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Posted By jfrazell on 06/08/2007 11:47 AM

See this is why Ed Maule never wins tournaments. He forgets to bring his table mate back a drink when he's off high sticking opponents.  Its just common courtesy Ed. A good rum and coke goes a long way to cover over short breaks...

Haha.  Best drinks are the alcoholic kind.  Too bad smaller tournaments usually frown on the "bring-in" coolers.  Off topic:  Anyone else not surprised about Ottawa getting PWNED by the Ducks?  Ottawa always gives up when the crap hits the fan.

Back on topic... I'm not really one to debate the "correctness" of comp scoring.  I personally like it, but I come from a small tournament / casual environement where comp scoring reduces the chance of a player "combo-pwning" some kid... but is a fact that as long as comp scoring exists, unscrupulous players will hand out undeservedly low soft scores.

So lemme just bash on your strawman there for a bit, Stu.

The whole board is terrain? By your logic, he should be able to place the hill anywhere, right? So would you be ok with someone putting a hill on top of a ruin, so its suspended in mid air like some floating mass? Or put a water feature suspended over some fences? Hey, lets just stack all the terrain in a big pile, sounds like fun doesn't it.

There's just some things one shouldn't do when placing terrain, or atleast should be discussed with your opponent before hand (which that act alone is the cornerstone of good sportsmanship).

Posted By Stu-Rat on 06/08/2007 10:52 AM

Posted By Unseth on 06/08/2007 10:29 AM

There are many factors the drove me to give him a zero. Those people that know me understand how much it pained me to do that to him because I do not believe in the soft scores. In fact this is the first it I have done this to someone. 

 That's fair enough. But that's not what you claimed originally. 

 

I can vouch for Unseth on this point.

I started to give people the scores that they deserved, and he and his friends gave me so much static over it, that I just was not worth it. I then started to give everyone a max score whether they deserved it or not.

In round 5 I ended up playing on table #2. I wish I had a shot at Pete, I wonder how I would have done. Since the only way I was going to win best general was to take him down.



I am the same way. I work nights, and at most RTTs I am a zombie, so my sports suffers.

Posted By jfrazell on 06/08/2007 11:12 AM
GT related query. How was the mix of players? Tier One mostly marines/eldar what? (or did I miss that already). Any DA players and how did they do? And the Showgirls. Its Vegas tell us about the Showgirls!

There were a lot of Marines/Eldar at the top tables. A few necrons, and a couple of rare armies.

In round 5 on table #2 I fought against Dark Eldar. There was also an Ellisian Drop troop army hanging round the top tables. But for the most part the Orks, IG and Demonhunters were at the bottom.

And as far as the showgirls,  what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

Does anyone have the list of the 40K results yet? 

I found the Fantasy rankings on the Warhammer Forum, but no 40K rankings. 

There was some problems with the scores for 40k, so they are being corrected.

- Greenie

Unseath so let me get this straight, your opponent agrees to your request for terrian placement, kicks your ass and you zero him for sportsmanship?  Did I get it correct Unseth? 

I hope we are able to determine who you are so people can be warned about your past behaviour at future events.

Maybe you really shouldn't be playing at a GT.

Posted By Tau-Cent on 06/09/2007 8:12 AM

Unseath so let me get this straight, your opponent agrees to your request for terrian placement, kicks your ass and you zero him for sportsmanship?  Did I get it correct Unseth? 

I hope we are able to determine who you are so people can be warned about your past behaviour at future events.

Maybe you really shouldn't be playing at a GT.

Not correct and I have moved on from this.

Hmmm..  I'm glad I wasn't able to go to the Vegas GT.  From all the comments on this thread, it sounds like there was plenty of non-fun to be had.  My sympathies for anyone who paid good money to get there and then had to play against "unfortunate" lists brought for all the wrong reasons and players with "unfortunate" attitudes.

Everyone from my gaming groups that went had a blast, and said nothing but good things about it.

And what do you mean by "unfortunate" lists being brought for all the wrong reasons? Do mean good lists brought to a tournament to win (as that is the purpose of a tournament)? Or some of the wackier lists like my buddies all grot army?

I wasn't there Reecius, so I won't make specific comments about anyone.  In fact I don't even know if you guys are the ones everyone seems to have a problem with although from your post it seems like you are a bit defensive about it.  But like I said, based on the comments in this thread it sounded like there was plenty of non-fun to go around.  If you and your buddies had fun, that is great but others obviously didn't.  I sympathize with those who paid a lot of money to get there and then had a bad time because of a few people from a certain area.

I'm sure you are a fairly intelligent person and can figure out what an unfortunate list probably means.  And as for all the wrong reasons...  well Tournies mean different things to different people.   Winning is the point of competition, but in a social game with toy soldiers, there are also additional aspects desired by all.  If I have to explain the idea to you further than that, then I am not going to waste my time...

As for an all Grot army- I would love to play against that!  Sounds so funny!

Maybe you're new to GTs, but there's almost always some drama afterwards.  It doesn't me there was no fun to be had or whatever it is you're saying. 

Now IMO, a possible disturbing trend is players calling out opponents on message boards by name after the fact.  If you have a problem with an opponent, you resolve it during the game and then leave it at the tournament.  In this case, the guy may have richly deserved a zero...I don't know and I wasn't there.  But I dunno what calling him out here will do except make you look like a girl. 

This kind of B.S. oughta get you retroactively zeroed in sportsmanship.

Posted By gorgon on 06/11/2007 10:38 AM

  But I dunno what calling him out here will do except make you look like a girl. 

 

damn i spent a lot of money on trip to thailand to look like a girl and i had to do is say sparky is a dirty cheater.

Every event/GT will have one or 2 players that are not going to be fun to play, or bring a list that is way over the top, with or without comp.

Everyone had a lot of fun at the LVGT. There were a lot of people playing, and one or 2 people were not going to ruin it for everyone else.

Just because a couple of people had problems in no way means that it was not a great event.

Hey Beast,
I wasnt calling you out at all, i was just curious. I have two groups of gamer buddies, those who play to win and those who play for fun, i was just trying to figure out what you meant. I didnt go to the GT either so i dont know how it was. But my friends who went from both camps said they had a blast and cant wait to go back.

I understand both mentalities, but i have to say that at a GT, I at least would go expecting to play the toughest lists and to win. But i know some people go to just meet new gamers and have fun in Vegas which is fine too. I just dont think its fair to say that one or the other mentality is unfair or motivated by the wrong reasons.

And my buddies all Grot army is actually pretty good, surprisingly. A maxed out army will beat it the majority of the time, but against your average army it actually isnt that bad. From what i understand he got stuck on the lava tables every game which have a large amount of difficult terrain and so he spent the whole game stuck in it and not moving anywhere.

Those lava tables look abysmally thin on terrain.  The phrase parking lot comes to mind. An assault army would have been doomed on them.

Blackmoor ...Seconded.

I think to many people expect their opponent to provide them with entertainment. While there are a number of opponents that are certainly entertaining ..not everyone is.The only person that can make you have a bad time at an event that involves moving toy soliders .. is youself.

The fact is you WILL eventually play someone you would rather not play ( if not at this GT then at some other event  The question is how do you react  ... 1. let it ruin the weekend and blame him for your aweful time. or 2. Remember your playing and moving toy soliders instead of .. oh I don't know working, doing honey dos, fighting traffic or one of the other countless horrible work like things you could be doing. Control what you can control ..take responsiblity for your actions and play .. and suddenly what other people bring or how other people act becomes almost irrelevant.   I'm going to have a good time regardless. 

Hats off to Dave and company .. While the GT events are still a ways away from perfect .. ( and believe me they know it) ... the LVGT was a huge step forward towards making these events ... Grand again... They are certainly aware of the issues and are committed to listening to the feedback and resolving the problems. Things like the lava tables, other terrain issues, scenarios, software glitches will be addressed and change .. it just won't change overnight .. as these things take budgets and time.

The amount of staff and the prize support was a huge step in the right direction and well watching people win the framed artwork ..was making me want to sign up for the next one.

The amount of staff and the prize support was a huge step in the right direction and well watching people win the framed artwork ..was making me want to sign up for the next one.

Yeah - but you won't sign up knowing that we are coming to town.  I can sense the shakin' in your boots. 

It was a good event overall. That someone possibly scored three zeroes in a row is more of an oddity rather than a downer on the event. It is sad to know people will encourage another to play a list that intentionally is so stigmatized for their own gain. My opponents were fun to play and the event was well run overall.

- G

I got nothing left to prove ...you and Mike are lucky you dodged Darrian and Blackmoor.... at the LVGT.

*smack talk on*
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Besides I got a standing offer for you and the rest of your crew .. bring that crap chaos list that mike and you have managed to squeeze two years worth of playing out of, tell Pete to bring that mech eldar 3 falcon list everyone is crying about and that has been overplayed for the past 3 years .. .. You can even determine the order of slaughter... I'll smoke all three of you or buy steak dinners... heck I might even get Chua and Chris to come down for some scrub games .. I normally let them handle my light work anyways. Could even have the makings of a 3 on 3 challenge!! That would give you boys a chance at least..and if you bring along a fourth like Chester .. I'm sure I can find someone .
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*smack talk off*

Yeah, i guess the lava tables were all difficult terrain with not LOS blocking. The poor grots dies like....grots.

muwhe, that was some genius smack talk!

And i can second that Darrian takes no prisoners, nor blackmoor. Those guys are both really good players.

@Muwhe,
I am not sure who was lucky in the dodging. I was hoping to play Greg or Peter but I had a rather unfortunate loss to a Blood Angel player derail any possible meeting for me at the Vegas GT. I played one of Gregs group at the Gladiator and it was my only loss of Adepticon (Gladiator or Championships), he was playing a Chaos army very similiar to Greg's and had an amazingly hot dice rolling game, so I really wanted to try my luck again against that list. Peter's list was brutal but I think my army could have taken it. Unfortunately, my loss to a random Blood Angel army prevented me from finding out.
I finished one of my games early and watched Greg play, I can see why so many people think he is the best 40K player around. He simply plays flawlessly. What impressed me the most is how he does so well with an army that is in no way over the top. After my loss at Adepticon, I experimented with his list back home and was not impressed with it. So, it is probably the player more than the list.

@Greenbloater,
You were at the LVGT? You should have introduced yourself. What army were you playing? One of the things I hate about the internet is that no one uses their real name, so at events you never know who is who.

Hopefully, I will get to meet up with you guys at the Baltimore GT.

Darrian

Darrian

Please note that I claim nothing about being the best player and to do so in seriousness or jest couldn't be further from the truth.  There are too many great players across the US and the UK/Europe to even begin to name them.  For all you Canadians - I'm counting Canada as part of the US since it's basically the 51st state. 

Chester having hot dice?!!  What? -  We always have to hear whining about how bad his dice are.

I would smack talk with Muwhe, but I have a better chance at successfully coming out on top in a marathon that winning a war of words.   

Finally, there is definitely a split between people that "play for fun" and people that work to max out their list.  Our group leans towards the camp of maxing out the list (some more than others) and we have no qualms about it.  I personally enjoy playing against a lot of the top tier players and tough lists that are typically in the running for overall from round 3 and on.  Things can be a little tense at times on both sides of the table, but I would not trade that competitive spirit for anything.  It is terribly fun, tactically challenging and very enjoyable to match wits with any of the great players.

Yeah I was at LVGT. My Space Marines got rolled twice by other Space Marines. At least one of those games was very close. All my games were fun. It was a great event and I would do it again even if I knew I would fare the same. I will be at Baltimore this November. It was nice to Jason's purple Space Marines again!

- G

I love playing against the best players. You never know how good you are until play them.

I would have like to have played Greg, but in game #4 he was just above me, and in game #5 he was right below me. I would have loved to get the measure of him since Centurian99 has a wager in the Adepticon TT, I want to know how we are looking.

I am glad that a lot of you will be making the trip out to Baltimore. I was thinking about going, and now I think I will do it.

Posted By muwhe on 06/11/2007 3:06 PM

*smack talk on*
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Besides I got a standing offer for you and the rest of your crew .. bring that crap chaos list that mike and you have managed to squeeze two years worth of playing out of, tell Pete to bring that mech eldar 3 falcon list everyone is crying about and that has been overplayed for the past 3 years .. .. You can even determine the order of slaughter... I'll smoke all three of you or buy steak dinners... heck I might even get Chua and Chris to come down for some scrub games .. I normally let them handle my light work anyways. Could even have the makings of a 3 on 3 challenge!! That would give you boys a chance at least..and if you bring along a fourth like Chester .. I'm sure I can find someone .
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*smack talk off*

Hot damn Hank - you haven't even paid up on the last steak dinner that you owe me.  Your credit worthiness is not looking that good.

Tsk .. Tsk .. Sparky .... Lies ..

I've offered you that steak but you won't accept it do to some honor code about us being derailed ...and now you throw it back in my face?  The Gauntlet has been thrown down.... it's up to you and the rest of your boys to pick it up.   Are you guys holding out for a handicap? I'm a sporting man but I doubt Chua has played a game since 3rd edition, Chris having serious codex reactions has sold the majority of his army selection and well .. my last game of 40k was back at Adepticon .. shortly after whipping you and mike the last time. Time to take this offline and setup the details .. and we will need to find an impartial judge for the 4-way challenge.   Not to mention a date, time and venue.

Course this will be all for fun ...

 

 

I'll bring the lawn chairs...lol.

Capt K

Chester, Pete, Mike and I are in.  Grab Chua, Chris and your 4th, pack your bags and jump in the car.  It's your turn to travel.  I have enough accommodations for everyone at my place (3 beds and a couch).  None of this sleeping on the floor and no kids running around (excluding all of us of course).  Plus I have four tables at my place.

Clash of the Midwest Titans

Buy your tickets now. 

Greg,

Im betting on one of the teams from Georgia getting more battle points than either of you..... Oh, and we wont even fill in our own sportsmanship scores either......




Clay