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 kodos wrote:


Looking at the casket, catapult and giant they are kind of reasonable for what they are, chunky resin models most likely made in traditional silicone moulds
(comparing it to the Mantic Frost Giant, which is twice the size and only partially resin, and costs 80€, the resin Giant from Conquest also double the site costs 140€)

The casket and catapult have more pieces, more volume of resin, more models, and are frankly way more detailed. Less than $80 cad for those is a reasonable price; the bone giant isn't. I don't need to compare it to other companies because I can compare it to other stuff from its own range.

But let's do it anyways.

The conquest giant is way bigger than the GW one. It's also....explicitly a collectors version. This means that it has a really high amount of detail and isn't the default buy game piece, so is priced accordingly. The default game piece is 65 USD/Euro (and also huge), while the bone giant is 78 USD. Like, both these conquest models are comparable to GW mega gargants in size.

The mantic giant is...almost exactly in the same boat. It's highly detailed, almost double the size of the bone giant, and theres a much cheaper plastic giant that's also the same height.

Like let's be real. GW isn't using resin to leverage it's higher detail level; they're using resin because it's cheaper for them as a material in those moulds over metal, and way cheaper to ship. If any of those other companies made the bone giant it'd be in plastic and like, a third of the price. If they did it in resin it'd be half the price.


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 ShadowsAndDust wrote:
From what I gather, GW's pricing model relates to how many you can field in an army. GW figures that they won't sell as many of certain models if one is only allowed in an army, so they jack the price way up.

And yet, is still wildly inconsistent.

Apophas is 24 cad for an infantry hero, nekaph is 50 cad for an infantry hero.

The catapult is limited in army list construction to 2/1000 and is 72 cad. The casket is limited to 1/1000 and is 77 cad. The bone giant has no limit, and can even be picked in the special slot, and is 96 cad.

What else? The metal trolls that are 2 for 50 cad and are in the special/core slot, while the ushabti are 3 for 96 cad and are...in the special/core slot.

Wonder what the next release is after Dwarves...Bad guy army right?

Hoping for WoC! But probably Bad Guys, yeah.

 rybackstun wrote:
Hoping for WoC! But probably Bad Guys, yeah.

I see what you did there.

With BoC having just been in production anyway, feels like the easiest one to do if there was joined up thinking going on.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Wonder what the next release is after Dwarves...Bad guy army right?

There have been a few mentions somewhere that it might be Empire, and that Empire effectively counts as "both sides" of the good/bad split so far because of the civil war.

If we look at the past releases it could be woodelves-beastmen or
empire-chaos and the highelves as a single release.

Orcs & Goblins Made-to-order next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/28/sunday-preview-white-dwarf-500-and-legions-imperialis-hardware/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sudaypreview&utm_content=sundaypreview280424

Marauder Orc Shaman on Wyvern
Marauder Giant
Black Orc Boss
Stone Trolls (Two sets)
River Trolls

They're all metal too...So now I see Marauder is attached to the Wyvern Shaman model too. Is that not just a way to describe the unique giant? Or is it something else?


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Also there is soooooooo much character in those trolls. Something you don't really see nowadays with computer design imo.

 nathan2004 wrote:
They're all metal too...So now I see Marauder is attached to the Wyvern Shaman model too. Is that not just a way to describe the unique giant? Or is it something else?


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Also there is soooooooo much character in those trolls. Something you don't really see nowadays with computer design imo.

Marauder was a separate company:

"Formed by Ally and Trish Morrison. They set up as a separate company in 1988, announced in WD106. The exact reason for forming a separate company is unclear, but may may been to establish multiple brands, or to keep personalities apart!

Their miniatures were cast and distributed by Citadel alongside the normal Citadel ranges, although at one time they were using the Wargames Foundry facilities. Later miniatures were also designed by Colin Dixon. They were reabsorbed back into the main Citadel ranges in 1993, about the same time that the 4th edition of Warhammer was launched. The last distinct Marauder advert is in WD152, after that they are shown in the normal White Dwarf catalog section. They continue to be listed in the catalogs as Marauder Miniatures until the 1994 catalog, and miniatures marked on the tab as Marauder continued to appear for several years. "

Thanks I didn't know that about the company and the split/reabsorption.

This is going to get awfully expensive because I want all of them.

I loved many of these models at the time, and bought several of them, but I can't say that they've held up that well. The old metal sculpts do have a lot of character, it's true, but the plastics look pretty crude. Clearly I'm in a minority, however - GW made a good decision going after the nostalgia dollar. I suppose there is some cost involved in refurbishing the old moulds and doing some new packaging, but it still looks like easy money to me.

I had never seen those river trolls before but I fell in love immediately


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 Snord wrote:
I loved many of these models at the time, and bought several of them, but I can't say that they've held up that well. The old metal sculpts do have a lot of character, it's true, but the plastics look pretty crude. Clearly I'm in a minority, however - GW made a good decision going after the nostalgia dollar. I suppose there is some cost involved in refurbishing the old moulds and doing some new packaging, but it still looks like easy money to me.

For me it's the other way around. I came to the hobby because of lotr and always found Warhammer and 40K miniatures very crude and goofy. Nowadays they've grown on me. Still not on par with lotr from the same time of course, but I get the appeal. And for many things proper comparable plastics are still rare, especially since GW went overpriced monoposes that don’t work in larger units.

Finally the Marauder Giant! Also I have all but one of those Stone Trolls. Not sure if they are being made to order in groups or singles but I have a need to complete my collection!

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Finally the Marauder Giant! Also I have all but one of those Stone Trolls. Not sure if they are being made to order in groups or singles but I have a need to complete my collection!

I'm guessing two different groups of three will be how the stone trolls go on sale.

The original article said 2 sets of three.

If they're under 20 euro a pop I suppose it's alright. I'd find it hard to stomach 60 euro for three of them - though I seem to recall that was the price toward the end of Warhammer Fantasy, which is why I never got more than one of each type.

They were €20 per troll 14 years ago, I doubt they'll be that cheap now. I'm happy if they're even Ushabti price.

Dang...well, buying 3 is still probably a better deal than the prices for individual ones that go on Ebay.

I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

Going by Ushabti prices the Stone Trolls won't much better than eBay, but I'll be getting them. To me they're quintessential Warhammer, full of character and fun, up there with steam tanks, night goblins fanatics and Skaven.

What I don't understand is why the Stone Trolls aren't apart of the permanent range. They were the face of mail order of decades.

The giant holds up to this day, river trolls have grown on me, I love serpentine wyvern and the black orc boss is really neat.

 Snord wrote:
I loved many of these models at the time, and bought several of them, but I can't say that they've held up that well. The old metal sculpts do have a lot of character, it's true, but the plastics look pretty crude. Clearly I'm in a minority, however - GW made a good decision going after the nostalgia dollar. I suppose there is some cost involved in refurbishing the old moulds and doing some new packaging, but it still looks like easy money to me.

I find that I like the wording of the rules for the latest ruleset much better than 8th, so I am happy to grab the official rules. (Also, keeping an open mind about Kings of War, One Page Rules and Dragon Rampant).

However, as far as the actual minis, I did buy the Bret set to get me started, but because of price/asthetics I've strayed from GW. I've been 3D printing (elves, Brets) or buying preprinted off Etsy, as I like a lot of the modern looks 3rd party creators have made - especially those like Highland Miniatures & Monstrous Encounters. I'm even picking up some units that don't specifically exist in WHFB, but could easily make stats for them (hard part is really figuring points value).

WHFB is pretty generic fantasy, there's a lot of other creators making better minis for less than GW.

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

 Stormonu wrote:

I find that I like the wording of the rules for the latest ruleset much better than 8th, so I am happy to grab the official rules. (Also, keeping an open mind about Kings of War, One Page Rules and Dragon Rampant).

However, as far as the actual minis, I did buy the Bret set to get me started, but because of price/asthetics I've strayed from GW. I've been 3D printing (elves, Brets) or buying preprinted off Etsy, as I like a lot of the modern looks 3rd party creators have made - especially those like Highland Miniatures & Monstrous Encounters. I'm even picking up some units that don't specifically exist in WHFB, but could easily make stats for them (hard part is really figuring points value).

WHFB is pretty generic fantasy, there's a lot of other creators making better minis for less than GW.

I respect what you said here but in my experience 3d printing is pretty hit or miss. My little bro is starting O&G and had Black Orcs and Boar Boars 3d printed and while the boars turned out okay, the Black Orcs turned out horrible despite looking okay in pics. Also I played a wood elf player yesterday that 3d printed the Ranger dudes (the ones with great weapons) and he was breaking arms and models left and right throughout the game not from dropping them or anything, just touching them. He ended up finding someone in the community to buy the legit models from.

 nathan2004 wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

I find that I like the wording of the rules for the latest ruleset much better than 8th, so I am happy to grab the official rules. (Also, keeping an open mind about Kings of War, One Page Rules and Dragon Rampant).

However, as far as the actual minis, I did buy the Bret set to get me started, but because of price/asthetics I've strayed from GW. I've been 3D printing (elves, Brets) or buying preprinted off Etsy, as I like a lot of the modern looks 3rd party creators have made - especially those like Highland Miniatures & Monstrous Encounters. I'm even picking up some units that don't specifically exist in WHFB, but could easily make stats for them (hard part is really figuring points value).

WHFB is pretty generic fantasy, there's a lot of other creators making better minis for less than GW.

I respect what you said here but in my experience 3d printing is pretty hit or miss. My little bro is starting O&G and had Black Orcs and Boar Boars 3d printed and while the boars turned out okay, the Black Orcs turned out horrible despite looking okay in pics. Also I played a wood elf player yesterday that 3d printed the Ranger dudes (the ones with great weapons) and he was breaking arms and models left and right throughout the game not from dropping them or anything, just touching them. He ended up finding someone in the community to buy the legit models from.

3D printing is certainly far from "plug and play" levels of ease of use. The wrong resin, the wrong curing, badly designed parts and more can all result in issues. Not to mention poor calibration in the market means even "merchants" on stores can have very low grade results in what they produce.

There 100% are fantastic designers and models out there worth the month and if you get into it it greatly expands the range of models that you've got on offer for what you can get.


Personally I also got the Bret box and as soon as the Lady is back in stock I'll be getting her from the FW design. However I'm also ending up wnating to 3D print more models for this force - likely using Last Sword for a large Bret force. However there's every chance that a new army with modern models (eg a shiny new army of Kislev or Cathay) could well get me buying GW plastic ones too. In the end GW plastics are great to work with and produce great models that are fun to play with.

Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

Issue with them from Stormbringer? I'm lost. What does this mean?

There's so many options on the market these days, I think it's a great time to "stray". My local shop stocks loads of fantasy ranges from small producers that easily fit into the Old World.

3D printing seems like a fun hobby but it's definitely it's own hobby and not one I'm much interested in.

 Just Tony wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

Issue with them from Stormbringer? I'm lost. What does this mean?

Stormbringer is a magazine produced by Hachette, each magazine comes with GW models or paints.

The issue featuring Black Orcs has not been released yet

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I was looking forward to snagging a box of Black Orcs as 20 was exactly what I needed, but at that price I think I can wait to do an ebay rehab.

I'm sure there will be a bunch for cheap once the issue with them from Stormbringer hits.

Issue with them from Stormbringer? I'm lost. What does this mean?

Stormbringer is a magazine produced by Hachette, each magazine comes with GW models or paints.

The issue featuring Black Orcs has not been released yet

...but it's an AOS magazine, so why would it be coming with TOW models? is this something they've announced? i looked through the contents of stormbringer and the only orcs stuff are kruelboyz and ironjawz, but the ardboyz that they released for it is just the one kit of 5, which is far from the 20 black orcs they're selling