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Cards-wise I will be very surprised if there aren't community-made unit summaries available pretty quickly following the game release. In fact someone had already done some to show a better way of displaying the rules than in GW's own war-comms article!

What are the cards for? Just quick reference?

I believe so.

And.. I'm checking out of the N&R thread and just going to post here from now on. Too much poisonous nastiness from one poster in particular who I think, thankfully, hasn't noticed this section of the forum or at least this thread so far. And life is too short

I can't imagine who you might be referring to.

I thought those photos were awesome by the way.

To be fair, nearly the entire N&R thread is dumping on the game (and any other small scale game someone has never played before but think they are the authority on, sounds like the internet)...

I've registered my interest with my FLGS for a copy of the base game. I am undecided on whether to go for a Legion or SA but I'd kinda like both

I was also undecided what to play when a little voice in my head said"play both, you know that you want to"

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
To be fair, nearly the entire N&R thread is dumping on the game (and any other small scale game someone has never played before but think they are the authority on, sounds like the internet)...

I've registered my interest with my FLGS for a copy of the base game. I am undecided on whether to go for a Legion or SA but I'd kinda like both

For sake of cash efficiency i would like to stick with my beloved blood angels fully but SA is so rare doubt I can find splitter...

How expensive titans were? In 3k could you field 1-2 warhound and some SA feasibly?

tneva82 wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
To be fair, nearly the entire N&R thread is dumping on the game (and any other small scale game someone has never played before but think they are the authority on, sounds like the internet)...

I've registered my interest with my FLGS for a copy of the base game. I am undecided on whether to go for a Legion or SA but I'd kinda like both

For sake of cash efficiency i would like to stick with my beloved blood angels fully but SA is so rare doubt I can find splitter...

How expensive titans were? In 3k could you field 1-2 warhound and some SA feasibly?

Warhounds are ~330 points, Reaver is ~415, Warbringer 525, Warlord 600, Warmaster 750. Allies are 30% of the points allocation but I am unsure if you can take both SA and Titans as allies in the same list (900 points @3k).

I think the only limit is the 30% allies total

the idea that any "cards" and a one & done issue is frankly ridiculous and they need to stop doing it as its going to harm adoption by people later in the day

even if they are just then a free to download pdf with a "go sort your own print solution" idea its better

Yeah I would like the pdf print your own version if nothing else. I think back at the heyday of Fantasy Flight Games: they were really good at getting pdfs of things downloadable (rules, reference sheets, etc)

have the pdf, can also sell the cards, and people will buy them as its buying convenience if they are done right at a sensible price.

heck have the codexes come with the card deck, and maybe even a dice pack

So I watched the W+ battle report and... hm

Still too crowded, still basically everything was resolved by melee, still everything mostly touched by the end of turn 1. Also, it appears buildings are god (unless you charge them with ogryns, apparently xD).

To be fair there weren't many tanks/artillery in the game and even one of the titans was rocking a close combat weapon.

Got to say though I'm hyped - granted this is the scale and type of wargame that got me into wargaming; but still there's a nostalgic feel seeing a game like this back in the flesh (er plastic) from GW and being played that I really hope transforms in a BIG wave of popularity boosting for this scale of game.

I probably need to constrain myself because I've a feeling mechanicus would be a very good army for me - loads of titans, mechs and such!

any game where things get an armour save, but you can bypass that in melee when most won't is going to end up dominated by melee - its going to always be the quickest way to kill stuff

I will be pre-ordering the box, in 1st & 2nd edition this was my main game, wish I still had it all.

boards can feel crowded or not, you can adjust the size of game, and the board to change that reasonably easily - I just like the idea that its possible to run armour without it being bumper to bumper. 8mm/25% scale offers that visual spectacle in a way even 15mm can struggle with

leopard wrote:
any game where things get an armour save, but you can bypass that in melee when most won't is going to end up dominated by melee - its going to always be the quickest way to kill stuff

I will be pre-ordering the box, in 1st & 2nd edition this was my main game, wish I still had it all.

boards can feel crowded or not, you can adjust the size of game, and the board to change that reasonably easily - I just like the idea that its possible to run armour without it being bumper to bumper. 8mm/25% scale offers that visual spectacle in a way even 15mm can struggle with

You can also run armour without requiring half a room to field the tanks; and a massive bank account/timesink to buy/build/paint a whole armoured force of tanks.

Plus you can field titans in games that aren't just two lines mashing against each other; which is fun but not AS fun as having actual room to move around in.

 Overread wrote:

leopard wrote:
any game where things get an armour save, but you can bypass that in melee when most won't is going to end up dominated by melee - its going to always be the quickest way to kill stuff

I will be pre-ordering the box, in 1st & 2nd edition this was my main game, wish I still had it all.

boards can feel crowded or not, you can adjust the size of game, and the board to change that reasonably easily - I just like the idea that its possible to run armour without it being bumper to bumper. 8mm/25% scale offers that visual spectacle in a way even 15mm can struggle with

You can also run armour without requiring half a room to field the tanks; and a massive bank account/timesink to buy/build/paint a whole armoured force of tanks.

Plus you can field titans in games that aren't just two lines mashing against each other; which is fun but not AS fun as having actual room to move around in.

for sure, one of the reasons in the early days I liked Space Marine more than 40k was the way hardly anything could hit a target right across the board, stuff had to move, it made moving matter

and the order system provided a penalty for moving, you fired after stuff that didn't, hence forcing your enemy to move could lead to an advantage

had some wonderful games where critical points were not immediately obvious initially, that small hill, that cluster of buildings, stuff that provided cover from enemy fire until it was occupied when it become a firebase and harder to approach

and the way you can actually carry a large army in a sensible sized box..

 Albertorius wrote:
So I watched the W+ battle report and... hm

Still too crowded, still basically everything was resolved by melee, still everything mostly touched by the end of turn 1. Also, it appears buildings are god (unless you charge them with ogryns, apparently xD).

I'm wondering how much of this is how the game is 'meant to be played' and how much is GW trying to sell the board pieces and building kits - which is fair enough, but it will be interesting how things turn out when the game is played by punters. I'm not sure I like the sound of everything mashing together in a scrum in the centre of the table, like a bunch of school kids playing football at lunchtime, but that might be a consequence of either unit density or the weapon ranges being quite short compared to previous editions.

Dunno about range... most units had a range of 30-45 cm in Epic 40k

 Pacific wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
So I watched the W+ battle report and... hm

Still too crowded, still basically everything was resolved by melee, still everything mostly touched by the end of turn 1. Also, it appears buildings are god (unless you charge them with ogryns, apparently xD).

I'm wondering how much of this is how the game is 'meant to be played' and how much is GW trying to sell the board pieces and building kits - which is fair enough, but it will be interesting how things turn out when the game is played by punters. I'm not sure I like the sound of everything mashing together in a scrum in the centre of the table, like a bunch of school kids playing football at lunchtime, but that might be a consequence of either unit density or the weapon ranges being quite short compared to previous editions.

I also watched the battle report and it looked way better than the one in White Dwarf.

It was 1100 points, and visually and tactically appealing.

Quite a lot of melee, but it makes some sense because there were quite a lot of HtH units, and lots of LoS blocking terrain. And it was not everything in the middle.

I liked what I saw. I think 1500 - 2000 points could be a very nice point range for pick up games.

Yeah I for one believe/hope a bigger and wider board, less points per playing area, and more tactically minded players, will mean space for manouvre. Not a fan of the push-everything-towards-tge-middle look and tactics GW promote in their hype material.

Weapon ranges are longer than EA30k so it should be possible to manouvre and fire and try to stay out of melee at least in part as long as the table is not too cramped.

Also non Urban boards will help shootier armies.

I also feel 1500-2000 and a 6x4 is going to be far better recommendation for good games than 3k/5x4. We'll see after a few games.

I'm pretty hyped. Loved epic:a but think these rules work and l prefer small model, big battles games.

To start think i'll go big box, infantry box, kratos box and rhino's to get blood angels. Warhounds to be painted legio solar and repaint loyalist titan legion in that scheme as well.

Maybe eventually expand sl if i can't swap them for more marines.

Now pure ba or make mix since one can mix legions...probably go for pure ba at least for now. Dark angels for second appeals though

Yeah, I'd like to test a couple games by myself at about 1500 points on a 6 by 4, see how that goes... the amount of special rules kind of worries me, but we'll see.

Problem is, most of my friends want to play xenos >_>

Get more open-minded friends

chaos0xomega wrote:
Get more open-minded friends

Or make xenos lists ^^. Or play any one of the other editions that do have xenos.

They won't mind playing if it's with my armies, but they don't want to build and paint marines nor auxilia.

Hmm. Launch box marines, another inf box, 10 rhinos, 4 kratos. Based on wd br i come up with about 900 and spare.

Even 2k won't be what i'll be playing in a hurry then. Especially as I don't want to spam infantry and kratos. Will wait dreadnoughts etc.

Some 1200 pts taster games might be possible.

Be interested in seeing what's on the core book lists... and more importantly, what's not. And what will be added in the supplement (we know drop pods and speeders IIRC) and what will be left for the next one.

That is really great to read SU-152 about the battle report.

 Albertorius wrote:
Yeah, I'd like to test a couple games by myself at about 1500 points on a 6 by 4, see how that goes... the amount of special rules kind of worries me, but we'll see.

Problem is, most of my friends want to play xenos >_>

There is a thread on Bolter & Chainsword about adapting rules for Xenos and I am sure the community will do something. Depending on how close the.game is to SM 2nd it might be straightforward to port over some classic Ork rules for example, although my concern would be how simple SM rules were (usually a line of stats) vs. some of those for Legions (some tanks had stats covering an entire page).
Imagining a Battlewagon stat page: 'wagon with a little dakka', then 'wagon with lots of dakka', 'go fasta wagon with lots of extra dakka'

 Pacific wrote:

'wagon with a little dakka', then 'wagon with lots of dakka', 'go fasta wagon with lots of extra dakka'

That sounds perfectly orky to me

I'm quite whelmed after watching Ash's "How to play" video. Seems too swingy for my liking, and infantry moving faster than the range of their guns feels dumb.

Now I'm going to get the models for sure, but will probably be playing some other rules with them. Like 2nd ed Space Marine (with all expansions) or NetEpic