Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**BrookM**

I do hope we get the boiler and raven from Colonial Marines, those are pretty neat.

**MrMoustaffa**

BrookM wrote:
I do hope we get the boiler and raven from Colonial Marines, those are pretty neat.

What was the name of the one that hunts you in the sewer level? The one with the fethed up face? That would be a cool "Boss" alien to have.

The dying/sick ones were pretty cool when they weren't bugging out too

**Joyboozer**

Every time I read about this I picture a table of minis accompanied by Lance Henrikson on his knees pretending to be a miniature.

**Barzam**

Bull0 wrote:
Aliens has a happy ending, in the sense that Ripley's dead daughter is subbed with Newt, she's met Hicks, and they nuked LV-426 and believed they'd killed off the aliens. Everything's wrapped up in a neat little package. Alien 3 tears that gak right up. It's much like the Terminator 2/3 thing. They stopped judgement day, but there was money to be made in a sequel so it happened anyway.

After finally seeing it a couple years ago, I'm of the impression that Alien 3 would have worked better if they had just changed the characters from Ripley, Hicks, and Newt to new characters. Maybe they were a family that was in cold sleep emigrating from some colony world, had a minor collision with a space hulk type bit of debris with some Xenomorph eggs onboard, one gets on their ship, movie then follows as normal. I bet people would have liked it a lot more if it just hadn't involved existing characters.

Also, I'm surprised at how easily forgotten those Weyland-Yutani commandos are. You almost never see fans of the series mention them, they have not "counts-as" miniatures and they rarely ever show up in photos. Colonial Marines are all anyone ever remembers, but not those guys. I thought that had some pretty interesting uniforms, but we barely get to see them in the movie.

**BrookM**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
BrookM wrote:
I do hope we get the boiler and raven from Colonial Marines, those are pretty neat.

What was the name of the one that hunts you in the sewer level? The one with the fethed up face? That would be a cool "Boss" alien to have.

The dying/sick ones were pretty cool when they weren't bugging out too

That boss alien is the Raven.

"Come on nugget!"

**The Dwarf Wolf**

I will support, weatheaver what my wallet say to me...

**spiralingcadaver**

warboss wrote:

You pretty much answered your own question. Making interesting characters that are fan favorites survive a really good movie and having them die unceremoniously before the next one off screen was definitely not a good idea.

Playing devil's advocate, here, but were they under contract? It might have been the actors causing the problem instead of the story (which would just be a workaround).

That was back in the day when a successful sequel didn't necessarily mean a trilogy, so they may not have thought that far in advance.

**Manchu**

Michael Biehn was under the impression he'd be back for a sequel to Aliens. He was pretty miffed when he heard, through his agent who saw a cast of his "corpse" in an effects shop, that he would not be. The famous story is that the studio wanted to use a picture of him in the movie and he made them pay more for using that picture than he made acting in Aliens.

**Todosi**

Here is a link to the beta rules for Warzone. Looks fairly simple except for the armor save bit.

Pacific wrote:
Multi-quote time!

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/10/28/further-avp-miniatures-information/
: The game will be story driven. It is set between Alien and Aliens and takes inspiration primarily from the Alien and Predator films as opposed to the crossovers.

Excellent news!
The gameplay will be based off the Prodos Games engine used in their other game, Warzone Resurrection.

OK, question for anyone who has this game: Would be really grateful if someone could provide a brief synopsis for how the game functions!

The initial release will be with a boxset ala Space Hulk.
Space Hulk? Talk about things coming full circle..

The initial boxset release will be before the end of 2013 with an initial expansion wave of up to a dozen new models planned for early 2014.

Actually, kind of nice this isn't going to be a KS for a change. Would rather have something like this in my hands sooner, rather than getting 2 for 1 on bulkheads or facehugger eggs and having to wait until next autumn for them to be made! Good for the retailers too, this could be another good seller alongside X-Wing for Xmas.

Prodos will be drawing in elements from the expanded universe so there will be plenty of different Alien/Predator/Colonial Marines/Civilian variants. Look out of an Alien from the old AvP Arcade Game!

Excellent stuff! Can very vaguely remember that game (A Capcom/Final Fight type number right? Were there ever any home versions of it?)

There will be unique “hero” units.

The opportunity to re-create the scenes from either of the first two films will just be too awesome for words..

The license does not include Prometheus.

This doesn't bother me too much.. reading the books (although not sure if this will be continued into the films in future) the Engineers have some mega-type weapons that would make mincemeat of everything, not sure how well they would work!

Phew!

**Bull0**

Manchu wrote:
Michael Biehn was under the impression he'd be back for a sequel to Aliens. He was pretty miffed when he heard, through his agent who saw a cast of his "corpse" in an effects shop, that he would not be.

Ouch.

**judgedoug**

Manchu wrote:
Michael Biehn was under the impression he'd be back for a sequel to Aliens. He was pretty miffed when he heard, through his agent who saw a cast of his "corpse" in an effects shop, that he would not be. The famous story is that the studio wanted to use a picture of him in the movie and he made them pay more for using that picture than he made acting in Aliens.

Sort of; it was that they DID use a picture of him without his authorization, and then he sued them (and made more than his Aliens paycheck in the settlement)

**FarseerAndyMan**

Any real pictures of the game board?
plastic link togethers would be really cool..

**Manchu**

judgedoug wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Michael Biehn was under the impression he'd be back for a sequel to Aliens. He was pretty miffed when he heard, through his agent who saw a cast of his "corpse" in an effects shop, that he would not be. The famous story is that the studio wanted to use a picture of him in the movie and he made them pay more for using that picture than he made acting in Aliens.
Sort of; it was that they DID use a picture of him without his authorization, and then he sued them (and made more than his Aliens paycheck in the settlement)

That's not how he tells it on the latest special features reel. I think he said he threatened to sue for them using his face on the "corpse" and wouldn't accept any amount of money to let them do that. But he took the money for the picture as a screw you to Fox.

**Medium of Death**

It was probably for the ID photo rather than the corpse... the corpse prop was rather gruesome and has no face.

**Pacific**

Manchu wrote:
judgedoug wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Michael Biehn was under the impression he'd be back for a sequel to Aliens. He was pretty miffed when he heard, through his agent who saw a cast of his "corpse" in an effects shop, that he would not be. The famous story is that the studio wanted to use a picture of him in the movie and he made them pay more for using that picture than he made acting in Aliens.
Sort of; it was that they DID use a picture of him without his authorization, and then he sued them (and made more than his Aliens paycheck in the settlement)
That's not how he tells it on the latest special features reel. I think he said he threatened to sue for them using his face on the "corpse" and wouldn't accept any amount of money to let them do that. But he took the money for the picture as a screw you to Fox.

Bearing in mind that the initial scripts drawn up for the 3rd film had both Hicks and Newt, and was set on earth some years after the events of Aliens (Hicks was washed out, Newt in a mental hospital). However, Fox execs got cold feet when they found out that Ripley would not be present in the film, and presumably spent the money they had saved on the expensive future-earth sets on persuading Sigourney Weaver to shave her head.

As usual with this kind of thing: Ah what might have been, and the two-edged sword that is big-studio spending power.

**judgedoug**

Manchu wrote:
judgedoug wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Michael Biehn was under the impression he'd be back for a sequel to Aliens. He was pretty miffed when he heard, through his agent who saw a cast of his "corpse" in an effects shop, that he would not be. The famous story is that the studio wanted to use a picture of him in the movie and he made them pay more for using that picture than he made acting in Aliens.
Sort of; it was that they DID use a picture of him without his authorization, and then he sued them (and made more than his Aliens paycheck in the settlement)
That's not how he tells it on the latest special features reel. I think he said he threatened to sue for them using his face on the "corpse" and wouldn't accept any amount of money to let them do that. But he took the money for the picture as a screw you to Fox.

Drats, that's different than the info on my old Aliens Special Edition Laserdisc box set!
edit - Though now I just read that the Blu Ray anthology features added stuff in from the old Laserdisc releases that were cut out of the 2003 Quadrilogy features plus some new stuff so now I must dedicate a day to rewatching them all

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Pacific wrote:

Bearing in mind that the initial scripts drawn up for the 3rd film had both Hicks and Newt, and was set on earth some years after the events of Aliens (Hicks was washed out, Newt in a mental hospital). However, Fox execs got cold feet when they found out that Ripley would not be present in the film, and presumably spent the money they had saved on the expensive future-earth sets on persuading Sigourney Weaver to shave her head.

As usual with this kind of thing: Ah what might have been, and the two-edged sword that is big-studio spending power.

which initial scripts? There's like a dozen of them

The William Gibson script, Eric Red, David Twohy, Vincent Ward...

**cincydooley**

So do we have any movement on the launch date for this? It could very easily cause me to cancel my Shadows of Brimstone pledge.

**Malika2**

I'm curious what kind of terrain they'll come up with. Really looking forward to seeing the Alien universe expanded!

**MrMoustaffa**

Pacific wrote:
Manchu wrote:
judgedoug wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Michael Biehn was under the impression he'd be back for a sequel to Aliens. He was pretty miffed when he heard, through his agent who saw a cast of his "corpse" in an effects shop, that he would not be. The famous story is that the studio wanted to use a picture of him in the movie and he made them pay more for using that picture than he made acting in Aliens.
Sort of; it was that they DID use a picture of him without his authorization, and then he sued them (and made more than his Aliens paycheck in the settlement)
That's not how he tells it on the latest special features reel. I think he said he threatened to sue for them using his face on the "corpse" and wouldn't accept any amount of money to let them do that. But he took the money for the picture as a screw you to Fox.

Bearing in mind that the initial scripts drawn up for the 3rd film had both Hicks and Newt, and was set on earth some years after the events of Aliens (Hicks was washed out, Newt in a mental hospital). However, Fox execs got cold feet when they found out that Ripley would not be present in the film, and presumably spent the money they had saved on the expensive future-earth sets on persuading Sigourney Weaver to shave her head.

As usual with this kind of thing: Ah what might have been, and the two-edged sword that is big-studio spending power.

Ah ok so it would have been more like the comics then.

Wow that really sucks, I kind of liked the comic that I think Aliens 3 would have been based off.

**DaveC**

cincydooley wrote:
So do we have any movement on the launch date for this? It could very easily cause me to cancel my Shadows of Brimstone pledge.

From what Warzone Resurrection posted last night this is straight to retail before Christmas so no Kiickstarter here.

**cincydooley**

Oh snap. No KS for aliens? Very, very interesting.

**Manchu**

judgedoug wrote:
now I must dedicate a day to rewatching them all

So so worth it. Best special features I've ever seen.

**MrMoustaffa**

cincydooley wrote:
Oh snap. No KS for aliens? Very, very interesting.

It's Aliens, do you really think they would need one?

**BrookM**

Happy to see them not do a KS, hopefully these will be in stores near me around the end of the year.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Also if they went to KS it would probably mean 9-12 months with only the 'small' KS sales

(yes I know they could raise a bundle, but nothing in £ has really done so so far, warzone did £161K, Mierce 2.0 did £138K)

by going direct to retail with a known property they get extra selling time which will be important for a licence which is going to be time limited

(split strategies for Warzone and AvP also means less overall risk for the company)

**DaveC**

Repost from page 20 so people can see where the straight to retail info came from as it's got a bit lost today

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/10/28/further-avp-miniatures-information/
:

The game will be story driven. It is set between Alien and Aliens and takes inspiration primarily from the Alien and Predator films as opposed to the crossovers.
The initial release will be with a boxset ala Space Hulk. The initial boxset release will be before the end of 2013 with an initial expansion wave of up to a dozen new models planned for early 2014.
Prodos will be drawing in elements from the expanded universe so there will be plenty of different Alien/Predator/Colonial Marines/Civilian variants. Look out of an Alien from the old AvP Arcade Game!
The gameplay will be based off the Prodos Games engine used in their other game, Warzone Resurrection.
The game will support solo and multiplayer games. The initial boxset will come with a board for more contained focused play but there is also potential for further open combat.
There will be unique “hero” units.
The license does not include Prometheus.
Prodos will be showing off the game at various game conventions as well as a potential inaugural event to celebrate the release.

**Manchu**

BrookM wrote:
Happy to see them not do a KS, hopefully these will be in stores near me around the end of the year.

Same here on both counts. I think doing a KS for this would be a bit undignified considering the license and maybe stretch credulity.

**warboss**

While I admit that a KS is unlikely with such a quick release, it's not impossible. They could easily do a KS even if the majority of the work is done as both a preorder and marketing tool. That may not be the "correct" reason but it certainly won't be the first time in the industry.

**BDJV**

warboss wrote:
While I admit that a KS is unlikely with such a quick release, it's not impossible. They could easily do a KS even if the majority of the work is done as both a preorder and marketing tool. That may not be the "correct" reason but it certainly won't be the first time in the industry.

It does seem to be the way most companies are using KS. So I would not count it out, until we hear otherwise from Prodos in the announcement on Friday.

**Pacific**

What's the shortest KS to product release time we have seen so far? We've had it confirmed that this is coming in 2013.. even if the KS started tomorrow, that would mean finishing a month before Xmas and trying to get out expanded material to customers within that time-frame.. it hasn't been stated officially, but all the signs point to a non-KS release.

judgedoug wrote:
Pacific wrote:

Bearing in mind that the initial scripts drawn up for the 3rd film had both Hicks and Newt, and was set on earth some years after the events of Aliens (Hicks was washed out, Newt in a mental hospital). However, Fox execs got cold feet when they found out that Ripley would not be present in the film, and presumably spent the money they had saved on the expensive future-earth sets on persuading Sigourney Weaver to shave her head.

As usual with this kind of thing: Ah what might have been, and the two-edged sword that is big-studio spending power.

which initial scripts? There's like a dozen of them The William Gibson script, Eric Red, David Twohy, Vincent Ward...

The good one!

Damn.. I can feel another avatar coming on! But, which to choose?! Alien, Predator, or Marine?!