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We've had the picture already but didn't notice the comment replies. Thanks!

I think this is more proof that communication isn't this company's strong suit - why use nested comment replies to give out important info? Why haven't they updated the first post here? Etc.

Just grabbed this from http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/10/28/further-avp-miniatures-information/

have just been speaking to one of the fantastic guys over at Prodos Games who has kindly provided us with some extra information regarding the upcoming Aliens vs Predator – The Miniature Game:

The game will be story driven. It is set between Alien and Aliens and takes inspiration primarily from the Alien and Predator films as opposed to the crossovers.
The initial release will be with a boxset ala Space Hulk. The initial boxset release will be before the end of 2013 with an initial expansion wave of up to a dozen new models planned for early 2014.
Prodos will be drawing in elements from the expanded universe so there will be plenty of different Alien/Predator/Colonial Marines/Civilian variants. Look out of an Alien from the old AvP Arcade Game!
The gameplay will be based off the Prodos Games engine used in their other game, Warzone Resurrection.
The game will support solo and multiplayer games. The initial boxset will come with a board for more contained focused play but there is also potential for further open combat.
There will be unique “hero” units.
The license does not include Prometheus.
Prodos will be showing off the game at various game conventions as well as a potential inaugural event to celebrate the release.

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Prodos will also be releasing more information (including the price) via their Facebook page over the next 5 or 6 days so keep an eye out. Be sure to Like them and post any questions you have up there. Alternatively please post any questions or comment on our message boards and I’ll be sure to relay them onto Prodos.

Prodos will also be hosting a special event to launch Warzone Resurrection. Those interested in the upcoming AvP game may find this interesting to get a chance to meet the guys over at Prodos, get a feel for their products and the gameplay system AvP will be using.

And besides, KS or not it's AvP and its a miniature game - This means its about having fun, that's its job and its cool...../

That was posted and discussed pages back when it was initially published. We're at the end or even past the "5 or 6 days" it mentions. No harm no foul though.

So, this will still be "released" before the end of the year then?

Those predators look fantastic and the main reason id be backing. Tho I hope my warzone pledge arrives first so I can check out the material.

Very interesting in what the board will be like, considering the ks is for the deluxe edition

 BrookM wrote:
So, this will still be "released" before the end of the year then?

It looks like Prodos was either misquoted or gave out misinformation. They have since said it will not be released by the end of the year. I think it is on an earlier page.

Oh by the way, I noticed something about the Predator picture - there's Predator symbols running below it. Now at first I thought this was just decorative (like the Xenomorph blood on the Alien pictures), but then I remembered the "Hunt the Predator" promotion that was being run at Comic-Con this year. I tracked down that decoder but found that there were different symbols. However, there is another Predator font which the Prodos guys are definitely using, which translates the message to "COMING SOON ON KICKSTARTER". Of course, this isn't new info, but this little revelation could give us new insight in the future...

Interesting. I'd be okay with snagging a base box set (if I can justify the cost) to get things started (Predator, couple of marines, more Aliens, or at least that's the vague ratio I'm assuming we'll see) with the KS helping fund expansions/special editions/limited promotions/etc.

Retailers get to draw people in with the box set, KS gets some bonus funding flowing to expand the lineup and effectively does a little market research at the same time, 2014 is filled with the results. Seems pretty reasonable if that remotely resembles how things may go down in the coming months.

my money is that this will start on KS in the next 48-72hrs

Oh? And just how much money are you willing to put down on this statement? >.>

badgermeister wrote:
my money is that this will start on KS in the next 48-72hrs

How long were we teased with warzone previews before the ks? Personally I was thinking this friday

Disappointed that this is a Kickstarter, although something that had to kind of be expected. The only good thing about these Kickstarters is that for those of us who have backed a lot of them now start to get ones from 12-18 months ago trickle through as you are pledging on this one

Those Predator sculpts look bloody awesome though.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Oh by the way, I noticed something about the Predator picture - there's Predator symbols running below it. Now at first I thought this was just decorative (like the Xenomorph blood on the Alien pictures), but then I remembered the "Hunt the Predator" promotion that was being run at Comic-Con this year. I tracked down that decoder but found that there were different symbols. However, there is another Predator font which the Prodos guys are definitely using, which translates the message to "COMING SOON ON KICKSTARTER". Of course, this isn't new info, but this little revelation could give us new insight in the future...

You sir win 100 internet points!

Hero models? Looking forward to Hicks and a powerloader Ripley!

Game over man! Game over!

I have a personal rule against kickstarters because I know I'll go overboard and end up maxing out a credit card or something.

But an AvP kickstarter is something I think I'll have to get on, if the bonuses are worth it. If we get something like additional Colonial Marines based on the movies or something, I'd have to jump on it. Like, no question.

Surprised to see so many against it being a KS. KS has been great for bringing new stuff to tabletop, and we get much greater value out of it than we do a retail release.

There was talk of tabletop KS dying at retail release, but Dreadball quite a while ago already had 3/4 of it's sales through retail after its very successful KS. Dreamforge Games plastics also seem to be doing well at retail, they're stocked at many places.

AvP being a KS hopefully means the company will be beholden to us than some third party investor only out for money. They still have to deal with the license requirements, but I'm very happy they won't have an investor to please too. Much more likely to be responsive to our feedback. Will have to look into their old KS(s) though to see what the score is with them though.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Hero models? Looking forward to Hicks and a powerloader Ripley!

They said it'll be story driven, so I don't think we'll recognize anyone from the films...but I'll bet someone's in a power loader!

 Yonan wrote:
Surprised to see so many against it being a KS. KS has been great for bringing new stuff to tabletop, and we get much greater value out of it than we do a retail release.

Agreed, I've been flabergasted at this thread for the past 20 pages or so. First all the complaints that the initial alien was too Bio and not enough Mechanical, now this sudden uproar over it being a Kickstarter.

Really? I mean, REALLY?! Of COURSE it's a kickstarter! How could people be even one single bit surprised about that? AvP: a new game by Prodos. Prodos: a new company who's first and only game is a very successful KS. A very successful KS that's timed to finish production right about now. Right about now is when all the info for AvP is being hinted at and teased, with actual hard info to hit...to hit...oh my god, it's gonna hit right after all the game pieces from the first KS are finished! **Dun DUN DUN** Why, it's got all the twists and turns of a Shyamalan movie! What an emotional rollercoaster!

I, for one, am GLAD it's going to kickstarter. Assuming the company can keep close to their projected schedule, KS just makes stuff better. You may get less stuff immediately, but you'll get more of it at launch and it's a better, more complete product when it does finally release. I can't tell you how many great games I've gotten into that died for the sole reason of not having enough stuff out at launch followed by not getting new releases out fast enough to stay relevant and interesting. Look at Wyrd/Malifaux, it took them almost 3 years of releasing figures targeted at collectors/painters before they had a large enough catalog to justify making a miniatures game out of it. It took Infinity almost half a decade to release everything from just the first book, and I believe there's still certain model combos that aren't available. Then again, perhaps this SHOULD have just released through traditional means & it could have been just as successful as Avatars of War has been!

Board games even moreso, since ALL the production costs have to be paid for, up front, before the game is sent to the printers. More copies printed=less cost per game= cheaper retail price, but the company has to be real careful not to produce too many or they'll have ot pay to warehouse the extras, assuming they even have enough money to dump into the game initially. Look at what Dreadball became, and look at the original Dwarf King's hold and ponder this: without a KS then Dreadball would have been ust as crappily produced as DKH and still cost just as much at retail.

KS takes forever and inevitably suffers from further delays, but bottom line is IT JUST MAKES GAMES BETTER.

 Kalamadea wrote:
Assuming the company can keep close to their projected schedule, KS just makes stuff better

That's about the worst assumption you can make with KS -- which handily explains the reaction ITT, no?

 Manchu wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Assuming the company can keep close to their projected schedule, KS just makes stuff better

That's about the worst assumption you can make with KS -- which handily explains the reaction ITT, no?

Nothing wrong if they run late with it. As the rest of Kalamadeas post says, it makes the game better.

I said "close". A delay of a few months or so is pretty much KS standard operating procedure.

Honestly it's not one of the things I'm ever super concerned with when dealing with KS, it's just what happens. I know a lot of people get up in arms about missing projected deadlines, but as long as it's not an extra year and the company is transparent as to why the delays are occuring it's not an issue. i think Prodos handled the first KS pretty well in that regards: late but well informed as to why and new timeframes.

I'm just bemused by the people acting like they were blindsided by the KS announcement, you guys must be REALLY bad at Clue!

I would prefer a standard release, but I'm certainly not shocked to see a KS as that was sorta expected.

In addition to KS vs retailer issues I'd mentioned earlier in the thread; contributing to a KS during the holidays is probably going to be a complete no go for me. Holidays are always tight as there are a lot of expenses I don't have during the rest of the year. Choosing between stuff I likely won't see for a whole year vs buying to cover Christmas seems kinda hard to justify.


The length of arrival time for KS items I've found leeches a lot of the excitement out of the game for me as a lot of new stuff comes out between when you pledge and when stuff arrives. My stuff just finally showed up at the tail end of Oct. Waiting just really drained my interest, which was made worse due to delays and poor communication, which also occured with sedition wars. Honestly zombicide season 2 is probably my last kickstarter that I'll back, it's nice to help fund projects and help get new games made but I feel the experience has really started to dull and I'd rather spend my restricted holiday funds on stuff I don't have to wait ages for.

I was rabid for the first season and tore into the game the minute it arrived and I was super excited when I was pledging for season 2 but I haven't even opened the season 2 stuff as my interest simmered down to a "meh" level.

AVP is a big enough game that it should be able to make it through vendor channels just fine (regardless of the company size), when it does I'll get some at that point. I think the miniatures are great and I'd be completely on board with it if I could pick it up at my FLGS but I'm completely kickstarter-ed out.

 paulson games wrote:
The length of arrival time for KS items I've found leeches a lot of the excitement out of the game for me as a lot of new stuff coems out between when you pledge and when stuff arrives.

This is my largest problem with KS as well. Really my only problem with KS. I've had ones I was extremely excited for at the time but in a very different headspace for when they actually arrived, and even the best of them haven't matched the excitement I had checking in every day while the KS was running. None of the KS showing up at my door were as cool as the FLGS getting in a bunch of brand new boxes & blisters and having the whole shop frenzy on them all at once, playing game after game with models you opened and assembled a half hour before.

Still, I'd much rather have a full game, completely realized and with good production values, over all of that, even if it arrives at a time that's not the best. That frenzy I love so much also sucks REALLY bad when you get caught up in what turns out to be a terrible game, or a game destined to die a quick death from lack of variance. Then you're stuck with hundreds of dollars in models you can no longer use for games you no longer play and nobody is willing to buy from you.

On a note totally unrelated in any way, you people should totally buy my Monsterpocalypse stuff off me. And my AT-43. And my Confrontation. And my MtG cards, my WoW minis, my D&D figs, my Heavy Gear and Malifaux and Flames of War and Axis & Allies minis...I've got some Mechwarrior and Heroclix around here somewhere...

KS allows for hypothetical benefits but it also creates a substantial amount of uncertainty for potential backers, especially for those of us who have not had completely rosy experiences with the platform. Even relatively experienced and well-established companies can easily get in over their head. The gravity of this IP drives reasonable concern on that front. There is also reasonable concern regarding communication, an essential aspect of any successful KS. While Warzone backers seem in the main pleased, that project was fairly contained compared to what the AvP brand might generate.

One reason that folks ITT feel "blindsided," for example, is that diffuse communication led posters to believe the game would actually not be on KS. From what we have surmised more recently, it looks like that was half-right: a "standard" version of the game will come through traditional channels while another will available through KS. At least, that's where things apparently stand today; we'll have to see.

In any event, delays are a very serious concern. The more time that passes between spending money and seeing a return, the greater the likelihood of intervening problems -- and they can be catastrophic as anyone who has backed a good amount of projects can tell you -- that impair or even indefinitely delay delivery. Given what we know about this product (a self-contained, story-driven boxed set skirmish) there doesn't seem a need for crowd funding to get a huge line out quickly. So the idea of doing this with a KS seems to me to needlessly introduce risk.

overtyrant wrote:
Nothing wrong if they run late with it. As the rest of Kalamadeas post says, it makes the game better.

I have to disagree there. Being late does not make a project better as far as I can tell.

I just want to say I agree with the people who said they are hoping that the kickstarter is launch after Christmas. Games and gears gaming boards ran from late nov, to the end of December, and that kickstarter did terrible because of it.

Arguably you could point to other things as being issues that contributed towards it failing, but IMHO the timing was the biggest nail in it's coffin. As it drew closer to Christmas they just couldn't keep any of their backers.

But then how do you account for things like Kingdom Death? It ran completely through Christmas and into January, and it didn't do too shabby!

Holidays certainly didn't seem to stop that game in the end.

Good planning and communication could take Prodos through the season with no problems.

This whole KS thing has caused me to come out of lurking. Only ever posted once and was saving this moment to reveal a project here in the future. But I'm going to support AVP and wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page.

If everyone could shift their attention to Andilus Greatsword's post on pg. 32 (conveniently the last post on the page) and read it, I think all your fears will be alleviated.

I'm not sure who here has been keeping up but it seems a lot of people still think this whole thing will be on KS. It won't be. Only the special edition will be. Be sure to keep up with the info because Prodos doesn't update it efficiently.

Other than that, I'm incredibly excited for this. I might even get both the regular release and KS edition.

How can you KS a product that also has a general release?

 Kalamadea wrote:

On a note totally unrelated in any way, you people should totally buy my Monsterpocalypse stuff off me. And my AT-43. And my Confrontation. And my MtG cards, my WoW minis, my D&D figs, my Heavy Gear and Malifaux and Flames of War and Axis & Allies minis...I've got some Mechwarrior and Heroclix around here somewhere...

PM sent.

Joyboozer wrote:
How can you KS a product that also has a general release?

I imagine the idea is to have more figures in the Special Edition which is the one that is getting KS'd. Remember what they said, before the end of this year they'll release the regular box while next year they will release an expansion. But I believe that in order to get more miniatures out they will use the special edition KS to fund them.

So once the game becomes a proper skirmish game, the extra minis come out as separate kits. The expansion will include more miniatures as well. So we have the regular box set minis, the extra special edition minis and then the future expansion minis. I think this is the route they are going to take since it makes sense and for now leaves few people out in the cold, namely those who want the SE box but will have to wait a bit longer.

It's all conjecture until they confirm but I'd be happy anyway if they went that way.