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In advance of tomorrow's balance update I've compiled some of the officially confirmed changes alongside some rumours that have been floating around for the last few days.

Officially confirmed via GW social media:

Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, and Votann will get boosts
Tyranids will not change in the balance dataslate
"Some points changes" for Tyranids compared to the printed codex (note that this book most likely went to print before 10e was released)

With preview copies of the changes in the hands of content creators, many rumours are currently circulating online. Several of these refer to some fairly substantial changes in the core rules:

Mortal wounds (or possibly just devastating wounds) no longer spill over to other models
Abilities that allow free 0 CP stratagem use are limited to once per battle round, and can only be used on 'Battle Tactic' type strats.
Overwatch excludes indirect fire
Indirect fire is now a -1 BS modifier instead of -1 to hit.

Custodes unit sizes lowered to max of 5
Desolation marines have a fixed unit size of 5

Various direct points nerfs to Custodes, Eldar, GSC

Mmm tasty tasty core rules changes just months after release.

Core rules "changes", which seemed like really strange walk backs of fixes implemented in 9th edition. Fixes that were made for extremely good reasons. Fixes whose root causes are still present in 10th edition. Fixes that were obviously needed to anyone with memory greater than a goldfish.

Assuming even true.

Art of War posted a video early with a Tyranid list including new points:

Biovore 75pts
Maleceptor 170pts
Norn Emissary 290pts
Neurolictor 65pts
Rippers 20pts per base
Zoanthropes 110pts (for 3)

Exocrines, Neurogants, Pyrovores were unchanged.

Out of curiosity, how does/what units does this affect vs. just being a -1 to hit?

Indirect fire is now a -1 BS modifier instead of -1 to hit.

 Stormonu wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does/what units does this affect vs. just being a -1 to hit?

Indirect fire is now a -1 BS modifier instead of -1 to hit.

A BUNCH of indirect fire units have rules or access to rules that negate hit modifiers for some reason.

 Stormonu wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does/what units does this affect vs. just being a -1 to hit?

Indirect fire is now a -1 BS modifier instead of -1 to hit.

Stacks with other penalties, mostly, and can't be negated by getting +2 or more to-hit.

 Stormonu wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does/what units does this affect vs. just being a -1 to hit?

Indirect fire is now a -1 BS modifier instead of -1 to hit.

Imagine you have bs4+.you fire indirect. Opponent pops smoke. -2 to hit but as modifiers to roll capped at -1 the smoke useless.

Here bs would go to 5+ and smoke means hit on 6's.

yes, the same as how the T'au +1BS can stack with a further +1.

a BS adjustment makes a lot more sense

also really hoping on the mortals not spilling stuff, even though my hammerhead has managed to get Marines and orks to stand in a nice line to get a few of them a couple of times


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 LunarSol wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does/what units does this affect vs. just being a -1 to hit?

Indirect fire is now a -1 BS modifier instead of -1 to hit.

A BUNCH of indirect fire units have rules or access to rules that negate hit modifiers for some reason.

typical GW though that, have a rule that does something, with a penalty, then give access to that rule with a way to mitigate the penalty for more favoured factions at that moment in time

MW not spilling sounds like a typical blanket solution to a specific problem.

So... exactly what GW would do.

So….the Haruspex remains 120 or 125 points (because I’m yet to see the Codex points with my own eyes)??



Are they quite mad?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
MW not spilling sounds like a typical blanket solution to a specific problem.

So... exactly what GW would do.

probably, never did quite get why though when someone dies their mates drop dead in sympathy

what they should have done is have a USR that can be applied, or not say [SPLASH] indicating damage rolls over, even if say [DEVASTATING [SPLASH]] so it only applies on devastating not other wounds if required

easy to add it to things that should have it, and remove it from things that should not

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
MW not spilling sounds like a typical blanket solution to a specific problem.

So... exactly what GW would do.

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, there are certainly weapons I love having this effect on and it feels super cool when a single hit explodes and takes out a bunch of models. On the other, its really really janky on high volume, multi damage stuff and does not work as intended at all. I'm okay with it going away, but there's a few guns I would love to have some kind of "explosive damage" keyword that would produce a similar effect.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So….the Haruspex remains 120 or 125 points (because I’m yet to see the Codex points with my own eyes)??



Are they quite mad?

they do have a history of making very small tweaks on things that don't really do anything, and now with points eaten in larger chunks a unit taking a +/- 10 point or whatever adjustment is largely pointless

The problem is Devastating Wounds as well as interactions with auto-getting 6's.

So fix that. Don't blanket nerf MW because Eldar have stupid rules.

Nah. The effect is just as bad for any Devastating Wounds weapon that has more than Damage 1. Doubly bad is the weapon also has Anti. It is bad rules for a lucky (or no so luck Anti) wound to turn an AT weapon into a horde killer. Many weapons have multiple profile options for just this sort of trade off.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The problem is Devastating Wounds as well as interactions with auto-getting 6's.

So fix that. Don't blanket nerf MW because Eldar have stupid rules.

fix the guy who keeps writing Eldar rules like this, make him play Death Guard or something

against Eldar

its the only way they will learn

and explain to any others who try to take rolling dice out of a dice game they are next

 alextroy wrote:
Nah.

I find your arguments uncompelling and entirely unconvincing.

Again, the issue isn't MW or how they're applied. It's some specific rules or combinations of rules that are the issue.

While I appreciate that it's not as bad as the 9th ed Space Wolf book getting changes before it even arrived for customers, it's not a great feeling that GW released a compact print rulebook a month ago that will already be out of date.

 The Phazer wrote:
While I appreciate that it's not as bad as the 9th ed Space Wolf book getting changes before it even arrived for customers, it's not a great feeling that GW released a compact print rulebook a month ago that will already be out of date.

All GW printed materials are a trap

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Nah.

I find your arguments uncompelling and entirely unconvincing.

Again, the issue isn't MW or how they're applied. It's some specific rules or combinations of rules that are the issue.

Let me see if I understand you correctly.

There is nothing wrong with Mortal Wounds.
There is nothing wrong with Devastating Wounds.
There is nothing wrong with Anti and Devastating Wounds.
The problem is Stands of Fate allowing you to create a 6 using Fate Dice and how it interacts with the rules above?

Personally, the only problem I see here is that Devastating Wounds creating Mortal Wounds causes high Damage weapons to transform from Anti-Tank/Monster weapons into Anti-Horde weapons. Strands of Fate merely exacerbates the existing problem.

For example: It is bad rules interactions that has a Thundercoil Harpoon that hits at a squad of 1 Wound Infantry models to kill nothing 1/6 of the time, kill one model very dead 2/3rds of the time, and wipeout 12 models 1/6 of the time.

What is the key culprit in this rules monstrosity? Devastating Wounds turns the 1 attack for 12 Damage into 12 Mortal Wounds.

How would I fix it? By simply replacing this sentence:

Each time an attack is made with such a weapon, a Critical Wound inflicts a number of mortal wounds on the target equal to the Damage characteristic of that weapon and the attack sequence ends.

With:

Each time an attack is made with such a weapon, a Critical Wound cannot have any saving throws, including Invulnerable Saves, made against it.

 alextroy wrote:
How would I fix it? By simply replacing this sentence:

Each time an attack is made with such a weapon, a Critical Wound inflicts a number of mortal wounds on the target equal to the Damage characteristic of that weapon and the attack sequence ends.

With:

Each time an attack is made with such a weapon, a Critical Wound cannot have any saving throws, including Invulnerable Saves, made against it.

A lot of people discussing the rumours expect this to be the case. It may be that the usual telephone game effect is causing issues with how the changes are being described.

I'm anticipating wraithguard and wraithknights will be nerfed into the dirt, while Fire Prisms, Night Spinners, Hornets, War Walkers, and other eldar vehicles remain a scourge on the rest of the player base.

The GK changes better be substential, because right now the only thing that does damage in the GK codex, besides Draigo, are DV spaming Librarians. If their damage gets nerfed and can't spread, then the faction really will have 0 ways to do any damage.

If true, and past rule changes make me think it very much can be true, this means that again instead of fixing the real problem aka eldar units and the interaction of antiX with DW, we get a boomerang nerf.

But who knows. Maybe we get blessed ammo back and every Stormbolter will be str 5 ap1. heck maybe even the NDK sword will get a d2 profile on swing.

1. Fixed squad sizes suck. I have 10 man desolator squads, which means I now have to try and hack apart a weapon on 1 guy in each squad to give him a vengor and make him the sgt.
2. Desolators are the only thing keeping marines (besides Deathwatch/DA) out of the trash tier.
3. Eldar will probably still dominate after this balance pass because they're so far ahead of everyone else. It would take a MASSIVE nerf to get them to a 50% win rate.
4. I hope, but have no faith, that my little space dwarves get the buff they need. They're still paying for the REEEEEEing across the internet at a 9th edition codex that 99% of the playerbase didn't even play against before it was nerfed.

 Stormonu wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does/what units does this affect vs. just being a -1 to hit?

Indirect fire is now a -1 BS modifier instead of -1 to hit.

You can now ALSO be -1 to hit.

I actually wonder if Exaction Squads will get a points bump to make them less of an obvious choice over some factions' cheapest objective holders.

 xttz wrote:
In advance of tomorrow's balance update I've compiled some of the officially confirmed changes alongside some rumours that have been floating around for the last few days.

Officially confirmed via GW social media:

Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, and Votann will get boosts
Tyranids will not change in the balance dataslate
"Some points changes" for Tyranids compared to the printed codex (note that this book most likely went to print before 10e was released)

With preview copies of the changes in the hands of content creators, many rumours are currently circulating online. Several of these refer to some fairly substantial changes in the core rules:

Mortal wounds (or possibly just devastating wounds) no longer spill over to other models
Abilities that allow free 0 CP stratagem use are limited to once per battle round, and can only be used on 'Battle Tactic' type strats.
Overwatch excludes indirect fire
Indirect fire is now a -1 BS modifier instead of -1 to hit.

Custodes unit sizes lowered to max of 5
Desolation marines have a fixed unit size of 5

Various direct points nerfs to Custodes, Eldar, GSC

Well, if this is a complete least, at least Sisters and Deathguard won't have to share the spotlight anymore.

LOL guess I'm sitting out this edition, what a dumpster fire.