This will be the thread for Wargames Atlantic New releases, News, and discussion for 2024.
We have plenty of exciting releases upcoming, however we'd like to kick discussion off about the two newest hard plastic sets in our range. Both have begun to ship to retailers and hobbyists all over the world.
We are also running two painting contests concurrently on the legion forums. There is a contest for plastics products and one for Digital products. If you enter, you have a chance to win a gift card! Check out all the details and enter at the link below:
Dark Age shields are nice, but of you were to make a similar box of heater shields and other period-appropriate shields, I would definitely be all over that.
Shadow Walker wrote: Werewolves hard plastics? How soon, how many per box/sprue? Any info about them, please
No news on them yet they are being resculpted based on the most recent feedback and to work for plastic. They will most likely be on a 1/2 frame (like the halflings) with several of those in a box but until sculpting is final, checked over by the engineering team, and laid out we won't know the specifics. But they are in the works.
With luck, a 28mm version of my favourite Airfix 1/32 plastic soldier sets, the British Infantry Support Group in all of its Vicker HMG, mortar and bazooka wielding glory.
@WGA - with GW Crypt Ghouls staying the same ugly sculpts, maybe you could fill that niche with some nice cannibals who like the pleasant atmosphere of the graveyard?
3d printed Death Fields Highlander kitted out with a plastic Bulldogs noggin and GW Cadian current weapons and old version webbing.
I'm looking forward to the upcoming digital Death Fields Zulus and Finns (hopefully imagined as future tech cold weather sharpshooters).?
What's next? Potentially, some of the stl Royal Navy Brigade printed out and tooled up with Cannon Fodder lasrifle arms for starship crew. I'll investigate printing those out at 105% or 110% to make them more 'heroic' 28mm.
Great shields! Would love to see more plastic shields, heater shields, pavise, generic fantasy shields etc.
Dolnikan wrote: Dark Age shields are nice, but of you were to make a similar box of heater shields and other period-appropriate shields, I would definitely be all over that.
It is surprisingly difficult to find plastic shields sold separately. I often struggle to find any and resort to buying whole boxes of minis simply to get the shields.
I remain baffled by the decision to produce 21 apparently identical shields on a sprue, rather than 21 slightly different designs. Although most (possibly all) European shields of the era were round with central handle protected by a boss, there was a lot of variety in size (from just over a foot to over three feet across), boss shape (although the round dome was most common, some were more or less pointed, and many had a 'button' at the apex, while some from the early migration period are actually spiked), rim (most were unrimmed, but many had a metal or leather rim, or metal binding clips holding the leather facing in place), facing (usually linen or leather, but some may have had uncovered wood), backing (bare wood with a single metal strip holding the wooden planks in place may have been common, but some shields seem to have been made of plywood with no strips, while others had wooden 'ledges' holding them together), and flatness (most were totally flat, but many were convex). Many shields were decorated with metal studs, discs, bands, strips, and 'lozenges' on the face, and some seem to have had large leather decorations, including spirals, crosses, and possibly figurative designs.
We can have classical skeletons with chariots, but no historical Persian Chariots for your Persian range. <sigh>
Maybe a Digital file for a Persian chariot? Use your digital horse file, your digital Persian file for crew, and these digital chariot files? Throw them together and now we have a digital Persian chariot?
Easy E wrote: We can have classical skeletons with chariots, but no historical Persian Chariots for your Persian range. <sigh>
Maybe a Digital file for a Persian chariot? Use your digital horse file, your digital Persian file for crew, and these digital chariot files? Throw them together and now we have a digital Persian chariot?
Well, You could buy a sprue of the Wargames Atlantic horses, a sprue of Persians and then a sprue of the chariots (when they reach the sprue vendors) and cobble a Persian Chariot... It may not be 100% accurate, but Its now (or soon will be) an option.
Edit: Did the old Wargames factory chariots ever end up with someone else? Or the Numidians? The Numidians would be great to absorb left over Wargames Atlantic bits... as the bodies were fine, just the heads/arms and weapons were bad.
Easy E wrote: We can have classical skeletons with chariots, but no historical Persian Chariots for your Persian range. <sigh>
Maybe a Digital file for a Persian chariot? Use your digital horse file, your digital Persian file for crew, and these digital chariot files? Throw them together and now we have a digital Persian chariot?
Well, You could buy a sprue of the Wargames Atlantic horses, a sprue of Persians and then a sprue of the chariots (when they reach the sprue vendors) and cobble a Persian Chariot... It may not be 100% accurate, but Its now (or soon will be) an option.
Edit: Did the old Wargames factory chariots ever end up with someone else? Or the Numidians? The Numidians would be great to absorb left over Wargames Atlantic bits... as the bodies were fine, just the heads/arms and weapons were bad.
I try not to post in here for various reasons. However:
1. Sprue vendors have already started adding the sprues a-la-carte for preorder.
2. Presumably warlord has the mold and or usage of the numidian sprue and decided not to bring them back. I agree with you the basic tunic look of the bodies would be useful.
This might be superseded by the Roman civilian sprue that wargames Atlantic did recently for a skirmish game (whenever they come out regularly)
Oh yeah, i forgot about the roman civilians. Will look for those when released. They have males and females. Hopefully you are able to offer those sprues too.
I remain baffled by the decision to produce 21 apparently identical shields on a sprue, rather than 21 slightly different designs. Although most (possibly all) European shields of the era were round with central handle protected by a boss, there was a lot of variety in size (from just over a foot to over three feet across), boss shape (although the round dome was most common, some were more or less pointed, and many had a 'button' at the apex, while some from the early migration period are actually spiked), rim (most were unrimmed, but many had a metal or leather rim, or metal binding clips holding the leather facing in place), facing (usually linen or leather, but some may have had uncovered wood), backing (bare wood with a single metal strip holding the wooden planks in place may have been common, but some shields seem to have been made of plywood with no strips, while others had wooden 'ledges' holding them together), and flatness (most were totally flat, but many were convex). Many shields were decorated with metal studs, discs, bands, strips, and 'lozenges' on the face, and some seem to have had large leather decorations, including spirals, crosses, and possibly figurative designs.
I generally agree. I don't see any reason that dark age fighters would all have the exact same shield.
Ideally a set like this would have something like 3 each of 7 different design per sprue. With a mix like that, I'd buy it just to have around.
As is, I just don't see buying it unless I need a ton of identical shields.
I remain baffled by the decision to produce 21 apparently identical shields on a sprue, rather than 21 slightly different designs. Although most (possibly all) European shields of the era were round with central handle protected by a boss, there was a lot of variety in size (from just over a foot to over three feet across), boss shape (although the round dome was most common, some were more or less pointed, and many had a 'button' at the apex, while some from the early migration period are actually spiked), rim (most were unrimmed, but many had a metal or leather rim, or metal binding clips holding the leather facing in place), facing (usually linen or leather, but some may have had uncovered wood), backing (bare wood with a single metal strip holding the wooden planks in place may have been common, but some shields seem to have been made of plywood with no strips, while others had wooden 'ledges' holding them together), and flatness (most were totally flat, but many were convex). Many shields were decorated with metal studs, discs, bands, strips, and 'lozenges' on the face, and some seem to have had large leather decorations, including spirals, crosses, and possibly figurative designs.
I had the same feeling, shields are nice, but I don't need a box or even a sprue of identical ones.
The shields being a single design seems in line with the thought that all gas mask heads should be the same design, which is something that was done for several kits like grognards and a significant part of the death fields range.
We know that this is completely intentional given the amount of times people asked about why there is only one gas mask head on the preview and the answer from WGA was that they were all the same design.
Other companies tend to make variants with damage or decoration added, so the base design doesn't get too repetitive, but unfortunately that is not the case here.
The damned seem to bring a few variants in terms of head/helmets with the face covered, but I am guessing we will still see a lot of repetition.
Something like the old 8 shield sprue from the GW marauders would be better in my opinion, the base shield is still all the same design, but each one has different decorations or damage added and while using one of those designs several times might become repetitive after some time, it is still easier to make those 3d bits different with paint rather than paint or place decals on dozens of shields that all look the same.
If they wanted to keep the base shields flat and simple they could have added those decoration bits around the sprue, swapping some shields for those bits.
lord_blackfang wrote: The Aztecs are the biggest victim here with even their faces repeating.
With the Aztecs its historically accurate though, as all Aztecs were clones created by ancient Alien astronauts. Did they really have only one face? Ancient alien theorists say... maybe!
While a bit of shield variety wouldn't have gone amiss, however
given the number of times i see folk looking for multiple copies of the shield, head, etc for their army projects i could see there being an equal number of complaints if we did get a sprue of 8 (even slightly) different designs
and depending on how different they were it could make sculpting of the rest of the kit harder if all of them had to be checked against a range of standard poses (and we have seen issues with arm/weapon pairings not working right with some of the WGA kits even when they have presumably been checked so less complications are certainly good in this regard)
given the number of times i see folk looking for multiple copies of the shield, head, etc for their army projects i could see there being an equal number of complaints if we did get a sprue of 8 (even slightly) different designs
Ding ding! Winner, winner chicken dinner!
The clue is in our company name "Wargames" - i.e. armies - not conversion bits for diorama pieces although folks are very welcome to do that too!
Wargames Atlantic wrote: The clue is in our company name "Wargames" - i.e. armies - not conversion bits for diorama pieces although folks are very welcome to do that too!
Yeah, don't knock us kitbashers. If your kits were only good for building massive armies of similar-looking guys, I wouldn't have bought so many of them. When I get my Damned KS boxes, it's going to be Chaos kitbashapalooza.
Talking Banana wrote: When I get my Damned KS boxes, it's going to be Chaos kitbashapalooza.
If they keep with the original shipping date from the crowdfunding page it should start shipping in about 4 months (the date was May 2024), so not that long.
Oh yeah! It's the very first glimpse of the very first Damned frame to come off the machines in the factory! I honestly could not be more excited than I am right now! It's alive, ALIVE!
Let's just get to it shall we?!
You will have to forgive the terrible lighting. This photo was taken on the shop floor where we don't keep any fancy photography equipment for obvious reasons. As soon as I have the frame in hand I'll take some batter shots for you and get another update out.
And, if you keep an eye out for the next update I'm going to do something special for one lucky backer when the first samples do arrive at my desk...
looks like things are progressing well for the Damned
Just real shame about the masked heads being 6 identical copies, didn't we just talk about this yesterday?
WGF is convinced that those of us making armies want all our figures headed/shielded identically...?
Half joking.
Still, the sprue looks great and I'm very much looking forward to this. Nice variety of non-extreme poses, the space AK's look good and a solid selection of GW-compatible special weapons. This bodes well for the Ogres...
Identical Gas Mask faces isn't a big deal to me really as it sort of makes sense. My IG army is mostly identical Pig Iron Productions Gas Mask heads.
The sprue itself looks good but it looks like a lot of the helmeted and unscarred heads have been dropped, unless they are some other sprue? which is a pity as they were the heads that interested me most.
Is the skeleton on the (viewers') left a normal one and the one on the right a giant? If so, that's pretty cool, would not object to a skeleton giant. I guess there's a market for non-terrible Bone Giant substitutes for TOW now.
Or is it two views of the same (or similar) skeleton, one in close up? If so, what's different to normal WA skeletons? Is it even more chunky? Skeleton dwarf or halfling?
Les Grognards cavalry rider and armoured horse head, given a Bulldogs cap head and mounted on a GW Pistoliers horse to give me Terrax Guard Rough Riders. These will be added to my small Terrax Guard force kitbashed with Les Grognards infantry and Bulldogs heads.
Why the GW horse? For me, the WGA horses are a wee bit small (in other words, realistically proportioned for historical kits) to fit in with my other 'heroic' 28mm cavalry. Purely a personal view.
I am hoping though that the mounts for The Damned cavalry are more 'heroic' scale.
Make the Conquistador Cavalry a Reality in Hard Plastic!
We have a winner! Conquistador Cavalry has moved out of voting and is now up for pre-production order!
This set beat out the other 11 with an impressive 1872 votes on Vox Populi. We now have to hit our pre-production goal of $6,000 to send it to tooling!
RIDE THEM DOWN!
The Spanish used the shock factor of horses and mounted men to great effect in their conquest of the New World. In one instance, Cortez was able to route an entire Aztec army by leading a charge of five horsemen agains the Aztec command. These models are also suitable for conflicts in Europe in the late 15th and early 16th centuries.
This hard plastic box set will allow you to build armored and unarmored riders and horses with a wealth of head and weapon options. We are also hoping to add arquebusier options. And a doggie if he fits!
Final part inclusions will depend on frame layout once it is designed but this set will have 12 full cavalry models.
Well, I have been looking forward to these... 12 to a box... the Damned only get 9 cavalry to a box. .
EDIT: Hope the doggo stays on it... And I do hope that pistols make it too, even if not historically accurate.
Just real shame about the masked heads being 6 identical copies, didn't we just talk about this yesterday?
If they don't show up on another Damned sprue, hopefully helmeted heads will show up as an STL from someone. If I was WGA, I would keep a list of these small requests and try to put out an STL on their digital store about the time most of the sprues reach the customers heads.
I'm hoping the doggo stays too, and I hope for firearms but I don't see any on the parts breakdown. Surely we don't need 18 different lance poses and 12 different sword poses on a sprue that will presumably have 4 bodies?
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm hoping the doggo stays too, and I hope for firearms but I don't see any on the parts breakdown. Surely we don't need 18 different lance poses and 12 different sword poses on a sprue that will presumably have 4 bodies?
I was thinking that too... but that picture is pretty old. It looks like the same teaser they showed 2 years ago... so hopefully some things have been worked on in those 2 years... It also says 12 riders to a box, but shows 5 bodies... *SHRUG* so no idea.
Edit: Unless it really is 5 bodies to a sprue since the blurb says you can make armored or unarmored riders... so maybe 5 riders bodies per sprue (2 armored, 2 unarmored and 1 command?) with 3 sprues to a box... and 12 horses... ? No idea... but 20 rider bodies for 12 cavalry kind of fits in with the extra stuff in the Skeletal cavalry design philosophy.
New sneak peek. Obviously sci-fi, seems to be attached to a 'long' body a la ED-209, Space Crusade Dread, or Deredeo. Could be a 'mech' but looks more 'infantry robot' scale to me.
Perfect Organism wrote: New sneak peek. Obviously sci-fi, seems to be attached to a 'long' body [i]a la[/] ED-209, Space Crusade Dread, or Deredeo. Could be a 'mech' but looks more 'infantry robot' scale to me.
There was a poll today asking about must have big stompy robot weapons i'd agree that's a Dreadnaught equivalent (laser) arm
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Hopefully there will be enough of the fully enclosed helms for everyone.
It looks like 7 torsos to a sprue... If all of those make it. They said the box will be able to make 12 cavalry guys... So I am not sure if these updated parts represent final stuff or not... only 3 armored horse heads... and it is looking like 2 of these sprues to a box? But 2 doggos is exciting... But only 1 fully enclosed head... and the comments had a ton of people commenting that pistols SHOULD NOT be on the sprue... :( So I guess they listened and decided against them.
I am incredibly excited about the Quar and have ordered the starter set box. Hopefully the Quar do well and WGA make faction specific boxes in the future.
Shadow Walker wrote: @WGA - have you thought about doing some generic terrain for historicals/fantasy? Especially buildings and ruins?
Buildings and terrain stuff, like vehicles, tend to be lower sellers but require more frames to build than a typical infantry set. Given it's $x to make a 151mm x 223mm frame no matter what is really in that space we try to be responsible and lean toward filling the space with stuff that will sell more. That said, as we ramp up and make more sets I'm sure we'll get to terrain stuff at some point!
Shadow Walker wrote: @WGA - have you thought about doing some generic terrain for historicals/fantasy? Especially buildings and ruins?
Buildings and terrain stuff, like vehicles, tend to be lower sellers but require more frames to build than a typical infantry set. Given it's $x to make a 151mm x 223mm frame no matter what is really in that space we try to be responsible and lean toward filling the space with stuff that will sell more. That said, as we ramp up and make more sets I'm sure we'll get to terrain stuff at some point!
Shadow Walker wrote: @WGA - have you thought about doing some generic terrain for historicals/fantasy? Especially buildings and ruins?
Buildings and terrain stuff, like vehicles, tend to be lower sellers but require more frames to build than a typical infantry set. Given it's $x to make a 151mm x 223mm frame no matter what is really in that space we try to be responsible and lean toward filling the space with stuff that will sell more. That said, as we ramp up and make more sets I'm sure we'll get to terrain stuff at some point!
Your honesty is genuinely refreshing. I mean, I had an idea that would be the case but it's nice to hear it out loud.
I really love your products and I'm glad you're growing.
Shadow Walker wrote: @WGA - have you thought about doing some generic terrain for historicals/fantasy? Especially buildings and ruins?
Buildings and terrain stuff, like vehicles, tend to be lower sellers but require more frames to build than a typical infantry set. Given it's $x to make a 151mm x 223mm frame no matter what is really in that space we try to be responsible and lean toward filling the space with stuff that will sell more. That said, as we ramp up and make more sets I'm sure we'll get to terrain stuff at some point!
Your honesty is genuinely refreshing. I mean, I had an idea that would be the case but it's nice to hear it out loud.
I really love your products and I'm glad you're growing.
Thanks we're trying! The goal here is to continue to increase the number of new plastic set releases each month. The sales team is doing a fantastic job getting us into more stores which in turn helps to pay for more plastic sets so as long as that all continues we'll keep making as many as we can and maybe someday we'll have the luxury of taking some risks on things like buildings and even more obscure plastic sets (yeah, I know we're already doing some pretty obscure stuff!)
Perfect Organism wrote: New sneak peek. Obviously sci-fi, seems to be attached to a 'long' body a la ED-209, Space Crusade Dread, or Deredeo. Could be a 'mech' but looks more 'infantry robot' scale to me.
Recognised the gun arm on this mech from the teaser - the pilot also resembles the Wargame Atlantic not-Colonial Marines so I am pretty confident this is what was being hinted at
Racerguy180 wrote: Is everything still on track for the damned? I can't wait for the pile of sprues coming my way........
Getting there - Command frame is in tooling now and working on the others. It's a mad dash!
Just to give you gang an idea of what's coming.
The Quar game is out next - on pre-order now.
WW1 Russians will be on pre-order soon and out later this month also
Then it's Afghan Cavalry and 25mm textured 3mm x 25mm bevel bases
After that it's the BEF set (which just completed tooling)
Then either 3 or 4 secret sets are in the pipeline
Then it will most likely be the Conquistador Cavalry as long as the back and forth with part changes/additions/drops all goes well.
Then all The Damned
After that it's a bit more loose but Werewolves, Spanish Guerrillas, Plains Indians, and some more Death Fields are all in the works.
Perfect Organism wrote: New sneak peek. Obviously sci-fi, seems to be attached to a 'long' body a la ED-209, Space Crusade Dread, or Deredeo. Could be a 'mech' but looks more 'infantry robot' scale to me.
Recognised the gun arm on this mech from the teaser - the pilot also resembles the Wargame Atlantic not-Colonial Marines so I am pretty confident this is what was being hinted at
Perfect Organism wrote: New sneak peek. Obviously sci-fi, seems to be attached to a 'long' body a la ED-209, Space Crusade Dread, or Deredeo. Could be a 'mech' but looks more 'infantry robot' scale to me.
Recognised the gun arm on this mech from the teaser - the pilot also resembles the Wargame Atlantic not-Colonial Marines so I am pretty confident this is what was being hinted at
That thing looks unexpectedly large and specific. It looks like it is larger and more heavily armed than the new 30k heavy sentinel. I would have thought that they would try a more modest and generic kit for their second (after the damned truck) Death-Fields vehicle.
Except for the slightly Hobbitey jawline, it's a pretty good figure.
If I were looking at a big elf purchase, that jaw/chin might have me looking elsewhere though. It's a sculpting feature that might actually look even worse than the render after a wash, dip or slapchop.
Eilif wrote: Except for the slightly Hobbitey jawline, it's a pretty good figure.
If I were looking at a big elf purchase, that jaw/chin might have me looking elsewhere though. It's a sculpting feature that might actually look even worse than the render after a wash, dip or slapchop.
Yes, the weird haggard face on Elves would be a hard pass from me. I hope they are listening.
Eilif wrote: Except for the slightly Hobbitey jawline, it's a pretty good figure.
If I were looking at a big elf purchase, that jaw/chin might have me looking elsewhere though. It's a sculpting feature that might actually look even worse than the render after a wash, dip or slapchop.
Yes, the weird haggard face on Elves would be a hard pass from me. I hope they are listening.
Agreed. Give that face walrus whiskers and he'd do as Colonel Blimp (or any other middle aged British Royal Army officer of field grade or above). I have no problem using said head for my Victorian SF collection, but it has no place in my high fantasy Elven army.
"Gad, Sir! Lord Beatty is right! We must build a bigger navy than the enemy will build when he hears we are building a bigger navy than he's building."
Also for those keeping track - the game will be out very soon and the Russians are all in the US warehouse and en route to the UK and Australian ones now.
Afghan Cavalry and the new textured bases are getting boxed up.
Seeing as a fair few of the sets are, for example, Ottaman Heavy Infantry with puddle bases and Ottaman Heavy Infantry standard, the team at Only Games may soon get an indication as to whether puddle or non-puddle is the favourite.
Is there any more Iron Core / Eisenkern stuff under the WGA banner on the horizon? I'm sure I heard that the Valkir were happening and I need some helmets from that kit to finish a project of mine
I would have rather had goats but the pony looks good.
Rooster assault force could be great or at least a general/hero.
Old Westphalia goat Knights are my favorite halfling cavalry... for Halflings that look like a real fighting force and not just lumpy joke fighters. Not that that is bad... but I liked the seriousness of them. Now a rooster cav would be cool too. Especially if they are terror chickens...
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lord_blackfang wrote: Is that halfling cav? Yea would have preferred a more outlandish mount, but at least mantic makes them on dogs!
I was building a halfling force with WA halflings and was excited for Mantics... but they dont match up scale wise together. Not that Mantic's scale was bad, just i preferred the look of WA so couldnt get the Mantic ones to fit.
I like that there is a kettle hat with brim and bevor. Sculptors usually create nothing but great helms, or early medieval pot helms. Unfortunately, I've no need of Halfling cavalry.
Anything besides compatability with their own Halfling infantry would seem strange to me; it's not like there is a highly popular alternative range they try to fit with, and given the infantry sprue's limitations, having some interchangeable bits for kitbashing would be beneficial for both sets.
Should have checked here sooner; ordered the not-particularly-cheap GWLotR Hobbits on ponies just yesteday for use in my WGA Halfling army (planned to be converted with the fairly slight Perry Medieval bits), but at least I'll hold off on buying more of those while awaiting a release of these little fellas.
I was building a halfling force with WA halflings and was excited for Mantics... but they dont match up scale wise together. Not that Mantic's scale was bad, just i preferred the look of WA so couldnt get the Mantic ones to fit.
Going to disagree only to say that Mantic's size for halflings is definitely bad. Completely incompatible with any other range for the simple reason that they are far too big. They really are just chubby slightly-shorter-than-normal humans.
I was building a halfling force with WA halflings and was excited for Mantics... but they dont match up scale wise together. Not that Mantic's scale was bad, just i preferred the look of WA so couldnt get the Mantic ones to fit.
Going to disagree only to say that Mantic's size for halflings is definitely bad. Completely incompatible with any other range for the simple reason that they are far too big. They really are just chubby slightly-shorter-than-normal humans.
I dont own any of the Mantic Halflings so didnt want to say anything negative without having seen them in person. But from stuff I have seen on the internet I agree that they are not for me. I do like the look of the dog cavalry but the size issue is too much to ignore for me.
I happen to really enjoy the scale of WGA's halflings and look forward to see what else they will release for them:
For my needs, the size is perfect, since I have mix of 25mm, 28mm, and 30mm. I have a hard enough time working with GW dwarfs that are the size of some of my human models.
KidCthulhu wrote: I happen to really enjoy the scale of WGA's halflings and look forward to see what else they will release for them:
For my needs, the size is perfect, since I have mix of 25mm, 28mm, and 30mm. I have a hard enough time working with GW dwarfs that are the size of some of my human models.
I agree. They match up with Reaper, Midlam and the few old Westphalia ones I have. I actually dont like them with the lotr ones as the Lotr ones have tiny heads. The WA haflings are perfect size for my stuff. I actually just assembled 8 halflings today... found a spare sprue and some bits and was in a halfling mood.
So, the Halfling cav still has a way to go though... :(
@Smokestack-I'm pretty sure that's a Mantic one; the females might be smaller than the males but it's hard to see in regiment photos.
I like how the WGA ones scale with my Oldhammer halflings. They're not the same size, but the difference is small enough to write it off as population diversity.
Tolkien based lore has 3 different groups of Halflings with one being kown for wearing shoes and they are also all of different size
like the WGA and Mantic size difference would be as in one of the older artworks for Harfoots and Fallohides
KidCthulhu wrote: @Smokestack-I'm pretty sure that's a Mantic one; the females might be smaller than the males but it's hard to see in regiment photos.
I like how the WGA ones scale with my Oldhammer halflings. They're not the same size, but the difference is small enough to write it off as population diversity.
Those all look good together. My general rule is if the heads and weapons look around the same size then I am ok with some minor height differences.
Thanks. I havent heard good things about Only Games service. But also ordering through them you get one of each part. So Only one of the helmets. I could... buy the STL and then get Impact to custom print... meh... maybe.
Its on their Pax Votatum thing... so has the possibility of becoming plastic... Its at around 900 votes last time i checked. Honestly I would love another kickstarter like the Damned one... for a full halfling army... Cavalry, Artillery, Hand gunners, great swords, Command... and a seperate heroes box for making wizards and what not... A big warwagon would be cool too.
March 8, 2024 Wargames Atlantic
Conquistador Cavalry Update!
As soon as the Conquistador Cavalry set met it's $6000 goal in Vox Populi we started to do the final refinements, part additions, and organization of the files to get it ready for a final layout.
Many of you called to add pistol arms and more full helms to the set. Rob has given some options for both matchlock and wheel-lock pistols here. [ ]
Any parts that don't make it into the final plastic set will be available as digital add-ons once the set is released.[ ]
really please it looks like at least some handguns should make it onto the sprue
Thanks. I havent heard good things about Only Games service. But also ordering through them you get one of each part. So Only one of the helmets. I could... buy the STL and then get Impact to custom print... meh... maybe.
Thats not technically true. The only-games listing comes with mutliple of the helmeted head, for example. Generally though, you are correct.
March 8, 2024 Wargames Atlantic
Conquistador Cavalry Update!
As soon as the Conquistador Cavalry set met it's $6000 goal in Vox Populi we started to do the final refinements, part additions, and organization of the files to get it ready for a final layout.
Many of you called to add pistol arms and more full helms to the set. Rob has given some options for both matchlock and wheel-lock pistols here. [ ]
Any parts that don't make it into the final plastic set will be available as digital add-ons once the set is released.[ ]
really please it looks like at least some handguns should make it onto the sprue
There are handguns in the conquistador infantry set, and the joinery is such that you should be able to mix and match / convert.
Today we are taking a quick look at the final layout of The Damned Command frame.
We've had to make some really tough decisions over the parts that made it onto this sprue. There has been a lot of back and forth between the design team and the engineering team to ensure we put together the most comprehensive and versatile command sprue possible!
We've managed to include three human sized male bodies, a brute sized body and a female body plus all of the accessories needed to kit those models out!
Let us know your thoughts below!
I can also confirm that all parts that don't make it onto any of the final sprues will be made available for free too all backers as STL's!
Today we are taking a quick look at the final layout of The Damned Command frame.
We've had to make some really tough decisions over the parts that made it onto this sprue. There has been a lot of back and forth between the design team and the engineering team to ensure we put together the most comprehensive and versatile command sprue possible!
We've managed to include three human sized male bodies, a brute sized body and a female body plus all of the accessories needed to kit those models out!
Let us know your thoughts below!
I can also confirm that all parts that don't make it onto any of the final sprues will be made available for free too all backers as STL's!
Why are we talking about missing bits, again?
Look at how sparse this sprue is, much like GW used to make 10-15 years ago. Why not pack it with bits like GW is doing now? WGA should be trying to at least get close to its main competitor, not release substandard product missing a lot of what was promised when half of the sprue is empty. Yes, I get they can't match GW specializing slicing/packing tool but it would be trivial to fit at least dozen+ bits more here
Say, top right, you could put 4 different ogre heads there if the comically dumb horizontal left head didn't take all the space and was vertical, like the right one. Space right below, move horizontal comm backpack to the right and make it vertical, boom, space for 5 extra arms instead of current 2. 6A space, swap big and small torso, presto, room for 4-5 bits instead of just one arm. 4A space could be trivially condensed to half its size. Etc, etc, are WGA molding machines so bad compared to GW ones they can't do it or something else technical or is it just unwillingness to put in some extra work?
It would be great if they could fit more on there, but it's hardly trivial (and in at least some plastics firms the 'cutters' are more in demand and more highly paid than the sculptors)
Their parts density has gone up from their first kits, and since they moved they're working with a new lot of engineers who may need to learn some lessons again. I hope they can carry on improving. Remember if they get the placement wrong the mould won't fill correctly and you're left with a sprue with miscast or missing parts and have to start again from scratch [Edit or if you can rescue it it can involve adding extra sprue gates with connection points in unfavourable places]
GW is large enough (and sells enough) to afford a higher failure rate in addition to having years more experience
for example look at a recent Renedra sprue (Ex-GW team who tool their old 3-up based tech when GW went digital) who have a ton of experience and still regularly produce stuff that's nowhere near as packed as a GW sprue
that said i'd certainly love it if WGA could fit more on the sprues, but i'm certain they would if they could, after all the more they can fit on the better value the kit looks and the better it will sell
Today we are taking a quick look at the final layout of The Damned Command frame.
We've had to make some really tough decisions over the parts that made it onto this sprue. There has been a lot of back and forth between the design team and the engineering team to ensure we put together the most comprehensive and versatile command sprue possible!
We've managed to include three human sized male bodies, a brute sized body and a female body plus all of the accessories needed to kit those models out!
Let us know your thoughts below!
I can also confirm that all parts that don't make it onto any of the final sprues will be made available for free too all backers as STL's!
Why are we talking about missing bits, again?
Look at how sparse this sprue is, much like GW used to make 10-15 years ago. Why not pack it with bits like GW is doing now? WGA should be trying to at least get close to its main competitor, not release substandard product missing a lot of what was promised when half of the sprue is empty. Yes, I get they can't match GW specializing slicing/packing tool but it would be trivial to fit at least dozen+ bits more here
Say, top right, you could put 4 different ogre heads there if the comically dumb horizontal left head didn't take all the space and was vertical, like the right one. Space right below, move horizontal comm backpack to the right and make it vertical, boom, space for 5 extra arms instead of current 2. 6A space, swap big and small torso, presto, room for 4-5 bits instead of just one arm. 4A space could be trivially condensed to half its size. Etc, etc, are WGA molding machines so bad compared to GW ones they can't do it or something else technical or is it just unwillingness to put in some extra work?
Hi Ibris - I usually bite my tongue when I see posts like this but I think this is a good time to educate folks a little on how tooling works, why we do it the way we do, and why most plastic injection engineers laugh at the GW frames. First - here's an apples-to-apples comparison of the new Damned Infantry frame and the Imperial Guard frame from GW:
As you can see - our frame is slightly larger, but has many more parts than the GW one (even if you account for theirs being increased by the same %)
But what's somewhat more interesting is that their smaller frame weighs more than our larger one with more parts. And the reason is bad engineering.
Now I know I'm swimming against the current here because calling out GW is like calling out Coke or McDonalds or Mercedes - brands that are so locked into the zetigeist of our culture that they can do no wrong in the eyes of their fans...but the reality is that the way GW tools their frames is...not good.
You'll notice we use round runners to carry the plastic through the tool. GW has those half hexagon things that are much larger. The reason they're larger is because the shape doesn't work well for plastic flow. For some reason they have stuck with it - but they have to design around that runner shape to make their parts fill. That's why they have two injection points on the frame - they have to really force that plastic through the frame from two points whereas we can just use one and get a perfect fill.
They also have some oddness in their gates (the piece that touches the part that comes off the runners). You'll notice they have some quite large reservoirs in the gates. This too is to help the parts fill better because their oddly shaped runners aren't working well.
The end result is that there is way more plastic in the runners on the frame than there are actual parts. Those frames APPEAR to have more parts but that's because a lot of the white space is taken up by the huge honking runners twisting all over the place. No manufacturer can leave less than about 5mm of space around a part (in order to keep the integrity of the metal mold face) and because these types of parts are so organic they sometimes need more "white space" around them than they would if they were all uniform. There is also the consideration of balancing the mold whereby you need to make sure that the plastic is flowing relatively at the same rate throughout the frame and filling up all those parts even if one is a thin spear and another is a giant ogre body part. It's very hard to do. Anyone doing this kind of tooling is working at the top of the game in injection molding.
GW makes great models, they have great detail, but the way they make their frames is just not up to industry standards. They make it work - but it also takes them a lot to achieve a final tool. Ever notice those little dots in the corner of one of the frames? That shows how many times the tool had to come off the test press to fix something and make it work better. This particular one has 10 dots. We usually have our frames working after the second try - and a lot of times our guys nail it on the first test shots.
Do we think we're better than GW - no of course not. We're the size of their company toilet paper budget probably. Do we think our tooling is better? Yes 100%. Will we continue to get better. Also yes. We're five years in it will be really interesting to see what we look like in another 5. Now, don't get me started about GW's move to all mono-pose models!
Wargames Atlantic wrote: Hi Ibris - I usually bite my tongue when I see posts like this but I think this is a good time to educate folks a little on how tooling works, why we do it the way we do, and why most plastic injection engineers laugh at the GW frames. First - here's an apples-to-apples comparison of the new Damned Infantry frame and the Imperial Guard frame from GW:
Spoiler:
As you can see - our frame is slightly larger, but has many more parts than the GW one (even if you account for theirs being increased by the same %)
But what's somewhat more interesting is that their smaller frame weighs more than our larger one with more parts. And the reason is bad engineering.
Now I know I'm swimming against the current here because calling out GW is like calling out Coke or McDonalds or Mercedes - brands that are so locked into the zetigeist of our culture that they can do no wrong in the eyes of their fans...but the reality is that the way GW tools their frames is...not good.
You'll notice we use round runners to carry the plastic through the tool. GW has those half hexagon things that are much larger. The reason they're larger is because the shape doesn't work well for plastic flow. For some reason they have stuck with it - but they have to design around that runner shape to make their parts fill. That's why they have two injection points on the frame - they have to really force that plastic through the frame from two points whereas we can just use one and get a perfect fill.
They also have some oddness in their gates (the piece that touches the part that comes off the runners). You'll notice they have some quite large reservoirs in the gates. This too is to help the parts fill better because their oddly shaped runners aren't working well.
The end result is that there is way more plastic in the runners on the frame than there are actual parts. Those frames APPEAR to have more parts but that's because a lot of the white space is taken up by the huge honking runners twisting all over the place. No manufacturer can leave less than about 5mm of space around a part (in order to keep the integrity of the metal mold face) and because these types of parts are so organic they sometimes need more "white space" around them than they would if they were all uniform. There is also the consideration of balancing the mold whereby you need to make sure that the plastic is flowing relatively at the same rate throughout the frame and filling up all those parts even if one is a thin spear and another is a giant ogre body part. It's very hard to do. Anyone doing this kind of tooling is working at the top of the game in injection molding.
GW makes great models, they have great detail, but the way they make their frames is just not up to industry standards. They make it work - but it also takes them a lot to achieve a final tool. Ever notice those little dots in the corner of one of the frames? That shows how many times the tool had to come off the test press to fix something and make it work better. This particular one has 10 dots. We usually have our frames working after the second try - and a lot of times our guys nail it on the first test shots.
Do we think we're better than GW - no of course not. We're the size of their company toilet paper budget probably. Do we think our tooling is better? Yes 100%. Will we continue to get better. Also yes. We're five years in it will be really interesting to see what we look like in another 5. Now, don't get me started about GW's move to all mono-pose models!
I will say for myself, I would love more posts like this. This was hugely informative and I really enjoyed learning about the technology behind the kit production. Honestly, I'd watch a whole How It's Made type show about making miniatures or action figures. Thanks for this!
Shadow - waiting on a layout for them right now but we have a bunch of stuff in the queue before them which includes a lot of work we are doing for another company that I'm not allowed to talk about (to give you an idea we've done something like 11 frames for them over the last few months with more than that in the works now.) The queue got a little jammed up with that and the ongoing Damned work but as you've probably noticed we've been increasing the speed that we've been releasing so they shouldn't be all that far off. And the Sneakfeet!
Shadow - waiting on a layout for them right now but we have a bunch of stuff in the queue before them which includes a lot of work we are doing for another company that I'm not allowed to talk about (to give you an idea we've done something like 11 frames for them over the last few months with more than that in the works now.) The queue got a little jammed up with that and the ongoing Damned work but as you've probably noticed we've been increasing the speed that we've been releasing so they shouldn't be all that far off. And the Sneakfeet!
My old comrade in arms, General Accoutrements (we served together with General Tso and General Alert) now has US$15 for 48 textured plastic bases. (~0.30 a base)
At last!
I am a simple man, I do not ask for much, if I never have to flock a flocking base again I will be happy.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: My old comrade in arms, General Accoutrements (we served together with General Tso and General Alert) now has US$15 for 48 textured plastic bases. (~0.30 a base)
What about General Store? General Admission? General Foods? Or for the lower ranks, Private Property and Corporal Punishment?
Well I'm sure you know the official GW sizes. Fantasy city streets would be nice (cobbles, wood, sidewalk edges, sewer covers...) Truth be told there aren't all that many styles that can done flat enough to not look terrible when a flat foot is glued to it.
Well I'm sure you know the official GW sizes. Fantasy city streets would be nice (cobbles, wood, sidewalk edges, sewer covers...) Truth be told there aren't all that many styles that can done flat enough to not look terrible when a flat foot is glued to it.
I second the street bases. I'd also like desert rock like the Painted Desert of the US Southwest. So a low "mesa" type rock with gravel or sand on the rest of the base. Kinda of want cracked dry lake bed, but I rarely use that, and when I have, I've used crackle paint. Since few gamers I've seen use cracked lake bed, it may not be profitable for your company to bother with it.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: 32mm round bases would be nice. Can we get them by next week?
That's a very odd size? What uses 32mm bases?!?!
The new Space Marines!
Thanks for sharing that info on production and casting. GW is definitely out of date on those runners, also the number of times for a run to be successful. I always thought those dots were just QC read by a laser or something.
Many things in Warhammer use 32mm bases, both AoS and 40K, as well as Blood Bowl. The clear styrene flying stands are also 32mm. There's actually very few GW gigures still using 25mm round bases for anymore, most of it has swapped to either 32mm or to 28mm bases. 25mm is still pretty much standard for every other minis manufacturer though
Personally, I'd LOVE dungeon flagstone beveled 25mm bases, currently I make my own from Renedra's flat stone textured ones glued onto slimmer 3mm beveled bases. They look fantastic, but it's quite a lot of work. Even having 25mm rounds ready cast would save me a ton of effort.
I'm the truly weird one who wants 30mm round for all my miniatures!
I find the 32mm just a bit too large for most things I want to use my miniatures for, so I put my AOS stuff on 30mm. Makes it much easier for them to fit inside buildings etc. for skirmish settings and they don't look so ridiculous next to my old 25mm round stuff. Also likely a function of the majority of my collection being ASOIAF stuff which comes on 30mm rounds already.
Gallahad wrote: I'm the truly weird one who wants 30mm round for all my miniatures!
I use 30mm rounds in place of GWs 32s, as I use Renedra bases as I like their thinness, and 30mm is the closest they do. Also, GW 32s are actually 30mm wide on the top, so from a model fit perspective.there isn't any difference.
I'll happily use larger sizes when the size of the model dictates, but I'm sticking with 25mm slotta's or their equivalent for most things. These 25mm , straight beveled, textured bases will be in my hands this year for sure. They should be a great solution for basing.
I am slightly concerned as to whether the textured grainy surface will glue well to flat-bottomed model feet and the potential for them to look like they're floating over the gravel. Issues not faced by the textured bases I've used from Proxie Models and Champ Industries where the bases are still essentially flat. Still, I have high hopes that a bit of strong solvent adhesive will make these issues moot.
Oh, and one more vote for Cobblestone pattern. A supremely useful texure for genres from far past/fantasy through modern times and into the future.
Gallahad wrote: I'm the truly weird one who wants 30mm round for all my miniatures!
I find the 32mm just a bit too large for most things I want to use my miniatures for, so I put my AOS stuff on 30mm. Makes it much easier for them to fit inside buildings etc. for skirmish settings and they don't look so ridiculous next to my old 25mm round stuff. Also likely a function of the majority of my collection being ASOIAF stuff which comes on 30mm rounds already.
Same... back when Miniature Market sold the old Confrontation Ragnarök bases for dirt cheap, I would buy a bunch every time I did an order. Those went away, but Impact did a kickstarter to make 30mm bases and I have since switched to those (which are available on Amazon). 30mm is just close enough to 25mm that it only slightly overhangs combat grids in RPGs too. So all "heroes" or major NPCs are on 30's to help them stand out and I put mooks on 25's.
Gallahad wrote: I'm the truly weird one who wants 30mm round for all my miniatures!
I find the 32mm just a bit too large for most things I want to use my miniatures for, so I put my AOS stuff on 30mm. Makes it much easier for them to fit inside buildings etc. for skirmish settings and they don't look so ridiculous next to my old 25mm round stuff. Also likely a function of the majority of my collection being ASOIAF stuff which comes on 30mm rounds already.
Same... back when Miniature Market sold the old Confrontation Ragnarök bases for dirt cheap, I would buy a bunch every time I did an order. Those went away, but Impact did a kickstarter to make 30mm bases and I have since switched to those (which are available on Amazon). 30mm is just close enough to 25mm that it only slightly overhangs combat grids in RPGs too. So all "heroes" or major NPCs are on 30's to help them stand out and I put mooks on 25's.
Glad I'm not alone!
I got a bunch of those Confrontation 30mm rounds as well! The Impact Miniatures 30mm rounds are some of my favorites with a nice low profile without being totally flat (making magnetization etc. easier)
I base all my swarm type enemies like Goblins/Troglodytes/ghouls on 25mm rounds.
Chindits and Sino-French War French Foreign Legion have been released over on the Atlantic Digital Tribes, Wargames Atlantic website, and Only-Games for printed purchases.
A new hard plastic release from us today. The first of the Vox Atlantic program releases that went through several rounds of feedback to get to a final set. Shipping out worldwide starting April 2nd:
Click here to check it out: https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/british-expeditionary-force-1939-1940
UPDATE #51
3/22/2024 11:37 AM New Artwork WIP, Terrae Motus Question for You, and More
Update #51
We have a few things to update you on this Friday including showing some new artwork, asking a question on the vehicle, and more.
Hello Everyone and Happy Friday!
We're back with some updates and a question for you as well!
First Mark Stacey is hard at work on the box illustrations for the 11 (Holy Moly We Still Can't Believe It!) sets that are in the works. Here is the uncolorized version of the Heavy Weapons team box illustration:
TERRAE MOTUS SIZE?
In regard to the Terrae Motus vehicle (pictured above) we are in ongoing refinements of the parts and optimizing the design for tooling. In doing this we realized we may have missed a critical need for the final vehicle: is there a physical tabletop footprint size that you would like us to match in order to work for your favorite games? Please comment below if you have thoughts on this.
SCHEDULE
As Charlie mentioned last week we have more sets in layout and you'll start to see a steady stream of these as we go to tooling one by one over the next few weeks and get into the home stretch. There are many balls in the air with this project as it's a typical project for us (with the exception of the vehicle which is a first for us in hard plastic) but with 11 all in the air at once!
Each one is now moving through at a steady pace one behind the other with file prep, layout, miniature painting and photography, and the artwork all being done concurrently. So you will start to see very fast movement on the 11 sets. We are close to having a more formal schedule for completion in place but just have to get past the layout stage first as that is the stage where the most back-and-forth happens between design, engineering, and the ultimate part needs for the frame (as you just saw with the Command frame).
This is the biggest thing we've ever done but so far (knock on wood) it's all moving along nicely! Thanks again for supporting us in this adventure! Until next week!
I think they're majorly dropping the ball on the vehicle, the original design was naff and said to be subject to change during the campaign, then there was complete radio silence about it literally from the last day of the campaign until today, and now it's just oops, what size should it be?
lord_blackfang wrote: I think they're majorly dropping the ball on the vehicle, the original design was naff and said to be subject to change during the campaign, then there was complete radio silence about it literally from the last day of the campaign until today, and now it's just oops, what size should it be?
The vehicle is the only part of this that represents a "new thing" for us to tackle. We're making sure to get it right. Contrary to what a lot of people think, sculpting isn't the greatest time expenditure in a plastics project. It's typically the fastest bit. It's the file engineering, layout, mold balance, and all that technical stuff prior to tooling that takes the most time and effort. So now that we're in the stage where we're moving this part of the project ahead it's time to really lock it down, finalize the design, and get the buy in from the backers.
The issue I see with the vehicle is that what size will suit people best depends on what people are going to run it as (probably in 30/40k), which in turn depends on what armament it will have available.
I expect that most people are going to want to use it as a stand-in for the taurox (conceptually similar vehicle with a terrible model) so a dual-autocannon turret and dimensions of roughly 115mm long by 70mm wide would work well. Happily, those are also about the right dimensions for a rhino, aurox, or goliath truck. I doubt that anyone is going to run them as chimeras unless they are willing to do a lot of conversion work or you provide a very specific set of weapons which don't seem to fit the layout shown so far. Likewise, I see no indication that they will come with parts suitable for making any of the chimera-based artillery vehicles (basilisk, manticore, etc.). Ork players may want to use them to build trukks, and 115x70mm will work OK for that, but be a little small (but ork players will probably want to do a lot of conversion anyway and be more flexible when it comes to size).
I'd favour going closer to the chimera in size
which is apparently 115 x 90 mm compared to the rhino at 115 x 75 mm
or split the difference and go 82.5 mm for the width so it's midway between the two making it a plausible proxy for both (the taurox wasn't widely loved based on looks, but i don't remember it being popular in game either, has that changed?)
height wise for the main body make it fit with the minis so they could fit inside
as to the conquistadors i'd favour wheel locks but wouldn't cry if the vote went the other way
Back to pretextured bases. Flat pavers for street/castle/dungeons would be better for minis as opposed to cobblestones. Cobblestones are small and rounded so small contact points for the glue.
I voted for wheellocks and hope that there will be at least one left handed pistol.
If they do go with matchlocks then I guess a guy with a pistol in each hand wouldn't make sense since he couldnt fire either at that point.
I have a wargames illustrated with black powder rules for Frostgrave. It might make a fun warband to have a bunch of wheellocked crew... Would probably use ghost archipelago crew guys that I got a year or so back and havent done anything with. Maybe with conquistador heads.
WA didn't mention it yet but the designer of Test Of Honour & 02:00 Hours said WA are be doing two sets for his new game - Fantasy City NPCs and a Fantasy City Wardens I believe.
Ancient Otter wrote: WA didn't mention it yet but the designer of Test Of Honour & 02:00 Hours said WA are be doing two sets for his new game - Fantasy City NPCs and a Fantasy City Wardens I believe.
Ancient Otter wrote: WA didn't mention it yet but the designer of Test Of Honour & 02:00 Hours said WA are be doing two sets for his new game - Fantasy City NPCs and a Fantasy City Wardens I believe.
I wasn't actually including the two sets that we are doing to go with Graham's game but yes I suppose they could be some of the Secret Sets!
Three more of those secret sets will be shown off in the next 30-45 days. One for certain. Two as long as the illustrator is well enough to finish the cover paintings (he's been having a bit of a struggle but seems to be on the mend). Two others are in the middle of sculpting and will be later in the year. And there are a couple others too.
But the main push is on The Damned and making sure each individual set gets the right attention and we are maximizing the customization among them.
Wargames Atlantic wrote: work we are doing for another company that I'm not allowed to talk about (to give you an idea we've done something like 11 frames for them over the last few months
Hm, 11 frames is the number Great Escape Games said they were making this year for Dead Man's Hand (but their current plastic kits don't look like WGA product)
KidCthulhu wrote: Almost any game that uses a base with a lip uses 32 as their baseline infantry base.
Sort of. The large lipped bases popularized by Privateer Press and later used by many other companies and games are 30mm wide. What allot of folks don't know is that that are designed so that the top inset area is exactly the same 23mm diameter as the top of a traditional 25mm beveled edge slotta base.
Darn it, you raised my hopes for a clever April Fools instead I just got a preview of Medieval Foot Knights, with mounted knights, sergeants and levy to come!
For someone more in the know, I can see what Levy would look like (the Peasants are Revolting!) but what are sergeants? Just kind of in the middle, semi armored?
Darn it, you raised my hopes for a clever April Fools instead I just got a preview of Medieval Foot Knights, with mounted knights, sergeants and levy to come!
For someone more in the know, I can see what Levy would look like (the Peasants are Revolting!) but what are sergeants? Just kind of in the middle, semi armored?
I did not work on these sets. I want to make that clear.
And answer to your question, a medieval sergeant was a class of footsoldier. You can think of them like professionally trained peasant class men. Usually they would wear medium to heavy armor, and could be further specialized into infantry or cavalry roles.
Was expecting some April Fool's, was expecting it even more after the "Medieval" movie references, but damn, what a pleasant surprise on many levels! Looks like a nice kit and a great range once out; always enjoy the aesthetics and might finally start an Albigensian Crusade inspired project with these (had been awaiting the announced Victrix ones before, wouldn't mind if the two ranges were interchangeable for kitbashing...)
Darn it, you raised my hopes for a clever April Fools instead I just got a preview of Medieval Foot Knights, with mounted knights, sergeants and levy to come!
For someone more in the know, I can see what Levy would look like (the Peasants are Revolting!) but what are sergeants? Just kind of in the middle, semi armored?
Would expect them to mainly have spears, mostly helmets (or chain coifs) but no greathelms such as the knights here, and a decent amount of armour - some chain, some padded gambesons. Guess they could have crossbows too, while I imagine the levy will be unarmoured (maybe interchangeable with sergeants for poorly armoured spearmen) and to have some bows, rounding the range out nicely.
For someone more in the know, I can see what Levy would look like (the Peasants are Revolting!) but what are sergeants? Just kind of in the middle, semi armored?
English military of that time a Serjeant was a professional warrior that was not a nobel, while a Levy was a conscripted warrior
Re: Sergeant-at-Arms. Early medieval sergeants were essentially servants who could fight. What equipment they used was what their noble masters provided them. Later they became a mid-tier professional military: common-born, non-noble professional soldiers who were in service to the nobles and who filled a number of functions of the modern sergeant. Again, equipment was what they could afford (if a mercenary) or what their lord provided. As previously noted, they did not typically use great helms or other pieces of equipment associated with mounted knights. They might also use bows or crossbows unlike knights. [Use of missile weapons had a social stigma of cowardice or being ignoble among nobility in some times and places so knights usually did not use them in combat.]
As for modeling, use whatever armor you like, but not as complete or flash was what you are planning to model your knights in. Kettle hats are usually what most people think of men-at-arms and Sergeant-at-Arms as wearing. A cloth gambeson or cuir boulli might be worn instead of a chain hauberk, especially for those in service to poorer lords.
I did not work on these sets. I want to make that clear.
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But you can confirm this is a legit kit and not a very elaborate April Fools joke? If so I really hope WGA can beat Victrix to the punch on Saracen models.
I did not work on these sets. I want to make that clear.
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But you can confirm this is a legit kit and not a very elaborate April Fools joke? If so I really hope WGA can beat Victrix to the punch on Saracen models.
My first thought when I saw these was that they were a very elaborate April Fools joke. If that's the case I'm going to be very, very sad.
Man, and me on a knight kick. now I just gotta figure out where I can get overly fancy head mascots and it'd be an actually affordable bretonian foot knight kit...
I did not work on these sets. I want to make that clear.
But you can confirm this is a legit kit and not a very elaborate April Fools joke? If so I really hope WGA can beat Victrix to the punch on Saracen models.
My first thought when I saw these was that they were a very elaborate April Fools joke. If that's the case I'm going to be very, very sad.
Follow the link Kid Kyoto provided above and you'll see it is a pre-order at the WGA webstore.
As for helms with elaborate crests, try 3rd party vendors. The ones I use do not currently have any, but with the release of The Old World, I imagine there will soon be 3rd party bits being sculpted and 3d printed.
EDIT: Fireforge has embossed plastic shields both historical and fantasy. Shields
Puppetswar.eu has a few heads, but other than the vampire and chaos knight heads, there are no fancy crests. Just make sure they are fantasy, and not the 40k helms. {Even though I searched Fantasy, some of the helmets have space marine neck joins.} https://puppetswar.eu/resin-models-and-bits/fantasy/bits.html?p=1
Vejut wrote: Man, and me on a knight kick. now I just gotta figure out where I can get overly fancy head mascots and it'd be an actually affordable bretonian foot knight kit...
Reaper sell little animal familiars that could work. There are also lots of space marine bling bits available through bits sites, such as banner toppers, space wolf emblems, Dark Angels icons, Blood Angel winged chalices, etc.. Mantic also include little animals in some of their kits, such as frogs and imps and otters. If you know any historical gamers, ask if they have any spare standard toppers.
Vejut wrote: Man, and me on a knight kick. now I just gotta figure out where I can get overly fancy head mascots and it'd be an actually affordable bretonian foot knight kit...
Fireforge also have both historical and fantasy knight kits.
Shadow Walker wrote: Voted for matchlock, for the sake of something different than usual.
I just got some fireforge dwarven Ram riders from Ebay. I Had backed in the kickstarter but ended up getting some of their existing models in the pledge manager instead of dwarves. Anyway, the Ram riders have matchlock pistols. Size-wise they are comparable to Warlords ECW flintlock pistols. But may still be a little large on a WA Conquistador.
Smokestack wrote: Didn't Victrix accuse WA of copying one of Victrix's sets on a digital set a year or two back? I wonder how Victrix feels about this now.
Yes, they even said they were consulting legal counsel. However, I'm sure when Victrix "copies" other companies, it's not really copying. When someone does it to Victrix, it's plagarism, when Victrix does it, it is original work. Between Victrix sculpting on the small side of historicals and their plagarism BS, I've stopped buying from them. [Although I admit it won't hurt them that much. Hardly buy historical these days anyway. And I'd only want a sprue of the WGA foot knights, so I'm not helping WGA too much outside of Death Fields.]
I have a sprue of their Dacians, which is a nice set, but that is all I have from Victrix... I think. While I have a ton of WA. Not that I dislike Victrix's minis, its just hard to find stuff here in the US without hefty shipping... Though the Dacians did have a very nice sale but I didnt really need 50 (or however came in that box).
To be fair, I think Victrix announced their medieval sets around July last year whereas Andy and Paul said they have been working with WA on these for about a year.
I would laugh my but off if Victrix accused WGA of plagiarizing them by making a generic medieval foot knights kit. Surely that is a proprietary concept if I have ever heard of one......
"Well you see this miniature had chainmail and a sword, and yours also had chainmail and a sword..."
We'd like your input on the Terrae Motus vehicle and what to do with the design.
The last big hurdle to overcome for the project is the Terrae Motus vehicle.
This one JUST squeaked by in the last seconds of the campaign by $3,000. We ran a report and only 30 of the 1420 backers have added it to their pledge. So it seems like only 2% of you are interested in it.
We have to admit we are not in absolute love with the design and have been playing with ideas for it, but before we get too far we wanted to let you tell us what you wanted us to do.
We see three options:
1. Refine it but basically keep it as is
2. Change the design completely - perhaps to a tank or walker - we'd run a separate poll with concepts to decide this
3. Replace this with a new set of Damned power armor troops
Rob Macfarlane has worked up a concept for the power armor troops:
The power armor guys would have different head options so that you could make them all the same or mix it up within a unit. Shoulder pads would be "Damnified" and with plain versions as well. Concepts aren't final of course but this is what we were thinking would fit with the rest of the range.
We thought the best way to decide this was to have you vote - this vote is only open to the backers so it can't be influenced by outsiders. If #2 or #3 end up being chosen, we'd make the existing Terrae Motus design available as a free stl file set for those who want it.
Please let us know your wishes below! Also regarding schedule there is a lot in tooling now and we're just working out what the final timelines look like for everything. As we've said doing 11 all at once is a daunting task that's a little different than the 50 or so sets we've done all in singles or pairs in the past but we are getting there! We can't wait to unleash 11 full plastic sets on the world in one shot - just crazy! Thanks for helping us make this a reality!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I am actually ok with any of those choices. I have 5 that I pledged for. I would Prefer another vehicle... a Tank or a walker would be awesome. Power armor would be my last choice but still would not be upset about it.
Werkrobotwerk wrote: I seem to be in the minority that like the existing truck design.
I like it too. have 5 in my pledge... But all of the choices seem good. So I am not upset either way. Though if power armor wins,., I dont need 5 boxes...
We'd like your input on the Terrae Motus vehicle and what to do with the design.
The last big hurdle to overcome for the project is the Terrae Motus vehicle.
This one JUST squeaked by in the last seconds of the campaign by $3,000. We ran a report and only 30 of the 1420 backers have added it to their pledge. So it seems like only 2% of you are interested in it.
We have to admit we are not in absolute love with the design and have been playing with ideas for it, but before we get too far we wanted to let you tell us what you wanted us to do.
We see three options:
1. Refine it but basically keep it as is
2. Change the design completely - perhaps to a tank or walker - we'd run a separate poll with concepts to decide this
3. Replace this with a new set of Damned power armor troops
Spoiler:
Rob Macfarlane has worked up a concept for the power armor troops:
The power armor guys would have different head options so that you could make them all the same or mix it up within a unit. Shoulder pads would be "Damnified" and with plain versions as well. Concepts aren't final of course but this is what we were thinking would fit with the rest of the range.
We thought the best way to decide this was to have you vote - this vote is only open to the backers so it can't be influenced by outsiders. If #2 or #3 end up being chosen, we'd make the existing Terrae Motus design available as a free stl file set for those who want it.
Please let us know your wishes below! Also regarding schedule there is a lot in tooling now and we're just working out what the final timelines look like for everything. As we've said doing 11 all at once is a daunting task that's a little different than the 50 or so sets we've done all in singles or pairs in the past but we are getting there! We can't wait to unleash 11 full plastic sets on the world in one shot - just crazy! Thanks for helping us make this a reality!
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I'll be voting for walkers. This is essentially an imperial guard army kickstarter and if the vehicle (which I was never impressed by) is not to be, then a not-Sentinel is the most sensible choice.
That said, the power armor does look cool, it's just not something I've got any use for.
I really want the vehicle as is (and i've got several in my pledge),
an alternate vehicle might be ok but i'd need to see it first, and even more so for a walker
i've got enough troops coming anyway that i don't need the power armour stuff (and i feel it fits less well with the rest of the concept).
If they became a future release for the line fine, but not in place of a vehicle which is the thing most in short supply in the hobby space
I suggested that if there really are only 30 of us who want a vehicle (how many folk are waiting to the last minute to finalise their orders once all the sprue layouts have been shown?) that maybe they way to do it would be for WGA to 3D print them for those that wanted them,
not as good as plastic, but at least it would mean getting them
I wanted at least one vehicle, and depending on the final design and versatility I might have gotten more. I haven't finalized my pledge as I'm waiting to see everything first, therefore no vehicles added in my pledge yet.
Not a backer, but as a fan of inexpensive vehicle options, that truck design just doesn't grab me. I'd prefer more of an industrial truck look, rather than an armoured station wagon.
That said, alternate tanks and walkers are also always nice to have.
and one of their recent polls agrees with 27% of respondents wanting more half sprues if that mean more different releases,
and 65% preferring fewer full sprues even though that would mean only half the number of different releases
(although i suspect a degree of bias there with those wanting full sprues at least subconsciously thinking that the new stuff they want would be amongst that was made, not the stuff that got missed out on)
i'm sure this will advise their choices going forward
Yeah, wonder how long the new design will delay the project.
I am hoping for a walker transport... or just a transport but I would be ok with some "not sentinels" too. I like the power armor better thna the Heavy armor troopers. I kind of wish they could swap them...
