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 alextroy wrote:
Let me see if I understand you correctly.

You didn't...

App updated. Desolation marines fixed 5 for 200pts. Mortal wound rule seems same.


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One sob list went down 95pts. 3 more 175-185. Death guard locally went often 200 down. My daemon league list from 50 short to 50 over. Custodians max 5.


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Death guard detachment rule got additional rule. 3effects to choose. Worsen enemy to hit/save/oc while in contagion

Devastating wounds is now just no save. It doesn't generate mortals anymore.

Khahandran wrote:
Devastating wounds is now just no save. It doesn't generate mortals anymore.

and interesting anything that got a save against mortals no longer gets a save here

Overwatch can't be used on Titanic units
Towering keyword removed from terrain rules
Free stratagem abilities that don't confirm a specific name can only be used on Battle Tactics

Eldar Phantasm is infantry-only, plus various 10-20% points hikes


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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/09/07/warhammer-40000-metawatch-changes-abound-in-the-first-balance-dataslate-of-the-edition/

Is it not Titanic units can’t use Overwatch?

Why is the Tyrannofex 245?

Most importantly? My previous Haruspex is still a piffling 125 points.

Hopefully they’re back in stock in time for payday. Because I’m having my three.


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Insane Bravery is now once per battle….which is nice.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it not Titanic units can’t use Overwatch?

Cannot target titanic units with the strat, so yes

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it not Titanic units can’t use Overwatch?

yes, my bad its the wording "you cannot target a TITANIC unit with this strategem" that could be slightly clearer

Ahh, error is mine. I read xttz’s post as “you cannot Overwatch against Titanic”.

Mea culpa!

well my 1k T'au list (well 995..) is now 890.

which is nice

How did the Harpy go up in cost? And the Tyrannofex up by 55 points? And the Hierodules by even more? None of them got any better. Hell, the Tyrannofex is worse in the new 'Dex.

Hoo-e, that's a lot of points cuts for Guard. Kasrkin at 100 pts, CSTs at 60, Castellans at 45...

I can now fit
a BANEBLADE in my GSC!!!!!!! WOOOOOO!!!!

Nice cuts for Daemons, free-ed up around 80-90 pts in my 1k Crusade list.

Is there a compiled list of point changes somewhere?

 Nevelon wrote:
Is there a compiled list of point changes somewhere?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/qqKTEzqYOX5Z84sH.pdf

changes are in red, doesn't have the "before" values though

Most of the Eldar points hikes look reasonable. I'm surprised they hiked the Dark Reapers though, they still seem very meh imo.

Points cuts on the Defiler, Warp Talons, Helbrute and Termielord?? Yes please!!

Also very pleased that Lootas got a price cut.

Guard got quite a few cuts in point cost, there are some units that got a massive bump in cost though, that Manticore bump yikes, but will it fix things? They mentioned a boost, but is just slashing points enough?

leopard wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Is there a compiled list of point changes somewhere?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/qqKTEzqYOX5Z84sH.pdf

changes are in red, doesn't have the "before" values though

I was hoping for a “Unit A: +5 points” kind of list. Makes it easy to see at a glance what the changes are, instead of cross referencing new/old. Just being lazy and seeing if someone already did the work.

SKITARII GOT THEIR ARMOR BACK YAAAAAY

 Nevelon wrote:

leopard wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Is there a compiled list of point changes somewhere?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/qqKTEzqYOX5Z84sH.pdf

changes are in red, doesn't have the "before" values though

I was hoping for a “Unit A: +5 points” kind of list. Makes it easy to see at a glance what the changes are, instead of cross referencing new/old. Just being lazy and seeing if someone already did the work.

some on https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/16ccz2v/the_app_is_updated/?share_id=HlkKPaLMJTYWQB5DON8wc&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1&sort=new have worked some of the lists out

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How did the Harpy go up in cost? And the Tyrannofex up by 55 points? And the Hierodules by even more? None of them got any better. Hell, the Tyrannofex is worse in the new 'Dex.

Well the new Tyrannofex ability of ignoring one attack after rolling completely is now better vs the new devastating wounds ability. Still the 245 points is absolutely idotic.

I do miss the days when 40k was simple enough at its core to properly balance instead of being a mess of complex special rules interactions resulting in very broken lists or armies.

Should have locked it down on 5th edition with the iteration from that point coming in the form of updated codexes.

It was great when editions got the main codexes or army books released and the game was in a good state for the last 2-3 years of its edition, with supplements, campaign books and expansions providing new content after that point.

3 year release cycles get expensive and difficult to keep up with.

leopard wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

leopard wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Is there a compiled list of point changes somewhere?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/qqKTEzqYOX5Z84sH.pdf

changes are in red, doesn't have the "before" values though

I was hoping for a “Unit A: +5 points” kind of list. Makes it easy to see at a glance what the changes are, instead of cross referencing new/old. Just being lazy and seeing if someone already did the work.

some on https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/16ccz2v/the_app_is_updated/?share_id=HlkKPaLMJTYWQB5DON8wc&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1&sort=new have worked some of the lists out

Very helpful, thanks.

As expected, the Devastating Wounds change will likely have some unintended knock-on effects. I don't think DW were a problem in themselves. It was weapons with multi-damage or the ability to "cheat" out the DW in unintended ways that was the problem.

It's not a good look to see such fundamental changes to core rules so soon after an edition is released. This was all stuff that players picked up on before even playing a game of 10th.

Votann change is, honestly, really dumb. (Now you start the game with +1 to hit and damage rolls against _4_ units)

Its compensating way too hard for the mediocre base BS.

They needed a change, obviously, but this a weirdly hamfisted way to not admit that they overcompensated hard and overdid the baseline nerfs.

When their codex rolls around, they're simply going to rework the army. Other detachment rules simply aren't going to match having that many judgement tokens in play, and its not functional to have this 'bad stats' workaround.

Indeed. If I'm reading it correctly, the Devastating Wounds change also means any FnP vs Mortals no longer applies which has a pretty big secondary impact on the game.

Voss wrote:
Votann change is, honestly, really dumb. (Now you start the game with +1 to hit and damage rolls against _4_ units)

Its compensating way too hard for the mediocre base BS.

They needed a change, obviously, but this a weirdly hamfisted way to not admit that they overcompensated hard and overdid the baseline nerfs.

When their codex rolls around, they're simply going to rework the army. Other detachment rules simply aren't going to match having that many judgement tokens in play, and its not functional to have this 'bad stats' workaround.

So would you rather increase stats and pay more points or pay fewer points and have "bad" stats? They won't magically increase the to-hit for an entire army and not put the cost up and leave an easy reach hit buff in play. Also why is 50% with selective access to +1 to hit "bad"?


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 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Indeed. If I'm reading it correctly, the Devastating Wounds change also means any FnP vs Mortals no longer applies which has a pretty big secondary impact on the game.

Base FnP overall will still kick in though.