kodos wrote:


Looking at the casket, catapult and giant they are kind of reasonable for what they are, chunky resin models most likely made in traditional silicone moulds
(comparing it to the Mantic Frost Giant, which is twice the size and only partially resin, and costs 80€, the resin Giant from Conquest also double the site costs 140€)

The casket and catapult have more pieces, more volume of resin, more models, and are frankly way more detailed. Less than $80 cad for those is a reasonable price; the bone giant isn't. I don't need to compare it to other companies because I can compare it to other stuff from its own range.

But let's do it anyways.

The conquest giant is way bigger than the GW one. It's also....explicitly a collectors version. This means that it has a really high amount of detail and isn't the default buy game piece, so is priced accordingly. The default game piece is 65 USD/Euro (and also huge), while the bone giant is 78 USD. Like, both these conquest models are comparable to GW mega gargants in size.

The mantic giant is...almost exactly in the same boat. It's highly detailed, almost double the size of the bone giant, and theres a much cheaper plastic giant that's also the same height.

Like let's be real. GW isn't using resin to leverage it's higher detail level; they're using resin because it's cheaper for them as a material in those moulds over metal, and way cheaper to ship. If any of those other companies made the bone giant it'd be in plastic and like, a third of the price. If they did it in resin it'd be half the price.


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 ShadowsAndDust wrote:
From what I gather, GW's pricing model relates to how many you can field in an army. GW figures that they won't sell as many of certain models if one is only allowed in an army, so they jack the price way up.

And yet, is still wildly inconsistent.

Apophas is 24 cad for an infantry hero, nekaph is 50 cad for an infantry hero.

The catapult is limited in army list construction to 2/1000 and is 72 cad. The casket is limited to 1/1000 and is 77 cad. The bone giant has no limit, and can even be picked in the special slot, and is 96 cad.

What else? The metal trolls that are 2 for 50 cad and are in the special/core slot, while the ushabti are 3 for 96 cad and are...in the special/core slot.

Wonder what the next release is after Dwarves...Bad guy army right?

Hoping for WoC! But probably Bad Guys, yeah.

 rybackstun wrote:
Hoping for WoC! But probably Bad Guys, yeah.

I see what you did there.

With BoC having just been in production anyway, feels like the easiest one to do if there was joined up thinking going on.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Wonder what the next release is after Dwarves...Bad guy army right?

There have been a few mentions somewhere that it might be Empire, and that Empire effectively counts as "both sides" of the good/bad split so far because of the civil war.

If we look at the past releases it could be woodelves-beastmen or
empire-chaos and the highelves as a single release.

Orcs & Goblins Made-to-order next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/28/sunday-preview-white-dwarf-500-and-legions-imperialis-hardware/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sudaypreview&utm_content=sundaypreview280424

Marauder Orc Shaman on Wyvern
Marauder Giant
Black Orc Boss
Stone Trolls (Two sets)
River Trolls

They're all metal too...So now I see Marauder is attached to the Wyvern Shaman model too. Is that not just a way to describe the unique giant? Or is it something else?


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Also there is soooooooo much character in those trolls. Something you don't really see nowadays with computer design imo.

 nathan2004 wrote:
They're all metal too...So now I see Marauder is attached to the Wyvern Shaman model too. Is that not just a way to describe the unique giant? Or is it something else?


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Also there is soooooooo much character in those trolls. Something you don't really see nowadays with computer design imo.

Marauder was a separate company:

"Formed by Ally and Trish Morrison. They set up as a separate company in 1988, announced in WD106. The exact reason for forming a separate company is unclear, but may may been to establish multiple brands, or to keep personalities apart!

Their miniatures were cast and distributed by Citadel alongside the normal Citadel ranges, although at one time they were using the Wargames Foundry facilities. Later miniatures were also designed by Colin Dixon. They were reabsorbed back into the main Citadel ranges in 1993, about the same time that the 4th edition of Warhammer was launched. The last distinct Marauder advert is in WD152, after that they are shown in the normal White Dwarf catalog section. They continue to be listed in the catalogs as Marauder Miniatures until the 1994 catalog, and miniatures marked on the tab as Marauder continued to appear for several years. "

Thanks I didn't know that about the company and the split/reabsorption.

This is going to get awfully expensive because I want all of them.

I loved many of these models at the time, and bought several of them, but I can't say that they've held up that well. The old metal sculpts do have a lot of character, it's true, but the plastics look pretty crude. Clearly I'm in a minority, however - GW made a good decision going after the nostalgia dollar. I suppose there is some cost involved in refurbishing the old moulds and doing some new packaging, but it still looks like easy money to me.

I had never seen those river trolls before but I fell in love immediately


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 Snord wrote:
I loved many of these models at the time, and bought several of them, but I can't say that they've held up that well. The old metal sculpts do have a lot of character, it's true, but the plastics look pretty crude. Clearly I'm in a minority, however - GW made a good decision going after the nostalgia dollar. I suppose there is some cost involved in refurbishing the old moulds and doing some new packaging, but it still looks like easy money to me.

For me it's the other way around. I came to the hobby because of lotr and always found Warhammer and 40K miniatures very crude and goofy. Nowadays they've grown on me. Still not on par with lotr from the same time of course, but I get the appeal. And for many things proper comparable plastics are still rare, especially since GW went overpriced monoposes that don’t work in larger units.

Finally the Marauder Giant! Also I have all but one of those Stone Trolls. Not sure if they are being made to order in groups or singles but I have a need to complete my collection!

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Finally the Marauder Giant! Also I have all but one of those Stone Trolls. Not sure if they are being made to order in groups or singles but I have a need to complete my collection!

I'm guessing two different groups of three will be how the stone trolls go on sale.

The original article said 2 sets of three.

If they're under 20 euro a pop I suppose it's alright. I'd find it hard to stomach 60 euro for three of them - though I seem to recall that was the price toward the end of Warhammer Fantasy, which is why I never got more than one of each type.

They were €20 per troll 14 years ago, I doubt they'll be that cheap now. I'm happy if they're even Ushabti price.

Dang...well, buying 3 is still probably a better deal than the prices for individual ones that go on Ebay.

I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

Going by Ushabti prices the Stone Trolls won't much better than eBay, but I'll be getting them. To me they're quintessential Warhammer, full of character and fun, up there with steam tanks, night goblins fanatics and Skaven.

What I don't understand is why the Stone Trolls aren't apart of the permanent range. They were the face of mail order of decades.

The giant holds up to this day, river trolls have grown on me, I love serpentine wyvern and the black orc boss is really neat.

 Snord wrote:
I loved many of these models at the time, and bought several of them, but I can't say that they've held up that well. The old metal sculpts do have a lot of character, it's true, but the plastics look pretty crude. Clearly I'm in a minority, however - GW made a good decision going after the nostalgia dollar. I suppose there is some cost involved in refurbishing the old moulds and doing some new packaging, but it still looks like easy money to me.

I find that I like the wording of the rules for the latest ruleset much better than 8th, so I am happy to grab the official rules. (Also, keeping an open mind about Kings of War, One Page Rules and Dragon Rampant).

However, as far as the actual minis, I did buy the Bret set to get me started, but because of price/asthetics I've strayed from GW. I've been 3D printing (elves, Brets) or buying preprinted off Etsy, as I like a lot of the modern looks 3rd party creators have made - especially those like Highland Miniatures & Monstrous Encounters. I'm even picking up some units that don't specifically exist in WHFB, but could easily make stats for them (hard part is really figuring points value).

WHFB is pretty generic fantasy, there's a lot of other creators making better minis for less than GW.

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

 Stormonu wrote:

I find that I like the wording of the rules for the latest ruleset much better than 8th, so I am happy to grab the official rules. (Also, keeping an open mind about Kings of War, One Page Rules and Dragon Rampant).

However, as far as the actual minis, I did buy the Bret set to get me started, but because of price/asthetics I've strayed from GW. I've been 3D printing (elves, Brets) or buying preprinted off Etsy, as I like a lot of the modern looks 3rd party creators have made - especially those like Highland Miniatures & Monstrous Encounters. I'm even picking up some units that don't specifically exist in WHFB, but could easily make stats for them (hard part is really figuring points value).

WHFB is pretty generic fantasy, there's a lot of other creators making better minis for less than GW.

I respect what you said here but in my experience 3d printing is pretty hit or miss. My little bro is starting O&G and had Black Orcs and Boar Boars 3d printed and while the boars turned out okay, the Black Orcs turned out horrible despite looking okay in pics. Also I played a wood elf player yesterday that 3d printed the Ranger dudes (the ones with great weapons) and he was breaking arms and models left and right throughout the game not from dropping them or anything, just touching them. He ended up finding someone in the community to buy the legit models from.

 nathan2004 wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

I find that I like the wording of the rules for the latest ruleset much better than 8th, so I am happy to grab the official rules. (Also, keeping an open mind about Kings of War, One Page Rules and Dragon Rampant).

However, as far as the actual minis, I did buy the Bret set to get me started, but because of price/asthetics I've strayed from GW. I've been 3D printing (elves, Brets) or buying preprinted off Etsy, as I like a lot of the modern looks 3rd party creators have made - especially those like Highland Miniatures & Monstrous Encounters. I'm even picking up some units that don't specifically exist in WHFB, but could easily make stats for them (hard part is really figuring points value).

WHFB is pretty generic fantasy, there's a lot of other creators making better minis for less than GW.

I respect what you said here but in my experience 3d printing is pretty hit or miss. My little bro is starting O&G and had Black Orcs and Boar Boars 3d printed and while the boars turned out okay, the Black Orcs turned out horrible despite looking okay in pics. Also I played a wood elf player yesterday that 3d printed the Ranger dudes (the ones with great weapons) and he was breaking arms and models left and right throughout the game not from dropping them or anything, just touching them. He ended up finding someone in the community to buy the legit models from.

3D printing is certainly far from "plug and play" levels of ease of use. The wrong resin, the wrong curing, badly designed parts and more can all result in issues. Not to mention poor calibration in the market means even "merchants" on stores can have very low grade results in what they produce.

There 100% are fantastic designers and models out there worth the month and if you get into it it greatly expands the range of models that you've got on offer for what you can get.


Personally I also got the Bret box and as soon as the Lady is back in stock I'll be getting her from the FW design. However I'm also ending up wnating to 3D print more models for this force - likely using Last Sword for a large Bret force. However there's every chance that a new army with modern models (eg a shiny new army of Kislev or Cathay) could well get me buying GW plastic ones too. In the end GW plastics are great to work with and produce great models that are fun to play with.

Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

Issue with them from Stormbringer? I'm lost. What does this mean?

There's so many options on the market these days, I think it's a great time to "stray". My local shop stocks loads of fantasy ranges from small producers that easily fit into the Old World.

3D printing seems like a fun hobby but it's definitely it's own hobby and not one I'm much interested in.

 Just Tony wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

Issue with them from Stormbringer? I'm lost. What does this mean?

Stormbringer is a magazine produced by Hachette, each magazine comes with GW models or paints.

The issue featuring Black Orcs has not been released yet

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

Issue with them from Stormbringer? I'm lost. What does this mean?

Stormbringer is a magazine produced by Hachette, each magazine comes with GW models or paints.

The issue featuring Black Orcs has not been released yet

...but it's an AOS magazine, so why would it be coming with TOW models? is this something they've announced? i looked through the contents of stormbringer and the only orcs stuff are kruelboyz and ironjawz, but the ardboyz that they released for it is just the one kit of 5, which is far from the 20 black orcs they're selling

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

Issue with them from Stormbringer? I'm lost. What does this mean?

Stormbringer is a magazine produced by Hachette, each magazine comes with GW models or paints.

The issue featuring Black Orcs has not been released yet

...but it's an AOS magazine, so why would it be coming with TOW models? is this something they've announced? i looked through the contents of stormbringer and the only orcs stuff are kruelboyz and ironjawz, but the ardboyz that they released for it is just the one kit of 5, which is far from the 20 black orcs they're selling

If you notice, they're the older WHFB Black Orc 'Ardboyz. Hunt eBay or online for 4 copies, boom 20 Black orcs. Should be cheaper than the GW box, too.

sure, but are those four copies going to be a better deal than what GW is currently selling?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
sure, but are those four copies going to be a better deal than what GW is currently selling?

Yes. The Black Orc box will probably be $80 USD. A single issue of Stormbringer is $13-15 USD or so. That's a savings of ~$20 USD if you get them at retail, which you can from Hatchette's UK site when they go up.

they mentioned ebay, which is what i was thinking of, so i hadn't considered that just buying the issues lol

 Platuan4th wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
sure, but are those four copies going to be a better deal than what GW is currently selling?

Yes. The Black Orc box will probably be $80 USD. A single issue of Stormbringer is $13-15 USD or so. That's a savings of ~$20 USD if you get them at retail, which you can from Hatchette's UK site when they go up.

Black Orc boxes are retail items though, so you can find them for 15% off anyway. It's going to be a lot of hassle for like two dollars.

Also the image in the last issue of Stormbringer looked like they might have swapped them out for the new AOS models.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

Issue with them from Stormbringer? I'm lost. What does this mean?

Stormbringer is a magazine produced by Hachette, each magazine comes with GW models or paints.

The issue featuring Black Orcs has not been released yet

...but it's an AOS magazine, so why would it be coming with TOW models? is this something they've announced? i looked through the contents of stormbringer and the only orcs stuff are kruelboyz and ironjawz, but the ardboyz that they released for it is just the one kit of 5, which is far from the 20 black orcs they're selling

If you notice, they're the older WHFB Black Orc 'Ardboyz. Hunt eBay or online for 4 copies, boom 20 Black orcs. Should be cheaper than the GW box, too.

Which issue is it gonna be that has the plastic black orcs in it?

Issue 70

 Platuan4th wrote:
Issue 70

It's 73 (70 is Ironskull’s Boyz), and a quick heads-up that there's a rumour they've been swapped out for the newer Orruk Ardboys.

 Stormonu wrote:


WHFB is pretty generic fantasy, there's a lot of other creators making better minis for less than GW.

Yep, always have been.
You bought GW for the really exclusive GW stuff that other companies didnt offer (steam tanks, gyrocopters, most things skaven, named characters etc) & filled in the ranks with stuff from everyone else.

Though now, with 3d printing, there's plenty of others making not-GW versions of almost anything.

General FYI for anyone who still wants them; the generic reference cards are back in stock on the GW website.

Using a bit of extrapolation the Marauder Giant is $165 NZ dollars, am I right in thinking that will place it around the £50 price bracket in the UK? And the trolls are $115 NZ, I make that £35 ish. Not terrible for 3 metal trolls.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Using a bit of extrapolation the Marauder Giant is $165 NZ dollars, am I right in thinking that will place it around the £50 price bracket in the UK? And the trolls are $115 NZ, I make that £35 ish. Not terrible for 3 metal trolls.

Yep

Marauder Giant £50 €65
Orc Shaman on Wyvern £50 €65
All Trolls £35 €45
Black Orc Big Boss £9 €12

Those prices aren't anywhere near as bad as I was expecting, I totally thought the Trolls would be priced like Ushabti

Yeah, that's a fiver cheaper per troll than they were back in the day. Kinda unbelievable! Great though, I guess both sets are on the cards.

I had budgeted up to £75 for the Giant, so to be able to add the River Trolls to my order for £10 over my original budget was an added bonus. Perhaps a lesson for GW about pricing?

Santtu wrote:
They were €20 per troll 14 years ago, I doubt they'll be that cheap now. I'm happy if they're even Ushabti price.

I've never been this happy about being wrong.

I wanted everything they had and managed to get it for about £50 less than I expected to pay. Still expensive but those models are great and well worth the price to me.

Took the River Trolls. Expected 60€ and was happy with 45€. In fact, if GW had went higher than 60 I'd have skipped them because I got them just for fun.

Stone trolls surprised me, as the plastic kit bears such a strong resemblance on top of better detail & customization.

Both the Giant and the Trolls are priced...decent? I wasn't expecting that. Now I really have no excuse not to get them.

After 30 years of dithering, I decided to finally buy a Marauder Giant. It's always been the definitive Warhammer giant to me.

Man I wish the Ushabti were priced the same (doubly so as they are a regular items and not the Trolls). Not that it matters much because they haven't been in stock since the launch here (like everything not plastic).

Gonna take a Giant for sure at that price for sure.

Well, I've ordered my 2 sets of Stone Trolls to go with these old things I painted about 24 years ago.

My worry is that the MTO will be so popular the models at the end of the run will be blobs of smooth metal.

 Pariah Press wrote:
After 30 years of dithering, I decided to finally buy a Marauder Giant. It's always been the definitive Warhammer giant to me.

Same. Been THE giant back when I started fantasy decades ago. Wasn't too hard to get it.

Wyvern i'm more on fence. Its not that special and wyvern on wizard(who can't take illusion) seems bad.

Have 18 stone trolls from git army so no need for those but river trolls do tempt.

Im really tempted by the darkoath box, but dont really have any need for it. So the deal with myself is I go to my flgs tomorrow and see if they still have the box. If so, its a sign from the dice god to buy it.

The same method have forced me to get the indomitus box and the plastic sisters of battle launch box before. No, wait, that was FOMO

Belthanos wrote:
Wyvern i'm more on fence. Its not that special and wyvern on wizard(who can't take illusion) seems bad.

Standing on one leg, that Wyvern used to fall over ALL THE TIME. Why couldn't they re-issue it with the grounded leg from Azhag's wyvern?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, I've ordered my 2 sets of Stone Trolls to go with these old things I painted about 24 years ago.

Spoiler:

Those are great, can't even tell they come from a time before good acrylics were even invented.

Holy smokes, I just got a dispatch notice for my MTO Orcs & Goblins. I wasn't expecting to receive anything till the end of the year.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
Holy smokes, I just got a dispatch notice for my MTO Orcs & Goblins. I wasn't expecting to receive anything till the end of the year.

GW normally estimates something around 3 months for MTO - end of year would be shockingly bad.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
Holy smokes, I just got a dispatch notice for my MTO Orcs & Goblins. I wasn't expecting to receive anything till the end of the year.

They make a set amount before they start the mto. If they sell through that stock, then it goes onto the made to order basis.

I ordered some Bretonnian MTO back in February, about 30 minutes before they were taken off sale. They still haven't shipped and I don't expect them for a while.

I ordered a Marauder Giant within 10 minutes of going on sale this past Saturday, and it has been shipped already.

MTO is strictly first come, first served.

Yes. First come, first served is to be expected

First come first served, but I've also noted that GW will generally provide overseas before UK once they hit made-to-order. Which might be a bias to getting the longest delivery time items out first since UK stuff will generally arrive in one or two days once shipped whilst overseas has to go by slower means

 Overread wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:
Holy smokes, I just got a dispatch notice for my MTO Orcs & Goblins. I wasn't expecting to receive anything till the end of the year.

GW normally estimates something around 3 months for MTO - end of year would be shockingly bad.

My last order took 6 months to the day.

Yes, placed an order for the Marauder Giant plus some River Trolls pretty much bang on 10 am Saturday and have also received a dispatch email today. Must admit that it was pretty similar with the Bretonnian MTO I placed in Jan/Feb earlier in the year. It is usually our friend's overseas that have to wait the longer advised times.

 Overread wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:
Holy smokes, I just got a dispatch notice for my MTO Orcs & Goblins. I wasn't expecting to receive anything till the end of the year.

GW normally estimates something around 3 months for MTO - end of year would be shockingly bad.

Any MTO I've order have always stated 180 days, no later. So around 6 months or end of October/beginning of November.

WarComm is showing off the new Skaven Jezzail today. Looks pretty spiffy, just needs the correct base for TOW.

 Bonegrinder wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:
Holy smokes, I just got a dispatch notice for my MTO Orcs & Goblins. I wasn't expecting to receive anything till the end of the year.

GW normally estimates something around 3 months for MTO - end of year would be shockingly bad.

Any MTO I've order have always stated 180 days, no later. So around 6 months or end of October/beginning of November.

And there I got mixing up the mto time with the marketing window time!

 SgtEeveell wrote:
WarComm is showing off the new Skaven Jezzail today. Looks pretty spiffy, just needs the correct base for TOW.

Yep its lovely - the stupidity of not cross selling astounds me....

I also got a dispatch notice for my Stone Trolls today. I might still order the River Trolls and Giant before the end of the week, but I can wait 180 days for them.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:
WarComm is showing off the new Skaven Jezzail today. Looks pretty spiffy, just needs the correct base for TOW.

Yep its lovely - the stupidity of not cross selling astounds me....

The new clanrats look pretty good too. They are even almost the same size. But the poses are a lot more "dynamic" and probably won't rank up too well.

I've got around 80 older clanrats already though, so I'm good for those.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:
WarComm is showing off the new Skaven Jezzail today. Looks pretty spiffy, just needs the correct base for TOW.

Yep its lovely - the stupidity of not cross selling astounds me....

The new clanrats look pretty good too. They are even almost the same size. But the poses are a lot more "dynamic" and probably won't rank up too well.

I've got around 80 older clanrats already though, so I'm good for those.

If they are more dynamic, would it be possible to mix in the old more static ones in between for spacing purposes?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:
WarComm is showing off the new Skaven Jezzail today. Looks pretty spiffy, just needs the correct base for TOW.

Yep its lovely - the stupidity of not cross selling astounds me....

The new clanrats look pretty good too. They are even almost the same size. But the poses are a lot more "dynamic" and probably won't rank up too well.

I've got around 80 older clanrats already though, so I'm good for those.

If they are more dynamic, would it be possible to mix in the old more static ones in between for spacing purposes?

With the 25mm bases, almost assuredly.

That Skaven release is shaping up to be perfectly cross-compatible from what we've seen in the trailer and on WH Community. There has been no AoS-style unit overhaul yet.

 Bonegrinder wrote:


Any MTO I've order have always stated 180 days, no later. So around 6 months or end of October/beginning of November.

Curiously, my 'order processing' email for my Stone Trolls MTO said it will ship within 188 days, rather than the usual 180. I wonder if that's to allow for the upcoming UK warehouse closure?

Also, add me to the 'quietly shocked' basket at the surprisingly reasonable price for this round of MTO stuff, which is tempting me to buy more. Peace through War! Save through Spending!

I just received my Lady Élisse Duchaard and I'm starting to see why it took so long to release.

My copy has a lot of little pieces of the silicone mould stuck to it, and the overall quality of the resin casting isn't as high as most recent minis have been.

For whatever reason, I suspect they've had QC problems with this particular mini.

What you mean RoB, does the cast have gaps or soft details?

Yeah I really want to hear more as its one of the models I'm most excited about getting (though I missed the last order window so I'm waiting for the next casting round)

 Bonegrinder wrote:
What you mean RoB, does the cast have gaps or soft details?

A bit of both, and also a large number of bubbles. The casting gates are also in really awkward places which makes it harder than usual to remove them without damaging the mini. I've been finding small pieces of blue silicone embedded in the resin, which can't be a good sign for longevity of the moulds.

It feels like they've had difficulty getting this mini to "work" properly.

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
I just received my Lady Élisse Duchaard and I'm starting to see why it took so long to release.

My copy has a lot of little pieces of the silicone mould stuck to it, and the overall quality of the resin casting isn't as high as most recent minis have been.

For whatever reason, I suspect they've had QC problems with this particular mini.

Finecast problems are back I guess.... no excuses for any of that.

Yeah that sounds like finecast problems not regular resin problems - at least it shouldn't be finecast

WAIT is it finecast --- please tell me its not finecast

It shouldn’t be finecast…

I saw someone’s trebuchet on Reddit earlier this week and one of the shield icons had a huge hole on it

I’ve only got the Black Orc big boss in the new resin and no issues whatsoever I was careful with assembly and didn’t even have to fill any gaps. I guess it depends on the mini and how many casts have been made already.

It's not Finecast, it's ForgeWorld. It's the same high quality resin all of my recent purchases have been made from, and they were great.

The problem, at least for me, seems to be specific to the design and geometry of this mini.

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
It's not Finecast, it's ForgeWorld. It's the same high quality resin all of my recent purchases have been made from, and they were great.

The problem, at least for me, seems to be specific to the design and geometry of this mini.

Perhaps it's why it took a while to get released. Still a shame though. Thankfully I have a metal Fay Enchantress (though sadly stuck in storage other side of the world) from back in the day. Still, enough pile of shame to keep me busy in the meantime.

My Troll Hag had a bit of blue silicone on it, but the cast was excellent. Nothing like the pain finecast was with its huge amount of sprue gates in awkward places and brittle resin.

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
It's not Finecast, it's ForgeWorld. It's the same high quality resin all of my recent purchases have been made from, and they were great.

The problem, at least for me, seems to be specific to the design and geometry of this mini.

So you believe it might be the sculpt itself and not the mould or casting that is the problem? In either case I'd bring it up with GWs customer service, send them pictures and hopefully they can send you a good replacement.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
So you believe it might be the sculpt itself and not the mould or casting that is the problem? In either case I'd bring it up with GWs customer service, send them pictures and hopefully they can send you a good replacement.

I think so. I've done DIY projects with silicone moulds and casting resins, and sometimes you just get specific shapes and details which are a pain in the butt to cast reliably. I think this mini might be one of those. If others have more luck with it that's great, but I saw someone on Reddit commenting that the fit of the parts wasn't great.

It's possible it took so long to release because they've tried everything and this was the best they could do.

That's interesting, I didn't know that.

Thanks for the warning I'll hold off buying for a while to see if they can fix the defects.

I got several Tomb King Resin models (2 scorpions, Giant, Casket, characters, etc) and I had zero issues...and my little bro got the orc boss on wyvern and also didn't have any problems. Wonder if it was just that model?

That's what I think, RtB believes the shape of the model gave GW some difficulty. DaveC got the Black Orc Big Boss with no problems and my own Troll Hag was great.

Garo posted a picture from Reddit of a Bret Trebuchet with a small gap in it, but that looks easy enough to fill with green stuff.

Despite being shown in promotional images last year, the Lady Élisse Duchaard components are all dated 2024. Every other new Bretonnian release has, to my recollection, been dated 2023.

A kit designed in 2023 would usually be dated 2023, so I think it has to presumed the kit has been modified more recently.

Production problems could certainly explain that.

That's a shame; she's definitely one of the outstanding releases of the range thus far, great sculpt.

Any chance the master for her was traditionally sculpted, so they’re having trouble parting her out for mould pieces? I remember old metal models used to suffer from that a lot.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Any chance the master for her was traditionally sculpted, so they’re having trouble parting her out for mould pieces? I remember old metal models used to suffer from that a lot.

I thought GW was fully 3D designed now. At least for plastics they are, FW could still be using some traditional sculpting, but I'd doubt it. I'd figure GW would want everything done digital today as just part of their normal product workflow.

that would be the problem here, if you use a design optimized for HIPS casting to make a model in classic resin casting, of course it would not work well
and as this one was one of the first more complex new models, they may not have thought about that first

not the first time the 3D printed master shown in promo pictures being different from the production model because they needed to adjust the sculpts (and I guess the designer themself does not know the casting process used when working on the model)

Thing is I'd have thought a model designed for plastics would print more easily with resin than the other way around. Resin can allow undercuts that HIPS can't do at all. So if anything if it were designed for plastic, or by a staffer used too plastics, then it should be easier to print.

Yes and no, if it is a 1 piece model, it would be that way.
But as GW makes puzzles out of their plastic models which is not possible that way with resin were you have less and larger parts and/or cannot split the model up in a certain way as glueing resin together is not as easy as plastic

the other problem is if you want to re-use the mould or not. destroying the silicone to remove the model makes other shapes possible but also increases the costs by a lot

 Overread wrote:
Thing is I'd have thought a model designed for plastics would print more easily with resin than the other way around. Resin can allow undercuts that HIPS can't do at all. So if anything if it were designed for plastic, or by a staffer used too plastics, then it should be easier to print.

That doesn't necessarily follow. Models designed for plastic are, more specifically, designed to be cut up into pieces that can be assembled into a frame layout, and it's the frame layout which needs to work well in terms of moulding. The same model will be cut up very differently if ultimately manufactured using some other process, like resin casting. So, no, a model designed for plastic won't necessarily produce a better 3D print, or be better suited to resin casting. The former depends on factors unique to 3D printing; the latter depends on the pieces into which it is cut up, and how easily mouldable and castable they are. If this particular model is proving difficult to cast reliably, that's unlucky but can happen occasionally – it doesn't indicate anything in particular about how it was designed (other than that issues with moulding it were not able to be corrected at that late stage).

Being a digital sculpt that ends up being a mould-ripper actually tracks pretty well. If the sculptor isn't used to backfilling for resin or metal moulds, there are all sorts of fun little 'fingers' that get made in the mesh where the robe doesn't quite meet the body or there is a gap between the bracer and the forearm. The amount of bootleg Star Wars Legion stls I have fixed for friends is a testament to that. In particular there was a Darth Maul that essentially had a candy shell for knees and lower legs because that area was mostly void. If you actually got a cast of that and then tried to lay it up in a mould for resin, the vacuum or pressure would for sure fill all those fingers and voids and you'd have all kinds of mould rips. You would think that once a master was made, the mould rips would solve themselves and whoever was making the masters would see the rips and backfill those areas, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are printing a new master each time they make a new production mould.

I will say this:

Lady Élisse Duchaard is every bit as beautiful a mini as it looked to be in the previews. And it's less fragile with fewer really delicate parts than many Forgeworld resin minis I've built.

But it takes work. And it really is an "expert" kit.

You can't just file off the mould lines and casting gates, there are areas where you almost have to carve or sculpt replacement detail because the casting gates have obliterated it.

My Stone Trolls arrived today. That was quick. (Ordered after lunch on Saturday.)

For comparison, in the Bretonnian MTO I didn't place my order until the last few days of the window, and it took two months to arrive.

I was surprised to find that the trolls in Set 2 are single-piece minis. I had assumed the heads were separate from the bodies, like Set 1, but apparently not.

I checked my old 90s catalogue and it seems legit--the only ones actually shown to have separate heads were the three sculpts in Set 1.

I'm not bothered at all (in fact it will save me some assembly work). But it's worth keeping in mind if you're planning to put River Troll heads on Stone Troll bodies for a classic Chaos Troll conversion. It would be pretty annoying to wait months for your MTO to arrive only to find that you bought the wrong set of Stone Trolls and now have to hack the heads off ...

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
I will say this:

Lady Élisse Duchaard is every bit as beautiful a mini as it looked to be in the previews. And it's less fragile with fewer really delicate parts than many Forgeworld resin minis I've built.

But it takes work. And it really is an "expert" kit.

You can't just file off the mould lines and casting gates, there are areas where you almost have to carve or sculpt replacement detail because the casting gates have obliterated it.

It is an amazing model. Possibly my favourite sculpt ever. I have to agree though, it's very much an expert model to put together. I also had to almost resculpt some parts after removing the excess materials.
In the end i didn't have much problems with gaps. The one thing that was difficult on that front were the two tail parts. There was a small gap between the two parts, but after painting it it is hardly noticeable.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
My Troll Hag had a bit of blue silicone on it, but the cast was excellent.

But the ones coming out of that mold after yours won't be

I see your point Black Fang, anyone who gets a little extra junk on the trunk of their Troll Hag has my own Hag to blame 😁

@JWh85 & RtB Do you think the resculpting was complex, or could a amature handle it?

 Bonegrinder wrote:
I see your point Black Fang, anyone who gets a little extra junk on the trunk of their Troll Hag has my own Hag to blame 😁

@JWh85 & RtB Do you think the resculpting was complex, or could a amature handle it?

Define 'amature'? You do need some amount of patience.The model is small so it is a bit fiddly. It's not for people who aren't prepared or able to take some time and to stop and think about the construction.
Other than that I would say it's very doable because for all it's faults, i find (Forgeworld)resin a very forgiving material when it comes to reshaping it, like hollowing out bits with excess material.

My golden standard against which i hold every model construction process I've done on GW kits is the old Finecast Mangler Squigs; for my money that is far and away the worst model that GW has ever produced and a rutted nightmare to construct well and keep upright. This doesn't come anywhere near that, at least as far as my particular model was concerned. The quality of resin kits tends to very greatly of course, so can only speak for my own kit.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
@JWh85 & RtB Do you think the resculpting was complex, or could a amature handle it?

It's not complex, at least not to me. But it's frustrating because it shouldn't really be necessary. I feel like they've had problems getting the moulds to fill reliably (it can happen whether you're a tiny boutique company or a huge PLC), so they've been forced to put sprues and vents in places which really aren't ideal.

As JWh85 noted, there are parts like the tail which are a real pain to clean up and get to fit properly. The chances of removing the sprues from the tail pieces without needing to resculpt some of the tail hair is... not good.

Has anyone tried to make a complaint about this? If GW were to send a replacement in those cases, that could be a fine compromise.

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:
@JWh85 & RtB Do you think the resculpting was complex, or could a amature handle it?

It's not complex, at least not to me. But it's frustrating because it shouldn't really be necessary. I feel like they've had problems getting the moulds to fill reliably (it can happen whether you're a tiny boutique company or a huge PLC), so they've been forced to put sprues and vents in places which really aren't ideal.

As JWh85 noted, there are parts like the tail which are a real pain to clean up and get to fit properly. The chances of removing the sprues from the tail pieces without needing to resculpt some of the tail hair is... not good.

Now that i think about it, the worst part of the model was that there was a bit bit of excess resin stretched along the cup in her hand. It was quite difficult te remove and as a result a but from the top of the cup broke of with the excess bit. That was a bit frustrating. As was the tail. Overall though it really isn't that bad. As RtB said, not really difficult at all. Don't let it be a deterrent to buy the model!

Honestly, I'm not sure replacements would be any better.

I really do think this is a problem with the design of this particular mini, and the only thing that could make it better is a redesign.

Is anyone aware of GW redesigning a mini *after* it has been released?

Maybe not really what you're thinking of and definitely not soon after release, but they did release new versions of old (2001-2003) FW Tau aircraft (Tiger Shark and Barracudea) around 2016, and they released a new version of the infamously huge Imperial Fists Tartaros Praetor in the last year or two.

Probably instances of lost/severely damaged molds.

Considering chaos dwarves will probably look as different from their fantasy version as the normal dwarves do now in old world -_- I'm going to wait for either ratmen, lizardmen or beastmen for whatever army I'm going to focus on.

I'm done hoping for reliving the good old days.

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
Honestly, I'm not sure replacements would be any better.

I really do think this is a problem with the design of this particular mini, and the only thing that could make it better is a redesign.

Is anyone aware of GW redesigning a mini *after* it has been released?

The great beast of gorgoroth was redesigned after release as the beast itself just wouldn't fit together properly after the original release.

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:
@JWh85 & RtB Do you think the resculpting was complex, or could a amature handle it?

It's not complex, at least not to me. But it's frustrating because it shouldn't really be necessary. I feel like they've had problems getting the moulds to fill reliably (it can happen whether you're a tiny boutique company or a huge PLC), so they've been forced to put sprues and vents in places which really aren't ideal.

As JWh85 noted, there are parts like the tail which are a real pain to clean up and get to fit properly. The chances of removing the sprues from the tail pieces without needing to resculpt some of the tail hair is... not good.

They need to hand it over to whoever has been parting out the newer Blood Bowl star players for resin, because they have all been fantastic to put together without sacrificing detail…

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:The great beast of gorgoroth was redesigned after release as the beast itself just wouldn't fit together properly after the original release.

Thanks, that is a really good example and sounds like it had a similar problem.

Mr_Rose wrote:They need to hand it over to whoever has been parting out the newer Blood Bowl star players for resin, because they have all been fantastic to put together without sacrificing detail…

I have two of the new resin Handmaidens, two of the resin Questing Knight Paladin, and also the two resin Standard Bearers. All are fantastic. Easy to clean up, good fit, etc. Brilliant minis. Maybe I was spoiled by how easy those are to put together, because Lady Élisse is just... not the same.

 Bonegrinder wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:
Holy smokes, I just got a dispatch notice for my MTO Orcs & Goblins. I wasn't expecting to receive anything till the end of the year.

GW normally estimates something around 3 months for MTO - end of year would be shockingly bad.

Any MTO I've order have always stated 180 days, no later. So around 6 months or end of October/beginning of November.

That's not same as what gw neccessarily estimates but more of worst case. If you don't know how long it might take better give late and have "got sooner than expected" than reverse

Havent heard many times 6 months actually taking but few. Imagine how they would feel if they had said 90 days...

Zenithfleet wrote:


For comparison, in the Bretonnian MTO I didn't place my order until the last few days of the window, and it took two months to arrive.

I'm still waiting to receive mine. I ordered min on Monday so day 3 of the made to order window and it's been more than 3 months. I've only ordered 2 items via made to order and both have taken 4+ months to arrive. I ordered Rogue Trader 10 minutes after it went online for sale and it still took just over 4 months. I don't have the luck to get stuff quickly and I think the US gets their items after the U.K. Just because it's easier to produce and ship things locally.

boyd wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:


For comparison, in the Bretonnian MTO I didn't place my order until the last few days of the window, and it took two months to arrive.

I'm still waiting to receive mine. I ordered min on Monday so day 3 of the made to order window and it's been more than 3 months. I've only ordered 2 items via made to order and both have taken 4+ months to arrive. I ordered Rogue Trader 10 minutes after it went online for sale and it still took just over 4 months. I don't have the luck to get stuff quickly and I think the US gets their items after the U.K. Just because it's easier to produce and ship things locally.

Made to Order for printed items (books, the Cursed City expansion) I think are inevitably going to take longer – almost certainly what they do is wait until the MTO closes, then order a print run of the required size. With the miniature MTOs, it's obvious they have some stock ready to go at the start, so some orders are filled immediately while the others get filled gradually over the next few weeks and months.

How did you lucky fellows guys manage to purchase Elise Duchaard?

I'd sure like one, but since buying from GW isn't "the hobby" for me I haven't been able to purchase any of the things I wanted to.

They didn't forget the GW pre-order time and got there before they all vanished

Yeah. In the UK the pre-order window officially opens at 10:00am, but usually the new minis are actually up on the website by 9:55am.

I had Elisse ordered by 9:57am.

It's that simple. Be there early and order quickly.

It's as simple as being there before the product goes on sale, and getting lucky in being allowed to purchase one, which will then probably be poorly cast anyway. Hobbies!

It's pretty embarrassing for GW that their QC is so poor, given the massive prices they charge for individual minis.

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
Yeah. In the UK the pre-order window officially opens at 10:00am, but usually the new minis are actually up on the website by 9:55am.

I had Elisse ordered by 9:57am.

It's that simple. Be there early and order quickly.

I still consider myself lucky that I was able to grab the Brettonian Lord with Great Weapon; he's been out of stock forever.

How was that model when you had it in your hands, Kid? I know it caught a lot of flak when it was revealed.

That’s a great paint job, looks phenomenal

 Dysartes wrote:
How was that model when you had it in your hands, Kid? I know it caught a lot of flak when it was revealed.

Rogue Hobbies on Youtube did a video to see if she could "redeem" that mini.
Turns out, she couldn't.

Dysartes wrote:How was that model when you had it in your hands, Kid? I know it caught a lot of flak when it was revealed.

Honestly, it was intimidating. I had him primed and put on my custom basing for a 2 weeks before deciding to tackle the paint job. I mean, I knew I wanted to do red, white, & blue for the one particular nation in my miniature-based fantasy webcomic. Once I finally got some base-coat colors down, he was a very relaxing, enjoyable project. I like that the character is a throwback to the sculpting style of when I got drawn into GW in the 90's. I didn't realize the sword arm would be a separate piece and I am very thankful it was. I was expecting a solid chunk of pewter with big areas that couldn't be undercut.

I can see some people being disappointed compared to the FW paladins, but for me it was like finding an old Games Day mini or like finding buried treasure.

nathan2004 wrote:That’s a great paint job, looks phenomenal

Thank you! He was fun. The hard part was choosing what colors to put where before starting.

I get that they didnt bother to release the Bretonnian footlord back when they sculpted him. Were you supposed to put him in a unit of peasant footmen? The insolence!

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I like that the character is a throwback to the sculpting style of when I got drawn into GW in the 90's. I didn't realize the sword arm would be a separate piece and I am very thankful it was. I was expecting a solid chunk of pewter with big areas that couldn't be undercut.

I can see some people being disappointed compared to the FW paladins, but for me it was like finding an old Games Day mini or like finding buried treasure.

That's exactly how I feel. The unreleased (now-released!) Lord is goofy and I love it for the goofiness.

I can see why some people *don't* like it, but I'm definitely not one of them.

 Fayric wrote:
I get that they didnt bother to release the Bretonnian footlord back when they sculpted him. Were you supposed to put him in a unit of peasant footmen? The insolence!

The prevailing theory is that he was supposed to be an event miniature but Games Day stopped being a thing then End Times effectively killed Bretonnia.

So he had been sitting on a shelf for like 12 years.

We don't need theories, we were told about it in the o original article announcing it:

“He was made in modelling putty with sculpting tools (dental tools). I had wanted to do a Lord on foot as all of our knight models were mounted. He was intended to be a Games Day exclusive miniature, but in the end, another of my models replaced him, the Exalted Hero of Chaos at Games Day 2009.”

Vorian wrote:
We don't need theories, we were told about it in the o original article announcing it:

“He was made in modelling putty with sculpting tools (dental tools). I had wanted to do a Lord on foot as all of our knight models were mounted. He was intended to be a Games Day exclusive miniature, but in the end, another of my models replaced him, the Exalted Hero of Chaos at Games Day 2009.”

I'm fairly sure when this was slated for release you could already use the Virtue of Empathy(?) to allow them to join a peasant unit on foot (as in TOW).

So, I just had an email from GW informing me that Lady Eisse Duchaard is back in stock. Great!

I immediately went to the site to order one, but it was already sold out.

Why is this model getting scalped so hard?


Edit: I just had another email from GW, half an hour after the previous one, again telling me that the model is back in stock.

So I immediately went to the site to check, unfortunately it's out of stock again

Edit#2 : I had a third "back in stock notification", this time I was able to buy

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
So, I just had an email from GW informing me that Lady Eisse Duchaard is back in stock. Great!

I immediately went to the site to order one, but it was already sold out.

Why is this model getting scalped so hard?


Edit: I just had another email from GW, half an hour after the previous one, again telling me that the model is back in stock.

So I immediately went to the site to check, unfortunately it's out of stock again

I had something similar happen with the reference cards couple weeks ago. I even contacted Support to find out what was going on; turns out it’s a glitch where the update notifications get sent out before the site actually updates, by like 12 hours or something. I just try again in a couple hours see how it goes.

And got her ordered too! Along with a bottle of paint for free postage

I'd like to apologise to everyone in advance for this ...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
So, I just had an email from GW informing me that Lady Eisse Duchaard is back in stock. Great!

I immediately went to the site to order one, but it was already sold out.

Why is this model getting scalped so hard?


Edit: I just had another email from GW, half an hour after the previous one, again telling me that the model is back in stock.

So I immediately went to the site to check, unfortunately it's out of stock again

Edit#2 : I had a third "back in stock notification", this time I was able to buy

"Everyone said I was daft for not buying a Lady Elisse Duchaard the instant she went up on the site. But I got GW to send me an email, just to show 'em! That mini went out of stock. So I got a second email! That mini went out of stock. So I got a third email! That mini broke the mould, fell over and then went out of stock. But the fourth mini stayed in my basket. And that's what you're going to get, lad. She's beautiful, she's expensive, she's got huge ... tracts of silicone mould debris ..."

Casket is back in stock on the US webstore.

Marauder and Stone/River trolls I'm not seeing anymore on the US webstore...assuming that means they sold out of the stock they produced and aren't making anymore.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
So, I just had an email from GW informing me that Lady Eisse Duchaard is back in stock. Great!

I immediately went to the site to order one, but it was already sold out.

Why is this model getting scalped so hard?


Edit: I just had another email from GW, half an hour after the previous one, again telling me that the model is back in stock.

So I immediately went to the site to check, unfortunately it's out of stock again

Edit#2 : I had a third "back in stock notification", this time I was able to buy

Same here. Didn't trust the site to be completely up to date so just refreshed a few times after getting the stock notification and it showed as being available.

Zenithfleet wrote:
I'd like to apologise to everyone in advance for this ...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
So, I just had an email from GW informing me that Lady Eisse Duchaard is back in stock. Great!

I immediately went to the site to order one, but it was already sold out.

Why is this model getting scalped so hard?


Edit: I just had another email from GW, half an hour after the previous one, again telling me that the model is back in stock.

So I immediately went to the site to check, unfortunately it's out of stock again

Edit#2 : I had a third "back in stock notification", this time I was able to buy

"Everyone said I was daft for not buying a Lady Elisse Duchaard the instant she went up on the site. But I got GW to send me an email, just to show 'em! That mini went out of stock. So I got a second email! That mini went out of stock. So I got a third email! That mini broke the mould, fell over and then went out of stock. But the fourth mini stayed in my basket. And that's what you're going to get, lad. She's beautiful, she's expensive, she's got huge ... tracts of silicone mould debris ..."

This just reads like rambling nonsense to me, lad

So, erm, two pro-wrestlers signed to AEW are doing a livestream of new AoS on GW’s Twitch Channel on Thursday.

This is just surreal to me 🤣🤣

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, erm, two pro-wrestlers signed to AEW are doing a livestream of new AoS on GW’s Twitch Channel on Thursday.

This is just surreal to me 🤣🤣

There's a decent overlap in the fandoms. GW also posted about Shayna Baszler(known for her Warhammer themed wrestling outfits) when she visited Nottingham HQ.

 nathan2004 wrote:

Marauder and Stone/River trolls I'm not seeing anymore on the US webstore...assuming that means they sold out of the stock they produced and aren't making anymore.

They were a limited time order ending today 13th May

All of these items will be Made to Order products available to order from 10am local time on Saturday the 4th of May until 8AM BST on Monday the 13th of May. They can take up to 180 days to ship.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, erm, two pro-wrestlers signed to AEW are doing a livestream of new AoS on GW’s Twitch Channel on Thursday.

This is just surreal to me 🤣🤣

Weird (but very cool). Which ones?

Edit, never mind, I just read the article. Kip Sabian and Claudio

 nathan2004 wrote:
Marauder and Stone/River trolls I'm not seeing anymore on the US webstore...assuming that means they sold out of the stock they produced and aren't making anymore.

Or the MTO period they announced had ended.

You’ll be able to watch a special exhibition match of Spearhead between the AEW wrestlers Kip Sabian and Claudio Castagnoli, who will be playing as Skaven and Stormcast Eternals. This will be the first ever live game of Spearhead, and it’s sure to be an absolute treat.

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
Marauder and Stone/River trolls I'm not seeing anymore on the US webstore...assuming that means they sold out of the stock they produced and aren't making anymore.

Or the MTO period they announced had ended.

Didn't realize it was that short, skimmed right over that reading it initially. Thank you!

Yeah MTO periods are short - 1-2 weeks are common. It's one reason I dislike them because they are very much FOMO because a good many MTO things never cycle back or if they do its years between cycles with no clear message if they will or won't return.

Books or models its a pain when there's a MTO that you miss out on because of finances; budgeting or just not being around or interested in the theme at that exact moment in time.

Was there a date mentioned for the dwarf release? My Grombrindal order apparently takes 190 days (lol), but what about the regular releases?

Yeah tbh I skipped the Trolls even though I was posting here about being interested in them and they were actually pretty reasonably priced, because I'm on paternity leave and there was a paperwork issue and the money didn't come in. Now, I have savings, not badly off at all or I wouldn't be considering stuff like this at all, but a luxury purchase with no income this month seemed irresponsible to me so I decided to give it a miss.
To be honest there's a belligerent part of me that just doesn't like FOMO stuff and if I feel that getting it's hooks into me, I'm pretty likely to just say no.

 Overread wrote:
Yeah MTO periods are short - 1-2 weeks are common. It's one reason I dislike them because they are very much FOMO because a good many MTO things never cycle back or if they do its years between cycles with no clear message if they will or won't return.

Aye, especially with the Old World sets there's really no precedent informing us of what to expect. Would imagine the recent sets won't be available for quite some time, with several more armies to see their (re-)releases first, but whether they'll regularly cycle in afterwards or won't ever come back is anyone's guess. (And GW have quite possibly not yet decided it themselves this far in advance either.)

I know what you mean about the Belligerent part when you know that you can "kind of" afford something MTO but really shouldn't. Or if its something like infantry where you could get one box easily enough but not enough to make a whole proper army/force from them.

Yeah any sniff of FOMO gets insta ban from my list. I don't need the sense of urgency in my hobby life, thank you sir.
Old world is an attention grab that aims many old collectors, nostalgia etc... adding FOMO yeah is not cool at all.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Old world is an attention grab that aims many old collectors, nostalgia etc... adding FOMO yeah is not cool at all.

I'd bet those Total War games have bought them some new blood too.

As for made to order, It would be nice if they would licence the models to another company kinda like they did with Armorcast back in the 90s, but with oop minis instead of large scale model concepts.

But I guess that means they couldn't reach unto their back pocket for a slow release week...
and they'd have to share

I have the opposite reaction to Made to Order. I much prefer it to GW's usual modern sales method for new releases.

With most of their new stuff, you have to be ready and waiting on the webstore at exactly the right second of the minute of the hour of the release day, or the item you want will sell out and you'll have to wait months for it to show up again, or else pay scalpers' prices. Especially since they seem to make a habit of under-producing so that they can be sure they'll sell through all their stock. It's not quite "queuing overnight in the rain waiting for the video game shop to open", but it's mentally stressful. I did it exactly once long ago (for Space Hulk 3rd edition) and vowed never to do it again.

But with Made to Order, you get a nice comfy span of about a week in which you can place an order at your leisure. The minis might take months to arrive, but there's no stock limit, so you're guaranteed a purchase if you so choose.

I knew I wanted Stone Trolls (having loved those minis for decades), but was on the fence about the Marauder Giant. The MTO window gave me time to mull it over.

By the standards of other companies it's still FOMO, but by GW standards it's practically civilised.


Also ...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
I'd like to apologise to everyone in advance for this ...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
So, I just had an email from GW informing me that Lady Eisse Duchaard is back in stock. Great!

I immediately went to the site to order one, but it was already sold out.

Why is this model getting scalped so hard?


Edit: I just had another email from GW, half an hour after the previous one, again telling me that the model is back in stock.

So I immediately went to the site to check, unfortunately it's out of stock again

Edit#2 : I had a third "back in stock notification", this time I was able to buy

"Everyone said I was daft for not buying a Lady Elisse Duchaard the instant she went up on the site. But I got GW to send me an email, just to show 'em! That mini went out of stock. So I got a second email! That mini went out of stock. So I got a third email! That mini broke the mould, fell over and then went out of stock. But the fourth mini stayed in my basket. And that's what you're going to get, lad. She's beautiful, she's expensive, she's got huge ... tracts of silicone mould debris ..."

This just reads like rambling nonsense to me, lad

You're on a wargaming site, you're talking about a Bretonnian mini and you have a British flag in your profile. I just assumed you'd get the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82CqjaDKmA

Zenithfleet wrote:

But with Made to Order, you get a nice comfy span of about a week in which you can place an order at your leisure. The minis might take months to arrive, but there's no stock limit, so you're guaranteed a purchase if you so choose.

Not entirely true. Mostly true, but not quite.

The Morathi mini made to order was pulled early around mid week, and they would not return the model for sale on the MTO after that. Not everyone that had already ordered received it either.

If you order early you tend to get yours quicker as they tend to have limited stock cast up at start anyway. This means if you have an issue with a model like it doesn't arrive or its miscast/mispacked then you have a chance of them replacing it within the MTO window. Outside the MTO window they will often just refund. People have recently reported the Bretonnian MTO having gone missing or not being sent and having been refunded as GW won't recast them.

They missed a MTO book run of mine and it was only by luck that they found a set of books in warhammer world and were able to send them out three months outside of the due date of the run.

Their MTOs are just as unreliable as their other items, it just has a more unique sales pitch than regular items. (As in... its removed from the webstore after a week, rather than languishing as a 'always out of stock' item in the old world section forever more.)

The morathi situation is not common - the mould broke and GW didn't have means/resources to invest to restore the model so it got pulled from sale.

 Overread wrote:
The morathi situation is not common - the mould broke and GW didn't have means/resources to invest to restore the model so it got pulled from sale.

GW Dont have means/resources?

Presumably the master was lost or damaged, so they couldn't make a new mould easily.

Exactly, if the master is damaged or lost they'd have to remake the model. Meanwhile if the mould broke so fully then there is a cost attached to that and that cost might have been more than GW wanted ot invest for the potential profit of one MTO run.

Zenithfleet wrote:

You're on a wargaming site, you're talking about a Bretonnian mini and you have a British flag in your profile. I just assumed you'd get the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82CqjaDKmA

Oof, my bad, sorry. I was never into Monty Python

 Overread wrote:
Exactly, if the master is damaged or lost they'd have to remake the model. Meanwhile if the mould broke so fully then there is a cost attached to that and that cost might have been more than GW wanted ot invest for the potential profit of one MTO run.

It usually wouldn't be quite that severe. The 'master' usually refers to the master mould or master castings, rather than the original master model (which GW is very much less likely to still have in their possession anyway – long ago, designers used to keep them, as evidenced by occasional private sales, and many would have been damaged in the original mould-making process anyway). What happens is that the original master model (or 'green') is used to make a master mould. That is used to make a number of master castings, and the masting castings are used to make a production mould, before being stored away. When the production mould breaks, the master castings are used to make a new production mould. If the master castings are lost or damaged, the master mould is used to make more master castings. Master castings can also be used to make a new (second generation) master mould. There will be some loss of fidelity over the course of this process but it's minimal, since the master moulds and master castings are used a minimal number of times.

With Morathi, it was most likely the production mould which broke. It's probably the case that it can be remade, but perhaps not easily or quickly if the master castings were stored in a deep archive, possibly off-site, or in poorly organised storage, where they would be difficult to find. Some of the WarCom articles about the Old World Made to Orders suggest this is the case, so GW perhaps just wasn't confident they could find the master castings, or master mould, and make a new production mould and then resume production within the time frame for the Made to Order window. Making new moulds would once have been routine for GW but they make barely any models in metal nowadays, so capacity for the mould-making part of the process is probably pretty low.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

You're on a wargaming site, you're talking about a Bretonnian mini and you have a British flag in your profile. I just assumed you'd get the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82CqjaDKmA

Oof, my bad, sorry. I was never into Monty Python

"We've found a witch! May we burn them?"

So I got my Lady Elisse and first thoughts

1) The resin feels slightly different. Firmer, smoother and closer to what I've experienced with Creature Caster resin than some earlier FW resins. This is a subtle change but it feels different.

2) I've looked the parts over and I don't see ANY rubber mould parts or anything on the model. I can't see any degraded details either - it all honestly looks really well cast.

3) The only area I'd look down on is that the gating appears a little wild - some very thick gates here and there. There's also that standard thin layer of resin here and there that's easy to clean off



Honestly looks well cast, though I've not got to full cleanup and assembly stage.

 Overread wrote:
So I got my Lady Elisse and first thoughts

1) The resin feels slightly different. Firmer, smoother and closer to what I've experienced with Creature Caster resin than some earlier FW resins. This is a subtle change but it feels different.

2) I've looked the parts over and I don't see ANY rubber mould parts or anything on the model. I can't see any degraded details either - it all honestly looks really well cast.

3) The only area I'd look down on is that the gating appears a little wild - some very thick gates here and there. There's also that standard thin layer of resin here and there that's easy to clean off



Honestly looks well cast, though I've not got to full cleanup and assembly stage.

This is reassuring, thanks for the insight. I've steered clear of resin minis for quite a while now as I've found a happy place with HIPS and various Tamiya cements to bodge my models together. Any recommendations for glues that work well with resins these days? Cheers!

Any superglue should do the trick.

Just be sure to score the join surfaces with a blade tip/scalpel. The scoring increases the bond strength and also makes the supeglue go tacky and hold parts together very fast.

Otherwise if its two really flat surfaces that bond it takes a good while for the superglue to hold on.

Note you do still make sure the join surfaces fit as smooth and flush as possible, then score them.

 Overread wrote:
So I got my Lady Elisse and first thoughts

1) The resin feels slightly different. Firmer, smoother and closer to what I've experienced with Creature Caster resin than some earlier FW resins. This is a subtle change but it feels different.

2) I've looked the parts over and I don't see ANY rubber mould parts or anything on the model. I can't see any degraded details either - it all honestly looks really well cast.

3) The only area I'd look down on is that the gating appears a little wild - some very thick gates here and there. There's also that standard thin layer of resin here and there that's easy to clean off



Honestly looks well cast, though I've not got to full cleanup and assembly stage.

I'm glad yours is okay.

My biggest complaint by far was the size and position of the casting gates; if you had to pick the WORST positions for a casting gate, this mini has one in pretty much every single one of those positions. I can laugh about it now, and the mini is fantastic, but it made me want to tear my hair out.

Yeah one hoof of mine has got a clipped hoof from the cleanup - easy to fix - but I agree huge gates.

Though not the worst - I reserve that right now for some of the Dropfleet/zone models (and I really hate typing that as I think they've fantastic designs, but yeah their casting is questionable - as is some design choices like putting lots of ridges and spines on the mould line!

The AoS Skaven preview( pre-preview?) is up, and I have to say they look pretty damn good. The Warlock Engineer and the Jezzails are particularly tasty.

Just about everything could work for TOW, straight up. Use the Ratling Warp Blaster as a Warp Lightning Cannon. The only thing that doesn't have at least a "counts as" is the Warlord on Gnaw-beast. No cavalry mounts for Skaven. Although, ISTR that in one of the Skaven Army books there was an option for mutated giant rat, alongside the litter and Rat Ogre mounts.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/17/drown-the-mortal-realms-in-the-skaventide-gnawing-through-to-newaos/

I just wonder if they are going to sell the forces separately as well. I really don't have any interest in playing AoS.

Absolutely. They are surprisingly restrained and mostly faithful recreations of the old designs. I'll definitely put them on squares.

edit: oops wrong thread

I wonder how many TOW players will hunt for Skaven part of that new AoS box?

 BertBert wrote:
Absolutely. They are surprisingly restrained and mostly faithful recreations of the old designs. I'll definitely put them on squares.

Even GW is wise enough to know not to mess with perfection! (And to finally update severe imperfection, RE: Rat Ogres. )

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
Absolutely. They are surprisingly restrained and mostly faithful recreations of the old designs. I'll definitely put them on squares.

Even GW is wise enough to know not to mess with perfection! (And to finally update severe imperfection, RE: Rat Ogres. )

The two rat ogres from island of blood at least were nice

When is the next army expected? I was really hoping to have Dwarfs in hand by start of July.

O&G preview was 20th Jan and pre order was 23rd March

Dwarfs we're previewed 21st March, so I would guess pre order is due any weekend now.

I wonder will they now wait until the price increase in June has come into effect.

I really hope they will allow full Slayer army with Ungrim. Ofc, old slayer models are ugly as hell, but there are way better replacements.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I wonder how many TOW players will hunt for Skaven part of that new AoS box?

A lot, probably, it's 1000 points for ToW on the skaven side if you call the new artillery piece a warp lightning cannon, two boxes and you have an army.

Mounted character is the only thing that's tricky, could be unit filler or maybe take the rider off and call it a hellpit.

Heck I'll grab the Skaven half for Kings of War.

 Del Mingus wrote:
I wonder will they now wait until the price increase in June has come into effect.

In the past GW wasn't shy about rolling upcoming price hikes into new releases as early as two months before the date of the general increase. This year's increase has been announced and is imminent. It shouldn't figure into when Dwarfs are released. If they come before June 10, they'll just be more expensive a week or two earlier than the rest of GW's catalogue.

scarletsquig wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I wonder how many TOW players will hunt for Skaven part of that new AoS box?

A lot, probably, it's 1000 points for ToW on the skaven side if you call the new artillery piece a warp lightning cannon, two boxes and you have an army.

Mounted character is the only thing that's tricky, could be unit filler or maybe take the rider off and call it a hellpit.

There’s a chance it could be proxied as that old fw giant rat mount too. Though I doubt it has rules now

 GaroRobe wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I wonder how many TOW players will hunt for Skaven part of that new AoS box?

A lot, probably, it's 1000 points for ToW on the skaven side if you call the new artillery piece a warp lightning cannon, two boxes and you have an army.

Mounted character is the only thing that's tricky, could be unit filler or maybe take the rider off and call it a hellpit.

There’s a chance it could be proxied as that old fw giant rat mount too. Though I doubt it has rules now

It doesn't have rules sadly, otherwise I think a lot of people would do exactly that.

Any guesses to what old models they might do MTO for in the future? There's been some surprises (at least to me), so maybe there's going to be some rarities or unusual things, like spear dwarfs?

I'm absolutely sure that they've spent some time digging through the archives to pick out a few oddities alongside the classic gems. MTO is already usually a little niche or indulgent, and The Old World iisn't going to make it any less so.

But as for actual, solid guesses? I dunno. It's easier to just wishlist things because it kinda seems like any well-liked metal miniature from before the turn of the millenium has at least some odds.

I'm rather hoping we might see a release of the Empire War Wagon, either MTO or otherwise.