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 adamsouza wrote:
I would have been happier with more tiles and models and less walls and trees.

Lack of proper LOS blocking is one of the biggest issues with the original game.

They could probably sell the tiles on their own.

Walls are gud to better block line of sight. Otherwise, you'd have to build a wall of tiles to keep everything from hitting the big guy.

Trees are cheap because stupid jungle expansion costs $150+ for a bunch of aquarium trees.

Eh, buy it or don't. Lots of erstwhile HS fans don't like unpainted, don't like lack of historical units (because controversies), etc. etc.

 ced1106 wrote:
Walls are gud to better block line of sight. Otherwise, you'd have to build a wall of tiles to keep everything from hitting the big guy.

Trees are cheap because stupid jungle expansion costs $150+ for a bunch of aquarium trees.

Eh, buy it or don't. Lots of erstwhile HS fans don't like unpainted, don't like lack of historical units (because controversies), etc. etc.

It isn't like historicals can't come back. This is a revival after all, so doing something all fresh and then expansions with historicals is perfectly reasonable.

 ced1106 wrote:
Walls are gud to better block line of sight. Otherwise, you'd have to build a wall of tiles to keep everything from hitting the big guy.

Trees are cheap because stupid jungle expansion costs $150+ for a bunch of aquarium trees.

Eh, buy it or don't. Lots of erstwhile HS fans don't like unpainted, don't like lack of historical units (because controversies), etc. etc.

Speaking as someone who usually *hates* kitchen sink fantasy, for whatever reason it was kind of endearing with the original Heroscape. Having Romans and Samurai duking it out against Marro (or whatever those swarm guys were called) was always fun.

Still going for it mind you, honestly the historical thing isn't that bad considering this is supposed to be fully backwards compatible. To me the much bigger issue is the price, even though it comes to under 4$ per model plus those sweet sweet tiles, 250$ is a big ask - even Games Workshop rarely goes that high.

Though yeah, if memory serves the Heroscape fan community really zeroed in on prepainted to be a core aspect of the game. Most of the fan rules they worked on, vetted, etc were based around prepainted model ranges as the idea was to just buy the models and immediately play the game.

Twenty days left and they haven’t reached 3k of the required 8k backers. Do crowdfunding campaigns usually rally big at the end?

 privateer4hire wrote:
Twenty days left and they haven’t reached 3k of the required 8k backers. Do crowdfunding campaigns usually rally big at the end?

Hard to say. This is an interesting case because they don't use a mainstream crowdfunding campaign so it could behave very differently. But for comparisons sake. CMON just did a kickstarter for another edition of Cthuthlu: Death may Die and I received an email that they hit all their stretch goals a few hours after the campaign opened.

There might not be enough demand for unpainted heroscape that the price they are asking.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Twenty days left and they haven’t reached 3k of the required 8k backers. Do crowdfunding campaigns usually rally big at the end?

I've only bought into the Heroquest Haslab campaign and I've followed a few others, but IIRC, the uptake is usually much stronger. Heroquest funded almost immediately and went on to a good strong showing.

Not a good sign, but it's not over yet

 privateer4hire wrote:
Twenty days left and they haven’t reached 3k of the required 8k backers. Do crowdfunding campaigns usually rally big at the end?

Yes*

*if they're already successful by the metric used at the start (funding goal typically). You can usually count on a successful campaign making about as much in the final 48 hours as it did in the first 48 hours as a general rule. Add salt as needed. YMMV.

I feel like this would have been wildly successful if they had used Kickstarter instead of their own exclusive platform. Kickstarter reaches a much wider audience.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I feel like this would have been wildly successful if they had used Kickstarter instead of their own exclusive platform. Kickstarter reaches a much wider audience.

Hasbro doesn't need or care about this project enough to be worth paying Kickstarter fees for it.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I feel like this would have been wildly successful if they had used Kickstarter instead of their own exclusive platform. Kickstarter reaches a much wider audience.

Hasbro doesn't need or care about this project enough to be worth paying Kickstarter fees for it.

I'm not sure whether or not they care. They did have to put a fairly good effort in as far as design and such so there is some investment already. They have a history of successful Haslab campaigns and probably just assumed this would be another. That may have been shortsighted, but we'll never know unless they relaunch on KS, which is unlikely

I'm not sure what an established company like Hasbro with an established self-crowdfunding mechanism has any real incentive to give 8% of a product's gross sales to a company as comparatively small as Kickstarter.

Care is probably the wrong word. They would like it to succeed, but if they are in no way dependent on its success. The people involved are obviously very passionate about it and plenty of care went into the design, but Hasbro isn't going to put more money into it if they can't get at least $2 million back.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I feel like this would have been wildly successful if they had used Kickstarter instead of their own exclusive platform. Kickstarter reaches a much wider audience.

Hasbro doesn't need or care about this project enough to be worth paying Kickstarter fees for it.

Yeah, that seems to be the case. Corporate greed is such that they don't just want some of the money, they want all of the money.
Not that it matters if this project succeeds or fails, Magic is what's keeping Hasbro in the black these days.

DnD and all the toys and games and stuff aren't exactly hurting. Magic is probably somewhat negligible really.

 LunarSol wrote:
DnD and all the toys and games and stuff aren't exactly hurting. Magic is probably somewhat negligible really.

Hasbro recently announced that Magic is becoming their first billion dollar brand. Wizards really is propping up the rest of the company.

fwiw, Before Hasbro realized D&D's brand, they were ready to jettison the line. Why did they buy WotC because of... Pokemon Which Nintendo later didn't renew with WotC. Which put D&D in trouble. (And when WotC was bought, the D&D electronic license was sold!)

Good news is that, yep, D&D *now* evidently isn't hurting. : https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/04/17/hasbro-doubles-down-on-dungeons-and-dragons/

300.00?


Hey, I have this load of the old school Heroscape.
Pretty much everything but the D and D stuff. I jumped in hard back in the day when this first came out.

PM me, and we can talk.

$350.00, and you can be the proud owner of a whole gakload of stuff, and I'll even go over to my local game shop and pick up a couple of extra dragons that I'd just seen in there, the other day. (There's around 5 or 600.00 of it, by the look of this box and the listed numbers on Fee Bay.)

This stuff's just taking up space, so $350 bucks you get the Head, The Tail, The whole Damn thing.

Game's a Gem, though. We had a lot of fun with it, back in the day. Unfortunately, I'm getting to the point where it's time to start trimming down some fat in my game rooms.

Grail Seeker wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Twenty days left and they haven’t reached 3k of the required 8k backers. Do crowdfunding campaigns usually rally big at the end?

Hard to say. This is an interesting case because they don't use a mainstream crowdfunding campaign so it could behave very differently. But for comparisons sake. CMON just did a kickstarter for another edition of Cthuthlu: Death may Die and I received an email that they hit all their stretch goals a few hours after the campaign opened.

There might not be enough demand for unpainted heroscape that the price they are asking.

Yikes, I was worried this wouldn't take off at this price... Just too steep to buy into!

I was kinda interested in Heroscape but the $788 Australian preorder price is insane for a game I have no experience with. Thats almost twice what Ive sunk into Mythic tier Heroquest and all its expansion rereleases.

> Not that it matters if this project succeeds or fails, Magic is what's keeping Hasbro in the black these days.

What I've noticed is that, if a company has multiple product lines, it keeps the ones that make money, and drops the ones that don't. Obviously, that means fans of the less popular lines are disappointed, but it also means that it's "better" to purchase a product line if it's the only one a company has. Conversely, once a company starts having the reputation of dropping product lines, customers will assume a DOA product, and this may become self-fulfilling. FFG was pretty well know to drop product lines, so when its RuneWhatever miniatures line came out (and didn't distinguish itself from the other miniature army games), reaction, including on Dakka, was one of "wait and see", eventually resulting in the game's cancellation.

Hasbro *has* licensed games out before, such as the Pit card game to Winning Moves. But obviously a card game has a lower cost than a miniatures game line. Too bad Hasbro didn't work something out with WizKids, a company that's released prepainted miniatures. Although their random miniatures model probably wouldn't be well-received by customers, and WK might not be interested in fixed packs of prepaints. Dunno.

For a snapshot of how profitable the Major segments of Hasbro (Q2 22):

Consumer Products (toys) made $734.2 million, with a profit of $3.1 million.

WoTC/Digital made $419.8 million, with a profit of $225.6 million.

Entertainment made $185.2 million, with a profit of $23.0 million

WoTC and WoTC digital are literally carrying Hasbro...

Damn... that's alot of card packs and PHBs.

Definitely not what I would have expected.

To Friday morning qb this, seems like they might have gotten more interest from lower tier options. Things like terrain only, ala carte faction bundles, a smaller core game as a starter, might have been more attractive. Yes, it’s more complicated logistics but 100% of a project not funding is zero dollars.

 privateer4hire wrote:
To Friday morning qb this, seems like they might have gotten more interest from lower tier options. Things like terrain only, ala carte faction bundles, a smaller core game as a starter, might have been more attractive. Yes, it’s more complicated logistics but 100% of a project not funding is zero dollars.

From a Crowdfunding perspective you are correct. However, I suspect that like Heroquest they may be looking at this to see what it's wider uptake might be post Kickstarter. If they're counting on later sales, they might not want the crowdfunding campaign to be too easy to accomplish.

Put another way eeking out enough $ via add-ons to barely get it to production might not be enough if 8000 Core-Set Backers is management's threshold indicator of overall demand.

True. They clearly have set a “why bother” level of funding to get it off the ground or not.

They win either way. And if it doesn’t launch they can get back to Star Wars and Transformers.

Updated colors!

https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/avalon-hill/heroscape-figures-color-study-update?sf172238351=1

Well, that was all they needed to clinch the remaining 5000 backers. Phew! They had us worried for awhile.

As much as I absolutely despise the name, shouldn't the figures we've seen in orange already be under Valkill or whatever that last gasp release was called?