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 CptJake wrote:


Have any pictures of these issues?

Managed to get some sooner rather than later.

So firstly this is one of the Cybertronic Chasseurs. There's a real issue with facial detail here, for example their masks smoothly blend into the faces without any edging. Some have lost their ears as well:



Another example, this was focused on the face and is not a result of the camera:



You can also see in the above picture my workaround for the lack of mounting point for that weapon (more on this later).

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This is the foot from my Cuirasseur, the left part of it is where the ankle joins the leg, both of them are this thin and weak. This break happened in the post and with such a small join point I have no confidence in it surviving the weight of the model long term. I'm going to have to put some scenic basing material around the foot to take the model's weight:



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Here are the "pegs" for some Cybertronic troops, the torsos have holes for them to fit into. I'd actually already assembled the ones that had their pegs still usable. I'm going to have to green stuff up the holes in the torsos to give these enough of a purchase point to glue:



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Also note that only one of the left arms is holding a weapon stock (more on this later).

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Here's the weapon for the Cuirasseur, I couldn't get a shot up against the light as it blurred the optics too much but this shows where you can see through it when held up. Of particular note is the weapon's stock, it's pretty much as thin as the flash on the model. I'm tempted just to clip it off to save having to fix it later:



And here's the weapon attached, this was one of the weak weapon attachment points I was talking about, it's 1.5mm x 0.5mm in size. As much as it's going to look ugly I'm going to have to build some green stuff up around it to secure it in place otherwise it won't survive transportation:



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Here's a Cybertronic weapon sprue, the weapons on the left have no attachment point and, if you use the pegs for the arms the stabiliser on the right weapons won't fit:



Here's some pictures of the left weapon and the tiny, angled contact point. These were the weapons that I had to resort to green stuffing into position with a large blob of the stuff:





These were the unit that can't be assembled as per the render, the render shows them all with the weapons in their left hands but only one of the 5 sets of left hands has a weapon handle in it. Arguably you could leave that angled piece of resin in the left set of weapons and use it as a handle but it's got no detail on it, looks awful and you still have to almost no contact point for gluing. Plus all the right hand arms are holding weapon handles, so unless you want all your men doing a fist bump in the air after cleaning off the handle parts you don't really have much option.

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I should point out that the larger, bulkier models like the Everasseur or Razide look great. But it's the human sized stuff and models slightly larger, like the Cuirasseur, that have these durability and loss of detail issues.

I have seen one other thread pop up on the WZ:R message boards with someone complaining over the detail on some of their models, but it seemed to disappear a couple of hours later...



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 gunslingerpro wrote:

Hmm. I noticed some issues with flash on my capitol troops, but didn't have anything quite as bad as you describe. And mine have primed up really well. I'd be interested to know which starter you went with?

Yeah I think because Capitol are stockier it's perhaps not such a problem. Didn't know their weapons were attached, that's quite nice. We had the Cybertronic and Dark Legion armies which both have these issues.

 gunslingerpro wrote:

See I'm really curious which set you got. All my weapons were attached the arms. Like some Infinity models, getting the pose correct was a bit tough when you were glueing 4 ish joints at once, but that comes with the territory in my experience. YMMV.

I should probably point out I don't have problems dealing with unattached weapons themselves - Forge World's Fireglaives caused me no issues and were more complicated to assemble. It's just the lack of any proper gluing points that was the real bugbear for us.




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Prodos wrote:

Hello again Jimbo. Looks like you are doing a great job for your employers, shame they have such tactics.

I'm self-employed and working in the computer software industry, I haven't had an employer for several months now.

Thanks for sharing jimbo. It'll be something to ponder over before purchasing/kickstarting a project.

... but they've offered to replace stuff for free?

So is this your second, third, fourth set?

 Theophony wrote:

@jimbo, was there anything positive about your purchase? I can see why they responded the way they did in the second post, perhaps you can let us know if your be ebaying all of it, or if the benefits of the models outweigh the drawbacks.

I'm keeping them for the time being - we still haven't received the rulebook or cards yet, so I want to actually play the game before making any decision on it.

Like I say the larger models are just lovely, and I do still like the models despite the issues present, I was just a bit disappointed about some of the things I've mentioned. I think a lot of the durability issues are just due to not thinking through about how things are going to be once downscaled and cast at the kind of resolution the medium can achieve so hopefully AvP will come out a little better based on their experience with Warzone.

I mention it not to trash them. but just so that people don't see renders and immediately think that that is how the model is going to look, and so people keep in mind the limitations of durability when looking at the fine detail on some of these renders.

I know this is a new account (I normally post on Warseer and just lurk here), but this is where the conversation about AvP is, so this is where the information is relevant.


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 judgedoug wrote:
... but they've offered to replace stuff for free?

So is this your second, third, fourth set?

I had trouble reaching them so gave up and just started assembly.

I had been hoping to get them ready to attend the convention (which is next week) and that would have been a no go by that point if I'd had to send them back. The only issue they could have fixed really was the broken ankle anyway and like I said I can work around that by just burying his leg in a pile of debris on the base.

thanks for the pics and quick response jimbo , It is definitely something to consider when this releases. I would hope that whatever issues they had they have them resolved before AVP gets rolling. Welcome to Dakkadakka by the way.

That's disappointing. Virtually every other review and pic I've seen has been of exceptional quality. I would hope that if I received a model that looked nothing like the models anyone else has received or reviewed that the company would replace them.

This is simply not true.
Firstly the 'low detail image' you show are out of focus. If one looks at the gun and arm photos posted by 'Jimbo' they are more indicative of the detail levels all the models have. Additionally the Cybertronic faction is a subtle mix of man and machine (think Terminator after he's been bashed about).
The gun attachment also is not a problem, it is no different to the attachment of a bolter to a SM. Yes the models are finer detailed and hands smaller, but the resin sticks near instantly when a small dab of superglue is used. Again I would suggest any modeller with at least a basic level of modelling ability will be able to work and enjoy working with these models.
The Atilla (Curiassur) is a tall but slight model, but if one takes care and uses appropriate foam cases (like with any resin model) there will be no problem. My own trio of them have travelled across the UK and even to mainland Europe without issue. They have even been used at 2 different conventions as demo models.


If needed I can list a number of other KS supporters all of which are or than happy (in fact ecstatic) with their models. Please let me know

this is the level of details your chasseurs head should have, if this is not the case, its quality issue and please contact us at orders@warzonegame.com, optionally as you going to be at the convention come to see me (Jarek) for replacement:



in regards to overall warzone model detail discussion here are some randome samples, of the shelf, I dont have assembled chasseurs on me but I should have it later on so pic to follow
Necromutants:
If model is not to this standards we are more than happy to provide replacement.

You might be digging yourself a hole here, Prodos. I think the answer you are looking for is "I am terribly sorry you seem to have a bad batch. Please let us know what needs to be replaced, and we will send them your way asap."

A private email or cellphone number isn't necessary, but it is often what the better customer service companies do.

Thanks for the pics, the pains you took and the quick response jimbo!
Very enlightening.

I am now REALLY curious about my mini lot...

There, you see? Warzone there did it right.

 Wehrkind wrote:
You might be digging yourself a hole here, Prodos. I think the answer you are looking for is "I am terribly sorry you seem to have a bad batch. Please let us know what needs to be replaced, and we will send them your way asap."

A private email or cellphone number isn't necessary, but it is often what the better customer service companies do.

We have already made that statement to him and offered him a full refund.
But equally we cannot and will not stand by when statements made are not true. Would you when your life and livelihood depend on it?

I just read Prodos answer and then saw Warzone Resurrections pics...

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
this is the level of details your chasseurs head should have, ...

Aren't most of these pics also out of focus?

I can also ony agree with Wehrkinds reply about "digging a hole". No need to assume under par modelling skills in jimbo...

As we are going of the topic can I please ask some MOD to move last 2 pages to Warzone Resurrection Topic,

Lets focus on AvP, from the point where we where (beginning of Warzone and 1st models designed (Legionnaires and Chasseurs it has been long 6 months of sweat and blood to make it right.

to ANN: I am sorry but you have been one of the 1st WZ fans receiving our models during KS, so you should know already the quality... but anyway, I think your order is being processed so please provide some review as soon as you got it. Thanks Jarek.

AvP news on facebook about the Marines:

Alien vs Predator The Miniatures Game: urethane plastic, multipart ;]


Since you guys are here and online can you comment on a time scale for the launch of this kickstarters?

jimbojohnson wrote:
Forgot to mention the card stock used in Warzone:

(1) Verrrry thin stock, not very durable.

(2) Non-standard size so you won't be able to get deck protectors for them.

(3) Arrived with most cards with damaged corners as it had peeled back.

jimbojohnson wrote:

I'm keeping them for the time being - we still haven't received the rulebook or cards yet, so I want to actually play the game before making any decision on it.
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I have no dog in this fight, but which is it? Are the cards poorly made or do you not have them yet?

~Eric

primalexile wrote:
AvP news on facebook about the Marines:

Alien vs Predator The Miniatures Game: urethane plastic, multipart ;]


Since you guys are here and online can you comment on a time scale for the launch of this kickstarters?

We should have more info by Friday ;] about the AvP release

As I am here I can answer more questions. ';]

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
As we are going of the topic can I please ask some MOD to move last 2 pages to Warzone Resurrection Topic,

Damn, true, so easy to move off...

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
to ANN: I am sorry but you have been one of the 1st WZ fans receiving our models during KS, so you should know already the quality... but anyway, I think your order is being processed so please provide some review as soon as you got it. Thanks Jarek.

I know the quality of the models I received (and said so here: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html).
Even better if my models are now on the way!

The pics jimbo shared made me curious how the production models are, that is all!

@Warzone Resurrection, Not to spoil anything but can we expect to see characters from all the movies making special appearances?

Are all the models (Predators, Aliens, Marines) going to be multi part urethane plastic or will it only be marines?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Unfortunately no, but AVP rules covering aspects like : "Making your own Hero/Heroes" (you can Named them and Equipped as you want ;] )

So no Apone, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, etc sculpts?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Unfortunately no, but AVP rules covering aspects like : "Making your own Hero/Heroes" (you can Named them and Equipped as you want ;] )

So no Apone, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, etc sculpts?

Not is the first wave ;]

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Not is the first wave ;]

Tantalizing

 judgedoug wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Unfortunately no, but AVP rules covering aspects like : "Making your own Hero/Heroes" (you can Named them and Equipped as you want ;] )

So no Apone, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, etc sculpts?

This news makes me saddened... I was looking forward to the crew from Alines and the crew from Predator!

@WZ, thanks for the heads up!

Not in first wave perhaps as stretch goals :^)

 Bull0 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Not is the first wave ;]

Tantalizing

Y, I've learned new English word yesterday : the Longevity

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Not is the first wave ;]

Tantalizing

Y, I've learned new English word yesterday : the Longevity

I see what you did there

 judgedoug wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Unfortunately no, but AVP rules covering aspects like : "Making your own Hero/Heroes" (you can Named them and Equipped as you want ;] )

So no Apone, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, etc sculpts?

If not specifically due to likeness rights and fees, perhaps we'll just get generic gruff cigar chewin' black sergeant, cowardly caucasian trooper, and latina with a big machine gun minis... or maybe they'll mix up some of the details like with the horrorclix AVP minis and the female human mini they had.

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Unfortunately no, but AVP rules covering aspects like : "Making your own Hero/Heroes" (you can Named them and Equipped as you want ;] )

So no Apone, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, etc sculpts?

If not specifically due to likeness rights and fees, perhaps we'll just get generic gruff cigar chewin' black sergeant, cowardly caucasian trooper, and latina with a big machine gun minis... or maybe they'll mix up some of the details like with the horrorclix AVP minis and the female human mini they had.

Those could all possibly come under a different license? The individual alien and predator license are possibly separate to the AVP one.

Are you guys gonna have sculpts that look like those of the first two Alien movies? Or are you stuck with the design from the fourth film and both AVP movies?

 Imposter101 wrote:
Are you guys gonna have sculpts that look like those of the first two Alien movies? Or are you stuck with the design from the fourth film and both AVP movies?

Yes, the top one is Infant Alien Warrior

The bottom is developed Alien Warrior

Both and MORE ;] covered.