearts, 4 lungs, the ability to go into space without any protection for short periods of time with no damage, they spit acid that can melt most metals they can rip a man in half before he was even aware of the marines pesence. their reactions are so fast that even the eldar struggle to outmatch them in speed and they are so strong they can go toe to toe with an ork twice their size. i'm sorry but cheif is pathetic when compared to a space marine so a regular spartan doesn't stand a chance. and please feel free to quote any of what i said on any other website where the halo fans are getting rowdy. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:21:55
You also have to remeber that cheif killed an entire army of tactically backwards zealots who have no concept of cover and will actually stand still for 3 seconds while you shoot them before they go "oh crap, i'm getting shot i better move out the wasdfaljdfg". by this time they are of course dead... |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:24:46
Also remeber, cheif would never have succeded in halo combat evolved if the covenant hadn't openly broadcasted tactical data on an unencrypted channel and if there wasn't only 1 way for him to possibly go. so yeah, when you compare that to say, a single marine being able to take on and kill 100 men... |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:28:17
Infact what am i talking about, cheif was 7 feet tall, most other spartans were smaller. marines are 8 feet tall so erm, yeah, refer to the scene in the avengers with hulk and loki, but hulk is a space marine, and loki is your precious master cheif...if you are unaware of this scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_DaDQTmkSU |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:38:26
Also, numbs nuts with the plasma theory, thats cause the imperium uses REAL plasma. as in 9000 degrees celcius hot matter. plus the plasma weaponry in halo is not human so you can shut up about your tech argument and power armour directly connents to the marine through one of his implanted organs, the black carapace, which connect the marine to his suit and his gun is connected. also, fuel rod gun has the same power as a halo rocket launcher which is about powerful enought to get through power armour, but not quite, maybe with a sustained barrage, but we are walking standard weaponry here so if cheif gets a fuel rod gun, marine can tak a plasma cannon and watch cheif die, or better, just take a storm bolter. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:39:45
god dam it...when will people start realising that there is very little in science fiction that can outmatch 40k? everything in 40k is made to the fucking max of relative possibility. you ain't beeting it without being rediculous or just generaly not making sense.
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:46:07
no a marine does not need a commander, they are taught to be stratagists from their inception into a chapter, it's just that some excell more than others dues to natural gene compatability with the implants. also, try sneaking up on someone who already has augmented senses of hearing, enough to pick out a single insect in a rainforest, then give him a helmet that further augments this but also blocks out any sounds that would damage his hearing or tone them down to a level he can cope with. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:49:05
sneakyness, again, read legion. fully armoured marines managing to sneak up on highly trained soldiers as they were selectivly bred purely for intellegence and pysical ability, even psyker spies who have been alive for hundreds of years. that means in power armour, sneaking up on people. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 01:57:29
also, fluff does not support cheif being able to lift a 60 tonne tank. notice with 60 tonnes of force he still only breaks an elites shields? ya that would kill him outright. not only that, it would cave his fave in, acually it would probably make his face just explode. they only said that cause the couldn't be bother fixing their vehicles so they don't always fall over in game. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-05 02:04:50
Also for reference sake, ceremite is a sort of ceramic metal, what spartan armour is made of, that is also in the bones of a space marine.... marines armour is also powered by a minature nuclear reactor, so take the marines strength and give it a litteraly atomic boost. |
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Snrub
2013-01-05 03:28:43
Jesus Ironmonkey. Chill out mate. 11 consecutive comments is going a bit far. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2013-01-07 16:10:25
lol, i get bored and we already had this argument on factpile. this was our conclusion |
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jcrone2
2013-07-02 00:15:37
If anyone else wants to tell me that 37,000 years of technological advancement dont make a SM the winner hands down then they can GTFO |
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Wyzilla
2014-01-15 10:59:04
Also, for those stating the Chief's faster, he ain't. Astartes have faster reaction times and run faster. People actually can go insane from witnessing an Astartes in combat simply from the wrong-ness of such a large and heavy creature being able to run at the speed of an automobile. Then of course there's every weapon save the Spartan Laser being non-lethal and meanwhile Spartan II shields wouldn't last very long at all against a bolter.
As for the artwork, great, nice painting. I also have to especially comment on the scaling- it's perfect. BL marines average around high seven feet to a low eight feet, with John 117 being 7'6 (IIRC), it's actually quite a perfect scaling of the two. |
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1R0NM0NK3Y
2014-02-02 16:27:59
There is a bit in one of the Heresy novels where the enemies have armour that can withstand a shot from a bolt shell and only got slightly dented. however the sheer force of the impact and the explosion ruptured most of the humans internal organs. the armour bassically did nothing to protect him XD |
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