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I was initially planning to go for Tomb kings but because I am an underdog type ..when they were the first army to be released I lost my interest.
Currently hoping to see more Chaos dwarfs.. but if their noses are no longer as big as they were I will skip those too and probably either go skaven or beasts.

The fixation with the size of chaos dwarf noses i've seen from various corners of the community is honestly mystifying to me.

After briefly skimming the legacy pdfs.

I'm currently interested in VC as my army for ToW.


Ghoul King on Terrorgheist *General*
Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
1 Wight Lord BSB
30 Grave Guard
1 Special Terrorgheist
2 Rare Terrorgheist.

Can hit 2k and all minimum requirements with that.

 Rogzor87 wrote:
After briefly skimming the legacy pdfs.

I'm currently interested in VC as my army for ToW.


Ghoul King on Terrorgheist *General*
Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
1 Wight Lord BSB
30 Grave Guard
1 Special Terrorgheist
2 Rare Terrorgheist.

Can hit 2k and all minimum requirements with that.

Good luck finding any games though.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Good luck finding any games though.

Shouldn't be too hard once I get it ready.

 Rogzor87 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Good luck finding any games though.

Shouldn't be too hard once I get it ready.

If I saw that army across the table, I think I would reconsider playing. Out of morbid curiosity, I put a list together and it just seems disgusting and like it would be very, very un-fun to play against.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Rogzor87 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Good luck finding any games though.

Shouldn't be too hard once I get it ready.

If I saw that army across the table, I think I would reconsider playing. Out of morbid curiosity, I put a list together and it just seems disgusting and like it would be very, very un-fun to play against.

Spoiler:

Strigoi Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
Flayed Hauberk, Biting Blade
[380]

Strigoi Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
Blood Drinker, Talisman of Protection
[405]

Wight Lord BSB
Spelleater Axe, Enchanted Shield
[110]

Core:
(30) Grave Guard
Full Command, Great Weapons, Drilled, Drakenhof Banner
[488]

Special:
Terrorgheist
[205]

Rare:
Terrorgheist
[205]

Terrorgheist
[205]

[1998]

Not a legal army. You need 12pts more in the Grave Guard unit (needs to be 500pts min) and you need to spend 30pts to make one of the Ghoul Kings a wizard to be the General - both probably at the expense of a chunk of your magic items.

Tbh, I think ‘1999+1pts’ is going to be a common thing ti prevent exactly this sort of silliness.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Rogzor87 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Good luck finding any games though.

Shouldn't be too hard once I get it ready.

If I saw that army across the table, I think I would reconsider playing. Out of morbid curiosity, I put a list together and it just seems disgusting and like it would be very, very un-fun to play against.

Spoiler:

Strigoi Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
Flayed Hauberk, Biting Blade
[380]

Strigoi Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
Blood Drinker, Talisman of Protection
[405]

Wight Lord BSB
Spelleater Axe, Enchanted Shield
[110]

Core:
(30) Grave Guard
Full Command, Great Weapons, Drilled, Drakenhof Banner
[488]

Special:
Terrorgheist
[205]

Rare:
Terrorgheist
[205]

Terrorgheist
[205]

[1998]

Yeah, that looks like a great army to play against someone you don't want to be friends with anymore.

Lord Zarkov wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Rogzor87 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Good luck finding any games though.

Shouldn't be too hard once I get it ready.

If I saw that army across the table, I think I would reconsider playing. Out of morbid curiosity, I put a list together and it just seems disgusting and like it would be very, very un-fun to play against.

Spoiler:

Strigoi Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
Flayed Hauberk, Biting Blade
[380]

Strigoi Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
Blood Drinker, Talisman of Protection
[405]

Wight Lord BSB
Spelleater Axe, Enchanted Shield
[110]

Core:
(30) Grave Guard
Full Command, Great Weapons, Drilled, Drakenhof Banner
[488]

Special:
Terrorgheist
[205]

Rare:
Terrorgheist
[205]

Terrorgheist
[205]

[1998]

Not a legal army. You need 12pts more in the Grave Guard unit (needs to be 500pts min) and you need to spend 30pts to make one of the Ghoul Kings a wizard to be the General - both probably at the expense of a chunk of your magic items.

Tbh, I think ‘1999+1pts’ is going to be a common thing ti prevent exactly this sort of silliness.

Oh, that is an easy fix. Overall, it still generally stands and looks unpleasant, which was my point.

And yeah, new edition - same old points finagling. It didn't seem as necessary at first but this army sells me on it again.


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 Vulcan wrote:


Yeah, that looks like a great army to play against someone you don't want to be friends with anymore.

Exactly my point!

I don't know about you all but there are people who will play against list like this. Even though its "legends/legacy" it will help for similar list in competitive play. Not to say Random local tournaments will possibly allow "legends" armies in the tournaments.

In a casual/friendly setting I could understand people being hesitant but even if this list is brought it's not like I would be like "HA! Surprise!". I would make it known and accept tailoring against it. You could agree to not play and I'll just look for someone else.

 Rogzor87 wrote:
I don't know about you all but there are people who will play against list like this. Even though its "legends/legacy" it will help for similar list in competitive play. Not to say Random local tournaments will possibly allow "legends" armies in the tournaments.

In a casual/friendly setting I could understand people being hesitant but even if this list is brought it's not like I would be like "HA! Surprise!". I would make it known and accept tailoring against it. You could agree to not play and I'll just look for someone else.

Yeah fair play. Optimizing for filth and playing against other folks optimizing for filth is a perfectly legitimate way to play. As a High Elf player, this'd be a list where I could bring a double dragon + whatever else unfun things I can think up and not feel bad about it.

If I brought a well rounded "play friendly games at the store" list - or if I was starting out and had a "I'm fielding what I think looks cool and it's all I got" -and I got rolled by a list like that I might feel a bit sore about it.

Though of course a lot depends on the attitude of the person you're playing the game with.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The fixation with the size of chaos dwarf noses i've seen from various corners of the community is honestly mystifying to me.

Its just a thing I like of them, gives them their character, its like how I think the older Ork models in Aos look better cause they look more like chimps.

i'm probably not going to have the funds to start buying into TOW until at least summer, which means GW will be a bit further along in the re-releases of armies, and at that point, it comes down to what is already out. if WE are out, probably that, or maybe O&G. from the returning armies, those are most interesting to me, but i've also thought about ogres (which would also turn into a project of how to figure out a way to base them for TOW and AOS at the same time)

 Vulcan wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Rogzor87 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Good luck finding any games though.

Shouldn't be too hard once I get it ready.

If I saw that army across the table, I think I would reconsider playing. Out of morbid curiosity, I put a list together and it just seems disgusting and like it would be very, very un-fun to play against.

Spoiler:

Strigoi Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
Flayed Hauberk, Biting Blade
[380]

Strigoi Ghoul King on Terrorgheist
Blood Drinker, Talisman of Protection
[405]

Wight Lord BSB
Spelleater Axe, Enchanted Shield
[110]

Core:
(30) Grave Guard
Full Command, Great Weapons, Drilled, Drakenhof Banner
[488]

Special:
Terrorgheist
[205]

Rare:
Terrorgheist
[205]

Terrorgheist
[205]

[1998]

Yeah, that looks like a great army to play against someone you don't want to be friends with anymore.

its probably more fun than the old Wood Elf armies

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i'm probably not going to have the funds to start buying into TOW until at least summer, which means GW will be a bit further along in the re-releases of armies, and at that point, it comes down to what is already out. if WE are out, probably that, or maybe O&G. from the returning armies, those are most interesting to me, but i've also thought about ogres (which would also turn into a project of how to figure out a way to base them for TOW and AOS at the same time)

There are some "base adapter" options out there that make round ones square, which can then go into trays. I am doing that exact thing with my Ogres, so I can play them in both games.

lizardmen with a slan and 2 EOTG. might not be geat (who knows) but i want to showcase the best casters in the lore

Ethereal Slann BSB is going to be nasty.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i'm probably not going to have the funds to start buying into TOW until at least summer, which means GW will be a bit further along in the re-releases of armies, and at that point, it comes down to what is already out. if WE are out, probably that, or maybe O&G. from the returning armies, those are most interesting to me, but i've also thought about ogres (which would also turn into a project of how to figure out a way to base them for TOW and AOS at the same time)

There are some "base adapter" options out there that make round ones square, which can then go into trays. I am doing that exact thing with my Ogres, so I can play them in both games.

oh! that would be perfect, yes. thank you! certainly earlier than some sort of convoluted solution to do with swapping the actual bases. that definitely makes ogres more enticing as something to get into, knowing it can work for two games. a shame that Genestealers can't take ogryns or i might be able to make them work in a third game

As someone who has never played WHFB, I thought TOW to be an easy pass for me. I am a Dwarf guy and I don't think, the range aged very gracefully. Then I discovered the alternatives from Highlands Miniatures and now I am seriously tempted. I also found a designer with alternative woodelves which are really charming. Still not sure if I will pull the trigger, as my printer broke and I need a new one (which I eventually want to buy anyway).

Bago wrote:
As someone who has never played WHFB, I thought TOW to be an easy pass for me. I am a Dwarf guy and I don't think, the range aged very gracefully. Then I discovered the alternatives from Highlands Miniatures and now I am seriously tempted. I also found a designer with alternative woodelves which are really charming. Still not sure if I will pull the trigger, as my printer broke and I need a new one (which I eventually want to buy anyway).

Well, if it's just about using the cool miniatures, there are some model agnostic systems that will be easier to get into (KoW, One Page Regiments, Hobgoblin). But admittedly none of them communicate faction identity through the rules as well as GW.

Heh, TOWs not even back a week and already the same problems that killed WHFB in the first place are rearing their heads - such as people not wanting to use GWs miniatures to play the game XD

chaos0xomega wrote:
Heh, TOWs not even back a week and already the same problems that killed WHFB in the first place are rearing their heads - such as people not wanting to use GWs miniatures to play the game XD

To be fair a lot of people may not be able or want to build models in resin or metal, so in that case the only way to go is third party if a decent proxy is out there. Though it isn't helped by the generic nature of the minis (which as you say was a problem for WHFB). Having watched a few videos on YT I've no interest in attempting the Bretonnian trebuchet but it's not like it's hard to find a generic plastic trebuchet to fill in for it.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Heh, TOWs not even back a week and already the same problems that killed WHFB in the first place are rearing their heads - such as people not wanting to use GWs miniatures to play the game XD

Well the options currently are:

1) You already had the miniatures
2) You use third party miniatures
3) You don't play the game

Y'know, on account of GW not selling the miniatures.

I think, when it comes to Lizardmen, you can build (almost) any TOW unit out of AoS Lizardmen currently on sale? Maybe bar Jungle Swarms, but these are very easy to do (green stuff snakes on a base- can't get simpler than that).

thats correct - almost the entirety of the old WHFB army list is available in AoS plastics.

For jungle swarms I would recommend wadrhun hunting packs from conquest though.

chaos0xomega wrote:Heh, TOWs not even back a week and already the same problems that killed WHFB in the first place are rearing their heads - such as people not wanting to use GWs miniatures to play the game XD

Well, that didn't kill the game. GW did. They wanted to do their whole Age of Sigmar thing and reinvent their brand. Now they are doing what so many brands do now - capitalize on nostalgia. It allows them to sell 20+ year old kits for big prices and people eat it up. I am guilty of it myself. After seeing the rules and watching the batreps - I am on board fully, because they at least did a good job with the rules this time.

I've still got a plague cart load of Skaven from the early naughts that I'll be finishing off and using. Real Soon Now.

Good news, GW itself already putting in additional comp for Warhammer World events



(rule of three on everything, including core)

Oh boi, Does that also apply to units that got Core'ed like Graveguard when i pick a prince?

Or is that a "diffrent" unit?

same unit in general, not same unit per slot

chaos0xomega wrote:
Heh, TOWs not even back a week and already the same problems that killed WHFB in the first place are rearing their heads - such as people not wanting to use GWs miniatures to play the game XD

the GW paradox
making the best fantasy plastic models in the world, but mediocre rules (at best)
yet everyone wants to play their games with models from other companies