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 Snrub wrote:
It's very much real. That dumb thing single-handedly ruined Aliens 4.

What, Joss Whedon?



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 paulson games wrote:
Xenomoph head, or adult bookstore toy?

let me introduce you to HR Giger

 judgedoug wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
It's very much real. That dumb thing single-handedly ruined Aliens 4.

What, Joss Whedon?

That's heresy and you know it is.

I think Joss Whedon is even embarrassed by what they did to his script the final version isn't what he envisioned but as he was just the writer he turned it in and then someone did a hatchet job on it during filming.

Just because Whedon blamed everyone else doesn't mean his script bears no responsibility. Frankly, I like the movie ... I just don't care for it as an Aliens movie. There isn't a thing in that film that I would want in this game, not even the crew of the Betty.

So far, there's been no mention of an android. We gotta have an artificial person.

 Manchu wrote:

So far, there's been no mention of an android. We gotta have an artificial person.

or at least half of one.

 Manchu wrote:
Just because Whedon blamed everyone else doesn't mean his script bears no responsibility. Frankly, I like the movie ... I just don't care for it as an Aliens movie. There isn't a thing in that film that I would want in this game, not even the crew of the Betty.

Yeah, it's as good as a generic Aliens comic book plot. Doesn't mean it should have been a feature film, though. I remember my impression as the credit rolled in the theater thinking "yeah, that was a movie with aliens in it".

So far, there's been no mention of an android. We gotta have an artificial person.

Oh most def. We need at least a Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2 and a Weyland-Yutani "Bishop" 341-B.

They'll be great in a game. After all, the A/2's always were a bit... twitchy.

you could pay for a android, but not reveal it until a model suffers a "death", in which case it is instead revealed as an android, then starts with new stats as it no longer needs to remain "hidden".

Just skimming through the thread, the note about the Alien from the first movie being a Warrior is pretty inaccurate. It's a drone and is meant to be fully mature within the a matter of hours... "perfect organism". The reason the Warriors look different was due to budget constraints. Cameron wanted to be able to give the distinct impression of a Xenomorph whilst shooting in low light levels. The ridged heads, and general ruggedness of the Aliens Xenomorph was directly influenced by that budget/lighting constraint. This info is set out in the various bonus features in the boxed set that has been available for a number of years.

Aside from that I think we need to see some Wayland Yutani troops, the same guys that turn up at the end of Alien 3
Pictures taken from this blog...
http://www.gavinrothery.com/my-blog/2012/2/5/the-second-best-thing-about-alien-3.html

 Theophony wrote:
you could pay for a android, but not reveal it until a model suffers a "death", in which case it is instead revealed as an android, then starts with new stats as it no longer needs to remain "hidden".

YES! A feature like this would be most welcome. Although if everyone else is a Marine in might be easy to play "spot the artificial person."

Yeah, I suspect both aliens and predators would easily be able to tell synthetics from humans.

Xenomorphic senses are a total mystery AFAIK. But I don't know what kind of heat signature androids produce. In the video games, androids definitely have a distinctive signature.

Also in the videogames (at least the old PC ones...haven't played the more recent two offerings beyond demos) the aliens "see" phermones and that was the justification of why they could see through walls. Whether or not that stays canon for a game a decade later in a completely different medium is another story...

 Theophony wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

So far, there's been no mention of an android. We gotta have an artificial person.

or at least half of one.

Both!!

Why do all the Weyland Yutani guys look like they have angry eyebrows on their helmets?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Why do all the Weyland Yutani guys look like they have angry eyebrows on their helmets?

I am more puzzled as to why they are all wearing padded cloth jackets with mantles over the top.
The angry eyebrows on the helmets look like they are raised little eyehole blockers.

Isn't it all-weather combat gear? As I recall the exterior shots in Alien 3 are all snowy. And yeah, those look like maybe flip-up lenses of some description.

*edit* well... cold-weather gear... you know

They are flip lenses, I imagine the suits were a combination of environmental and also "Xenoproof" to a degree.

They look like fire/bomb suits to me.

They look more like an animal control squad that upped their gear a bit, but it shows how poorly Wayland understand the Alien.

Great analysis, Imposter101. That seems the most reasonable interpretation to me.

From http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Weyland-Yutani_Commando

The Weyland-Yutani Commandos on Fiorina 161 we clad in full-body Apesuit body armor, designed to protect them from Xenomorph attack and the creature's acidic blood in particular. Several of the commandos were armed with M41A Pulse Rifles finished in black, while others carried more rudimentary nooses and snares to help them capture the Runner.

Looking at info. online, they had the nickname "Dog-Catchers" in production notes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Why do all the Weyland Yutani guys look like they have angry eyebrows on their helmets?

I am more puzzled as to why they are all wearing padded cloth jackets with mantles over the top.
The angry eyebrows on the helmets look like they are raised little eyehole blockers.

Maybe they're valhallans? It's apparently cold there in the smelting furnance for them. I think they just decided to go for a certain look they thought was cool without really thinking it through too much... much like the plot for that movie and the effect it would have on the Aliens storyline.

How did Alien3 impact Aliens storyline exactly?

The only major issue I have with the story are the facehuggers getting on board the escape pod. Again, the Queen could have left behind "fail safe" eggs when it stowed away on the drop ship.

Newt & Hicks dying is contentious, but it attempts to bring the genre back to horror. I'd also like to point to Aliens for Ripleys kick in the teeth being that her Daughter is dead because she's been away so long.

Alien3 gets a lot more bad press than it deserves, it is certainly watchable and definitely feels like it belongs in the same universe.

 Medium of Death wrote:
How did Alien3 impact Aliens storyline exactly?

The only major issue I have with the story are the facehuggers getting on board the escape pod. Again, the Queen could have left behind "fail safe" eggs when it stowed away on the drop ship.

Newt & Hicks dying is contentious,

You pretty much answered your own question. Making interesting characters that are fan favorites survive a really good movie and having them die unceremoniously before the next one off screen was definitely not a good idea.

Aliens has a happy ending, in the sense that Ripley's dead daughter is subbed with Newt, she's met Hicks, and they nuked LV-426 and believed they'd killed off the aliens. Everything's wrapped up in a neat little package. Alien 3 tears that gak right up. It's much like the Terminator 2/3 thing. They stopped judgement day, but there was money to be made in a sequel so it happened anyway.

I do thoroughly enjoy the uncut/workprint version of Alien^3. Infinitely superior to the theatrical/producer version.

In my mind the movies go Predator, Predators, Prometheus, Alien, Aliens and that is where they end.

 Medium of Death wrote:
How did Alien3 impact Aliens storyline exactly?

The only major issue I have with the story are the facehuggers getting on board the escape pod. Again, the Queen could have left behind "fail safe" eggs when it stowed away on the drop ship.

Newt & Hicks dying is contentious, but it attempts to bring the genre back to horror. I'd also like to point to Aliens for Ripleys kick in the teeth being that her Daughter is dead because she's been away so long.

Alien3 gets a lot more bad press than it deserves, it is certainly watchable and definitely feels like it belongs in the same universe.

Because people have opinions that differ from yours, and that the tonal shift to some is a bit drastic. It's better than the fourth film but it was a disappointing end to the franchise, and was all in all, unnecessary. Aliens was a fine end, it didn't need continuation.

Also Alien3's production was hellish for Giger and the crew.

 Bull0 wrote:
Aliens has a happy ending, in the sense that Ripley's dead daughter is subbed with Newt, she's met Hicks, and they nuked LV-426 and believed they'd killed off the aliens. Everything's wrapped up in a neat little package. Alien 3 tears that gak right up. It's much like the Terminator 2/3 thing. They stopped judgement day, but there was money to be made in a sequel so it happened anyway.

Aliens: Colonial Marines retconed this :^) . Hicks is alive and breathing. hahahah

I know, it's ridiculous and far-fetched. :(